I like Nationalism, but not Socialism, for obvious reasons. I don't agree with Hitler's policy of free education, free healthcare and generous pensions, as well as the unnecessary and destructive anti-Semitism (Jews make up a disproportionate amount of small business owners)
Is there such a thing as National Capitalism? if so, where and when has it been practiced?
>>70769591
>Is there such a thing as National Capitalism? if so, where and when has it been practiced?
USA
>>70769591
actually yeah... me too bro.
Seriously Hitler was basically like Bernie Sanders politically.
Goddamn I love the USA.
>>70769591
same boat senpai
it's impossible for "national" capitalism to not be subverted by globalism. if the market is truly free, nationalism will eventually be totally eroded.
>>70769591
Where have you been for the past few months? /pol/ has moved on from natsoc since it can't overcome the same issues any socialism has had.
Even the most ludicrous ultra nationalism is compatible with a contractual and free society. If anything because socialism BTFO itself in theory and practise a combination of liberty and ethnonationalism will literally be the last option save the European race.
This type of ideology is very new (last 5 years). It will be practised in whichever European nation wants to survive.
>>70769591
National Minarchism
It existed under Based Pinochet in Chile.
>>70770582
Are you high?
Nothing you said makes sense
you need to restructure your sentences nigger kid
>>70769591
National-capitalism is an oxymoron. It can't exist.
>>70769591
you can't have one without the other faggot
nationalism works by means of collectivism and unity.
>>70769591
Pinochet in Chile
>>70769591
Free education up to a point makes sense as a nation. Otherwise you perpetuate social differences between people through generations that might be obsolete later.
Giving every child a decent education is a must.
Of course it can only work if the public sector is excellent, it was in France until we got Americanized.
>>70770907
It makes perfect sense you illiterate nigger.
>>70769591
Nationalist Libertarianism famalam, Victorian Britain or 19-20th century America; best society by far
>>70769591
It's called National Liberalism. Basically, it's old school liberalism.
>>70770582
This.
>>70769591
>policy of free education, free healthcare and generous pensions
Why would anyone be against thei best interests?
>>70771943
Here we go....
>>70770917
>>70770969
Canadians really are cancer
>>70769591
that's generic, anti-commie fascism, which is to say, a corporist dictatorship
>>70772019
thanks for the (you) mate. This trip is sure the best idea i had in this hug box.
>>70771943
taxes aren't anyone's best interests. Any fiscaly responsible country has to keep the financial situation stable, if you spend a lot, you tax a lot.
>>70770546
It's impossible for socialism to not be subverted into government worship, which is different from nationalism, which places an emphasis on the people, their culture, and their preservation. Governments destroy no less completely than the globalists who use them as tools.
The people themselves should be the prime movers of any nation. Once they become dependent on the state, rather than the state on them, it's over.
Andrew Jackson was a nationalist that didn't feel the need to throw handouts at bums. It's possible to do.
>>70772126
>>70769591
It absolutely must be the case that the government cannot interfere in the market by means of the constitution
>>70771943
>>70772019
he's right though. if you are working together with your people why'd you not want that?
so your nation-state can be as developed and competitive as the best ones?
that's the whole purpose of the national socialism; hence you can't have one without the other. national socialism is the nation-state against the others while within it everybody works together. it's like a well-oiled machine.
of course, if your country is full of lazy niggers I'd not want it as well. I don't have to pay tyrone's school so he can meet my daughter and bang her.
>>70772120
>>70769591
>as well as the unnecessary and destructive anti-Semitism (Jews make up a disproportionate amount of small business owners)
hello shlomoberg
Germany needed socialism because they were in bankrupcy after WW1
>>70769591
How are you going to be "national" if you don't educate your population and promise them a nice retirement when they're done being your worker drone?
Are you a feminist or something? Having the cake and eating it... fucking retard.
>>70772263
I'm not talking about taxes. I am talking about Free healthcare, free education...
Why would a non-rich citizen be against this?
>>70772382
Jesus Christ Bernie go to bed, how many times in history does it have to be shown that socialist policies are bad news bears
>>70772126
Essentially what we had?
>>70772482
>I'm not talking about taxes. I am talking about Free healthcare, free education.
Holy shit dude.... are you trolling? I hereby admonish you from the League of Barbosas.
>>70769591
>National Capitalism
A capitalistic economy cannot coexist with a nationalistic society.
>>70770058
Old USA, and it worked wonderfully until that kike puppet Woodrow Wilson used the emotions of women to take office and fucked our government for eternity by unleashing the federal reserve on us.
>>70772703
A capitalistic economy can coexist if you regulate it just enough for it to work.
>>70772835
How the absolute hell did the federal reserve make it past congress?
>>70772914
>capitalistic
Just capitalist, anon.
>>70772703
>>70772535
Tbh Socialism was only implemented in corrupt shitty countries.
>>70772671
I am assuming you are thinking that if tomoroow gov would step out of education and healthcare we would pay less taxes.
>>70772914
national socialism. Free enterprise was a thing in nazi germany
>>70772482
The question is: why would a non-retard be against this.
The more educated your population, the better choices. The less of a material gap between rich and poor, the less dissatisfaction.
Why do you think niggers chimp out in the US? Because they're poor. They're hungry. They want iPads.
Socialism is stability and security. It is a safety net that one can always rely on, and it is enlightenment to everyone, rich and poor.
When you grow up knowing that you can become whatever you want, if you work hard for it, people tend to aim for something productive.
When you grow up going hungry, and watching TV through the window of your neighbour, you spend effort on sustaining your own existence, at the cost of teaching yourself valuable skills.
You skip school to make a few, easy greens, to begin with - and from then it's a slippery slope.
>this dons'nt happen my friend is cousin knows a nigger whos doing movies now
Yeah. Your anecdotes and sunshine-stories drown in chimps burning down Detroit, and only a troll would deny that. Even retarded people know this.
Socialism secures its weakest, and allows them the prospect of becoming something more than a junkie in a trailer.
There are literally no alternatives to a prosperous nation. Look at the US and its capitalism. Look at the riots. Tell me; would you live in niggerstan Destroit, next to a drug-dealer, and without central heating? No? Why not? Because you were born rich enough to be sent to college?
Nice. But those born poor, they deserve it, right?
>let them eat cake
American capitalists are literally as dumb as Marie Antoinette!
>>70773062
Also.
/micdrop
>>70773022
>Socialism
Why would anyone want that?
Why didn't we all move onto ordoliberalism yet?
Except the socialism you're familiar with (AKA DUDE FREE SHIT LMAO) isn't the same as that of National Socialism. Hitler still allowed for a relatively "free" market, except he restricted it to what would be the most beneficial for the nation (high tariffs, nationalising industries, etc.), rather than the individual. Complete capitalism allows for globalism, thus rendering Nationalism inapplicable.
>>70772949
bankers drafted it up and managed to convince congress it would help regulate the banks, somehow
the fed is evidence that democracy is self-destructive
>>70772267
>It's impossible for socialism to not be subverted into government worship, which is different from nationalism, which places an emphasis on the people, their culture, and their preservation.
cuck/10
Fascism more than anything else makes the government the organ of the people. In every other system, governments simply governs. Only fascist governments make the explicit effort to forge positive emotional connections between its citizens.
"Government worship" in a fascist system is not different that worshiping the people, because the life of the people becomes intrinsically intertwined with the state.
>>70773062
Well said
>>70773062
>Socialism didnt create the problems youre saying it will solve
>>70769591
So what you want is hardcore fascism while still """capitalist""".
No, that doesn't exist.
>>70773062
This is the best argument I've seen for Socialism
>>70773062
You wanna know why niggers are poor? It's because they can't work. They refuse to work. If they were educated they would still not work. Denmark, why do talk like you know what niggers are? Do you live in America, do you live in Flint?
>>70773022
Yes, that's what I said. I thought you thought that "free" stuff doesn't get taxed on the people. But I'm sure in this country the taxes would stay the same even if they stepped out of healthcare and education, they'd just get rewired to another area.
>>70769591
National Syndicalism is better
NatSoc wasn't socialism in the way you think of it
> unnecessary and destructive anti-Semitism
Lel
>>70772535
socialist policies that are meant to narrow the wealth gap and strengthen the middle class so most people can have a decent standard of living as well as help the economy by means of consumption (generating more jobs and wealth) is good news.
if you want an example look at Scandinavian socialism (disregard sweden because as I said it only works with decent people with the right work ethic)
>>70773338
Are you kidding? The reason people dont work is because of the socialist safety net
>>70772333
why the fuck you want cartels running around?
I'm not talking about the mexican-like thingy, but actual cartel practices (aka monopoly practices made through special deals)
A nationalist government HAS TO serve the best interests of the country, not serving the current aristocracy like a slave.
>>70772571
yep
>>70773193
>democracy
>congress
wat?
>>70773374
When i say free healthcare... i mean tax-payer funded.
>>70773422
Most of the socialist win of the nazi party went with the Strasser brothers
>>70773062
>Socialism secures its weakest, and allows them the prospect of becoming something more than a junkie in a trailer.
Actually, eugenics can do that too without the socialism part.
Yes, it's called Thatcherism
>>70773122
Because capitalism is degenerate as fuck. Everything is about fucking shekels. It’s tragic to think that heroic man’s great destiny is to become economic man, that men will be reduced to craven creatures who crawl across the globe competing for money, who spend their nights dreaming up new ways to swindle each other. That’s the path we’re on now - the path that is the inevitable result of capitalism.
What differentiates socialist countries we've seen from capitalist countries we've seen is the command economy. Which is unnecessary. If you allow people free enterprise, but ensure that there is a generous social net to take care of all the people of the nation, while at the same time using the state as an apparatus to promote the physical, mental, and spiritual health of the people, you will live in a paradise.
>>70772835
By that time, USA was a shitty backwater country, now it's the most powerful in the world. But sure Woodrow Wilson fucked up.
>>70773426
you will always have a temporary boom and a long term bust with implementing socialist policies, why are the Scandinavians reversing all their socialist policies? Maybe because products cost twice as much there as they do anywhere else. You're using the same argument that every socialist uses, fact is it doesnt work that way in real life
Source, AHistoryBook.com
>>70773598
So wanderers that want to wander trying to make the best and trying to fuck over the other guy?
>>70773565
Well I hope you're prepared to fight perpetual civil war against the ones that fail the eugenics test every generation and then have to revolt violently because they live in shit economic conditions and now the man is telling them they can't even have children.
If eugenics is ever going to work, it requires socialism. Because someone that has food on his table is less likely to revolt when they government says "We helped you, now you help the people by getting sterilized".
>>70773347
Hey, I'm not claiming niggers aren't lazy dindus.
But I'm saying, that if you give them a little more handouts they'd be less violent.
It'd still work great to eradicate them, indeed. Along with kikes and mudslimes.
But there are non-nigroid men and women who are unfortunate enough to be born into poverty, and in nations like the US you will not escape that poverty unless scouted out with some inexplicable talent.
Which not every one has. And that is an unnecessary sacrifice - our own kin, dismissed and rejected for doing nothing but being born by the wrong parents.
A nation rich enough to carry its weakest on its shoulders is a powerful nation, a strong nation, and a nation whose population will be thankful.
but the US? How many Americans living in poverty would get out of their couch if their country was invaded? Really... how many of the poorest and weakest of the US population (non-illegal and non-dindus) actually deserve living under such shit-conditions simply for being born?
>>70773565
this isn't Star Trek. Fuck off with your fucking sci-fi nonsense.
>>70773474
I think that there should be a new rule which proposes that anyone who has been on welfare for longer than 3 months should be immediately sanctioned, and have their right to benefits taken away for a period of time (12 - 24 months, unless they're made redundant)
I'd like to see an oligarchic meritocracy, only those who have worked hard and repayed to the state on some level should be allowed to vote/participate in politics. People who have run companies and handled money etc. Obviously non-citzens and 1st-3rd generation immigrants are not allowed.
>>70773886
>the ones that fail the eugenics test every generation
If you do it right there won't be more than one generation ;)
>>70773915
>that if you give them a little more handouts they'd be less violent
No. You give them an inch, they'll take a fucking mile. Fuck that.
>A nation rich enough to carry its weakest on its shoulders is a powerful nation, a strong nation, and a nation whose population will be thankful.
That's forcing me to save them. I can't. I cannot have the burden of the poor on me, the middle class.
>>70773781
Your post is poorly written, so I'm assuming you're saying something like "Capitalism makes people wanderers that move around the world trying to make the best shit so they can outcompete the other people".
Which is bullshit. Capitalism isn't about making the best shit. It's about rigging the market and swindling people in whatever way you can make the most money. It has nothing to do with product value and everything to do with how well you can corner a market, suppress competitors, and extort value [if your product is needed for people to live - and if it's not, you spend millions on ads convincing them they do need it].
>>70773247
>Calling a cuck
Friend, if it were up to me we'd execute every non-white in this nation, and then annex your fake country outright, and then execute anybody who complains, for a stronger, more white North America. It's all in white people's interests to do this.
But handing out free money to the losers of our civilization should not be an option. The weak are not respectable, they're barely even people. They should be left to die and and removed from the gene pool.
Merely breathing the air does not entitle you to continue breathing it.
>>70769591
>destructive anti-Semtism.
Jews benefit from globalism and no borders.
Cuck.
>>70773886
No need for sterilization. Parents are given a form to sign in which they assume 100% responsibility for the defective child. If something bad happens, they're responsible and the government pays no support to them. You'll see how fast they get an abortion.
After a few generations the retards will have been voluntarily removed by all families who have them safe for those religious fanatics.
>>70774047
>implying there would be a fucking point to eugenics if you didn't update your standards of reproduction every generation so that the nation gets smarter and healthier every generation down the line
Apply yourself.
>>70769591
lol, is this what the JIDF has come to? "national capitalism"? kek
>>70770546
>>70769591
This. Nationalism requires the people to work together. The very nature of capitalism will always undermine and erode nationalism.
>>70774389
>He thinks JIDF makes regular posts here
>>70774389
>JIDF wants any kind of nationalism
>You're not JIDF
>>70774047
there are always retards, you can't do much about it in a single swipe.
>>70774216 is right, make retards and other undesirables a liability and soon everyone aborts them unless they really need the child
>>70774170
This is so fucking stupid.
Can't any American think more than one step ahead? Ever?
>i can't
Because what? It's working in Denmark, are you trying to tell me we're that much richer than you? We don't have oil. Stop lying to yourself.
Tax the rich harder, all over the world.
fuck, I can't discuss this with burgers.
BUT let me put it this way:
I work a minimum wage job.
I earn $20/h
I pay 40% in taxes
I earn enough to live in a small apartment, and eat non-McD food every day.
I can even smoke cigs (yes it's stupid, yes it's dumb, yes yes)
I could buy a car, too.
What exactly is it I'm losing out on, burger-anons? What exactly is it I'd get more of if I moved to the US?
I have a smart-phone, a gaming computer, a laptop. At minimum wage job. Paying 41% taxes.
What exactly is it I'm getting stolen off of me?
Oh! And if I contract cancer I won't lose my home. Just putting that out there... no insurance, and a minimum wage job, but IF I get cancer I don't lose my home.
If I spawned offspring I could send them to college. For 'free'. What am I missing? Why is America greater?
>>70774187
>Yes! Good goy! Kill all your fellow whites and work hard to concentrate the shekels in the hands of the rich!
Literally kill yourself. You're the exact kind of person that Hitler would gas in a fucking second. There is more to life than snorting fucking shekels. The life of a people is in its art. It's in its culture. Its music and its architecture and its traditions and values passed down for a thousand years. Its in the shared blood that runs through the veins of its people. Not in the ability of the few to grub up shekels and swindle the best like some goddamn jew.
>/pol/ now hates capitalism
Not surprising, after all most of you guys are retards who will never account for anything in your life, you just want a nanny state giving you money and a 2D japanese waifu
Disgusting, what has happened to /pol/ ? To see socialist garbage in here makes my blood boil.
>>70769591
There's nothing wrong with safety net programs for your own people (not maoris)
But I agree, full blown socialism is a bad idea
>>70774511
Because I'm not getting taxed so Billy-bob the degenerate paint sniffer can fucking get high and fuck his sister.
>>70774544
>greece complaining about handouts
Fucking lol.
>Disgusting, what has happened to /pol/ ? To see socialist garbage in here makes my blood boil.
Go suck a jew dick. Don't you have some fellow whites to swindle?
>>70774187
If every non-white was killed there'd be no need for welfare.
>>70774544
newfags have no idea what they are talking about, all 12 year olds; when will Marxism just die?
no, if you don't like a culturally homogeneous nation providing good education for its people and support for them to help become productive citizens, and investment in strong communities to make life better for the average worker as long as he is willing to contribute to the nation, then fuck off with your libertarian friends to somalia or antarctica.
>>70774511
Guns
>>70774677
Yes you are. you are still paying taxes Clettus
>>70774677
>one guy in some trailer park fucked his sister
>ABLOOBLOOBLOO FUCK EVERYONE IN MY COUNTRY
>>70774882
And it's fucking disgusting.
>>70769591
What do you think we're trying to do with Trump, senpai?
>>70774267
Well beside the fact that my post was a joke, yours is bullshit, or else nazi germany would have practiced eugenics with no point since they only wanted to go full aryan race.
>>70774544
We don't hate capitalism. We just don't think that unchained capitalism could ever work for our nation self interests.
And what is so bad about a nanny state? I don't see you in the middle of the woods hunting rabbits with clubs
>>70774745
you obviously never had socialism entrenched in your country.
It's all fun and games until the old are eating from the kids plate and the kids are left starving. In other words: socialism NEEDS a ever growing population, and idealy the old people die quickly. otherwise, the costs of maintaining the system are just too much to handle
>>70774544
most people want the support they need to best become productive citizens who can contribute to their nation. a lot of the time this includes access to education, responsible unemployment benefits to deal with short-term economic unemployment so a dynamic market system can work stably, accident/disability insurance to take the burden off families and so that everyone can live in a nation where people are well cared for, etc.
the point is to have this in a culturally homogeneous nation so people only take temporary help to improve themselves and improve the contributions they are able to make, not create some global capitalist cultural/ethnic hodgepodge where everyone is trying to leech on everyone else and get one over on everyone else (the rich do this as much as the poor, even more, look at bankers).
>>70773062
>free education means people are better educated
this is your premise and it's heavily flawed
>>70769591
>I don't agree with Hitler's policy of free education, free healthcare and generous pensions
You're a retard
Oh wait
>Kiwi
ignored
Reminder that socialism is a ponzi scheme that requires mass immigration to support the welfare of everybody, which will then require bigger migration until collapse
>>70774882
I don't need guns. No one here shoots at civilians.
Not convinced, try again.
>>70775090
STFU. Our socialist years were the best we had.Now that our economical policies are shifting to neo-liberal we are getting fucked in the ass
>>70775082
The problem is that many people in this thread think capitalism is a jewish boogeyman or shit like that.
I'm not against safety nets for the really poor so that they don't become criminals, but it has to be done correctly.
>>70775172
Free access to education, and supporting those who study whilst they do so, so that they may focus on studies rather than three jobs @ 40+ hours a week, is a VERY strong and decent standard to set for one's nation.
There will always be dindus who fuck shit up (unless we eradicate them, which I fully support the idea of).
But bottom line: Denmark works. America doesn't. Be more like Denmark and less like America.
>>70775209
>wanting gibmedats
of course youre brown
>>70775407
So a be small populated country that never had to do shit to make the land tamable?
>>70775274
I know, i was just antecipating a answer by fellow burgers.
>>70775323
No one thinks that you retard. Stop taking your opinions straight out of some libertarians forum. Very few commun ists are actually communists. We simply want that free enterprise be used to enrich our societies, and not some globalist without allegiance
>>70774544
GREECE LOLOL KEKEK
>>70773764
Globalisation fucked up the entire Western world, not 'socialism'.
What 'socialism' here means, aka the creation of a safety net so that a middle class can grow (and similarly those who want to leech off the welfare are to be left to die, you must DESERVE the welfare): this model led to the most economically prosperous era of the White world.
Nationalism means also, and most importantly, to overcome the worshipping of profit that is the essence of capitalism: money shouldn't be the only thing that matters, community, ethnic union and fraternity, moral and personal values are fundamental too.
Capitalism fundamentally aims at profit, it doesn't matter if in the process of getting it you fuck up the nation (i.e. outsourcing, destroying social rights, importing shitskins to lower salaries etc), only money,money money in a consumerism that does nothing but destroy everything that is the foundation of society, i.e. family and social cohesion.
If you can read this and go beyond 'muh berniefag muh commie muh yuropoor' then it'd be great.
>>70775486
>So a be small populated country
What does this even mean?
Is this the stalest RNC meme? What as the size of the country have anything to do with it?
>>70774982
Except Nazi Germany did more than sterilized niggers and halfniggers. They sterilized retards, faggots, jews, and so on. Their eugenics program had the long term goal of making the Aryan race as healthier and fit as possible. So to think they'd just one-off it instead of having an ongoing constant program doesn't make sense.
>>70775090
Socialism needs either a growing population, or a technologically advanced state. The former supports their parents by giving a portion of their labor to look after them. The latter provides automated labor and makes a large labor class unnecessary.
So sure, socialism will fail if you live in the 1960s and no one is having any kids because you live in ebin glorious atheist USSR. It wouldn't fail today, because low fertility doesn't matter when your shrinking labor class is replaced by the massive automation we have the ability to create.
>>70775273
Not really. Nazi Germany (would have) used eastern slave labor, USSR or China used prisoner workforce, taxing rich people can be another way. There are many ways to socialism, it works as long as you keep redistributing wealth, or as long as you keep cheap workforce to sustain needs of true citizens. Or both.
>>70775273
what is automation for 100 points ahmed
>>70773062
>When you grow up knowing that you can become whatever you want, if you work hard for it, people tend to aim for something productive.
Except that this is guranteed to every poor person in the US. If niggers don't go to the library to teach themselves engineering then they grow up to be niggers. The decision to do nothing all day has nothing to do with how much welfare the nigger has.
>>70775288
>Our socialist years were the best we had.
NO FUCKING SHIT SHERLOCK.
Too bad we had to loan money to pay for that, and then we had to take more loans to keep the system AND pay past interest
AND THEN our creditors came and made an ultimatum: either pay your debts or we stop loaning right now
The 90's were golden, the 00's were half decent as well. But now we have 30 years of loans to pay toghether with all the interest acumulated (we're paying interest over interest by now)
>>70775625
>a massive fuck huge country that managed to do whatever to make the land tamable
>>70773062
>actually believing denmark is a socialist country
Your country is a capitalist country you fucking retard.
There is a difference between social democracy and socialism. Social democracy is capitalism, with some handouts. Socialism and capitalism are inherently different economic systems.
>>70775486
Fucking burgers. DO YOU SPEAK. THE ENGLISH?
>>70775520
kek
>>70775742
Again you mention the dindus.
I'm talking about non-dindus. Non-trash.
We can (probably all) agree that dindus are worthless and, per default, should be eradicated.
But let's try to stick to the point here? OP asked why socialism is good, and I gave an answer.
>>70775754
It is most certainly more of a socialist paradise than any other nation on this planet. I'm not going to discuss this with someone so pedantic as you.
>>70775927
>that .
What are you doing?
>>70775748
I forgot to add, both socialists (PS) and liberals (PSD) supported populist/socialist politics nad are both responsible by the shit we have now
>>70772703
/thread :^)
>>70770907
>>70771253
can agree, it makes a lot of sense but could only work with a very strong ideological and propaganda sidework or it will get drowned out. As the burger demonstrated most people need simpler words.
>>70775748
Our debt was something like 60% before 2008. We had below average (EU average) debt before 2008.
Our debt is not because of loans and loans to keep the system.
>>70775753
You do know that literally 99.9% of northern european land was not arable up until +- 1000 years ago? And endless pine forests are not suitable for human life. Not to mention the cold.´
>>70776028
I will never understand one day how come those 2 parties still exist.
>>70769591
Pretty much agree Aussie, Socialism blows but the Nationalism wasn't too bad.
>>70773660
Yeah, a shitty backwater on the verge of industrial revolution and having just finished the panama canal. Our culture emphasized personal freedom and personal responsibility, and everybody except blacks were happy.
Now our country is an aggressive military industrial complex which places more value on security than freedom, and our economy is controlled by a privileged few rather than by the people. We have no control over the direction our country takes, we're taxed into oblivion because bureaucracy/greed, and our freedoms are slowly being eroded away to fight the boogie-man in the east. You're right. We're so much better off now, being at "the top".
Kys, useful idiot.
>>70776414
And literally know that in America we managed to tame the fucker.
>>70769591 (OP) #
Look up Marcos Perez Jimenez, Venezuelan Dictator, best national capitalism ever
>>70776414
>Our debt was something like 60% before 2008.
actually 70%. And yes, the jump was mostly due to blantant stealing (as miticas PPPs do socrates que depois tiveram que ser canceladas para evitar algo ainda pior) and not increased social spending.
But you seem to forgot that we can't close the economy (as to aply keynesian economics), not only that but EU has been forcing us to reject certain deals that obviously hurt the economy. But they also pumped in a lot of money and allow us to lend money at germanies rates (we joined the EU because Soares couldn't take more loans with our rates).
And right now, we pay an exorbitant amount of taxes (that is killing us, the middle class) to support a system. If we took away all loan related spending, our financial balance would be even, I can admit that. But for that we are squishing those who are in the stepping stone to become well off, while rewarding those who don't do anything at all.
>I will never understand one day how come those 2 parties still exist.
Special interests, and all the other parties are like that. We have 0 people in the parliement defending the interests of the comon folk. Hopefuly the death of the founders will sew chaos into the aristocracy
>>70777878
>If we took away all loan related spending
This.
>But for that we are squishing those who are in the stepping stone to become well off, while rewarding those who don't do anything at all.
We think alike. Rendimento social de inserçao i never understood why that actually exists other then to feed fucking sipsies and niggers. We are also subzidizing a very bad and imconpetent corporate class. Our corruption is Russia style. This country needs a shake. We should have went bankrupt
>>70778330
going bankrupt would mean yet another decade of hunger and sufering. And it's not like the loans aren't there, we'll just pretend they don't exist for practical purposes (because we won't pay them ever)
And with the current status quo we cannot affort to be weak for the next years, too risky
>>70769591
I agree with the first part, but Jewish hatred is necessary. Don't fall victim to the kike lies, buddy
>>70778933
But a bankrupcy would mean a clear up of our established elites. They would be replaced by new, younger and more capable people
>>70770546
>I don't know what nationalism is: the post
>>70769591
What a shill and liar you are. He created Israel. Can't be more semitic than that. But also anti semitic because you ignored God and put them in a tinderbox. You don't like socialism because it helps crackers. You only like zionist leeches. There is no nationalism in zionism and he was the biggest zionist there is or was. Just like Donald Duckface
>>70772482
Here's the thing: it's never free. Somebody is always paying for it. Sure, it might not be you, but somebody is paying for your Healthcare, most likely a fellow citizens by way of taxation.
>national capitalism
that was Hitler's policy until 1939.
>>70769591
>I like Nationalism, but not Socialism, for obvious reasons.
So you love your nation, but don't want to help the people (which are the nation). You're a hypocritical fool.
>>70771372
More like Nationalist-Imperialist-Libertarian
>>70779107
>But a bankrupcy would mean a clear up of our established elites
lolno. Remember Ricardo Salgado from BES?, his family got exiled and his property in portugal was seized by the state (PREC was savage), and yet he managed to rebuild the empire in his lifetime
Others were indeed banished for good, but a fair share of our current elite is there from before the fall of the regime. During bankrupcies the rich don't get affected in the slightest, they can move abroad if things are dire enough to threaten them.
>>70779369
>American being retard
Who would thought of it. But yes, everyone understands that. Free means tax payer funded.
But retards that buy up all /pol/ memes that think that "libruls tank mounay goms aute ob trays!!!!" should be killed on sight
>>70779494
>So you love your nation, but don't want to help the people (which are the nation). You're a hypocritical fool.
Whats that Bastiat quote again?
>>70774187
>Merely breathing the air does not entitle you to continue breathing it.
sheeeeiiiit that's a nice one liner to say as i'm raping and killing your sister
>>70769591
KILL YOURSELF NEOCOHEN SCUM
