> conservashits
Oh, so it's that easy! Just start making wall street and corporations pay "their fair share". Why didn't anyone ever think of that before? Oh wait, they did...and realized big business runs the US. Bernie Sanders can't stop it. He will just tax the fuck out of people to incorporate his "programs". GTFO.
>mandatory taxes to send Tumblrina to worship Karl Marx (and Tyrone to rape her after)
I never really get it when lefties start going on about rich people paying their "fair share" or there being "one rule for the rich and another for us".
Retards, they pay all the tax. Even with them not paying they still pay nearly all the tax. You've probably paid in enough tax over the course of your life to get one of your shit kids halfway through middle school.
Shut up.
>>70838374
His plan would work, if not that you can just continue your work in another country where you don't need to pay America-tier taxes and wages. Or how easy it is to hide money somewhere else and not pay taxes on it. In the end, everyone except Johnny Welfare and Mr. CEO will pay for his plans.
>>70838374
Same crap day after day.
>>70838374
Bernie Sanders barely knows how to do his own taxes. This man cannot represent the entire country in terms of fiscal responsibility.
Bernie gets pushed around by 2 loud women from BLM, do you really think he can take on the ruling elite class of America?
Keep in mind he is one of the most personally financially irresponsible candidate we've had in decades. And he's supposed to not waste American taxpayer money?
>>70838374
>like we used to
no
>Occupy Democrats in charge of facts
>>70838737
>His plan would work
t. peronista
define "fair share"
>>70838670
Socalists don't like people succeeding more than anyone else (except the federal government.)
He's got shit right. Except for his tax plan. A bit ridiculous to raise taxes on the middle classes and the poor as well.
>>70838374
Bernie Sanders doesn't want to give people free stuff he wants everyone to pay for poor people's stuff.
>>70838374
But the rich people do pay their taxes and companies move their businesses overseas because of the ungodly high tax rate. How will Sanders force those companies to move back to the US and force them to pay HIGHER taxes Sanders will burden them with.
>why is extending that to higher education, like we used to, now a radical idea?
Yeah, colleges will have high standards like public schools have now. Wonderful idea.
>>70839408
>>70838987
Both of these laments apply equally well to Trump's trade taxes.
At least Bernie is mostly taxing Wall St which might even have some positive externalities in making the economy more stable.
Trump is taxing trade which is a 100% productive and economically necessary activity and therefore for sure more economically harmful.
Both of them are punishing rich people to appease the poor.
>>70839611
>stock trade isnt productive or economically necessary
>already over 40% tax rate
>they still need to pay their fair share
Ok
>>70839146
People freak out about a slight tax increase but forget that the average net income would also go up and tax payers will be saving money on health care.
>>70838374
Conservatives are afraid of a well educated populace.
Trump: I love the uneducated
>>70839724
>entire generation goes to college
>no blue collar workers
>USA collapses as Starbucks can only hire so many English majors
>>70838374
>Literally the same thread from yesterday
>>70838374
kinda getting sick of the same occupy democrats memes being posted on here
oh look the OP hasnt replied to shit, what a fuckin suprise
>>70838374
Nothing the government provides is produced with anything other than taxation.
Taxation is theft.
>>70839801
Right because trade schools and STEM degrees will cease to exist due to adorable college
T. A guy in trade school for a blue collar job
Also degrees don't go down in value, only the job market dictates how many jobs are actually available.
>>70839914
>adorable college
lol, affordable* stupid phone.
>>70838670
this, the rich pay almost all the tax in the USA.
>>70838374
I'm going to college right now
for free (I'm not white lel)
It's a goddamn waste of time, the paper itself is all anyone does it for anymore
No learning occurs when there is no desire for it
This push to increase access to higher education ignores how deplorable the state of education in this country has become
>>70839693
It's not actually clear that a large percentage of the games Wall Street plays are economically beneficial. It's only the case that they are legal. At most they claim they add liquidity but it's not really obvious whether they are actually helping or hindering actual wealth generation activities.
For example one can easily make the argument that they have been very instrumental in the market push towards short term gain which has now resulted in a shitty economic state with mediocre growth.
In any case it is much harder to make the argument that trading stocks at 0.01us intervals is at all necessary or as necessary as trade in physical goods with China is.
>>70839761
"We do great with the highly educated and the poorly educated, I love the poorly educated"
He says that to make stupid people feel good and not hurt their feelings about just talking about the smart people.
haha lol!!! drumpf can only get votes from mouth breathing retards and he loves them because they are his hwole support!
t. huffpost
>>70839761
>compares rates with a worldwide economic crash
wew lad
>>70839724
It's not a slight tax increase. It's 6%. And it's not clear whether he will ever deliver on his promise of free college and free healthcare.
>>70840282
The source I looked at said it was about a 2-3% increase on the middle class, plus a small tax on stock exchanges of around 0.5% per exchange.
>>70838374
>make them pay their fair share in taxes
Maybe it's the conservative in me, but that's what I don't get. If we're all meant to be equal, why does one group pay more? It's basically punishing those who work hard and achieve.
I understand the necessity of heightened taxes, but the hypocrisy and clueless direction of neoliberals sinks any argument they have when it comes to the topic.
>>70840409
>a small tax on stock exchanges of around 0.5% per exchange
That would kill small time investors. Great job Bern.
>>70838374
The top 1% pay far more tax than anyone else. They pay their fair share.
>>70839761
W E W L A D
http://globalnews.ca/news/2508940/canada-sells-nearly-half-of-all-its-gold-reserves/
>>70840452
If you make 10 gorillion dollars what's so bad about 3 gorillion going to taxes?
>>70840510
Panama papers prove that they 1 percent Dosent pay their fair share
>>70840682
if you make only 20k why is it that you pay 6k in taxes then get 3 of that 6 back as a return?
>>70840823
Poor people need to survive.
>>70838374
Shut up earthling, this is our planet now.
>>70840823
Iam okay with paying taxes since I know the government can function properly
>>70840510
>That would kill small time investors. Great job Bern.
Lolwut? You don't understand shit about anything to say such a thing.
That would MASSIVELY help small time traders (it would hardly affect investors at all). Look if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about just shut up already.
Do you understand the difference in volume between small time trading and commercial trading firms? Do you know how commercial trading firms prey on private investors. Do you know how HFT make their bucks? Do you know how pretty much all brokers sell your orders data to these commercial firms which in turn device algorithms to make money by jumping one step ahead of you and how these algorithms mostly work by out pacing human traders in both speed and volume?
No clearly not. You have absolutely no fucking clue about any of this shit so just shut up already, retard.
>>70840682
It's the fact that the people spewing the higher taxes meme promote equality in every single way except when it comes to income.
I'm not advocating for completely equal taxes, I'm just taking the time to point out hypocrisy. We've been fishing for others to eat for the longest time. If we don't teach them to fish, the tax payer will always be livestock propping up the lower class.
Why should I pay more money that I'll never see again to help someone I'll never know and will never repay me or society? It's basically inhibiting parasitism.
>>70840452
But a lot of the 1% don't really "work hard and achieve" a huge amount of wealth in the U.S. Is from inheritance, and an even larger amount of money is stored either offshore or put into investment banking which doesn't benefit any class other than the 1%. Trickle down economics clearly doesnt work so the idea is that for the people who don't have to spend a huge portion of their income on basic survival needs (like the 1%) they should pay a bit more in taxes to help basic infrastructure. No one in a country with as much money as the U.S. Should live below the poverty line.
>>70838374
>The same thread, every day
>Responses out the ass, every day
Why
>>70841173
Inciting, not inhibiting.
>>70840158
>has no clue what's he's looking at
wew lad
>>70841249
Because massive income inequality is one of the biggest injustices affecting America right now
>If we're all meant to be equal, why does one group pay more?
Because one group affects a larger cost on the rest of society and is granted a larger share of wealth and privileges?
>>70840580
>>70840749
Barely any Americans were involved with that.
>>70841136
So how exactly does raising taxes on all investments helps private investors fend off large commerical firms exactly? You make no sense. The tax foundation has projected an 18.6% decrease in capital stock as a result of Bernie's tax plan.
>>70841390
Because it's a shitty bait thread and you're a faggot for making it
>>70841503
Hahah eat shit conservafaggot
>>70838374
>Top 1% make 18% of the money
>Pay almost 40% of the taxes
Fair share isn't the issue, the issue is that progressives want to pander so much to so many fuckers that no amount of money will ever be able to pay for it.
>>70838374
>Fair share
>FAIR SHARE
You know what's fucking fair? PAYING THE SAME FUCKING TAX RATE, YOU PIECES OF SHIT.
Yes, yes, yes, it's a great idea to fucking punish success. After all, in order to make my money, I use the internet! I didn't invent that, so I'M PROFITING OFF OF SOMEONE ELSE'S WORK AND IT'S NOT ALL ON MY OWN.
Fuck socialism, fuck the gibs bullshit. Ben Shapiro, love him or hate him, characterizes this pretty well: socialism implies that someone else has the rights to YOUR labor.
Fuck you. I earn my money. That doesn't mean that you get to take a larger percentage of it than someone who is a wage slave at McDonald's.
The progressive tax flies in the face of equality, and anyone who says otherwise is bullshitting and justifying something that is inherently amoral.
>>70841212
Get a fucking job
>>70841136
Oh ok then how do we fix this oh great man of all facts known to man who is obviously not a proxy
>>70841480
>So how exactly does raising taxes on all investments helps private investors fend off large commerical firms exactly?
By raising the cost of operation for commercial predatory firms to significant levels while keeping the cost to private investors at insignificant levels.
Clearly you don't really understand any of this. Just be humble and admit you ignorance and I'll forgive your arrogance cause I was an arrogant little shit as well once upon a time.
>the tax foundation
You think I will get my information from Soros and Bill Gates?
Bernie lived his fair share of life and needs to kill himself.
>>70841003
It clearly says "Neanderthal" over europe, so what is this picture trying to say?
>>70841778
I work two jobs and go to a trade school getting my associates man.
>>70841863
>By raising the cost of operation for commercial predatory firms to significant levels while keeping the cost to private investors at insignificant levels.
And how, pray tell do we do this in away that would actually work?
>You think I will get my information from Soros and Bill Gates?
Nice strawman
>I'mma tax every financial trade!
>There's no way this will fuck over people's 401(k)'s
No wonder only college kids like this moron, they haven't had to save yet.
>>70841863
>By raising the cost of operation for commercial predatory firms to significant levels
[citation needed]
I have no reason to believe that this tax would seriously impact large firms' abilities to make profits due to their large purchasing power. However private investors have much less money to play with and thus are much more negatively impacted by this tax.
>>70842052
Whitey killed the neanderthals and stole their land.
>>70841212
Inheritors shouldn't be looked down upon for their family's hard work, it was passed on so the family could continue being prosperous. This happens in smaller monetary situations too in the middle and lower class.
I wonder if taxes are a reason money goes to offshore accounts? That would make sense. My last post I stated I'm not advocating for completely equal taxes because I understand why we have heightened taxes for individuals.
If taxes are really the reason money is being pulled out from the country, is it not logical to say more taxes would result in more offshore money?
>>70838374
>this thread again
What, was getting your shit pushed in the past 3 times it was posted not enough?
>>70838374
It's fucking stupid to have only two parties.
>>70838374
>We already have "free" education to grade 12. Why is extending that to higher education a radical idea?
Has the retard that made this ever looked at a public school?
>>70842190
The most sane solution is to throw out the current tax code a write a new one from scratch, one that isn't 4000 pages of loopholes.
>>70842181
:DDDDDDDD
>>70842297
Yeah we kinda really need to get rid of the party system over here.
>>70842369
Or we could just cut out frivolous legislative and judiciary departments that waste money with no results.
I'm not too knowledgeable on tax loopholes, but fixing the general budget and reducing earmarked money seems a lot simpler than rewriting and reteaching a tax code.
>>70841740
>>70841694
What you are proposing is the retarded COMMUNIST idea of equality.
If you go to a shop to get a bagel and a coffee you pay for a fucking bagel and a coffee. And if you go to shop to get a croissant you pay for the fucking croissant.
Proportional taxation is fair because it is proportion to the cost that the taxpayer inflicts on society.
Or do you think that a business owner isn't massively benefiting more from property rights protections and all other government services than a simple farmer? There is a reason why a farm can be set up anywhere but a modern business cannot be.
The farmer has only his land to protect. He can do that with a shotgun.
The business owner needs people to protect his shop from thieves, his couriers and drivers, his contracts and trade agreements. He needs courts to settle disputes. He needs governments to enact trade policies with other countries so that he can operate in foreign markets. He needs to figure our how to be protected in case his business fails (it's called an LLC and it's a massive state sanctioned privileges to businesses).
What you faggots want is for the farmer to pay just as much tax despite making much less use of government services and imposing a much lower cost on society because pretty much all the tax money is going to funding that is helping the business owner keep his operation alive and running.
>>70842325
> le public school is bad meme
So we should just go back to only when the wealthy were educated , dipshit?
>>70842064
>You think I will get my information from Soros and Bill Gates?
Nice strawman
>You think I will get my information from Soros and Bill Gates?
Nice strawman
>You think I will get my information from Soros and Bill Gates?
Nice strawman
>You think I will get my information from Soros and Bill Gates?
Nice strawman
>You think I will get my information from Soros and Bill Gates?
Nice strawman
>You think I will get my information from Soros and Bill Gates?
Nice strawman
>You think I will get my information from Soros and Bill Gates?
Nice strawman
Just pointing out the obvious. Little else needs to be said.
>>70842689
I'm not ruling out your suggestion, but any tax code of significant length is opaque by nature.
A simpler tax code means less loopholes and more transparency.
Tell me, when't the last time you did your own taxes? And if you have, how long did it take?
>>70842701
>There is a reason why a farm can be set up anywhere but a modern business cannot be.
That's backwards you fucking moron.
>The business owner needs people to protect his shop from thieves, his couriers and drivers, his contracts and trade agreements. He needs courts to settle disputes. He needs governments to enact trade policies with other countries so that he can operate in foreign markets. He needs to figure our how to be protected in case his business fails (it's called an LLC and it's a massive state sanctioned privileges to businesses).
>A Farmer needs none of this
It's painfully clear you have no idea what you're talking about.
Stop bumping shill threads you mongoloids.
>>70842919
Explain how taxing every trade helps the small investor with little money and hurts big firms with millions of dollars.
>>70842713
Public schools before common core implementation were more successful than they are now. Nowadays public schools teach the graduation exam and don't prepare students for college, which explains the increase in remedial studies freshmen take.
Public schools do actually suck, but like my high school, if you're not funded by state and can sustain it, your education and opportunities will paramount any suburban state run schools.
> le flat tax rate is effective and efficient meme
conservashits need to be hung for being bootlicking pieces of shit
>>70842713
Public education is broken, and it needs to be fixed. LONG before we think of handing a blank check to everyone who thinks of going to college.
>>70843023
Actually did my taxes last night, took me an hour. I'm middle class with barely any assets so it's relatively easy for me to breeze through my forms, e-filing has simplified the process for many of those who can't do their own though.
I'm just arguing on the fact that budget reform would be easier as opposed to a brand new tax code, but I do agree that a tax code would solve a slew of things. Bipartisan politics would hinder any progress on a new tax code though, I think it would be much easier for both parties to argue in Congress about the budget. I wanna say that revision is an easier process for Congress than actual creation.
>>70843945
Every time I've done taxes it took me about 2 or 3 hours, maybe it's because I was below the poverty line at the time.
I'd assert that budget reform would be as likely as tax reform. Which is, not at all.
>>70844339
Being below the poverty line qualifies you for so many tax breaks, so I assume that's why.
My states governor actually tried proposing a reformed/reduced budget this year, needless to say everyone's crying sex scandal now and the actual argument over the budget has subsided. Sad world we live in.
>>70838374
>liberals bringing up fairness
>by outlining the fine details of how to take other peoples money and how if they refuse it must be taken forecfully or it isnt "fair"
>liberals have not paid a tax once that has ever even come close to amounting to a rich persons tax
what would happen if you gave a stuanch liberal a billion dollars
>piss away a couple million on retarded shit
>start a few businesses that fail
>donate millions to kike operated charities
>give every nigger who asks some of dat
>the money starts dwindling
>they make efforts to save
>sjw and niggers start lambasting the "selfish acts"
>cave in
>gib more dats
>money now in the 6 figure category
>try to save
>"RACISTSSSSS"
>eventually become right wing
>>70845456
Projection: the post
Yawwwwwnnnn....didn't read
>>70845456
Yfw you realize Reagan was the worst deficit spender in US presidential history
>>70845853
>yfw butthurt commies still lie about Reagan.
>>70845975
Look at the objective facts.
>trade protectionism at unparalleled levels
>grew number of federal employees
>oversaw largest tax increase in American history
>grew size of departments he swore to abolish
>tripled federal debt from 750 bil to 2.7 trillion
The problem isn't taxes. We complain and complain that big businesses need to pay their fade share, 1%ers need to pay their fair share, but they do pay, even if part. My question is where does it all go?? Oh into the govt so the can use it to pay and buy what's important to them. Go check out pork barrel spending for this year. Thats great that we want it to be fair but then the government has to put money where they say they will.
TL:DR no matter how much taxes we pay, the rich pay, or businesses pay, it all goes into a corrupt government.
>>70842181
One day, after we clone Neanderthals from their remains, this will be an actual political slogan.
