I'm afraid, guys.
What does this mean?
Hopefully he gets the nomination. He will get creamed in the general once people realize he wants to tax the living shit out of the middle class.
>>70886723
I am indifferent and undecided and I think it is blatantly obvious that Sanders doesn't stand a chance. People show up to these things because they are fun and exciting. But it isn't enough to win an election.
>>70886723
It means in a state of 20 million people in a city of 8 million he got some unemployed and gibmedat people to show up at his rally.
>48,000
has trump ever gotten that amount at one of his rallys?
>>70886887
>b-but it will be worth the free healthcare and free college, man!
>>70886723
Socialism attracts the masses, fortunally the biggest part of the socialist supporters are lazy bums or underage kids who can't vote
>>70887203
Not even close
>>70887724
>48 000
>Half a million
Bernouts math skills everyone.
>>70887203
Yes, also this tweet is less than unsubstantiated.
>>70886723
niggers need jobs not gibs
>>70887915
derp
>>70886723
it means a fuckton of jobless teenagers what to be a part of some "revolution"
>>70886723
Proofs? Sauce? Pics until then its just a tweet.
>>70886887
yeah that typical 250,000-441,000 USD middle-class.
kek
>>70886723
No
Many of them will be unable to vote for him in the primaries. Hillary has NY for sure.
>>70887724
He's going to lose. New York is the great filter of garbage candidates.
>>70886723
If you want to put your money where your mouth is if you bet $100 on Sanders you will get $500 back plus 100. His odds are only 5/1
Yet I don't see many people putting their money where their mouth is.
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/us-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=482040
>>70886887
Hopefully he gets the nomination because he isn't Hillary Clinton.
>>70888159
so it filters garbage candidates which is the reason shillary is going to win?
that's a lot... but not a lot for NYC
>>70888101
dumb bernouts don't account for his monster payroll tax. That's where he's hiding it you fuckin retards
>>70888094
news is saying 11,500
>#NYPD says crowd in #WashingtonSquare more like 11,500: 6500 in park, about 5000 overflow. #BernieSanders #abc7ny
https://twitter.com/JoshEiniger7/status/720429483782729728
>>70886723
he's polling 10+ points behind in nyc.
>>70887203
turmp got 20k in bethpage iinm
Gee whiz, I wonder why
>>70888259
>monster payroll tax
that funds universal healthcare.
kek.
>>70888257
It's pre-debate and he's already drawing crowds that big. This should be a red flag.
>>70886723
haha, no
>>70888486
>missing the point
wew fuckin lad m8
can the SG bros please coordinate an airstrike with their Russian allies on that park? please ? I give an offering of lolis
>>70888486
>moronic sanders people who think he is gonna win
cmon go bet a $1000 if you think he is going to win. You will get $6000 back or $8000 if you bet the NY primary.
Put your money where your mouth is.
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/us-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=482040
>>70888555
Actually, you're the one that missed the point. Universal healthcare may increase the payroll tax, but it'll save most people so much money on insurance that they'll have more in their pockets at the end of the day.
>>70888689
those people won't have any money at all once all the small businesses are fucking rekt by it
>>70886723
Yep. You better believe it
>>70886723
All the homeless are already on the street. They don't count.
>>70888771
By saving them money. And living longer. Retard. Higher median income. A surplus. Drumpf is Bernie only unlike him, with 25 trillion more in debt. You cannot and will not do a Bush Redux
>>70887203
Yes. His Chicago riot/rally had more than that.
>>70888899
>leaf
>valid opinion on America
pick one Justin
>>70888898
It's like reading Peter Cottontail with you Mongs. Not even one crumb of truth or metaphor
>>70888555
please, explain your point.
a payroll tax that's going to have a limited effect on the vast majority of americans is going to help subsidize healthcare. it'll be a net gain for the masses when we're already obligated to be insured.
>>70888771
>everyone in america is a small business owner or relies on a small business for their income
>payroll taxes are going to kill small businesses
wew lad, you're fucked retarded.
>>70888955
The number of times I've read this shit. I voted NDP you fool. Look at his statements on Israel. His campaign team. Nobody likes zionism. Except you. Voting for a fucking illiterate used car salesman
>>70888970
http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/04/pf/taxes/bernie-sanders-taxes/
read this retard
fucking shills
>>70888899
>take money out the pocket of small business owners and limit their investments
>give them healthcare in return
>WERE SAVING YOU MONEY
I can memorize a bunch of occupy economic meme stats about the 1% and promise free stuff too.I should run for office
>>70888899
>Canadian
guess who has no say in any of this. GTFO of our politics already
>>70889079
You spend 10-12 thousand per capita per year to die sooner. Taxes build hospitals. Premiums build band aids. Tort suits explode it. All mandatory. We spend 4500. All in one shot. Bulk pricing like nobody's business. No Jew pays retail. Not good enough for you you Cow? Because you are a Ford Pinto. Have an insolvent bankrupt debt. Or move into the 21st century
>>70886723
It means we might be poor in the near future.
>>70889111
Your ideas made the world a giant spider's web. You've broken the whole damn thing two times now. Almost three now. They are ideas. Debate them if you have brains. What you are trying to do instead is to wipe them away with some kind of prattle technique
>Is Sanders going to be our next president?
Just because people are out there? I don't think that each of those people will absolutely vote for him. I saw some interview from a Bernie supporter who said he liked him, but is voting for Hillary because he doesn't want to waste his vote on Bernie.
Those 48k probably just want to party or think it's the cool thing to do right now
>>70886887
200k+ is not middle class.
>>70886723
>48,000
Cool, yet he still is behind Hillary "literal criminal" Clinton in the total votes. These people love to be a part of some bullshit "movement", but get too high to even figure out where their voting location is.
>>70886723
I bet those 48k people all voted for their state reps and senators and local govt officials
>>70889111
Your an American, you dont have to worry about politics. Just GTFO
>>70886723
>40,000 + at his rallies
>Less than 400 at the polls
Don't worry, they're slacktivists and they don't vote because voting doesn't have a "Share on facebook" button.
>>70888539
Sanders addressed the massive crowd with "How many of you are registered to vote in the Democratic primary"? Dozens of hands went up.
>>70889407
One stupid shill who should have stayed home overrides 50K of others. Nobody says this at the Cro Magnon Drumpf rallies
What's with all the Bernouts here tonight?
Pretty pathetic voting for Bernie desu senpai.
>>70889077
that article said nothing you autist.
it took his proposed tax plan and explained it. that's it.
48k people were NOT there. OP's tweet is a fake
>>70889531
>>70889644
>>70889684
>>70889691
>>70889722
Fuck off. Your vaginas are leaking. I pick me. Good brains
>>70889755
Proof
>>70888259
this
>>70889731
>ignoring the fact that it reduces average take home income by 12k
top shilling m8 you got a couple replies out of me
>>70889835
Go to his twitter. It is either a fake or a deleted tweet
Plus WaPo said it was 27k
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/13/bernie-sanders-rallies-27000-in-manhattan/
>>70888899
The poor who already get free healthcare and barely scrape by will get taxed more and get no new benefits.
gg retard
>>70888689
>implying anything in government works this way
>>70889856
>bernie's tax plan near exclusively affects top 5% of income in the US
>brings up averages
>>70889837
>>70889856
You need to look at the whole picture. It presents savings. Big time. Look up what a median income is. Drumpf wants the spending. But WITH massive tax cuts. He will destroy you and make you Haiti
>>70889954
I don't give a shit. The media can blow me at this point
>>70889525
Shut the fuck up with that bullshit, Obama.
>moved to tears by hordes of leftists
sounds like guy has emotional stability issues
this place holds 88.5k, and we fill it every saturday, in a town of 127.5k
get rekt socialists
>>70889525
>>70888101
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/25/11293258/tax-plan-calculator-2016
try it out yourself
>>70890085
>>70890019
Like a Ph.D. for zero Dollars. Median incomes, nigger. Surpluses. They benefit everybody. Your corporate tax is double ours. Your individual taxes have room to maneuver because your banks fucked you up. Don't take our path
>>70890036
>missing right underneath that were it says middle income families lose 8.3%
wew fuckin laddie you're dumb
>>70887203
I don't think he had rallied in new York
But fuck, a jar of urine could get 50+k in new York
This really isn't special
Can someone explain to me how under $2 a week will pay for my 12 week vacation?
>>70890036
>huge payroll tax
>new tax for healthcare
>only affects the top 5%
>>70888449
good eye m8
everyone look this is the answer
I'm as big a Bernie fan as they come but no shit a huge park by a gigantic liberal university is going to show the fuck up for him
>>70890215
Go down to Uncle Steve's Roadkill emporium and get all the wigs you want for Donald Duckface
>>70889810
Don't get mad at me, I actually vote. Blame the slacktivists that go to rallies and smoke weed but then don't vote at the polls because they voted on facebook and that's good enough, right?
>>70888449
>accepted to nyu
>given 40,000 in scholarships per year plus work study
>would still put me 6 figures in debt by graduation
no wonder they love hernie
>>70890210
everyone's taxes go up
payroll tax affects everyone's wages....
everyone get hosed
government run healthcare will be a disaster
>>70890278
Ok Grampa. Fucken boomer
>>70889407
>probably just want to party
totally this
>>70886723
>48,000 people inspired enough to ask for mor gibs
>in a city of 10 million
>impressive
>>70890182
The presumption is that not everyone is going to take vacation at once so it'll stay self-sufficient.
>>70890323
Why are you dying sooner, paying twice as much or double?
>>70890210
>>70890159
For example, the average woman worker earning the median weekly wage would only need to contribute $1.38 per week (for a total of $72.04 per year) into the program, and even the highest wage earners would have a maximum contribution of $4.36 per week, or $227.40 per year. This means that for around the cost of ONE cup of coffee per week on average we could create a program that will be so beneficial for ourfamilies. The average full time working woman earning the median weekly wage would receive a total of $5,514.48 if she took the full 12 weeks of paid leave.
>>70887203
>>70886723
>NY
jew and SJW central
>>70890344
More than you'll find anywhere
>>70890323
Yes that was my point.
>>70890362
>dying sooner
Not true syrupnigger.
>underage millennials with no jobs from a massive city
>getting big numbers for a gibsmedat candidate
Color me not surprised.
>>70890410
Your lifespan is longer than ours? News to me. The fact manufacturer
>>70890344
Imagine if instead of the Bernie rally they all picked up trash for two hours. That would be impressive.
A man can dream.
>>70890050
He has the only tax plan with a net gain in federal cash for the next several years
Bernie supporters conveniently forget that bernies plan causes a 10% drop in gdp WITHOUT CONSIDERING INVERSION
That 08 "crisis" was a 2 % shrinkage
A recession is simply the absence of growth
Were talking fiscal pain America has never known before
>>70886723
Where is ISIs when you need them
>>70890432
Jealous lying fuck. Fucking slobs. You are worse. No better. Than any of these people
>>70890155
You failed to address my point...
The poor who get free healthcare and still struggle will see their taxes go up and get no new benefits in return.
But hey, averages, fuck the poor!
>>70890443
Cancer survival rates are better here. Fatfucks get heart attacks and die sooner and that skews numbers.
>>70888259
protip
the payroll tax is payed by employers, not employees
>>70890485
Haha I'm 33 my net worth is the same as this dusty old kike.
>>70886723
OMG GUIZ, did you hear Trump had 90,000 people at his last rally. So moving. unbelievable. much politic. Wow.
>>70890371
Isn't this quote only talking about the paid family leave program? That 6.02% payroll tax is a lot more than just a dollar per week.
Sanders is several hundred delegates behind Clinton not even counting superdelegates. Democratic primaries are proportional, meaning even when Sanders wins he generally only gets a handful more delegates than Clinton. When she has such a strong lead, that counts as a win for Clinton.
>>70890455
Explode your debt and food prices. Nobody cares. Educating and not remortgaging for vital services helps the leeches. The corporations. Look up what happened in the South when they kicked out all their migrant workers who aren't a problem anymore. Destroyed themselves. Better tell NYT you don't want a wall again. And "sue" Cruz. Use the Moroccan border as the Mexican
>>70888551
The CIA doesn't even need to waste their time because have you looked at Bernie's health report? it is extremely bad condition and he is near death from his health state so why waste your time when he is going to die the first year in office?
>>70890323
We have drug problems with meth and heroin... people die early from using drugs and skew the average.
Our niggers blasting each other in the ghettos also skew the averages down too.
Our care is better than yours if you don't get addicted to meth or heroin, or get shot in a drive by by Tyrone.
>>70890515
>the payroll tax is payed by employers
>Bernouts really believe this
Because those evil corporations are just going to politely shoulder those costs.
>>70890485
Also stfu and stay on your side of the border. It pisses me off to no end when lib cucks from other countries try and tell me we need this old Marxist kike.
We have drug problems with meth and heroin... people die early from using drugs and skew the average.
>Our niggers blasting each other in the ghettos also skew the averages down too.
Our care is better than yours if you don't get addicted to meth or heroin, or get shot in a drive by by Tyrone.
>>70890595
She's a crook and might still be indicted. Even if she stays Sanders will win everything by huge majorities
>>70890494
Yes I did. You didn't fucking read it. Only what you want to hear
>>70890513
Oops they affected nothing
>>70890571
I don't care
>>70890362
We have drug problems with meth and heroin... people die early from using drugs and skew the average.
Our niggers blasting each other in the ghettos also skew the averages down too.
Our care is better than yours if you don't get addicted to meth or heroin, or get shot in a drive by by Tyrone.
Fucked up replying
>>70886723
a scared republican what a shocker. Go be a good goy and buy another gun.
>>70890515
>confirmed for having never worked a job, ever.
I'm fine with either Bernie or Trump. Bernie's supporters are retarded though, and Trump's are kind of assholes desu.
>>70890680
Go with the zio race mixing crypto kike cocksucker instead when Bernie is barely even jewish and hates zio cucks with a passion. Just what we need
>>70890736
No, you didn't
you retard, the poor get hosed under Bernie
Taxes go up, no new benefits, they are already struggling
gg retard
>>70890116
>employer has to pay tax
>that means you will pay that tax 1:1, in its entirety
>the city of Vox
>>70888101
Imagine being that one family making between 464k and 499k, like "fuck yeah, we rich as fuck but we in that sweet spot where bernie cuts our taxes"
LOL
>>70890325
I'm 21
I just like to vote and have it actually count (I know, corruption jokes aside, you know what I mean.)
>>70890826
I'm going with trump or Cruz? The dems are a side show.
I can handle Clinton because she doesn't want t to pander to the blacklivesmatter terrorists and institute the largest tax increase in American history.
>>70890749
Do something about it rather than destroying everybody through wars on inanimate objects and crying about it later while you blame the victims. You'll get all that scum off the streets and money in their pocket. Either lessen your laws or rehabilitate them
![maxresdefault[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/T5GKCZl.jpg "maxresdefault[2].jpg")
>>70890182
>12 weeks paid vacation during pregnancy
>free abortions
>unlimited paychecks
>>70886723
Hillary has more than two million more votes than Sanders.
Bernie already berned out
>>70890833
>the poor get hosed under bernie
please, explain.
>>70888101
This chart is total bullshit.
Not to mention the fact that he wants to create a national sales tax on par with Europe which could be up to 25%.
>>70890291
>6 figures in debt by graduation
and that's supposed to acceptable?
>>70890874
>I have never worked in my life.
Yes employees pay payroll taxes. That's how it works in practice.
>>70890919
I am doing something....
TRUMP 2016
>>70890443
We have niggers who's genes are inferior.
>>70890736
>She's a crook and might still be indicted.
Laughable.
>Even if she stays Sanders will win everything by huge majorities
What makes you think this?
>>70886723
It means that the economy will continue to recover, maybe there will be some sweeping reforms that newer generations will hail retrospectively like the Brits do with the NHS, and /pol/acks will probably be remembered as bitter old reactionaries with their heads in the ground trying to hold back "cultural erosion" above all else, even as they advocate policies and candidates who want to dismantle the economy and start wars over literally nothing
>>70888955
I think someone's just assblasted that the Leaf is right this time.
And looking all over the thread, you really don't have a leg to stand on. You've got evidence and people countering you all over the place.
>>70890935
There were a lot of heavily-populated, conservative states early on. But the race isn't over and there are some very delegate-heavy states yet to cast their votes. We'll see in June how it all finally played out.
>>70890874
that's how it works, but i wouldn't expect a bernie-friend to understand the real world
>>70890962
This chart is what will easily sink kike boys campaign.
The media has given him a pass they only attack trump and Hillary.
>>70890903
You're throwing away your vote by not voting the winner and/or Bernie. Which is Bernie. So congratulations
>>70890833
>Ph.D's
>not needing to pay any premiums
>use it whenever you want
>I won't sell you this because I need to pay tax
Ok. Don't worry about taxes. Don't worry about them. You either care about the programs. The poor. The debt. Or you don't. Trump. Wants. The. Same. Spending. But also tax cuts. You will cease to exist as a country
>>70890664
how does a business shove the cost onto their employees when their employees are already compensated near or at the minimum wage? How does a business undo legal contracts to cut wages? Explain to me how you think, logistically, a business would pass the cost onto employees they already have.
>>70891015
Clinton is garbage. Go home Soros
>>70890962
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/analysis-senator-bernie-sanderss-tax-proposals/full
>being this fucking retarded
that's the plan, in full.
>>70891194
Of course she's garbage. What does that have to do with anything?
>>70891131
Because minimum wage laws don't take into account taxation retard. You do realize that literally everyone pays into social security right. Even if you make minimum wage.
>>70891131
the middle class doesn't earn minimum wage, and that's who we're talking about, dipshit. you lie and say taxes won't go up unless you make 20,000 a year, and then when you're proved wrong you move the goalposts and say that you won't be able to make less than $15 an hour anyways so it won't matter. get your head out of your ass
>>70891115
I have healthcare I always have there is no problem with the system before Obama care. I don't care about the poor.
Cruz 16
>>70890945
he's going to force rich people to airbnb out their empty rooms. truly visionary, outside-of-the-box thinking
>>70891115
>You're throwing away your vote by not voting the winner and/or Bernie. Which is Bernie. So congratulations
>He still thinks Bernie will win either NY or CA and get the required delegates
>He thinks this DNC plant EVER had a chance of becoming the democratic nomination
stick to your own country's politics, canuckold
>>70890325
I think it's really cute how you're getting so worked up over our campaign. I hope they pay you well for this job
No it will be Donald Trump
>>70890945
They already get free healthcare and can't get by
Raising taxes on them almost 10% will be a giant kick in the nuts when they already can't get by
If the min wage manages to get raised, they go from being behind on everything with gov assistance making the difference to suddenly no longer qualifying for assistance
That also assumes their hours do not get cut by the small business that can't afford 15/hr wages
If the min wage is slowly raised, it won't make a dent in their overall situation.
Bernie will also do nothing about immigration which will only increase with all of the ''''free'''' stuff, this will lead to worse treatment at said min wage job as the supply of labor increases further.
>>70888636
dont worry ill call it in on myself and go out in a blaze of glory
>>70888101
Is this hosted on Reddit?
>>70886723
>Is Sanders going to be our next president?
No, it'll be hillary.
But I would like to see a Sanders/Cruz election. It'd present a very clear ideological difference for people to choose from.
>>70891349
>Raising taxes on them almost 10% will be a giant kick in the nuts when they already can't get by
He's also proposing a $15 minimum wage, so there's that.
>>70890515
Bernouts have never and will never run businesses, it's not in their nature.
You can't fault them for this- they simply don't have what it takes.
It's like getting mad at a dog if it can't understand your calculus homework.
>>70891256
Fight her. Don't make excuses for her to fight me instead. Nonsensical shill whom can't even admit his own ideologies. She is being investigated now, from after her underlings. Nobody wants the broad. Nobody.
>>70888689
Yeah until everyone abuses the fuck out of it and the cost of healthcare skyrockets because of dindu behavior.
>>70886723
48,000 degenerates who wants free shit. Imagine the smell of that gathering.
>>70891458
Wow people have run lemonade stands. How fucking difficult. I can do that on my computer FFS at any point I want. Education is no longer an exclusive club. This is why we shouldn't need to dish out taxes and tuition for them
>>70891048
>Liberals in conservatives aren't real people and should be disenfranchised
I thought liberals were the ones who prided themselves letting everyone have a voice
>>70888486
So you admit that he is going to tax people a huge amount despite the fact that you denied it earlier?
>>70886723
I think Bernie will win New York it's very much possible right?
>>70891490
I support Trump, not Clinton. I'm simply aware that she is the chosen one. She will not be indicted, you'd be surprised how many Death worshiping Americans love her.
>>70891510
Like us? It's simple. You have spent more than double. Our systems have existed in these iterations for as long each as eachother. We spend half. Better outcomes. You spend double. Die sooner. To the guy underneath you? Just give it all to Israel in the form of debt
>>70889111
lol tons of us in border cities beside swing states voted for obama in 2008 and this year a whole new group of university students will do the same for hillary.
>Only 48,000 in the most densely packed liberal kike cuck hipster city in the world
Really not that impressive, at all.
>>70891458
>Bernouts have never and will never run businesses, it's not in their nature.
Aside from all those tech startups, right senpai?
>>70891640
Not a chance, hillary in her worst pollmismbeating him by 10. He can't get more than 41%.
>>70891711
Hello Michigan. Hello Nate Bronze
>>70888689
I can guarantee that there will be rules applied to allow specific types of illnesses to be cared for. I highly doubt it will be free shit all around
Trumpman proposes to eliminate borders around states so that private healthcare is more competitive. He won't try to usurp the pillars of a free market
>>70886723
Better Bernie than Hillary
>>70891043
> Bernie will bring sweeping reforms and be hailed as greatest President ever
> you will all be seen as bitter old reactionaries
You cucks all said the same thing about Obamacare. Fail.
The anti-cuck movement has gained more ground than ever since those days. What are you blathering about?
>>70891233
And his plan shows tax increases on everyone across the board.
> 50 000 people on a single block in Manhattan at the same time
Yeah, that's called a weekday
>>70890974
>>70891099
I don't know what to tell ya famalam, the payroll tax in question is specifically an employer-side payroll tax. Were it an employee side payroll tax you would be correct, but that's not the case
http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-senator-bernie-sanders-s-tax-plan
>Creates a new 6.2 percent employer-side payroll tax on all wages and salaries. This is referred to by the campaign as an “income-based health care premium paid by employers.”
>>70891258
>>70891282
you don't seem to understand, a company can't excise a tax that their given unto an employee. I'm aware that people making minimum wage are taxed, the point is that companies can't lower wages further than the minimum rate to make up for costs incurred by the payroll they must now pay. Its fair to say that that doesn't implicate the middle class, though I'm not so sure why you're so bootyblasted about it
Don't come crying to me because you can't be bothered to do research on the policies beyond Vox's clickbait
>>70891631
>anon makes a false claim about increased taxes on the "middle class"
>bernie's proposed income tax plan doesn't even touch you till you're in the 200,000 annual
>move to the topic of payroll tax
>hurr durr payroll and income tax are the same
shut the fuck up retard.
>>70891664
Just fucking hold your horses until the cattle comes home to roost. Until the fat lady sings. If she stays? Bernie still wins. If Hillary is anointed, he still will have made the best impression and after Drumpf or Klington destroy America, democratic socialism will have gained a real foothold in Murka
>America will become an actual commie country in your life time
>they killed the commies but it was just a ruse in order to infect the clappers
Should have stayed on your fucking continent and lets us deal with the subhumans.
>>70891233
goof lord you are retarded
The 6.6% payroll tax is in that report too
Payroll taxes directly reduce income and are essentially paid by the employee.
From your link:
>Theory and evidence suggest that payroll taxes, whether paid directly by workers or by their employers, reduceworkers’after-tax compensation.Employers would eventually pass on most or all of the costsof the new employer payroll taxesto their workers in the form oflower wages.
Also from your link, add on another .2% payroll tax for both employee and employer.
And the report says Bernie's tax plan will rape investment and kill tons of jobs
>>70886723
Buy stocks in breadlines, then have your assets seized by the government.
>>70891879
>EMPLOYER SIDE PAYROLL TAX
>"REDUCE INCOME FOR THE EMPLOYEE"
>calling other people retarded
>>70891233
Your're an idiot. Sander's has tried to hide it, but when some dogged reporters corner him, he' mumbled under his breath that yes everyone's taxes are going to have to go up a certain rate. If he only sought to tax the wealthy, there is literally no way any of his plans are even remotely sustainable, by any paper measure.
>>70891871
Go create more Israels
>>70891889
Which Republicans haven't been for big government or have had a good economy? Not one. None!
>>70891442
I addressed that
Still hoses the people scraping by now when they lose government assistance
assuming their hours dont get cut
and assuming the boss doesn't fire you and pay manuel 9/hr under the table
>>70891973
Taxes. Or crippling debts that will have you all eating squirrels. Pick one. Because your lord and saviour has already said he wants to blow money like Bernie but without fucken paying for it while depleting revenues. The complete idiot
>>70891821
>the point is that companies can't lower wages further than the minimum rate to make up for costs incurred by the payroll they must now pay
Except that they can and do in practice. This is not a controversial idea at all. Read what this idiot linked >>70891233 or just see the chart I posted. >>70891783 Payroll taxes are payed by employees; period. Businesses pass the cost onto labor.
>>70890215
Cuck
>>70891960
PAYROLL TAXES ARE ESSENTIALLY PAID BY THE EMPLOYEE IN THE FORM OF LOWER WAGES
YOUR FUCKING LINK EVEN SAYS THIS
fucking wew lad
>>70891960
Those weren't his fucking words moron
>>70886723
Trump hinted at holding a rally at Yankee stadium. He'd get at least 50k easy if he did.
>>70891699
>Shit posting and phone banking for Bernie
>a tech startup
>>70886723
All this means is that there are a lot of lib retards in NYC.
>>70891752
Hello Ohio, and the Florida and the South.
Hillary innstates she wins is under polled. I expect her to get a 20 point win.
Also mind your business, worry about Canada
>>70890620
the fabled great depression was a 15% fall in GDP, something even the most optimistic bernie projections come really fucking close to, and those are people trying to make him look good.
you're talking about in arizona? when they were giving immigrants the boot pickers were getting paid 20+ dollars an hour, good, hard working, tax paying citizens. a net gain to society.
it's not like citizens have never filled those jobs before, using illegal labor as part of a strategy is relatively new in the american farming experience, we already tax subsidize the hell out of it, something donald has no intention of stopping.
you keep parroting the "explode your debt" meme, but you're totally ignoring the fact that the only person running today whose budget increases federal revenues AND cuts costs is DONALD J TRUMP.
if raising taxes always amounted to an increase in revenue we would just pay 99.999% income taxes and everything would be free and dandy, but it doesn't fucking work like that, the private sector is immeasurably better at creating wealth.
if we cut corporate taxes right now, all sourced indicate we would be taking a slightly smaller piece of a MUCH MUCH larger pie.
education wise, you act like our federal tax dollars would be paying for ONLY useful degrees, the reality is we would be paying trillions of dollars for women's studies and african tribal drumming lessons, it's women that are enrolled mostly right now and it's women that pick garbage degrees.
>>70891640
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ny/new_york_democratic_presidential_primary-4221.html
Outside of delusional Bernouts, I don't think anyone expects Bernie to win.
>>70891699
The free market has a survival of the fittest strategy, those shit tech startups that are pushed forward by mommy govt will interrupt natural advancement
>>70891853
Um if Clinton wins and the economy crashes we will see the next Reagan revolution.
>>70889810
You're a fucking dumbass if you want Bernie to win. Just by revoking free trade and skilled worker visas he'll put a massive dent in the Canadian economy, and he's so unwilling to compromise on energy that you'll be Argentina-tier within five years. I've done the math on this with the Heckscher-Ohlin model, which tends to model US-Canada trade fairly well.
>>70890404
donald got near that in fucking alabama.
the scaling would make your head explode, there are more people close to bernie's venue in new york than there are in canada period
>>70892246
>>70892265
I'm done. Vote for the upside down star party. I don't give a shit. Destroy the ever living fuck out of yourselves just like we did. After Bush you should have disbanded them. One party name says people in it. The other, "the government". Dems were always for indl rights. Republicans for big stinky elephant beasts. Enjoy!
>>70891853
>this is what delusional bernout leafs actually fucking believe
>>70889525
>unironically liking being poor
>>70889525
>lol he only wants to tax you 90% if you make over $200k
>you're only looking at a 50% tax that's nothing
>>70891853
You're entirely ignorant
>>70891960
>understanding economics this poorly
>not realizing my retardation
>>70886723
>Bernie estimates about 27,000
>faggot on twitter says 48,000
>NYPD says it's actually about 11,000
sounds like some common core shit right here
>>70891755
>there will be rules applied to allow specific types of illnesses to be cared for
>implying this is a bad thing
We've been ruining men's prostates with pointless surgeries, masectomizing women for no good reason, throwing opiates at people like they were advil, pouring enormous sums of money into pointless tests, letting hospitals over charge, etc, etc.
Sanders is 100% right about our health system costing 3 times as much as the UK, 2x as much as france and germany. We're literally wasting 10% of GDP on this shit, it's destroying the national finances, destroying wages, destroying state and local budgets, destroying individuals.
People need to get their heads out of their asses on this.
>>70892446
You're delusional m8
>>70886723
It means all the Pakis and International students at NYU... who can't vote in the NY primary attended his rally...
Plus the NY residents going to NYU probably be bothered to actually vote for Bernie, nor any other college student.
>Yeah man Bernie, he totally gets this generation man
>*lits up joint*
>So yeah, people like... really need to stop thinking socialism is a bad word... you know...
>*smokes up*
>Sweden has socialism man, is Sweden a bad country?
>*exhales*
>shit man, wait... is it primary day?
>*coughs*
>aw well, my one vote wouldn't make much of a difference anyways
>*smokes up*
>*exhales*
>Bernie will just win without my vote, know what I mean.
>>70891832
>he's not going to tax the middle class
>yes he is and here's proof
>that's a different kind of tax then the one I was talking about! It doesn't count! REEEEEE!
Wow, what's it like to be such a faggot?
>>70886723
socialism is immoral but fuck i'd rather have this old evil kike than literally Satan
>>70892446
Shoo shoo leaf. Go get counselling. You have problems, and I recognize your posting style in these threads all the time.
>>70892446
Are you really this fucking dumb? Wanting Sanders to win would actually be terrible for Leafistan from an economic and defense standpoint. I'm so glad you cucks can't vote in our election.
>>70892528
K. Piss off you're all zionist stooges
>>70886723
Sanders will fall apart the moment he has to debate. he hasn't had to debate at all in this election, and he's losing by millions of votes. Also, he's a communist who panders to hormonal college teens for support. It's just not going to work out for him.
go back to plebbit
>>70886887
lol you think conservashit repubs aren't going to tax the shit out of the middle class? nigga shut up
>>70888259
Healthcare payroll tax replaces health plans
>>70892572
Trump is the exact fucking same without any sense in his head
>>70892598
You're probably some buttmad Paki anyways go suck a cock or something
>>70891821
You do realize that what the business pays in payroll taxes is actually what you could've been making as salary.
>>70892541
That greentext is so realistic that it hurts.
>>70892446
>lel voting for a republican, bush was a republcan
donald trump was a democrat at this time and is the polar opposite of bush, to the point where he destroyed his brother.
maybe pic related is more up your ally as far as american politics go, it's alot similar to your other interests.
>>70892086
what you're talking about is a long term economic shift, not something that is directly reflected in one's tax form the following year.
As with Menu Cost, businesses are unable to instantaneously shift new operating costs onto labor. They have to wait for that workforce to quit or they have to layoff the workforce to acquire new workforce at lower wages, and that takes time and additional costs incurred (costs in training, recruiting, logistics, etc).
At best, the cost felt by the Sanders plan is a soft cost, one that is not seen. If we're taking that into account, we should consider the stagnation of wages that has occurred under the current economic platform for the past 30 years. That dwarves any cost truly felt in the long term by the Payroll tax. Once more, it's disingenuous to take that soft cost and present it as a direct raise in taxes you have to pay to the federal government.
>>70892622
K
>>70892657
Lying Zio-Nose
>>70892567
Blow me
>>70892622
Conservatives usually cut taxes, so no.
>>70892655
Yeah, that's why I'm registered to vote Hillary in the NJ primary
>>70892525
Seems like a more careful means of treatment is required rather than a simple restriction, and that brings up more issues than politics can cure
>>70886723
NYC is a libtard/SJW hive, basically the east coast San Francisco. They're the only place that wanted to re-elect that gun grabber faggot Cuomo besides Albany (which is where NYC niggers go to hide when they fuck up in NYC), but they have enough voting power to fuck over the rest of the state. Of course that place is full of bernouts.
It doesn't matter, NY is Shrillary's state, and Bernie will get shafted from the nomination because superdelegates are a thing in the DNC.
They can both get fucked, I'm voting Trump even though the RNC is also planning to fuck him over.
>>70890116
>Some commie kike that appeals to niggers and literal children because HEY ILL GIVE U FREE SHIT XD might literally cost me $7 grand a year
im so mad im so mad im so mad im so mad im so mad im so mad im so mad im so mad im so mad im so mad im so mad im so mad im so fucking pissed off im so fucking pissed off im so fucking pissed off im so fucking pissed off im so fucking pissed off
FUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
>>70892446
Are you an Asian immigrant or something?
You write in these choked-up strings of 3-10 word sentences that make you sound like you're tweaking on coke.
>Do it. I don't fucking care. Go ahead. Vote for Trump, the used car salesman, the fucking joke of the civilized word. Why should I give a shit. You retard. Filth.
I wouldn't be surprised if you were an absolute aspberger with a crippling social handicap.
So assuming this figure is true. How many are of voting age?
>>70892703
>It's not going to happen instantly so it's okay to rape people with taxation
Really? Do you believe Bernie is magically going to raise wages too?
>>70886723
When Bernie gets out jewwed by the DNC and denied the nomination, I hope I can count on you Berniefags to get on the Trump Train. We will need your help in beating Killary.
Now, who's with me?
>>70892446
>dems were always for individual rights
They consistently want to ban other people's 1st and 2nd amendment rights because they get too fucking emotional about shit.
Get real anon.
>>70892816
How the fuck are superdelegates fucking Bernie over? He's down 9 million votes to 6 1/2. He should be losing worse than he is.
>>70891772
>obamacare. FAAILL
Obamacare didn't totally fail, because it made sure that hundreds of thousands of people can make a choice to get basic non-emergency medical care without fear of being unable to pay for it, but it didn't go far enough.
Optional single-payer or at least some kind of NHS is the way to go, and we won't be subsidizing these zombie hospital and insurance corporations that provide shit quality care and coverage to the majority of their users, and semi-ok (but still globally average) care to the upper half, minus the super-rich who get world class treatment either way.
>>70892763
Why do you niggers want more debt? What benefits do tax cuts do? Fuck all. Nobody contributes individually to diddly shit and you know this. Why is Bernie's plans good but along with tax cuts? Is this Africa?
>>70886723
No, he will lose ny. Hillary is peeping for prison anyway. So the dems are doomed.
>>70892884
Probably 60%. Better question is how many are registered as Democrat? I'd dare to say less than 20%.
>>70886723
He won't even get the nomination, hillary will steal it through delegate shenanigans.
>>70892891
Bernie is down by 2 1/2 million votes. He doesn't need the DNC's help to fail.
he stands no chance with superdelegates, and less than that if he were against trump
>>70892994
You dumb piece of shit, he's losing by six and a half million votes
>>70892943
Shut up leaf, you know nothing about US politics. My state has a balanced budget amendment, low taxation and is better run than liberal shitholes like California with lower cost of living and a growing job market. Enjoy weedman.
>>70891600
I'm not saying that people on both sides aren't worth listening to. I'm just commenting that the first lick of states were all very conservative, so they obviously voted for the more conservative candidate. But the remaining states aren't really that way, so it's not going to just continue being a straightforward trend of the same thing we were seeing around the time of Super Tuesday. It's all very much so up in the air.
>>70892893
Like banning weed and masturbation and anal sex. Patriot act. Etc etc etc etc. Good goy
>>70892878
Omg he doesn't like my writing style! Whatever will I do! This has nothing to do with side stepping a debate or facts or anything. Of course not
>>70891989
Who's losing assistance? And it's certainly possible that increased wages will increase demand and thus increase employment.
His program could backfire, but you seem to want to conclude it'll fail. Also he's for immigration reform, for what it's worth.
>>70892226
You don't know much, do you?
>>70892315
And I don't even know what you're talking about. Maybe scale the adderall back a tad.
>>70892763
>cut taxes on the rich, a little kickback to the middle class
>simultaneously increase tax enforcement on the middle class
literally what Bush did. Not even getting into the national debt stuff.
>>70892807
There are some obvious things, like actually studying which treatments are most cost-effective (now we just make sure they are relatively safe and effective), making hospitals and insurance non-profit and restricting executive compensation, and paying doctors for keeping people healthy instead of for procedures, which Obamacare has already started working on.
>>70892905
I'm just saying even if Bernie was on top the superdelegates would lock him out. You are right though, unless he sweeps every primary he will still be way behind.
>>70893063
Holy fuck do you people actually think he's getting more votes? He's down by 2 1/2 million votes.
>>70886723
The problem is, the people supporting him and scared of trump won't fucking vote.
My sister one of those nutjob feminists that flips and bursts into tears at the sight of anything pro-Trump, but is too fucking lazy to register to vote.
She literally believes Trump will destroy the country, gets upset and has an anxiety attack, cries about it, then still won't go to register to vote.
>>70891115
>You either care about the programs. The poor. The debt.
Sander's tax plan in no way whatsoever accounts for the debt, in any capacity. The man can barely find a way to scrimp together the funds to fund is mythic perfectly efficient government program bonanza. His numbers are very much low balled, don't take into account future factors that could affect government program policy, and above all exist only in vague terms. The sticker price is couched on studies (whose validity I will not debate), but these studies make certain implicit assumptions in the workings of the program. Workings that are bound to bogged down by reams and reams of extra legislation sucking the dick of every single senator and House Member in the Congress to get this monumental bill passed.
Also
>I don't want the federal government taxing me for shit I believe detrimental to society as a whole ergo I hate the poor.
If socialism is so guaranteed to work, then why has Sanders not run as governor of his state? Why has he not implemented his policies on a people who are far more receptive to his message than we are? Why is it, that I a man who lives in a state with few regulations and taxes, because I believe in greater personal initiative and freedom over government security, must be FORCED to obey the laws sought out of a what is to be probably 1/4 of the population?
>>70892845
pssst.
Torture a liberal and record it.
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>people legitimately beileve their taxes wont go up
Even if you make less than $10,000 you'll be paying hundreds more under Sanders than any other nominee.
I'll be laughing my ass off when you Sandroids realize DUDE FREE SHIT is literally coming out of your pockets every week to pay for it.
>>70892943
FOR THE HUNDREDTH TIME
IT DOESNT WORK THAT WAY
our corporate taxes are causing businesses to flee, why do you think those "come to toronto" adds boast tax holidays for their first 5 years?
a rising tide lifts all ships.
it's better to have a little piece of a growing economy than a giant piece of nothing.
it's like if i was renting a room from you and a mutual friend of ours offered a lower rent rate, i pay on time, im reasonable, i keep the place tidy, i even found jobs for every member of your family.
would you A offer to match or beat that price (some income is better than none) or B raise your rent to 9 trillion dollars a day?
>>70893026
We need disenfranachized voters on both sides of the aisle to vote against Hillary. Even if Bernie supporters hate Trump, voting for him is still better than electing Hillary.
>>70893063
What's Eric Trump doing in this ad?
>>70893026
>>70893076
Which one is it? 18 gorillion? And why does this matter?
>>70893082
I used to have a picture showing all the states and all the measures. Blue is rich safe and educated with less vices. Red states are methed out cousin fucking hillbillies without two crums to rub together
