>>70765456
Christian sectarianism
>>70765456
good times, good times long before those mudslimes. Plundering right when the king died, the væringer/varangians(those who stayed, don't listen to jewpedia) lived the lyfe.
>>70765936
>>70765456
Because last time we started with Bosnia USA bombarded.
Turdkey is protected by NATO otherwise Russians would wipe them out long ago.
gonna go make food to lazy to remember / read what the tag said. Just xxx wuz here
They liked miklagarð and not just sacking it.
Earls actually sent people to study by these christian men both here and in raumaborg(rome)
>>70766235
earls sent *sons* to study
"never have I seen men take so easy to the sword over unjust causes"
>>70765456
Go take it, no one is stopping you.
>>70765918
romanos was a disgrace. he is not even worth being a meme. the whole world had to suffer for 1 thousand years (and perhaps more) because of his incompetence.
>>70765456
you can unironically thank the eternal anglo for this.
catherine the great of russia wanted to expand russia to the bosporus, but the anglo intervened.
>>70766143
I am genuinely sorry about this
>>70765456
Soon.
>>70766527
>what is NATO
>>70766729
>>70766143
Are Bosnians as bad as Turks? Sure they're mudslimes but they seem pretty secular. Are they radicals? How did the feud between Bosnians and Serbs start?
>>70765456
You got cucked by the overwhelming force of allah. Stay mad you fat fucks
>>70767001
>soldiers of turan
aint those turkish? why would they fight against turkey?
>>70767151
>seem secular
Google Republic of Serbia, autonomous territory inside of Bosnia. Secular Bosnians call themselves Serbs.
>how did it all start
Bosnians fired the first bullet. This is a fact and should be easy to google.
>how bad
They are muslims, what do you think? They name themselves achmad, mustafa, jamal, abdulahi etc, and try to destroy European values and European culture, in fucking Europe of all places. We just told them to fuck off to middle east and they got butthurt, put on muslim pajamas and grabbed machine guns, even called a whole army of foreign fighters from the middle east.
Its only because of their incompetence you hear "war crimes", "genocide", and "muh innocent women and children". 80% of the slaughtered were military aged males found in various active war zones.
>>70765456
You mean Orthodox? I mean, if they claim they're the greatest, why don't they reclaim it?
>>70767731
What about these guys? they seem pretty white to me.
>>70767930
Bosnian does not equal Bosniak.
>>70766143
This, fuck Clinton
>>70767801
Because you fucks bomb us. United States and everything related to that blacked country is the enemy of actual white people.
>>70768207
Maybe you fucks should of became insurgents.
Maybe you fucks should of became terrorists.
>>70768207
Hey stop grouping us all together. You think all of us like Muslims?
>>70767930
I want to say they're from Republika Srpska but all the ones I've encountered just root for Serbia.
Also some palefaces were willingly cucked by the Turks when they invaded the Kingdom of Bosnia and started calling themselves Mohammad and Mustafa instead of Sergei and such.
>>70768688
>Sergei
We have literally all but that one. Boris, Ivan, Nikola..
>>70768939
Do you know what a Srbosjek is?
Constantinople and Jerusalem will be reclaimed in the coming race war.
>>70765456
they don't "allow" us to occupy, its not like they have never tried to take it back
istanbul is turkish now, it has been turkish since before your joke of a global power nation was conceived through the orgy of pasty european peasants, hell it was turkish long before americas were discovered by europeans
so come back and take it if you dare, through blood we have taken your """""holy""""""" city and only through blood you shall have it back
you filthy burgerbitch
>>70767001
>israel on all sides
>>70769602
The west will crush you Turkroach. The legions of Christ will march victorious once again on the streets of Constantinople.
>>70766625
but most of the army survived Manziket and the peace that he made with Alp Arslan lost Aleppo and Edessa but left central Anatolia intact.
It was the revolts against him after he was released that threw the empire into years of civil war and the Turks, uncontrolled by their government, flowed in to the vacuum of imperial authority
>>70769602
Before '22 it was mostly greek, armenian, jewish, and yes, also turkish, it was only completely turkified in the 50s after decades of pogroms and stupid laws targetting christians.
>>70770809
you are so fucking delusional hot damn
armies of Christ will kiss the feet of refugees and turks will reign supreme in these lands for another millenia
you will literally be fucked out of existance in 100 years
>>70770809
>all those delusions
lmao underage
>>70771135
>turkish republic has laws targetting christians
source?
also the perpetrator of the pogrom(prime minister) and his croneys were all executed
>>70771147
Half of your country is literally in the stone age, muslims are objectively inferior and closer to animals than to Christian Europeans.
>whole muslim world
>all oil money in the world
>0 nobel prizes
>0 people in space
>0 diseases cured
>completely tribal inferior shitholes outside of tourist zones (tourist zones for white people lmao)
Yeah you animals are closer to africans than actual people, Christian world is in capacity to destroy you from existence and it isnt doing so just because of charity. But soon enough no one is going to tolerate your bullshit.
>>70771662
>all oil money in the world
>>70765456
There is no longer a Christendom. The word isn't even used anymore except in a historical context.
We made the mistake of eating their shitty roach pork
>>70767001
>israel
I actually am ok with actual Turks. NOT sand nigger Kurds though. I really Turkey would just let there be a Kurdistan, cut Turkey's population by 20%, leave a more liberal western Anatolia, and then joining the EU would be much less of an issue.
>>70766143
This... Based Slobo cucked by the first black US president
>>70772230
>joining eu
over my dead body
also out about 10 million of those 15 million kurds don't even live in the south-east
they are actually migrating west again, hopefully this time they will migrate into europe instead of istanbul
>>70772230
i actually want k*rdistan to happen so we can declare war and eradicate those people w/o having to care about """civilians""" with ak47s(if they don't remove themselves because of tribe wars)
>>70772378
>over my dead body
Deal :^)
Serbs and Turks should not fight against each-other. They are brothers
>>70772566
There is actually truth to this. Serbs made up the most important statesmen and soldiers of the Ottoman Empire.
Come home Narcoman. Accept your effendis and we will make you rule your rightful Balkan clay again.
>>70772764
Also this?
>>70767001
I'm not sure what's more hilarious Israel or extreme butt hurt being an outcome
>>70772566
i can agree to this, serbs served as a valuable ottoman vassal/subject for hundreds of years. much more valuable than the likes of greeks and arabs
too bad they have lost their minds after the americans bombed their shit though, kinda like all other countries americans have bombed over the years
>>70772991
just seems like common balkanape propaganda, i doubt there is any reality to that
>>70767731
Jesus Christ dude stop shilling.
We weren't Satans like they presented us in media but this dindunuffin bullshit is pathetic. It was s mostly nationalist conflict and those radicals you speak of appeared during and after the war.
>secular Bosnians call themselves Serbs
You never even visited Bosnia did you?
>>70772764
What do we get out of it? You people go around raping, murdering, being 1000s of years backwards etc.. there's literally nothing in it for us. Our way of life makes much more sense and is billion of times more enjoyable.
You have too much arab/muslim influence and you are ugly as fuck while also being short, fuck off.
>>70773399
Are Montenegrins basically the same as Serbs?
>>70772566
These Serbian generals now call themselves Bosniaks
>>70772991
That's retarded. Orthodox people weren't some slaves, we had rights and local self-rule in later period.
Besides, even if rape happened, "Turks" of Balkans were fucking Slavs who converted. 95% of them didn't even speak Turkish, only elite did.
It's seriously embarassing how even people here don't know basic history.
>>70773661
They are NATO aligned today and therefore cant be Serbs. You have actual Serbs in actual Serbia wishing for their deaths, so they cant be Serbs. If you define Serb as a political thing than Montenegrins cant be Serbs.
>>70773661
Not basically, we are Serbs.
>>70773863
Why are you not in Serbia than?
Checkmate.
ubiti muslimane i vratit slavu srpskom bogu
>>70773661
They're both cockroaches that should be stomped out of existence.
>>70773787
Let me make it easy
Times ago the borders didnt exisisted in the balkans and people like to fuck.
Everyone is mixed except isolated villages
>>70773843
>They are NATO aligned today
Government is, and some people. Majority aren't. You really know little about politics here.
>therefore cant be Serbs
Politics don't change ethnicity.
>actual Serbs in actual Serbia
Half literally have roots from Montenegro.
Are you autistic or something?
Is it cause I disagreed with you so now you're butthurt about everyone here? Don't worry, plenty will agree with bullshit you spew.
In any case, you pretend you know a lot but you really know little. You're some guy who probably never even left Serbia, judging by your ''secular Bosnians are Serbs'' and ''Montenegrins support NATO''.
>>70774088
jel ti boluješ od autizma dečko?
>>70774301
>everyone is mixed
not with Central Asian Turks
who didn't even really exist as a genetically distinct population in 15th century, outside of small remnants in Anatolia who never came to Balkans
I'm just saying this ''Turks raped Balkans so that's why they are brown'' idiocy doesn't have any backing in historical reality
>>70774301
>Times ago the borders didnt exisisted in the balkans and people like to fuck
The fact that you're some pervert frenchie tells me you're projecting your own lust-filled views onto Serbs.
>>70765456
Crusading wasn't as popular as it was, people thought it was corrupt by then. Still they tried
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusade_of_Varna
If it wasn't for protestants tearing apart Europe, eventually their technological superiority would have allowed Europe to crush the Turks once and for all.
T..thanks Martin Luther
Why did Montenegro split from Serbia?
>>70774646
he's right though, Balkans are mixed as fuck, there are no genetic Serbs or Croats or Muslims or shit like that
>>70772991
confirmed rumors
>>70774646
There are three typeS of T*rks:
>Balkanian T*rk
>Arabs T*rk
>Mixed T*rk
>>70774621
turks actually went over to the balkans, some fought for ottomans as border raiders, other turks settled in ottoman cities
you guys basically killed&deported all turks in the balkans during the balkan wars and afterwards though, also destroyed all ottoman heritage from the region
>>70774301
>everyone is mixed
Its hard to explain just with words, but so easy to explain just with your 2 eyes. No, no one wanted to mix with turks. They are short. They are ugly. There are still popular sayings such as "ugly as a turk" or "smelly as a turk" etc. No one in their right mind would want to breed with a turk and have a less than optimal children.
Pic related is height, an easy difference to spot.
So as soon as we got back at our feet we wiped them out of here. If that wasnt the case we would be of similar height, but there's ton of other differences. Some are harder to quantify, like intelligence for example.
Do Yugoslavs ever miss Tito?
>>70775204
Typical Algerian/French twink has a fetiš of mixing with Islamic people
>>70774787
basically it all started after WW1
you see there were two Serb dynasties, one here and one in Serbia
both pretended to unite Serbs
after WW1 Montenegrin dynasty was BTFO by Serbian dynasty, and some people (former elite) didn't like that so there was a short revolt where dozens of people died, basically a meme affair
there were some repercussions later, but basically it was nothing
so out of this (with Italian backing, Italian Queen was from here), developed some crude ''Montenegrin'' nationalism supported by few
in WW2 they tried to build a puppet state and people blew them the fuck out with the biggest revolt in Europe at that time
after the war, local communist chief decided that while we're Serbs, we developed separately so we should be separate state
later when Tito kicked him out he realized he was a useful idiot and became Serb again
in 90's this ''Montenegrin'' idea appeared again due to decades of communist brainwashing and generally as a reaction to the shit that was going around us
so local commie chief (who's still ruling) realizes Milošević will get BTFO so he switches from a Serb nationalist (he was die-hard commie before) to Montenegrin ''nationalist''
basically rigs all the voting and intimidates opposition with American backing
in 2006 Americans finally approve so in a rigged referendum we separate
basically only reason Montenegro existed and exists right now is to deny Serbia sea-access
of course there are some legitimate deluded ''Montenegrins'', but majority simply kiss the boot, privately they're Serbs
this is a very small community so shit like this can work, we're basically a mafia state, and the head of mafia is our prime minister (who's ruling for 27 years exactly)
this is a non-state
>>70774671
Truth
>>70765456
Constantinople was the capital of degeneracy.
>>70765456
Why murrifat you protect turkroach in OTAN ?
>>70775287
some Turks did, but by then those Turks were basically converted Anatolians, we're talking about 15th century
those ''Turks'' we expelled were overwhelmingly Slavic converts who didn't even speak Turkish
>destroyed all Ottoman heritage
some was destroyed but that's not true, plenty of old mosques and bridges remain for example
>>70775349
>They are short. They are ugly
True
But you forget they kidnapped countless thousands of balkan youngs
>>70775773
>OTAN
French isn't a lingua franca anymore except for monkeys in Africa, Ahmed
>>70775824
more relevant event was expulsion of Muslims in 19th century
at that time Anatolia had several million people, it wasn't as populous as today
but in general those Turks were converted Anatolians, so Greeks practically
>>70775782
i hate linking wiki but couldn't find the old page i had
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Ottoman_Muslims#Destruction_of_Muslim_heritage
bridges remain because they are useful,
this is perhaps funny coming from a turk, call me a roach if you want, but you guys totally chimped out and destroyed most of the heritage we had in the balkans. libraries, baths, kervansarays etc
out of the 20k ottoman structures, %93-95 have been destroyed since the 1800s
>>70775824
You do realize whole legions of Janisaries and the fact that this region doesnt speak turk testifies that, at some point (Serbian uprising to be precise), these entire armies said something like 'hol up', figured stuff out, organized, and exterminated all the turks and turkish influence they could find.
Only people who didnt figure this out yet are bosniaks, and in this region we have tons of jokes about them being stupid anyway.
>>70776437
why would I call you roach, that is correct
but Muslim persecution had political reason back then, don't forget, Ottoman Empire still wasn't dead, and nationalism was appearing
Balkans were like 50% Muslim
>>70776437
......why would we keep any of that shit? it just reminded us of the most shameful thing that has ever happened to us in entire history, occupation by the enemy we found disgusting at all levels
culturally disgusting, religiously disgusting, linguisticly disgusting, fashion disgusting, food/culinary disgusting, aesthetically disgusting........
half of the serbs today feel like shit and abandon serbia when they get education, because serbia was once conquered by disgusting turks
>>70776956
you have "Turkish" mentality you speak of
>>70776766
i blame the russian influence over the whole movement for the persecution of the muslims, they did the same thing in circassia not even 100 years ago, they probably promoted the same ideas in the balkans
>>70776956
>culturally disgusting, religiously disgusting, linguisticly disgusting, fashion disgusting, food/culinary disgusting, aesthetically disgusting........
well the structures you hate so much were in ottoman style indeed
ie byzantine architectural style, with a tiny bit of eastern persian influence. you essentially erased byzantine style buildings from your country that could have been tourist attractions in the future
>>70771147
>>70771243
What does it feel like to live in a 3rd world tier country?
>>70777221
it wasn't Russians
you see, majority of population here was uneducated peasants, and that meant leaders too
plenty of Muslims were wealthy people
so it was violent ''redistribution'' of wealth
my family for example got their land by taking it from Muslims and expelling them, we have (had) shitload of land
and those monuments, well, not that much was built in Balkans, Balkans were really shitty during Ottoman rule, mainly because central government was very weak and power here was held by local converts who were usually corrupt and brutal as fuck
when Serbs revolted in 1804, Sultan supported them because he didn't control Serbia in reality, he hoped they will dispose of Janissaries who took power
>>70776956
>>70777435
let me even provide an example
on the right is hagia sophia in byzantine style; except for the added minarets and repairs to some internal damage it was preserved from the conquest of constantinople. even some of the ancient mosaics are still in one shape inside
on the left the blue mosque, built at a later date in ottoman architectural style
This needed to be done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsQrKZcYtqg
>>70777964
Ottoman architectural style derived heavily from Byzantine
remove minarets, add a cross on the top and you have a church
>>70777964
well I honestly find turks ugly and I honestly just cant stand islam, its just so fucking disgusting that I have no words to describe
I mean it is clearly emotional choice and not rational one, hell maybe it would even be better for us if we decided to support the ottoman rule thing but if I lived in that time period I could just never do it, I would go and die a hundred times if I have to just for the opportunity to kill every single turk I could find and return things to stuff I like (slavic language, christianity, tall and beautiful people, orthodox churches, our own food, culture and customs, etc)
>>70777820
Not them but Western Turkey is pretty much 1st world. Especially Istanbul and shit. Been there four times.
>>70777925
>you see, majority of population here was uneducated peasants, and that meant leaders too
well that is the fault of the ottomans, they never gave two shits to education of the people for some reason
>muslims in the balkans were wealthy
interesting, it was the opposite in anatolia. greeks were wealthy because they had taken over the merchant class from the jews
>because central government was very weak and power here was held by local converts
yeah well the centralization of the government was in the reforms of the later ottoman empire, but they were some 200 years late
not only that decentralization caused problems in corruption as the central government lost power, it also caused a lot of unstoppable and painful revolts as ideas like nationalism rose up
i blame the later sultans for the lack of reforms, previously during the good years of the empire sultans would enact reforms on the empire to keep with the times
as the cage system was introduced the sultans of the ottoman empire became increasingly weak and incompetent in the later eras of the empire which meant that they couldn't enforce reforms to strong organizations like the janissary corps even if they wanted to
>>70778436
can you please fuck off and spread your autism somewhere else
>tall and beautiful people
we look same as we looked 1000 years before you mouthbreather
majority of us are native Balkanites who got Slavicized
and we preserved most of culture and customs too
you really have zero idea about culture and history of your own people, stop embarrassing yourself
>>70778436
Filthy s*rb gtfo from holland then. Too many ugly disgusting fucking serbians here. You guys are violent and rude too. Turks, serbs, i want you all gone.
>>70778755
t, mehmet
>>70778436
you seem to be filled with some irrational hatred it seems to me
well i am a half a turk half caucasian and not muslim if that makes you feel any better lol
>>70778824
I want turks gone too, fucking idiot. Holland is for the dutch.
>>70778591
>well that is the fault of the ottomans
yep
after 16th century Ottoman Empire started disintegrating into a loose collection of feudal properties
>it was the opposite in anatolia
there was wealthy Christians here too of course, but in general it was Muslims
>i blame the later sultans for the lack of reforms
I'd go even deeper actually
even though Ottomans tried hard to discard that, and did everything they could to appear like some supreme noble dynasty, they began as Turkic tribe, nomad conquerors
some of their customs, like brother killing brother, Sultan always being a half-slave (due to his mother), court intrigue and shit was awful
also don't forget women of the court ruled for several decades
and finally, they adopted a lot of Byzantine culture and Byzantine court culture was also similar and pretty degenerated at that time
some Sultans were great leaders so they controlled all this, and some Grand Viziers did the same, but in general system was highly fucked up
>>70778895
hoezo schrijf je "s*rb" in plaats van serb, zogenaamd echte nl
donder dan zelf op wc schoonmaker
>>70767056
as if you serbs had a chance vs turkey alone
>>70771662
>>70779280
t, mehmet
toilet cleaning diasporas out europe now
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>70779537
can't you people see he's autistic
>>70778718
You arent even a Serb tho, check your flag.
>>70779280
I am fairly certain Greeks and Russians would support us, just like they have for 1500 years, hell maybe even countries like Bulgaria and Romania would also join if it wasnt for NATO shutting it down in Bosnia.
>>70778755
I am literally living in Serbia tho. Its mostly our criminals that go there because your police is so shit and they cant steal anything here. Get a better police you fag.
>>70767731
fuck off kike
>>70779102
>in general system was highly fucked up
i agree completely, but their system had one good point
even though a civil war and instability every time a sultan died was terrible, it ensured that the strongest leader won, kinda like natural selection. the prince with the most political backers and the best military knowledge often won, which meant that the sultan was powerful before he was even crowned
the ottomans should have picked up some of the nobility and court systems from the europeans indeed, but i think a problem there was that there weren't any noble families they could marry into(except for crimeans and some other turkic groups) unlike the europeans
honestly i really want to learn more about these histories, its on my list to learn ottoman turkish just to look at raw documents from the ottomans and latin because why not
ITT: Montenigger unironically siding with the turk diaspora against serbia
>>70779675
>muh alllies
if greece and russia supports you,
pakistan azerbaijan, all turkic states and many more muslim states would support turkey
doesnt change the fact that vs turkey alone serbia would get smashed within a week
>>70779915
sometimes that happened, but most often powers behind the throne picked the worst candidate they could control
>there weren't any noble families they could marry into
well you had powerful Muslim families in the empire, but yeah it was different compared to European system
>>70779932
>spanish
aren't you 30% arab?
pedro, even most mexicans and other south americans are whiter than you spanish
>>70765456
Russian diplomats told Turkey that in return for Constantinople they'll stop flying over their land.
Based Orthodox got it covered.
>>70780039
yeah well, whatever, trying is all that matters
they did come here and killed a bunch of people you know
>>70779932
there's more to life than ''siding'' with people on Chinese chopstick review website
this Turk is interesting and knows what he's talking about, while this guy from Serbia is autistic neckbeard who thinks we were tall Aryan gods before Ottomans came
>>70780158
>even most mexicans and other south americans are whiter than you spanish
>he claims spaniards are 30% arab
>the offspring of an indian + 1/3 arabs spanish are whiter
i like the teachins about genetics you got in your madrasa mehemet
>>70780149
>powers behind the throne picked the worst candidate
ah yes, the hanim sultans liked to poison other princes to put their sons on the throne etc
they also liked to de-facto control the empire as valide sultan during the "womens sultanate" period. subsequently this is where the ottoman stagnation started lol
also after the 1400s the power went to the ottomans heads i think
the royal family seems to have thought that everybody else was below them
even just how they address the european kings as an equal not to themselves, but to their vivizers and even governors is an evidence to this
>>70780222
checked
well sounds like more propaganda to me
also didn't we shoot down a russian drone over turkey just recently
>>70775287
>ottoman heritage
I am laughing so hard.
NIGGRA YOU WERE A BUNCH OF FUCKING HORSE RIDERS WITH NO CULTURE TO BEGIN WITH! YOU GOT LUCKY!!
MONGOLIA WILL RISE AGAIN AND WILL KICK YOUR ASS AGAIN AS THEY DID WITH THAT SELJUK SHIT!!
NIGGA GO TO SLEEP !!
>>70780972
harem was biggest bullshit though
dealing with one women in your life is hard, dealing with dozens is hell
>even just how they address the european kings as an equal not to themselves
they even hated being referred to as Turks, because in their mind at that time, Turks were some nomadic barbarians, while they were rulers of half of the world
how funnily things evolve
>>70781580
>>70781580
>dealing with dozens is hell
not to mention that there was internal struggle between these women to become the sultans favorite as well
>they hated being called turks
that is wrong actually, the sultans refer to themselves as turks and khans quite a lot
the quote people keep posting here that talks about the "turks running around" is actually about the yoruk turkmens, ottomans hated them quite a lot after the celali revolts as they were everywhere in the empire causing problems
well this was fun, i'm out
>>70771147
Hey turkroach, what's gonna happen when the kurds take the eastern half of your country in the next 50 years?
Any of you with the means are fleeing to the west, and those without are having kids at European levels while the kurds are breeding like actual muslims.
>>70765456
As a Christian, I couldn't care less when it comes to who lives where. It's all irrelevant in comparison to Christ and the Gospel.
>>70780972
It was a political farce. It was an old joke from a while ago the diplomats made months ago.
But I'm just saying religion is a driving force in Russian action. Patriarchs told Putin to protect the Christians and he's doing the best he can without the west QQing.
