Fuck the current education system. How can we fix it to actually prepare students for real life?
>>70858686
>fucking idiots in pic.
No, the i is not an imaginary number. It is an pre defined variable.
>>70858686
At this point it's actually irrelevant.
There's the internet.
And every single teenager that complains about 'school sux and didnt teach real stuff!1!' has a smart phone.
If they really cared they'd googled it.
>>70858686
you can learn about real life in real life. school is about learning how to be useful to other people.
>>70859077
That's what I'm saying. They can teach electronics in high school instead of useless theoretical shit like imaginary numbers.
>>70859327
>>70858686
>>>/kikebook/
>>70859327
>they can
They do if you don't go to some third world shithole school full of idiots that need babysitting.
There is even a push in my local area to have programming taught as an elective language credit in place of spanish/german/etc. Infinitely more useful in my opinion.
>>70858686
>>learning about imaginary numbers in a mandatory high school math class
School is preparation for working life, math class is to filter out retards
a child could balance a checkbook, that's not even worth spending time on.
>>70859457
My wife's son says his school is doing this.
is the square root of negative one really too advanced of a concept for millennials to grasp? It works exactly like you would expect it to.
Later after high school, I was upset they didn't teach lessons on:
Taxes
Mortgages
Investments/banking
Credit
Renting/buying
Insurance
Ect.
Fuck real life.
>>70858686
Your parents should be teaching you how to balance a checkbook at home, moron.
>>70858686
Kill all idiots and focus on the promising children.
>>70858686
>cant see why math is important
dont worry buddy that checkbook isnt gonna balance for you anyway
>>70858686
There was a class in my school you could take where it would teach you how to do shit like this. It was for kids who didn't have reliable parents.
Basically how to be an adult because your parents are crackheads.
>>70858686
>How can we fix it to actually prepare students for real life?
That's what your fucking parents are for.
Mandatory school lays the basic for higher studies, so you can actually be, you know, useful to society.
>>70859629
i is not the square root of -1, the square root function is not defined for negative numbers. It is an algebraic extension of R.
>>70858686
Teacher here
Let kids drop out of school. Lets focus on the students that want to be their fuck the rest
>>70859579
(you)
School is where you are taught the achievements of humanity, the principles of a civilized society, and most importantly the skills you need to contribute your part to both. A school is where you learn how to learn, where you are taught how to teach yourself. It is not a daycare.
Do you need lessons on how to properly wipe your own ass as well?
>>70859674
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>>70860108
>their
>>70859327
If bait, 10/10 because I fell for it. Otherwise kill yourself you dumb polock, imaginary numbers are almost required for anything electronic that isn't baby level electromagnetism.
>>70858686
Our middleschool taught us some basics on mortage and taxes - when one of the students said that's not exam relevant, he just said he's free to skip it.
>>70859327
I teach at a bumfuck 500 student high school, and we offer a full engineering course.
The problem is that the average dumbfuck like in ops pic doesn't take those classes, nor does he realize that learning to balance a checkbook is like a third grade task.
>>70860207
lol I know I caught that right after. That's why I teach orchestra
>not knowing i is important
ln(-1)/π hope you like flipping burgers
>>70859674
School didn't teach me to shave and tie my shoes either, and here I am
>>70860108
>Teacher here
>Lets
>their
Oh dear.
>>70858686
Separate the genders. There's a lot more, but this would go a long way.
>math is useless le taxes meme
Most schools have personal finance as a graduation requirement. It's not fucking hard to balance a checkbook but you might still have problems after you get paid 30k a year with your psychology degree because math is too hard for you.
>>70860153
Good post wafflebro
>>70858686
dont these people realize that people just use turbo tax to do their checkbooks for them?
>>70859327
You're a fucking retard. This "useless theoretical shit" teaches critical thinking, which you clearly lack you fucking street urchin. Just because you're too dense to keep up doesn't mean that it's useless in the real world.
>>70858686
Never understood what people find so hard about Maths. For me it always was the most logical and therefore easiest subject. (Also an indicator for intelligence in my opinion)
Also, whats so hard about understanding that school is supposed to give you a decent general education and not to prepare you for fucking every practical aspect of modern life and the globalized world.
Do this shit on your own, well at least I expect this from every human being interested in self actualization or personal growth.
>be average student
>start working in high school
>work after school, floundered in college
>was never taught how to do taxes, or balance a check book
>figured that shit out with little difficulty
>there are kids right now entering adulthood who are incapable of doing things for themselves
I'm at head of the millenial generation and even most people my age are too coddled to figure shit out. The world is fucking doomed when this generation takes over.
>>70858991
Oh but it is.. It's the square root of -1
>>70860398
>most schools have personal finance...
What the fuck are you talking about? I have never heard of this shit in my life.
>>70858686
>A FUCKING LEAF
holy Shit is it really that hard to fucking teach yourself basic life skills?
There's people who teach themselves nuclear engineering and it's a problem for you to add up a few numbers in your checkbook.
If I was that teacher, that kid would have a new asshole by now
>>70858686
Are you a retard? School is made to prepare us to college. Real life education is supose to be obtained with your friends, family and such. Althoug i agree that we should have education about personal finances and constitution education
>>70858686
>a school should teach you shit your parents are suppose to tell you about
wat
>>70858991
Is the Dutch education system this bad?
Kids have access to the goddamn internet.
If they can't figure out taxes, mortgages, budgeting, etc. then I'm not not sure they can be helped.
Hell, they even have fucking apps that do the work for them.
>>70860038
That's why it's imaginary, seriously look up square root of -1 I've been using it in my degree for the last year now.
>>70858686
How gucking hard is it to balance a checkbook? It's third grade math. If you're learning about imaginary numbers, one would assume you know how to add and subtract. Who wrote this shit, and then went to bed that night feeling all smug?
>>70858686
Fuck I want to punch that idiot in the face. Stupid child thinks he knows it all, yet fails to see how he has already been taught how to balance a checkbook in primary school, since it's just adding and subtracting. He should shit the fuck up and try to learn something instead of actively trying to reach mediocrity.
>go to high school
>practice how to study and think logically
>'but when am I going to study or use logical thinking in the real world?'
>>70858686
Its choice men, nothing else, if you really think that learning about a checkbook is gonna help you more in life than knowing about sqrt(-1), then you shouldnt be there anyway.
The shit comes when 40% of your school time is filled with Filosofy, English, the second language and so on, Dont get me wrong, they are also important but knowing that X autor wrote Y novel and that novel belongs to Z periot is stupid, because at the end of the day you will know something that you can look up in 5 secs, but you wont be able to build an argument or to understand a text/document and this is really the problem with the school system
>>70860560
This, Turbotax™ is a great way to keep your taxes on check and the IRS from getting to you. They have a great customer service. At Turbotax™ you can be sure to have your standards met. Turbotax™ is the best!
>>70860178
Where did the parents learn it from?
FIGHT THE SOURCE
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>>70861119
Yes. It has been incredibly dumbed down over the years. Every other year, some faggot leftist pushes another education reform, lowering the standards even more. I was lucky to graduate when it was still of a more or less acceptable quality (2008) but the only good teachers were all of retirement age by then. The new ones just keep getting worse and worse.
>>70858686
Any kid that gives a shit will excel in the current system by age 10. You can't NOT excel, given motivation and the internet.
As for the rest, fuck 'em. They didn't care enough anyways. Chang or Pajeet will come eat their lunch, tough shit
stop teaching racist history and actually push s.t.e.m at an age early enough to teach these kids something they can remember.
>>70860917
Where would that ever be useful?
>>70861238
>how to study and think logically
In England they don't. They stick you on a conveyor belt and show you what to "study" and that's it.
I wish someone would have told me it really put myself in the correct state of mind when taking exams. When you are studying history what the idiot teacher doesn't tell you is what is history? What do Historians look for? How do they look for it? And to always remember when answering questions you should do it as if you were a historian yourself, you need to throw yourself into the role.
>>70859327
too bad electronics uses complex numbers
>>70861780
>I wish someone would have told me
Why do you need someone to tell you this
Why do you want me to pay tax so that someone call tell you this
go fucking do it yourself
>>70861780
What do they teach you about the War of 1812? Im taking a mandatory History course on US history. For us its usually, "Them brits and indians be giving us troubles, god bless France".
>>70858686
>How can we fix it to actually prepare students for real life?
How is it failing so far?
>hurr durr teach me how to balance a checkbook
Is it so fucking hard to connect to TD EasyWeb(tm) and see if your spending is larger than your earnings? It's easier than ever now that everyone gives receipts for every tiny transaction, and most purchases are on plastic.
>>70861774
Electronics and a lot of stuff involving waves
>>70859629
this
>>70861808
lol. People bitching about having to learn about imaginary numbers are like illiterates complaining about having to learn letters before they can read.
>>70858686
It's more than what you learn in class. It's learning how to work with people in a semi-prefessional environment, mastering new material, work ethic and related habits, time management, responsibility. you're not going to get those things sitting at home on your computer.
>>70861904
Kek. oh fuck off you leaf
>>70859529
>a child could balance a checkbook, that's not even worth spending time on.
And yet, the average Canadian is $80000 in the hole.
What are you gonna do when the credit crunch hits and you don't have the Americans' "muh reserve currency!" ability to make everyone else bail you out?
Canadians are the fucking worst at personal budgeting. I've never seen anything like it.
>People in this thread don't know the difference between an academic education and life skills education.
One is mean't to propel you towards learning critical thinking, abstraction, deep knowledge of society, history, geography, the rules of grammar and the English language etc. Meanwhile the other is about not being an autistic faggot.
>>70861986
I had a choice of studying American history from the Civil right movement to Modern America or Russian history from 1881 to 1953
I didn't want to spend months reading about uppity niggers so I took the Russian course
I don't really know much about early American history brother
>>70861986
I just finished a US history course at a CC
>professor says slavery wasn't about slavery but rather the North and South battling over the future of the West
>North wants land for manufacturing whereas South wants West for agriculture
>says nuking Japan was justified for testing the science of splitting the atom, intimidating Russia and the racial belief that Japs were inferior to Whites
>Cold War wasn't capitalism vs. communism but rather the West trying to resist degenerate theories from ultra-radical Bolsheviks and the East trying to resist Americanization to preserve its traditional cultural practices
>>70858686
Here's a life lesson for you and it's the only thing you need to know:
Everything starts going to shit after your teen years, maybe around 20, 21 years old. And it just keeps going downhill from there. There is no hope, so make the best of this long and crazy, literal Hell hole we call life. I wish learning how to balance a check book was the least of my worries.
>>70862142
>And yet, the average Canadian is $80000 in the hole.
From buying property and other big-ticket items, not day-to-day transactions you fucking dumbass.
>>70858686
School teaches you how to learn and how to think and thats all you really need if you have imagination and entrepreneurship you should figure out the rest on your own. School wont make you smart or rich , but it will make you useful to people who are smart and rich.
>>70862215
Having awful parents shouldn't hinder a persons progression. The state needs to educate children on life where their parents fail to do so. Life isn't all about academic studies.
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>>70860178
>Parents
My parents were unemployed drug addicts who put their bills in my name when I was 12 and told me to "not worry" about paying off hospital bills because "everyone has bad credit."
Schools need to teach basic life skills because a lot of baby boomers were too busy getting fucked up and cheating on each other to learn them. Just because imaginary numbers are an easy concept, that doesn't mean it's more useful than basic personal finance.
>>70862576
It gets even more boring every day doesnt it ?
>>70861515
Experience dumbass
Its not hard at all and you'll figure out a strategy for yourself. It's called thinking
You can't rely on the government to teach you everything, either.
>>70862576
In case you've been wondering what they look like, this is a JIDF shill. Swallow all the redpills you can find and evolve to god tier.
Well from starters explaining the practical uses of imaginary numbers might help them respect what they're learning.
>>70858686
Early education is for learning basic skills and also teaching people how to learn new skills quickly.
>>70859327
Did you specifically choose the field that uses complex numbers the most outside of pure math?
>>70859674
School is a state indoctrination center to brainwash youth into being slaves.
If everyone knew how to properly do taxes and not go into debt, the jews would never make money.
>>70863095
As I said, my school had that. I actually attended the class. They taught you how to do all sorts of shit. Simple shit my drunk dad never taught me. How to write a check, the dangers of credit cards, how to write a resume, how to get an apartment. It was an elective class you could take, kind of like woodshop or a cooking class. Both classes I attended as well.
Now I'm just waiting for my dad to get old so I can put him in a nursing home because that's his biggest fear. Cocksucker.
>>70859327
actually not bad b8 7/10
>>70858686
If you don't know how to make that kind of knowledge come in handy then you don't deserve to be educated.
>>70858686
>balancing a checkbook
What is it with amerilards and their renaissance banking? In about 50 years maybe you'll invent online banking and money transfers.
>>70863531
Well, it would be great if all taxes were like a 1040, but I don't think the jews are going to give up their billion page tax code for claiming deductions without a fight.
TurboKike works alright but you still have to pay them.
>>70859327
Dude what kind of high school did you go to? I've been out of school for a while, and there was your mandatory classes like English, History/Social Studies, Math and Science. Each year the classes would level up. Science started in grade nine as Earth Science talking about volcanoes and tornadoes and shit. Then it was Biology, then Chemistry then Physics.
But then we had a shit ton of elective classes you could choose from. Myself I attended Computer Programing, JAVA, HTML, cooking, woodshop, media literacy (understanding how demographics and the media works), an extra gym class, intro to electronics (then after that you could take Networking), CAD.
I wasn't even an overachiever.
>>70861774
It allows you to manipulate trig functions without nasty trig identities, Australia.
>>70858686
(-1)^(1/2) is the only real imaginary number, its a pretty simple concept for what anyone outside of pure mathematics needs it for.
Balancing a checkbook is something you can teach yourself or use a cursory google search to learn.
I think my generation is overrepresented by these whiny idiots but goddamn, its not that hard to learn most things about life in this age.
I taught myself a whole course of circuits at a good engineering school because I couldnt understand the professor.
READ A BOOK NIGGER
>>70862736
oh look, a british flag...
>>70859674
They taught all of that in my Government class.
>>70864875
>real imaginary number
>american students literally HOL UP their teachers
Such disrespect.
>mfw im 25 and dont even know what a checkbook is
Am i missing out, guys?
WHY DOESNT SCHOOL TEACH BASIC ECONOMIC AND PERSONAL VALUES
THEY JUST WANT TO TELL US ABOUT PLANT CELLS AND ANYTHING MILDLY ABSTRACT THAT COULD LEAD TO SERIOUS CAREER AND SHIT
>>70860153
implying they teach this
>>70860038
i is the root of x^2 + 1 when considering C as the extension field R / <x^2 + 1>, as i^2 = -1. So i is the square root of -1. Don't be pedantic.
Piss off ya whiny cunt
>>70858686
>Fuck the current education system. How can we fix it to actually prepare students for real life?
tfw... fractals
>>70859909
And how many crackbabies were in the class? My guess is in the zero range.
>>70859327
You need imaginary numbers for that faggot how can you calculate capacitive load.
>>70858686
>gay musical show
>making fun of math
Canada seldom disappoints.
That being said, does the average person need to know calculus? Probably not. Would it help society? Probably. Should we fail kids because they can't/don't want to learn high-level math. No. An education system that fails to create functioning members of society and instead makes them drop out and get themselves put in prison isn't a good system. It would help if people still had fathers and the burden wasn't mostly on the government to educate and provide guidance to children.
Also, remove pic related.
didn't read anything in this but
>who balances a checkbook these days? are you 70? we have computers, online banking.
and
>even if you did need to, school is supposed to teach you the general logical thinking skills that you could be handed a checkbook and be able to figure it out yourself
>>70862142
Alright here's your big lesson.
Don't spend money you don't have, or won't have when it's time to pay. This is based on two variables known as INCOME and SAVINGS.
Let me know if you need more clarity.
>>70861780
They emphasize critical thinking in leaf country but it's just as bad in practice, desu.
>>70865390
1. They do, I had to take macroeconomics in high school.
2. Oh boy, 'personal values'. Lets put even MORE cultural marxist indoctrination into our schools!
>Teach me to balance a check book.
>Not realising he was taught all the maths he needed for that 10 years before high school.
>>70858686
>Balancing your checkbook
That's low level math/econ.
>>70866119
>critical thinking
>The study of being how to turn everything about western civilization and history into a whiny rant about oppression
i is bullshit it make no geometrical sense
>>70866341
>critical thinking
Kek, I just assumed that said critical theory for some reason.
>>70861774
Does anything but shit come from Australia? I don't think I've ever seen anything of quality from one of your kind.
>>70858686
Stop telling them their feelings matter
How to spot a pleb/someone who will never succeed in life:
1. They diss pure knowledge
That's all it takes folks.
>>70865297
nope, not at fucking all
>>70858991
Hahahaha ho lee fuk. Lrn to math fuckin yuropoors.
>implying you need anything other than addition and subtraction to balance a checkbook
>implying the vast majority of "grown up" duties aren't brain dead easy
My parents didn't even teach me most of the stuff you have to do as an adult. I literally just googled whatever it was I needed to do. I need to buy a car/open a bank account/pay a bill/rent an apartment? thank god i just type that into google and the first couple of results will give me better information than my parents could pull from the top of their head.
>>70860108
Fucking teachers unions = cancer
if he needs someone to teach him how a checkbook works, maybe he really is better off learning about unicorns.
>>70859327
>>70866078
OK, but I've got a letter from a credit card company here that says that I can actually spend more than I have, and they'll cover it as long as I give them a tiny fraction of the cost each month.
You're preaching to the choir as to how simple this is, but somehow consumer debt is a massive industry that literally enslaves huge parts of the population. Voluntarily. So there must be some sort of educational gap here.
My guess is even if you have a class whose entire curriculum is "income - expense = savings", it'd help because people will know something's fishy about the banks' and lenders' claims.
>>70858686
>balance a checkbook
are you fucking kidding me, nobody writes cheques anymore.
why is the cunt making this image arguing for the replacement of a useful skill like algebra with a useless technique like balancing a checkbook?
Does this faggot think we ought to be learning how to repair typewriters and operate hand-cranked elevators too?
>le balance a checkbook meme
Easiest way to spot an immature underachiever is when they pretend that high school isn't quenching their thirst for knowledge in the IMPORTANT things in life, like balancing a checkbook. Millennials don't even use checks, they're outdated like phone books. Besides, if you really want to learn, all it takes is Google and 20 minutes of spare time that you usually dedicate to jacking off. So I don't know where this idea came from that kids aren't prepared for the real world because they can't balance a checkbook. That generation is fucked for a lot of reasons but that isn't one
>>70858991
>american education
wait... WHAT?
>>70858686
school doesnt teach you how to do shit you should be responsible enough to learn about in your free time
school is there to weed out the retards who are incapable of learning
>>70858686
>imaginary numbers
It's your own damn fault for not being dead last in education worldwide.
>>70858686
if you can't balance a checkbook, you're literally retarded
>>70858686
STEM is important, you retarded cuck
>>70859327
> imaginary numbers arise when dealing with RLC circuits.
> RLC circuits taught in E&M.
> Need E&M to understand electronics
>>70858686
It was preparing you for real life, but people keep saying BUT MUH MATHEMATICS HOW DUZ DIS HALP ME.
Education may not seem entirely practical but its about learning how to use your brain.
Ever watch videos of public speakers from the 50s and 60s? If they're english, they were probably made to learn latin, a dead language, and a bunch of shakespeare completely by rote, etc... how does that prepare them for real life, you say?
It just makes connections in the brain. You can't understand your "job" properly if you don't understand more basic concepts.
>>70868105
yes it does, school very well teaches you how to balance your check book and many other real life lessons, maybe they should go to a real school instead of private schools.
>>70859327
I'm doing EE and it's kinda necessary for that. I fucking hate you people. Why is this thread becoming a reoccurring trend on here? Either way, I have a song for you. How does make you feel to know you are on the level of this cunt?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xe6nLVXEC0
>>70859327
>imaginary numbers
>useless theoretical shit
LaughingMathematician.jpg
Imaginary numbers is fundamentally, the Z axis, retard
>>70859327
And regarding imaginary numbers.
It's important to teach people how to think about and learn abstract concepts. Again, its not about teaching "useful knowledge", but "how to gain useful knowledge".
If we just train you from age 5 to be a plumber , you're going to be rather dull and inflexible.
Additionally, I'm assuming you have SOME understanding of imaginary numbers, right? Have you ever spoken to people from countries that have no formal education system? Noted how they think, how focused they get on concrete ideas? Say thank you, teacher.
>>70858686
>AY YO HOL
>y u be teachin maths n shiet?
>aint no nigga evah hustle wit no maffs
As fucked up as our education system is, these kinds of morons are the reason Bernie is even on the ballot. Education is meant to provide you with the TOOLS to achieve success, not guarantee it the minute you and everyone else with a pulse is handed their diploma. The fact that people even feel entitled to an education at all is baffling.
Believe it or not, there was a time when if you wanted to know something, you actually had to go out and research it in a library. No internet, no smartphone to instantly access the largest repository of knowledge in human history. At the touch of your fingers and more importantly FOR FREE*. But God forbid students today show any kind of agency in building their own future instead of following whatever plan Ms.Golbergstein in counseling has already laid out for them.
Just some basic life skills
• Critical thinking and reasoning. Encouraging people to be able to recognize other's points of views, thinking with their head before major decisions.
• Personal finance (i.e budgeting, mortgages, loans, the power of compound interest)
• Music and Arts. Creativity is something that should be encouraged. Learning how to play a musical instrument is really good for your brain.
• Computer programming. It can be tied in with Maths when applying some functions and formulas. A bit of recursion, loops, functions. Not any GUI shit.
• Basic cooking skills (cooking different types of meats, pasta, rice, vegetables etc)
I know a lot of you are going to say parents should be teaching their children this, but most of this personally I had to learn myself the hard way.
>>70858686
MATHs are there to teach you how to think logically and critically. It isn't all about the practical application of functions and formulas.
>>70860917
No, it squares to -1. -1 has two square roots actually, i and -i. But it is also a variable, in the sense that the complex plane is isomorphic to the real plane as an algebraic object. You just have a different multiplication.
>>70858686
try solving x^2+1=0 without imaginary numbers, leafnigger
>>70861515
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>>70862736
That doesn't mean that everybody should be subject to easy-as-fuck-to-learn classes. If you're that retarded sure go ahead learn it, but you don't have to drag everybody down. Anybody with a brain can look up info on the internet. It's like giving cooking classes because parents only serve McDonalds.
>>70858686
>not liking math
You fucking people.
>>70868842
What no, its not. Did you even pass highschool math? It's just a different field (look it up) to use as a scalar for your algebraic structure (such as a vector space, like the complex plane).
>>70858686
If you aspire to never use complex knowledge in your life you are unprepared to simply be alive. You can learn to use a shovel on your own fucking time you cretinous little fuck.
>teacher here
>>70858686
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxxiS4m9OSg
>>70861774
Imaginary numbers are used in lots of mathematical principles. Electrical engineering in particular makes significant use of them. All your vidja and computers were made thanks to them. I know math is hard for aussies though.
>>70858991
Jij bent kanker dom
>>70861774
>>70869994
It is also quite helpful to solve a lot of problems in mathematics which have pratical applications, like differential equations or in fourier analysis. You also need them a lot in quantummechanics, which is where a lot of current reserach in physics is being done.
>>70869360
No. Basic life skills are the job of the parent.
School is about making a person useful to the labour/ work market.
Critical thinking is so important that if you know how to do that, things like "personal finance" become something you can quickly calculate.
>>70865209
Yeah thats what im saying, how did you guys miss this?
I do think there should be classes on teaching high schoolers how to do basic grown up shit because nobody wants to deal with grown people who don't know how to do grown people shit.
Maybe teach a class on ethics in the workplace too because honestly nobody wants to work with grown people who act like they're still in high school. All of that he-said, she-said gets tiring really fast. If you're 30+ and a general manager, you shouldn't be crying a little babby because you had to work an extra hour.
Make it mandatory too along with the other math and sciences shit
I think America is perma fucked in term of education if you ask me. Besides their education system being a global joke, the teachers union is one of the biggest (if not the biggest I think) is America isn't it? Am I correct in assuming that this fuckers don't take any type of change well?
>using i
>not using j
Seems lots of people got triggered
>>70859629
heh not really :^) tip fedora
there are some slight technicalities that aren't necessarily mentioned basic math curriculum in high school like sqrt((-1)(-1)) =/= 1
>>70870311
Do you want school to teach you how to wipe your ass, too? Because the same as learning how to balance a fucking checkbook, that's also your parents' job
>>70868627
Anybody with half a fuck's-worth of knowledge about circuitry knows that imaginary numbers are absolutely necessary, so thanks for pointing that out to the plebs.
OP,
The word "imaginary" has a different meaning in mathematics compared to normal usage. It is not literally an arbitrarily 'imagined' number -- it is a complex number, outside of the set of real numbers. It is a unique type of number and not even remotely similar to an imaginary, mythological beast.
The guy talking about education giving the tools for success and not the motivation and the capacity is absolutely correct.
>>70869195
It's particularly aggravating when schools that haven't gone to complete shit actually do offer courses in econ 101 and financial literacy, government, and general life skills yet nobody takes them. They take bullshit like P.E., critical thinking, or whatever else because "they're easy As." They're the same idiots going to college for polsci or philosophy and wondering why they're not getting anywhere in life.
>>70868842
>Imaginary numbers is fundamentally, the Z axis, retard
Nice sentence, retard.
I'm in high school, when I first got here about four years ago I hadn't taken the red pill, but now, guess what? I haven't even taken trigonometry yet and I'm teaching myself FUCKING FOURIER TRANSFORMS AND LINEAR ALGEBRA AND I LOL AT MY PLEB PEERS AH HAHAHAHA FAGGOTS!!!
The point is, if you want something taught right, teach it yourself. Rhetoric and Arguing should be fucking drilled into student heads long before any maths or economics. It's called common-sense, and it isn't very common.
>>70870706
How does knowing that sqrt(-1) = i help me plug rubber coated wires into a breadboard and o-scope and build a phase-locked-loop for a DIY synth?
>>70870926
He's just missing a comma after "is"; it's not that bad.
>>70871320
>I'm in high school
MODS
>>70871535
>There are no 18 year olds in high-school
>about four years ago
>reading comprehension
>A FUCKING LEAF
>>70871479
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://scipp.ucsc.edu/~johnson/phys160/ComplexNumbers.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiD1fWH3YzMAhVL0GMKHYaNDjYQFggkMAI&usg=AFQjCNG8BDhYOVbTFMdAUOeyvFrdYow2fQ
I'm talking about the design side.
>>70860780
This.
I don't know what else people in these threads wanted to learn in school.
You have Language to learn how to talk and write, Math to be logic and not be a retard, Geography and History to know how other people came to be, what they do and how they got there. Physical Education so you don't end up like a murican fatso stuck inside your house.
What else these people want? How to masturbate or how to cross the street?
>>70868842
Try to do an integral in complex plane and see if that works out as a Z axis you fucking moron.
>>70870567
It would do no harm in teaching them these things in school and offering them as classes. it would only help to improve a youth's ability to perform out in the real world.
What if their parents are immigrants who just came over from a different country and they themselves don't know how to do it? Then the parents would be unable to teach their children how its done.
High schools should be more than just about learning mathematics and proper grammar. At worst, it would be just another high school class that they'll forget about, and at best it would give them proper everyday skills.
>>70866741
This, basically. The number of hours I wasted on stupid HS courses which taught only what you should just learn at home by being a non-braindead human bean (and probably already did), is astonishing. Mind you, this was on the highest possible level of public HS possible in the Netherlands and with a STEM-oriented course package. We went from differential equations one hour to literally making a paper maché shoe the other. There were something like 7-10 obligatory courses over the 6y of HS which were absolutely useless, yet the school could not abolish because these curricula were state-sanctioned. In retrospect, I would have killed for 3-4 hours of extra mathematics, physics or Latin in stead of that propagandistic bullshit. One of the worst was 'Maatschappijleer' ('Societal studies'), which basically consisted of 'leftism good, rightism bad' for a whole year.
>>70861577
Oh really? I had no idea shit like this was going on. I guess otherwise the muzzies can't keep up? Class of 2002.
>>70858686
Really? Cause I'm mad that they don't force everyone to take at least calculus
Fucking liberal arts faggots go on to college and can barely do math
>>70858686
Should that faggot in the picture know basic arithmetic at his age?
>>70872197
Calculus isn't needed for most people.
They need to solve for x more so than they need to play with jigsaw puzzle math.
>>70867342
It doesn't matter, if you teach people not to go into debt, the credit card companies will sell you investments instead, that's not really debt, that's making money!
Just like goldman sachs did for Greece in 2006. Greece wasn't allowed to borrow more money due to EU rules and the risk it would bring. So Goldman bought all the income from road-taxes for 10 years for a lump sum. Because selling future income totally isn't the same as borrowing more. I wonder why they were unable to pay debt, gee.
>>70872089
Unfortunately, you're not even wrong. Even in my days, there was talk in the government about changes in curriculum because it would be unfair to non-native Dutch speakers. My school was christian and only had Havo, Vwo and Gymnasium, so there were relatively few mussels. There was this one Afghan kid, he was always praised by the leftist teachers for, well, being in school whilst being Afghan I guess. He was expelled after he stole mobile phones during physical education. Unfortunately, after a couple of years, the school merged with a VMBO school and it became basically Calais. It went to utter shit and that was very sad because it used to be a very good school. Luckily this happened not very long before I graduated.
>>70858686
school is for professional purposes not for life help a check book is not a matter of importance STEM fields are
why can't liberals realise that human science is the most useless thing ever?
>>70872057
Not as bad as "algemene natuurwetenschappen" or "general nature studies". This was I guess the history of science or some shit? There was a chapter that we had to tear from our book. It went something like:
>The universe is chaotic and entropic
>this chaos orders itself on the earth and we create more order from the chaos
>yet we also create more chaos on this earth
>we're like whirlpools of chaos creating order around us in a chaotic universe
>>70871479
If you want to make anything that isn't from a kit, you need complex math.
>>70859327
I'd have nightmares if this wasn't b8.
>>70873191
Sure, I remember ANW, that was where we had to make that stupid paper maché shoe. It was basically just all sorts of science stuffed into one course but with all the actual science taken out. So for example you'd learn about atoms (gee, never heard about them during Chemistry and Physics), but not how to do calculations on them, just that they exist and have protons, neutrons and electrons.
>>70872854
My parents spent quite a bit of money to get my older brother on the nicest school with the best facilities and about the only school with reasonably good computers.
It was in kanaleneiland. For non dutchies, a kind of little morocco. It didn't help that my brother had dark curly hair. He was a real nigger during his school years and two years after. I could write a book about his crimes that I witnessed.
I've taught at a lot of different schools the last year and the five shittiest ones, four had over 60% muslim classes, one pure white but dumb as rocks.
Of the five best, they were all 80+% white.
Except the very best school. The classes were small, the teachers organised and good contact with kids. A lot of mutual trust. Happiness. A place of learning.
It was an orthodox jewish school. The police came up to me each time I came close to the school and I had to identify myself.
That's when I started reading about pol and the holocaust.
>>70858686
someone post this on /sci/ and post results
School is made for kids to learn what they might want to do as a job in regards to academia. That's why every course is an introductory course for math (statistics, algebra, geometry, calculus), science (biology, chemistry, geology), history (american, european, african, asian), and whatever arts the kids are interested in. Sure many of those kids won't give a shit about the quadratic formula, but some will and want to pursue mathematics or engineering as their career. To not even introduce these topics just because most people won't is dumb because now no one will be interested in any of these subjects if you don't teach them it. Checkbooks, loans, and that type of shit is for your parents to teach you. School is essentially 'introduction to academia'.
>>70873860
There's actually a lot of value in learning the history of science. If you go through each discovery as humans did in the past, chronologically, then you start to understand the scientific method and process far better than learning the end result of giants building on giants.
But no, this was just meant for non-science people to get science people.
>>70874089
why spend money introducing someone to academia who has no interest in it though? imo kids should have to pass an entrance test to go to an academic highschool, and otherwise go to a vocational highschool. being allowed to opt out of the academic highschool even if they pass as well. vocational highschool could probably just be 2 years long too
>>70860917
i is the square root of any negative number
i is equal to i
i^2 is equal to -1
i^3 = -i
i^4 = 1
>>70859674
This exactly. How do you rent an apartment????
>>70874089
True and since kids will try anything to get out of things you have to lay down the law and make em do things they don't like, which means can cause both the basis of an adversarial relationship and makes your kid brain go overdrive about how useless it is.
>>70860909
Shhh, we're getting skipped over. (Spoiler)
>>70861217
U just made sense. How much money do you have? How much did you spend? Boom. Balanced.
>>70859327
Good luck trying to get into electronics without basic math knowledge
>>70874233
True, but I think scientific history could be taught during History and/or the respective courses like Physics or Mathematics. Actually, most books and teachers have quite a lot of background with each subject and it has indeed helped me to remember a lot of things. I will probably never forget Mendeleev invented the periodic table and stuff like that.
>>70861986
They don't.
GCSE History is literally
>anglo-saxons, vikings, normans
>holocaust
>anglo-saxons
>first world war
>anglo-saxons, vikings, normans
>holocaust
>second world war
>holocaust
>holocaust
In AS/A2 in 2008-2010 my class did an experimental series of modules in historiography which consisted of:
>the olympics
>specifically, the Nazi German ones
>and the Munich Massacre
>and the Holocaust for good measure
and second year
>second world war
>holocaust
>holocaust
The concept of saving is something that really horrifies me since most of my friends are in debt and haven't bothered having at least $1k+ long term savings.
>>70860398
never heard of that.
>>70872197
calculus is garbage. mastering your basic geometry, trig, arithmetic, and algebra is soo much more useful. hell probability and statistics has more applications than calculus for most people.
>>70858686
Why did he take a calculus class if he isn't going into STEM?
the western school system is fucked for multiple reasons. My parents were/are teachers and I have had an inside view of the system for about 20+ years now.
The biggest problem with the system is actually outside of it. People like to blame teachers or the government or the cariciulm but the honest truth is that current public schools are used as little more than a day care center for children ages 5 to 18.
Parents work 9-5 and need a place to put their runts while they work. The majority of these parents really don't care how their children do in school and in cases of areas that are riddled with gang culture often actively encourage kids to fail or try to get themselves thrown out of the system.
You want to fix public schools? Fix parents first
>>70860108
Hope you're not an English teacher friendo
>>70869916
That is literally what he's implying.
C is just another 3d vector space with a different multiplication than the standard one in R3, so it's l i t e r a l l y like gluing another axis to R2 and giving it a fancy fucking name.
>>70877286
But to fix parents we need to fix schools....
>>70878142
Shit, replace all those 3s with 2s, I'm fucking drunk
Don't tell my professors I posted that they'll kick me out of school
>>70871901
>talking about integrals like they're meaningful when trying to define the field you're integrating over
Jesus fucking christ you guys are an embarassment when you try to talkk maths
>>70865650
>pedantic
>posts high-school justification for what is essentially a definition
He was technically correct, which is the only kind of correct. get fucgged
>>70858686
Why is it the education systems job to prep students?
That's up to the parents, and the pupil him/herself
High Schools should have a class like this
Instead of 2 years of French or Spanish I'll never use anyways why not this important shit?
>>70860398
Found the student. As if mentioning a checkbook wasn't a dead giveaway.
Remove kebab
>>70878300
You should check out a pol-centric technology thread for maximum cringe, or literally any discussion about dimensions for that matter.
>>70878596
>2 years of spanish I'll never use anyway
>flag
Sure thing Bobby :^)
>>70858686
Stop forcing kids to go to school.
The ones who don't want to be there are a drain on it and screw everything up for those who do.
I've been saying this since I moved to an urban environment in 4th grade.
>>70874418
Why dont u go ask an estate agent
Imaginary Numbers aren't one dimensional numeric values, they are two dimensional, just like complex numbers.
The Imaginary Number i is the graph point (0, 1), because the tangent of this point is undefined (y/x - 1/0, undefined) So when you're presenting a point on a graph as a complex number, you need to present it as xj + yi (where i is the point (0,1) and j is the point (1,0)). This is all very important when you're dealing with Vectors (and if you should know that Almost all mechanical engineering has to do with Vectors)
so imaginary number i is very important to any and all 2 dimensional math.
>>70861774
Harmonic oscillation
>>70878525
Socialism has taught people that government is there for you and thus if something bad happens to you its the governments fault.
>>70879021
This, let the failures fail, remove the welfare system and watch them die like flies
>>70879021
yep, only works without a welfare state though
j>i
>>70879467
Fucking drives me nuts m8.
Sure the education system can always use improvement. But it starts and ends with YOU.
>>70879883
>Sure the education system can always use improvement.
The education system would show dramatic improvements just by letting the niggers go be niggers in the streets like they want to do.
>>70880026
>>70880314
I work with a lady who has been having problems with her kid. She works during the day and her daughter ditches school. The court's solution?
>we can make the daughter start giving a shit if we threaten to put the parent in jail
No, Judge Jewdy. Your solution is terrible and perpetuates the problem.
>>70880752
I wonder.. If she got sent to jail, would obama invite her to the white house?
But really that is insanity. Of course there's not a dad, that's a given. But no parent? Dam son
>>70859674
Went to small Catholic high school, they taught all of that
>>70858686
>WE
Shouldn't do anything. You think making debt for children to repay when they grow up with a shitty education is caring about them?
Parents should be legally required to pay for private schooling. Or at least implement the voucher system. Privatize the fuck out of it.
>>70858686
Remove homework.
>>70859327
I don't care, this is some tasty bait.
One of the first few lessons in Electrical Engineering class was about imaginary numbers and how to use them to deduce multi-variable equations and solve complex systems.
>>70859674
School is there to give you the tools, not the experience. You can all about that outside of school, aka 'real life' like you said. Or you know just read a book or ask your parents/friends/etc.
>implying anyone taking higher level math courses in high school have problems understanding basic personal finance
