I'm so tired of this country and I hate it now
Everyone is obsessed with money and trying to fit into the herd and anything else is considered apostasy
Also we invade and bomb all these countries then all these stupid rednecks wonder why people might want to do terrorist attacks against us
We have moved so far away from what the Founders intended that they would have certainly rather killed themselves than fight for what their country has become
The Constiution may as well not even exist anymore, it's been decades since our courts and our legislative bodies have actually consulted it
America is essentially the complete opposite of what the Founding Fathers intended and that is sickening to think about
>>70798275
Come up here friend, we love immigrants, you'll do great to fit in here daquan
>>70798275
So vote Trump and shut the fuck up.
>>70799259
It's too far gone to change
The government has its big Jewish schnoz in all aspects of life and even if Trump is elected then whoever comes next will most certainly start a new war
America was never supposed to be about warfare and welfare
Anti-patriotic faggots are the scum of earth, you fags should be gassed on the spot.
>>70798275
You could always kill yourself
>>70798275
Leave. Or maybe you need to move to a different area of the U.S. There's a lot of people out there, about 300 million more than you'll find in your mom's basement you little shit.
>>70799759
It's unpatriotic to actually want to uphold the Constitution and look to the Founders for guidance rather than blindly follow the great nose into a future of more warfare and more welfare?
Get working on that wall, faggot
>>70798275
Fuck off and leave then faggot.
>>70798275
tl;dr;
>abloo ablooo waa waa
>>70798275
this is what someone brainwashed by 16 years of a leftist-dominated education system looks like
>>70799956
>>70800007
>>70800137
You're the unpatriotic ones who hate the Constitution and blindly follow the crowd forward into a future of destitution and more statism
We have become what we fought against for our Freedom; a global empire that crushes people into submission so that a minuscule elite can get even richer
I bet a lot of people here want this man dead. Also a police state that works just for them would be nice.
>>70800430
Are you just coming on here to vent, or are you actually trying to do something about it? Because no one here cares about your opinion.
>>70800347
Why because I actually cherish the Constitution and hold in high regard the values of our Founders?
>>70800467
Of course they do
It's beyond a shame when people can claim to be Americans and yet cheer on the stripping away of our Constitutional rights, the government doesn't even have to hide it
>>70800646
What can be done about it?
Heading out West and hoarding guns while broadcasting from your HAM radio ain't gonna do too much
>>70798275
> Everyone is obsessed with money
But, you don't even care about your money!
This is caring about money.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k68VJxaEgWw
>>70800763
>What can be done about it?
You're the one complaining about it. Either change it diplomatically, move to a different country, kill yourself, or start assassinating the people you believe are responsible. That's what historically has been done. Posting your feelings on an image board is just a convenient go between. People will always find something to be unhappy about.
>>70799759
This
>>70801129
> or start assassinating the people you believe are responsible
That usually really doesn't work.
And I suspect it is working even less in the USA. 'cmon, you know your countrymen, you'll mobilize 10 times more against you than for you if you do that (and probably rightly so).
>>70798275
I love invading and bombing countries. Fuck all hajjis.
>>70801450
Shut the fuck up, goy
>>70798275
I think you are just memeing with no consequences.
Don't take our dear country for granted my friend, do you know how lucky we are to have the freedoms and land and prosperity we do?
We still have issues as always, we always have, i mean Thomas Jefferson was fighting muslims in tripoli in the 1800s because they kept taking american hostages, much as we clash with muslims today. The Constitution is a living document.
Im not saying America is perfect, but im saying we're the next best goddamn thing.
And if you can't recognize that we're dominant economically, militarily, morally, socially, and culturally and we live in such an open society where you have the most freedom to be an individual then you are just some stupid bratty fuck and i encourage you to get the hell out and go to mexico or eastern europe and go live it up there.
>>70801450
It's just that it's difficult to get away with these days here. Everyone has security up the ass. You'd need to be a really good shot and a really fast getaway to be of any threat. But our military is letting in fags and women, and we're fat, so I don't see it happening.
>>70798275
Finally an American who's eyes are open.
>>70798275
>Everyone is obsessed with money
>need money to eat
>need money to sleep safely
>need money to travel further then a few miles
>need money to get a piece of paper saying that you have an education
>need money to die without fucking your family over
>all the jobs and money are going to India and china
>>70798275
>only America kills innocent people
Boy you better have every flag in the world upside and with that bullshit written on it in its respective language if you're going by that logic
>>70798275
There's Canada.
Fucking go there if you don't like it here.
>b-but!
No buts. Get your liberal commie ass out of my country.
>>70801710
Fuck off waffle nigger you're not even a real country
BERNFAGS ON LIFE SUPPORT!
Did you just realize he wouldn't win?
Captcha; short bus
>>70801129
It's been in the works for decades the only way to change it is long term political strategizing
Just like people don't escape generational poverty overnight you can't shift the paradigm of an entire society overnight
>>70801540
>>70801636
We were never meant to be a global empire galavanting around the globe firing off missiles and breaking people to our will be it with the carrot or the stick
Tripoli was protecting our peaceful trading vessels from attack, we did not besiege a nation and then occupy it with troops and setup a puppet government
The government was never supposed to violate the Constitution, it does so blatantly and publicly today
You may be okay with the government spying on you and executing American civilians without trial because you bought into the "fuck yeah muh freedum!" meme hook line and sinker, but I am not okay with that
I would gladly trade global hegemony for a government that actually respected the rights of its citizens
>>70801812
It's not needing money to get by it's the worship of it
We were founded on independence not only from overbearing government but also a system in which the wealthy quashed the poor (aristocracy in Europe)
>>70802032
You cannot support the behavior of the American government and people today and call yourself a patriot
You're the useful idiot that blindly marches into tyranny because the tyrants are saying all the right things
>>70798275
hurr durr muh edge
go live in Zimbabwe, Venezuela or North Korea and see how your commie paradises work
>>70798275
edgy/10
>>70802238
Where did I ever espouse belief in socialism?
I am the furthest thing from a socialist in fact I want a government and a society that follows the Constitutional principles of self determination
Not mindless herd mentally like you and everyone else exhibits
>>70801570
I thought we were the mountain jews and you the goy?
>>70801708
My argument was less about the practicality of being able to assassinate someone.
My point is more about that it wouldn't help your political faction and wouldn't strengthen the US constitution, success or not.
>>70802247
You're the faggot who keeps sucking dick because they love the taste of semen in their mouth.
>>70799664
well too bad
we are the empire now
I was born here, and its got some bullshit going on, but as the empire we really should be forcing our standard on others.
iraq failed because we were not allowed to actually all out attack the terrorists, dismantle the governments, make it into a vassal state and make islam illegal all while enjoying the spoils of war (the jews sure did though)
because that would be racist
>>70802465
Not an argument
>>70802634
We were never supposed to be an empire
Show me where in the Constiution it allows the United States to invade and setup vassal states all over the world
>>70802247
Okay i see your point that we are a country based on freedoms so why do we violate that concept?
But the whole point of a nation is its existence. We want to last as long as possible. We want to be the ones to make it on the other side and figure this whole thing out, we dont plan on falling like the romans did so how else could we achieve this without a global hegemony?
And you have to admit, comparatively speaking, America is one of the best countries to live in, you have more rights than your average global citizen.
Why are you disenfranchised with us being the number one military superpower?
Would you rather it be someone else other than america?
And where is your evidence that the government is spying on me and executing civilians without trial?
Ive not seen this.
>inb4 MUH TSA AND INTERNET SPYING
if you honestly think the government is taking detailed logs of each of the 320mill individuals in the USA and not looking for specific keywords or phrases you are delusional.
Sounds like Finland is your place
http://thehieno.com/2015/10/09/finland-is-not-for-the-ambitious/
But fuck off we're full
>>70802684
Yes it is.
>>70802634
> we are the empire now
I think it's more accurate to say "one of the empires". Not "the" empire.
>>70802959
>were full
>population 5,000,000
>density: low as fuck
i dont think so brother.
>>70803274
No one wants to live in the empty spaces(forest), our cities are full
We're like little Australia
>>70802247
You have no understanding of global politics. Please stop posting. There was a multi-polar world with USA and USSR doing the same shit. USA won, USSR suffered for it. There are always nations vying for top dog and for each one that wins, a loser suffers. You should be grateful that it's not you suffering. This is unfortunately the world we live in. If USA gives up on its aspirations, the other countries will not.
>>70798275
>We have moved so far away from what the Founders intended that they would have certainly rather killed themselves than fight for what their country has become
I'm so glad we have someone capable of personally speaking with the founding fathers to know such great insights.
>
The Constiution may as well not even exist anymore, it's been decades since our courts and our legislative bodies have actually consulted it
Wat
>America is essentially the complete opposite of what the Founding Fathers intended and that is sickening to think about
wat^2
Just wondering, but what do you think the founding fathers actually "intended"?
>>70803793
Maybe Hamilton would have been ok with it but Jefferson surely would have been disgusted.
>>70802854
>But the whole point of a nation is its existence. We want to last as long as possible. We want to be the ones to make it on the other side and figure this whole thing out, we dont plan on falling like the romans did so how else could we achieve this without a global hegemony?
We have the unique geographical position of being separated from the rest of the world by vast oceans, we are essentially an island nation that is far far away from the rest of the world and because of this we don't need to dominate the world. A navy a fraction of the current size would be more than sufficient to ensure our saftey
I fact world hegemony has been a factor in many empires' downfalls, a big part of why Rome fell was because it was overextended and its citizens didn't care about the founding values of Rome they were too busy chasing money and indulging in hedonism
>And you have to admit, comparatively speaking, America is one of the best countries to live in, you have more rights than your average global citizen.
I agree but that won't last long the way we are going
>Why are you disenfranchised with us being the number one military superpower?
It's a massive tax burden that we were never supposed to shoulder. I'm all for having a strong military as long as it is used in self defense and not for securing resources that aren't ours and bending foreign nations to our will
>Would you rather it be someone else other than america?
>And where is your evidence that the government is spying on me and executing civilians without trial?
Are you serious with the spying thing?
Have you been living under a rock?
And yes I am aware that they are not data mining every single person but they are collecting data and they are not being transparent about it
American citizens have been targeted in drone strikes, they were not given a trial, they had no criminal case pending against them, they were killed
>>70798275
WHO CARES ABOUT THE FOUNDING FATHERS
I SURE AS HELL DON'T
>>70803793
I've read more biographies of the Founders than I can count
I've read their own writings, publicly published during their lifetimes and posthumously published private diaries and journals
I've studied the philosophers that they admired, mainly John Locke
The Founders intended a small government that kept out of private affairs and out of foreign alliances as well
They wanted the opposite of what was Britain
They desired for every man to be able to make his own way and do his own thing, they wanted no aristocracy
A lot of them differed on many things but these are near universal themes
>>70803901
Something something slave fuckers don't really get opinions in the 21st century. Their document was written to be interpreted by the living for the betterment of the living.
They knew things wouldn't always be the way they were when they first wrote it, hence the amendment system. They also hadn't the slightest idea we would become the power house we are today, which makes isolationism extremely difficult. Honestly, whatever direction our representative democracy chooses to take with it is basically the fulfillment of their "intentions" for better governance.
>>70804086
>typicalberniesanderssupporter.png
>>70798275
> I hate my country because the government is corrupt and consumerism is destroying everything
Welcome to the real world OP
>>70804531
>slave fuckers
Pretty fatuous statement
>>70804531
>representative democracy
Sorry but we were never intended to be a democracy, a representative republic is not a democracy, the word "democracy" does not appear in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence
>Their document was written to be interpreted by the living for the betterment of the living
Please point me to where in the Constitution it says this
>They also hadn't the slightest idea we would become the power house we are today
There's a difference between a strong nation and an empire, nowhere in the Constitution does it allow for the United States to maintain a worldwide empire or military bases on foreign soil
>>70804721
The thing is we have safeguards against this enshrined in our most holy document but the government and those in power have decided to just not follow it anymore
>>70798275
how about you leave you leave then you colossal sperg
>>70804926
Gtfo billy Bob sperg lord
>>70799759
another stupid spic another stupid opinion
>>70799759
WALL IS RIGHT
OP IS A FAGGOT
>>70804325
Unfortunately they didn't realize just how much of a power house we would become, we had no choice after WW2 (or WW1, possibly) to simply sit out things on the global stage. In the pursuit of the crazy industrialization that made us powerful, urbanization (and all the social issues that brings) also made a full pursuit of "rugged individualism" somewhat dubious.
They were human beings like us, there's absolutely no need to worship them and their "intentions" as if they were sent down by god ffs. The United States isn't "what the founders intended" because it never really was to begin with, and never will. The world is far too complex for that.
Also
>They desired for every man to be able to make his own way and do his own thing
Except the 3/5 "men", obviously. And letting women or poor whites vote (or anyone besides white land owning males really) which were excluded by the states ratifying the constitution? Fuck that noise.
>they wanted no aristocracy
After them, you mean?
>>70798275
bite down on that prozac citizen we may need to double your dose
>>70804857
The safeguards are put there so people will believe that the system may change, its not a conspiracy it is just common sense
I left that United Soviet States of Murka 6 years ago with no regrets.
But good luck surviving the purges and gulags your rabid left occupied government is preping for you my fellow "countrymen"...lol
>>70805118
PROPERTY owners hold what's called a stake in their country. If the country is under attack, the PROPERTY owner will be concerned about his property. Property is a physical asset they live on, does not necessarily mean land.
This means the PROPERTY owner won't just pack up and leave the county, city, state, or country without consequence. This was actually quite common back then for men to join other people's armies or desert their nation for another seeking riches.
With that said, PROPERTY owners voted along the lines of what was in their best interests, NOT the interests of other nations, armies, or leaders. You ended up having was one of the most intelligent electorate in history. That's why they elected such intelligent people to create the constitution the U.S.still uses 200 years later.
Also, freed slaves, who owned property were entitled to vote. Shocking I know. Nowhere in the constitution does it say voting was exclusive to white people btw. That power was given to the states (before the 14th Amendment was approved). Read the 10th Amendment, something the Supreme Court won't do.
>>70800136
Jefferson wasn't the only founding father, hamilton would be totally elated at how hard we are financially cucking the rest of the world.
>>70800646
I care about his opinion, he does have a point.
>>70805445
Hamilton also like the idea of central banking.
>>70805573
All he's doing is whining about problems. This isn't a blog or kikebook.
>>70798275
Smh Give up OP it's over, you might aswell join the authoritarian government when you have the chance. Your libertarian dream is far from real. I once had hope and then I realized the majority of people are fucking idiots and should not be allowed to have a say in what happens in this country. We can't just magically flip a switch and have all of the Constitutions laws followed exactly how they should be. Were in too deep, hopefully some dope authoritarian and anti globalist like Trump or Matthias gets into power.
>>70803404
I want to live in the boonies like I do now in America. Who wants to live in a shitty city.
>>70805445
>>70805627
Hamilton was killed by based Burr
My intention was to point out problems
Little did I know it would expose many anons as statist bootlickers who would like to shred the Constitution
>>70804857
>Sorry but we were never intended to be a democracy, a representative republic is not a democracy, the word "democracy" does not appear in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence
>Governance by democratically elected officials is not inherently democratic
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/
Just get out.
As for where it says it?
>Article V
>The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
What are amendments, again? Oh right, they're the means to alter the entire constitution and potentially remove old amendments/prevent new ones. (those last two possibilities aren't explicitly mentioned either, they're neat that way)
>nowhere in the Constitution does it allow for the United States to maintain a worldwide empire or military bases on foreign soil
It also mandated slaves were 3/5 people for voting, and strictly speaking we don't have an "Empire" either. Those US bases are requested, not conquered (save for Gitmo obv)
One more thing
>our most holy document
This is some next level shit.
>>70805781
>based Burr
Aaron Burr was indicted on four counts of treason.
OP sounds like a typical self-hating liberal cuck.
>>70806073
Just because he wanted to be Emperor of Mexico.
>>70805870
Half of /pol/ cannot read the Constitution. For whatever reason, be it short attention span, or lack of intelligence... the result is the same. Ignorance. But to those of us who can read - people like you keep us coming back to /pol/.
>>70805781
>Little did I know it would expose many anons as statist bootlickers who would like to shred the Constitution
Do you not see all the trump shilling? That is the majority of people here now.
>>70805380
Man am I ever glad you literalists are going extinct. Just read this out loud, how the fuck does this even mesh with the aforementioned idea of "abolishing the aristocracy" that the founders were supposedly all about?
>Also, freed slaves, who owned property were entitled to vote
I can't imagine how smoothly this went down south, at all. (Particularly in South Carolina, where it was specifically illegal)
>>70798275
Fucking Russian diaspora piece of shit, kill yourself vladimir
>>70805870
>washington post blog
binned
>Governance by democratically elected officials is not inherently democratic
Republicanism is not democracy and the POTUS is elected by the electoral college, not the masses, also how many seats you get in proportional to population and then the Senate is fixed so as to prevent tyranny of the majority
Democracy doesn't provide such safeguards
Nowhere in the Constitution does it allow for the United States to maintain military bases on foreign soil, requested or not it doesn't matter
Read the Constitution rather than getting your information about it from bloggers
I also suggest Black's Law Dictionary to help with any interpretation
>>70798275
True you're hated everywhere
>>70806250
His involvement in Mexico broke treaties.
>>70806144
What's liberal about wanting to uphold and maintain Constitutional values?
If anything that is following the definition of the word "conservative," that is someone who seeks to preserve and uphold traditional values
>>70806316
>I can't imagine how smoothly this went down south, at all
Yep cause rather than seek out primary source documentation you would just rely on whatever garbage your mind concocts
>>70802771
Where does it say we can't? He is right, Iraq should have become a vassal state.
Why not build some factories there? Give them jobs in exchange for oil.
you're all right OP ignore these faggots. I'm with you all the way. Did some work in the court system and it is painful how badly our rights have been eroded. Fourth amendment barely exists anymore
>>70806390
>binned
That's a funny way to say "I only can offer a genetic fallacy."
>Republicanism is not democracy and the POTUS is elected by the electoral college, not the masses, also how many seats you get in proportional to population and then the Senate is fixed so as to prevent tyranny of the majority
Disingenuous semantics. Our country isn't anything close to a pure republic nor am I saying we're a pure democracy, and you know it. As for the electoral college, I'd like you to point out at least 5 elections where the will of the people (aka the majority vote) was superseded by the delegates picking someone else. To make it more fun, Gore v Bush in 2000 is a freebie.
>Nowhere in the Constitution does it allow for the United States to maintain military bases on foreign soil, requested or not it doesn't matter
I'm more interested in where it explicitly says that tbqh, outside of a very liberal reading of the "foreign entanglements plz" clause.
>Read the Constitution rather than getting your information about it from bloggers
No need for pretension here, the argument over exactly "what" the US is devolves very quickly (as we can see) and thus I was looking for expediency. I'm not sorry.
>>70799759
Based Mexico for once
>>70806576
Honestly I never understood how freely the 4th amendment could be swept away (whether by the FBI, NSA, DHS or even your local cops) while even the tiniest hint of shenanigans with the 2nd prompts mind melting outrage. Where's the love for #4?
>>70807098
2nd is much more visceral, plus people are willing to make concessions on 4th. People don't like living next to drug dealers and shit like that, it's nice that the cops are able to just bust down the door and take care of business if need be.
Also 1st and 2nd amendment are viewed as the "rights" in the bill of rights. Everything else is viewed pretty much strictly as restrictions to government power. People care more about preserving their rights than restricting the government.
I feel both are very important, just giving some thoughts on why it's not so popular.
>>70806565
The Constitution is an expression of what the government is allowed to do
If the Constitution does not expressly allow the government to act then such an act is forbidden
It would be absolute insanity otherwise you'd have the government doing essentially whatever they want (not that they don't anyway but as I said the Constitution is now a distant afterthought amongst our judges and legislators
>>70807098
Just read many of the posts ITT
They outwardly express disdain for the Constitution and the values of the Founders, and then they have the audacity to accuse me of being unAmerican when I'm the only one here actually standing up for Constitutionally enshrined rights!
>>70807496
because you're an entry-level lolberg and you don't get it yet
>>70798275
>we invade and bomb all these countries
Meh, every country does bad shit.
>We have moved so far away from what the Founders intended
Many of the Founding Fathers owned slaves, so of course they would be mad that we banned slavery.
>>70807788
>Many of the Founding Fathers owned slaves
Context is very important here. Many of them owned slaves, but many of them also lamented about it in their personal journals. They partook because it would have been weird for men of their prestige not to, and they knew changing such a way of life could only come with great sacrifice, one they passed on to another generation.
>>70799664
>thinking there is a single chance in hell of anything changing unless the change comes from Anerican citizens
>not realizing the only way this happens in the next decade is by getting Trump into office
>>70807684
not an argument and not a libertarian
>>70807788
>Meh, every country does bad shit.
That's true but the point is it runs antithetical to American values
>Many of the Founding Fathers owned slaves, so of course they would be mad that we banned slavery
There was almost an anti slavery ammendment in the Constitution and it was supported by slave owning Founders such as Washington and Jefferson but it was scrapped because they feared that it would fracture the country before it had even really formed
>>70807297
I disagree with that view though, the 4th clearly sanctions "the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures." This is a right as much as the 2nd amendment restricts the govt from grabbing all your guns.
Allowing the cops to just "bust down the door and take care of business if need be" sounds fantastic until they go after you for trying to get them to stop beating the shit out of people.
>>70807496
I wouldn't call it "standing up for constitutionally enshrined rights" so much as complaining about all the facets of modernity which the US has had to adapt to, which also includes occasionally bending the constitution so much it rips. A lot of it can be blamed on our 15 year long global not-technically-a-war-but-really-is-one on Terror, and what we've had to do to stay ahead.
>>70808000
Whatever you are, you're basically a libertarian, Moly
>>70807996
Trump would be great because he's the only anti war candidate who doesn't want a socialist state
I posted earlier that change wont happen overnight and the only way to shift the paradigm is through long term political strategizing
>>70808058
How is someone who wants the government to function as it was laid out over 200 years ago a libertarian?
>>70808076
Dog bless
>>70808050
>until they go after you for trying to get them to stop beating the shit out of people.
Yeah but that's dystopia scenario fed by defeatist shills on /pol/. You know most people in the government are white guys, right? We still have a leg up and they are not jailing us for speaking out against Muslim rape. Because of the Bill of Rights, they're going to have a hard time making that happen.
The word "unreasonable" is in there for a reason. We SHOULD allow the government to break into people's homes if there is strong evidence linking them to something that brings harm to the community. That's always been a thing, it's a basic element of government.
The dystopian horror stories should be heeded but it's foolish to act like we're really oppressed by our government for saying anti-government shit. If that was the truth I would have been talked to by the FBI or something a long time ago.
>>70808144
You adhere to ideals that sound nice and seem logical, but due to the chaotic effect of a 40% non-white population + Jewish influence in business, media, government, and education the logic does not apply. The Founders had no concept of modern geopolitics, computers, or the Internet.
>>70808144
"Constitutionalist" would probably be more accurate, but Libertarians are kind of similar so it's not a super outlandish claim.
Also, don't you think that resetting the clock to run the country as it was "laid out" (I'm assuming post Bill of Rights US Constitution) might cause more than just a few problems? Even more than the shitload we have now, in fact?
>>70806273
Your picture seems wrong:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP_per_capita
America hasn't really existed in a long time now. Take solace in knowing that once the technocratic oligarchy reaches a self sustaining level of technology, they will wipe the earth clean from all the degenerate brainwashed masses and start again fresh.
>>70807090
>>70801344
>>70799759
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-Thomas Jefferson
Why don't you faggots read and analyse that quote a little before trying to understand what it means to be a "true" American
just kill yourself dude
>>70808437
You mean a warrant? Yeah, that's perfectly constitutional. I'm referring more to things like warrantless dragnet surveillance, or warrantless house searches/raids which kind of work to unravel the fabric of what the 4th amendment protects. It's not defeatist to point out the dangers extant in our current state.
Also, given our representatives will reflect the make up of voters idk how much you'll wanna invest in that line of thinking for the long term tbqh.
>>70808713
Why don't you learn to articulate yourself, faggot?
>>70808437
>The Founders had no concept of modern geopolitics, computers, or the Internet.
The Founders were fully aware of how messy geopolitics can be, they saw the mess going on there and wanted no part of it
We never had to become the global hegemon, it's simply not necessary to sustain a prosperous nation, especially a nation as vast and as resource rich as the United States, even the thirteen original states had an abundance of resources
We absolutely cannot give up on the founding values because our government is corrupted, the logic absolutely MUST be applied or we will continue the march towards tyranny
>>70809018
*the mess going on in Europe
>>70808897
I'm saying that people who blindly follow what is said to be "patriotic" are the ones who limit freedom and liberty for those who may not necessarily think in a way that society or government deems to be okay/patriotic. The people I mentioned are the exact types that Jefferson was talking about when he said that patriots do nothing but hurt the possibility of new ideas, even going as far as to put patriots and tyrants in the same sentence.
>>70808587
>Also, don't you think that resetting the clock to run the country as it was "laid out" (I'm assuming post Bill of Rights US Constitution) might cause more than just a few problems? Even more than the shitload we have now, in fact?
I absolutely do not agree with this, in fact by ridding ourselves of foreign influence in our government and by downsizing the government we could see communities thrive again, power back to the states and therefore closer to the people
The erosion of rights is never the answer
>>70809291
>The erosion of rights is never the answer
So I take it you would intend to "reset" the country while keeping the Constitution (amendments and all) as it currently stands, in that case?
>>70809291
> foreign influence in our government
Wait, what? Foreign influence in the US government?
Honestly, almost all of the US internal policies are homemade (and most of the other stuff was trade and diplomatic deals the USA closed without coercion and that bind all parties quite equally).
Don't blame anyone else for that.
>>70809496
A good start would be actually holding legislators and judges to their oath and to stop overseas wars of conquest and to start letting other countries be responsible for their safety rather than relying on the US military
Also doing away with the countless unelected bureaucrats essentially drafting laws and regulations
I realize that it's not something that can happen overnight or even in the time of a generation but yes the ultimate goal would be to get the Constitution back to its rightful place as the law of the land
>>70798275
Under what flag have innocent people not been killed? There is no such thing as a benevolent nation.
>>70809597
Hillary Clinton amongst others have accepted "donations" from foreign governments and foreign NGOs
Don't forget that a candidate must have the endorsement of AIPAC in order to win
>>70809823
The point is that the Founders intended the US to stay out of foreign entanglements and the Constitution does not allow for these overseas wars of conquest and resource plundering to take place
well i do know one thing the founding fathers never had to deal with nukes
i mean they wrote the Constitution when warfare was as straight forward as it gets
governments have to evolve with the times an technology
>>70809931
Nukes don't mean that we need to disregard the Constitution and exist in a warfare and welfare state
They also don't mean that we need to exist as global hegemon
>>70810119
did you read the last line
>>70808076
He's the only anti-war candidate. Bern-out is a war monger like thw rest of them.
>>70798275
time for bed - get some sleep
>>70810268
Yes and technology is not an excuse to do away with rights and have a bloated government that sucks away my tax dollars while barely being able to function
Some of the things that my hard work (via tax dollars) goes towards is absurd
>>70799759
a true patriot acknowledges whats wrong with his country and tries to fix it
>founders start a revolution overt axed tea
>americans today are literally taxed for everything they fucking do
>too busy watch tv, fapping and other dumb shit
americans are literally cuckolds
>>70810629
Yep
Just look at how many people cry "unAmerican!" when you point out the numerous ways in which the government tramples upon individual rights and operates outside the bounds of the Constitution
Truly good goyim
>>70809829
> Hillary Clinton amongst others have accepted "donations" from foreign governments and foreign NGOs
That's the "almost all" part. I don't think it's anywhere near the domestic money yet, though.
That said, I personally think all of it sucks. Representatives should just get 2 pages in a voting brochure and that should be it for the allowed ads, and never should be allowed to take money by any interest groups.
[Yes, we also are starting to have this problem to a smaller extent here...]
> Don't forget that a candidate must have the endorsement of AIPAC in order to win
I recognize you can get like 80%+ of US citizens to unconditionally say "I support our troops" "I support Israel" "USA number one" and other patriotic slogans, but that doesn't necessarily mean you didn't decide those things yourself. I think protecting Israel isn't a source of national pride.
I'm really not sure our support for Lichtenstein would be very much more conditional if we were as powerful as the USA is and essentially have nothing much to fear. (Fortunately, Lichtenstein is not settling in Italy right now, so that's of course more easily an all-around feel-good affair - and I guess in WW2 it was a matter of principle theoretically worth dying for).
>>70802634
i agree. as much as people may want to claim its not our problem, no countries in history have been able to do what the few major world powers can do today, police radical regimes into and forcing them to respect the lives of those there charged with protecting.
id say that if theres one thing america does better then most every other country its warfare. why should we sit by and watch countries like syria, n.korea, iraq, afganistan, ect. starve murder rape and pillage there own and other people when we can so easily fix it.. after watching any documentary on Vietnam can you really say that we should have let the Vietnamese suffer under there government (even tho we want exactly angels in Vietnam too)
the biggest claim is that we spend so much on warfare... so what? our military spend props up huge portions of our economy by providing jobs both for military personal as well as contractors, research and manufacturing. the weapons we sell to allied countries provides billions to our economy.
>>70811056
>why should we sit by and watch countries like syria, n.korea, iraq, afganistan, ect. starve murder rape and pillage there own and other people
It is not our problem and more importantly the Constitution does not grant the authority for the US military to carry out regime change or to interfere in the matters of foreign nations
The Founders were well aware of what was going on in Europe at the time which was mass warfare and they all spoke out against getting involved in foreign disputes
>when we can so easily fix it
Just like we fixed Vietnam and Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya and Syria?
