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> conservashits
The correct term is cuckservatives.
DUDE FREE STUFF LMAO
>fair share
Aaaaaaaaand dropped
>>70751888
Or conservacucks
>>70751806
>comparing free l-12 to free college
Yeah totally the same thing.
After all, just look at the amazing state of our k-12 systems. Surely the state would continue to properly fund the dozens of universities with multi million dollar laboratories and research centers when they can't even fund fucking school lunches at elementary level.
Apparently Bernie is unsure of how any of this can be accomplished.
>>70751806
free college education in theory is possible, but you have to remember that high school and college education are run in very different ways. making college education free for all citizens will downgrade college education and lead to college essentially becoming secondary high school. in the future this type of college will probably be good, but for now it will only lead to degradation of a college education.
>>70751806
Public education is cancer. That's why. High schools are shit because they're free. Public colleges will be the same way. If he wanted to invest in education, he would start by divesting from public school unions, not making attendance compulsory, and pushing for more people to home school so that public spending on education as well as class size could be reduced. Instead he thinks he can throw money at the education problem. You can't. If you could, colleges that gets millions in funding wouldn't be filled with ignorant human garbage.
>>70751959
Why? What is wrong with the notion of fair share? Granted the term itself is rather unscientific but the idea behind it is worthy.
>>70752336
Apparently greed is wanting to keep something I've earned, but wanting to take from others is not greed.
>>70752336
Because the rich pay like 80% of all this country's taxes. What share is a fair share?
Taking money from people to pay for your own shit is literally theft. I'm not talking about taxes, I'm talking about socialist tier taxes.
>>70752428
Paying for your fair share in rent is he right thing to do
>>70751806
>conservashits
Does paying their fair share of taxes apply to the 50% of people that pay no taxs at all?
>>70752428
Respectfully this has little to do with you in the context of a corporation paying it's fair share. If the externalities all of us by definition are forced to live with are a bi-product of corporate gain why should we the public not be compensated?
>>70751806
>we already have free education to grade 12
This is why nobody takes anything seriously in politics anymore. You have people who don't know a fucking clue about anything spreading information
>>70752638
>forced
You're free to leave anytime, pal. Nobody is forcing you to participate in a capitalist economy.
>>70752496
And yet all of that "other people's money" couldn't have been created without the community that came before it nor the community that exists now. Without collective human achievement, history and community, you and every other tax dodging whinger would have literally nothing. Stop crying about taxes, you could have it much worse.
>>70752039
This, if the public universities become free then the quality of education will go down. What will be left is that the only degrees that mean anything will be from private universities which in the long run makes valuable degrees even more expensive
>>70751806
>their fair share
So he's for a flat tax?
>>70752858
>>stop crying about taxes
>didn't even read my post
>flag
>>70751806
All you ever need to know about Bernfags,
>>70752813
Whether or not any of us are advocating for or against capitalism you can't really say it's affects are anything but inescapable.
>>70752965
If you don't like America you can emigrate. I hear Germany is taking people in.
>>70752965
You sound like a five your trying to use big words to sound smart.
Move to China or north Korea. Bam you just escaped capitalism.
>>70752858
>literally read your post
>not even shitposting
>>70753126
*year
>>70752965
>affects used as a noun
America is a crony capitalist/monopoly socialist economy though
>>70752858
Conservashits tend to be sociopathic morally deplorable people that pretend to be Christian
>>70753126
>moving to China to escape capitalism
No anon, you are the five year old
>>70752965
Head south until you hit Venezuela. Seems they have defeated the effects of Capitalism.
Protip: Bring your own toilet paper and electricity.
>>70752965
>you can't really say it's affects are anything but inescapable
Welcome to human society. This is as efficient as it's going to get with us.
There is irony lost on people who advocate for a "communal" economy focusing on the people, yet that is what capitalism has done better than any other system in human history, even with greedy kikes in the system.
>>70753190
Morality == give me a cut of your paycheck so I can pay for compulsory brainwashing of children.
>>70753190
Kill yourself.
>>70752858
Bernie supporters logic
>humans get money from each other in exchange of goods
>just get rid of the goods part and everything will be great.
>>70751806
Yew aint from uh-round here, is ya...boy?
[baccy-spitting intensifies]
>>70753163
> American economy anywhere near socialism
>>70752858
>Because being Borg is just better.
>>70751806
then why would he raise my taxes when i have 2 jobs and make 30000 a year?
ITT: Champagne Socialism.
>>70753411
I said monopoly socialist, retard, I was referring to corporate welfare. BTW if you support increasing minimum wage you're supporting big business interests faggot.
>>70751806
>go 30k in debt to finance college
>Sanders taxes your income to make college free for people 5 years younger than you
>sorry no refund
>>70751806
He isnt wrong. For whatever reason, americans love getting fucked in the ass by corporations
Nice "freedom", cucks
>>70752858
The community was paid for any help they put in. They're just used their wages poorly and avoided taking risk. Funny how you bring up collective human achievement, considering how hard socialist theories failed at it.
>Fair share of taxes
Willingly giving away your capital to the government is the most obvious symptom of a state-cuckold. Reminder that is your not doing every single action allowed to pay less taxes, you should put a chain around your ankles like a slave. Give me a single reason I should pay the government for an education I do not use, for a healthcare that I do not use or a security I do not desire?
>>70753190
They actually donate more time, blood/organs and money to charity. Libcucks wants others to give while feeling good about themselves.
>>70753865
America is great in that poor white people have been convinced small government and low taxes on the wealthy are somehow in their best interests because gay Mexicans terrorists are going to kill us all
>>70753592
>I said monopoly socialist, retard, I was referring to corporate welfare
None of these things are true you faggot.
>>70754137
Nice no source faggot
>>70753865
>>argentina
It's time to stop posting. The only south american country that can talk about economics is chile.
>>70753865
Yeah corporations are the worst! Everything the state touches turns to gold! We need MORE government and to give them MORE money! Hooray!
My daddy the State will come and make everything ok!
>>70751806
College is much more expensive than basic school, especially in usefull degrees like engineering
>>70754262
https://www.rt.com/usa/193952-charity-conservatives-religion-utah/
It took 5 mins on google you faggot
>>70754146
Yeah! What poor people need is more handouts!
History and common sense tell us that removing incentive and putting people on the dole is the best way to build a great nation!
The state always does such a great job! Why just look at the TSA and K-12 education! Shining examples of state efficiency and success!
>>70754356
I don't even get what you're satirizing. You'd rather answer to corporate power than state power? At least state power is held somewhat accountable by popular opinion
>>70754468
> donating to cultist church's counts as charity
>>70754356
>If you dont want corporations to rule every aspect of your life then you want a daddy state
Stay cucked
>>70751806
Bernie is either a zionist globalist intent on destroying freedom or the dumbest motherfucker ever elected to public office in the united states.
Either way I'm not in the mood for this shit today Carl, so how about you go back to licking your wifes boyfriends ass on reddit and get the fuck off my /pol/
>>70754218
They are very true. The state fucking gives out subsidies to shit loads of industries while taxing working people and small businesses to hell. Then it bails them out when they fail.
The US is as close to being pure capitalism as it is to being "true socialism."
>>70754525
Oh yeah! The super accountable state!
Just look at all the accountability in our national debt!
We can always count on the state to do a bang up job and never be corrupted or unaccountable!
>>70751806
>"FREE" EDUCATION
This faggot confirmed for never paying property taxes that support local school districts.
>>70754607
Go back to licking boots you corporate cock loving faggot
>>70754492
Bill o'Reilly posts on /pol/ ??
>>70754601
Yes! Capitalism and free market is cucked!
Statists are such independent and strong people!
>>70754638
You would expect a canada faggot to know what cuck means
>>70754693
God damn people like you are retards.
You know that a corporation can only do business at the express permission of the state, and must be approved by the secretary of state it incorporates in, right? The opposite of corporate power isn't fucking state power. They're the same thing.
>>70754759
> Bill O'Reilly is old and wrong! He just doesn't get 'my generation' and how smart we are about politics and the economy!
>>70754644
National debt was the best you could come up with?
>>70754693
Corporations are so bad! Ugh I hate when people are productive and invent a product or service that is desired in order to make money!
It's so wrong! Why can't I make the same money at my job as a Diversity Consultant?!
>>70754638
Not an argument.
>>70754925
National debt is a legitimate fucking issue and as long as it exists, citizens of a state are nothing more than indentured servants, cash cows on a tax farm for international banking cartels. And this is something caused by the state.
>TAXATION IS THEFT
I want this meme to end
>>70755026
Nice strawman, amerikek
>>70752189
>free college education
There is no such thing as free
>>70754925
National debt is no big deal! Who cares! The state is really good at everything it does, so it's ok that every year we sink further in the hole!
>>70754925
Le national debt doesn't matter. Spend as much money as possible.
>>70755161
Unjust taxation is theft. Where do your tax dollars go, do you even know? If your tax dollars are used to make someone rich while you get poorer, then it's theft.
>>70755026
What have corporations done for you other than take your money for another iChimpPhone MadeInChina (tm)?
>>70755161
It is a Statement. It's your job to propose a rebuttle. If the "meme" subsist it is because there has been no valid argiment proposed to counter the statement.
How much would it cost in taxpayer money to fund every college in America for a year? I'd say close to $800 billion, maybe more.
>>70755026
>>>70754693 #
>Governments are so bad! Ugh I hate when people are protecting the markets and society and keeping it all civil and shit and invent a productive society or that is desired by its citizens
>It's so wrong! Why can't They outlaws muh government guys
Having the state pay for someone's fucking Princeton or Yale education is LITERALLY giving them free shit.
>>70755287
So it is only theft if you end up with less?
>>70755161
Explain to me what you would call a large group of people taking money from you by force and threatening to lock you in a dungeon if you don't give them payments.
>>70755026
Generally People take issue with corporations because of their across the board legal protections and accumulated power. not because they make money
>>70755304
Incentivized the creation of every single modern amenity that makes my life the most comfortable in human history.
>>70752328
Public education is shit because of low pay, low respect for teachers, low funding, common core, charter schools, and other such stupidity.
>>70755287
>>70755433
>I'm too retarded to understand that taxes fund programs which benefit my community including myself.
Okay then.
Sage this thread. These are shills. they did not come to argue. They're just ignoring posts that refute them and changing goal posts.
>>70752428
You could argue that the working and middle classes are just trying to get what they've earned.
>>70755459
S A V A G E
>>70755529
Wow so your thieves gave you a small 2 dollar gift after they took 300 dollars from you. Great I guess its not theft anymore.
Does the government spend money on infrastructure anymore? All the roads where I live mine as well be dirt.
>>70755351
> Implying I'm against government for reasonable purposes like national defense, transportation infrastructure, and regulation within reason
> Implying having a limited federal government means leads to incivility and an unproductive society
>>70755436
Publicly traded corporations with a board of directors are a direct reflection of their shareholders, stakeholders, and country's culture as a whole
> Fiduciary duty
we have nobody to blame but ourselves. Hypocritical leftists.
>>70752962
>le ebin taxes are theft meme
>meanwhile the richest CEOs and board members reap millions in subsidies and wealth that actually was stolen from workers
>>70751806
>He doesnt want free stuff, just stuff not paid for by you if you're unemployed and don't pay taxes. If you're a member of the working class, then its time to pay an even fairer share.
libtards
>>70754560
>Sees proof that btfos argument
>Sees religion
>Huehue religion sucks you lose again conservashits
Kill yourself.
>>70755792
Where do subsidies come from? Ah the government. Where does the government get its money?
>>70753289
Only when libertarians start moving to Somalia.
>hint: neither is happening
>>70755436
Ah yes, the state has a much better record here!
A shining beacon of legal equality between government agents and civilians!
A golden example of refusing to accumulate power!
>>70755696
If you think paying taxes is theft then you should probably move to another country.
>>70755890
>Living with niggers.
>implying libertarians are anarchists
try again.
>>70755792
Meanwhile, you dont have a job, are living off your parents and student loans, and dont pay taxes. You're voting for Hernie Panders to get others to pay your debts for you, faggot. Fuck off.
>>70753314
>le public education is communist brainwashing meme
>>70753389
Nice false equivalency.
>>70753163
Welfare Capitalism is not Socialism.
>>70755466
No, it's shit because it's largely compulsory and it mixes together high IQ whites with low IQ blacks and then teaches to the lowest common denominator among them, who is literally an IQ 75 retardo.
Funding has no correlation with performance, you can teach perfectly well in a one room schoolhouse with no electricity or heat provided you have kids who want to learn. Compulsory nigger attendance destroys any hope of that happening.
>>70751806
>being this gullible and stupid.
>""""""""""""""""""""fair share""""""""""""""""""""
OP is right tho, free uni is something that america can afford, BUT the problem is the quality of the education. Unless there is a very thorough program which weeds out all the garbage liberal studies, it wont succeed in its current form.
>>70755792
> stolen from workers
Why should people who lead companies into multi-billion dollar success stories be rewarded for their hard work!?
It's so easy to start a successful company and grow it into a multinational corporation that offers a product or service that is in demand! They deserve nothing!
>>70754324
Our government also funded a coup in Argentina.
>>70755696
roads and bridges are shit everywhere because tax revenue isn't going to improving infrastructure, it's going to pay interest on the national debt
>>70754492
Nice straw argument.
>>70755959
No this is the perfect country for me to be. It was founded on the ideas that taxation is theft. I don't think there is a white country on earth that doesn't tax the shit out of you. However socialist countries on the other hand...
I'm not against paying any taxes but you can't deny that being taxed is like being robbed. Especially income tax.
we need socialism in this country
>>70756174
> American can afford it! They oughta do it!
What is incentive? How does human nature work?
>>70756043
Compulsory public education is brainwashing. Call it a meme, but it doesn't change what it is. Especially since today it teaches absolutely nothing useful.
>>70755792
This
>>70751806
Hasn't extending that past grade 12 always been a radical idea? Hence this being the first time anyone has even discussed it?
>>70754773
hahahahahahaha so funny image XDDD
you really know what you're talking about when you post le ebin communist memes XDDDD
>>70751806
>he doesn't want "free shit" he just wants free shit
>>70751806
>"Fair share"
>>70756315
> Cool meme, Ahmed. Want to bring it to the white house?
>>70755890
So, tell us, why do you think socialism failed in Venezuela, what exactly did they do wrong, what part of the teachings of Marx should have they followed that would have prevented them to crash their economy? Why did it fail in Cuba? Why did it fail in North Korea? I want your insight about how those countries should change in order to be the socialist paradises you think they should be.
I know why Somalia is not Libertarian, and I can detail a list of steps they should take into transforming the country into a Libertarian one, which would probably turn Somalia into a lovely libertarian place to live, hell, if they actually did follow what I think they should do, I'd probably move there before housing becomes expensive, but can you do the same?
I love when conservashits get utterly BTFO
>>70756043
Its not a false equivalency, its exactly what you said word for word.
>>le public education is communist brainwashing meme
You can't just refute someones points by calling it a meme. I was in public school and some of my teachers were open communists while most of the teaches continued to teach marxist propaganda.
>>70751806
"Free" Education already exists in the US. If someone is at least moderately competent there is tons of scholarship money available both from private and public institutions, as well as the colleges and universities themselves.
Raising everyone's taxes so every faggot can afford to go to Harvard/Stanford/Oberlin/Wheaton etc. at the tax payer's expense is fucking stupid. There is already plenty of opportunity to go to community colleges or state colleges at reduced cost.
>>70755529
Taxes do not benefit my community tho. Public schools make people retarded, it takes two years for the county to fix a fucking bridge, and I need a gun to keep niggers from taking my shit while they eat for free with EBT. How do they benefit me? Government pays everything with debt now anyway.
>>70756496
> being this butthurt after realizing your ideology is for spergs
>>70755466
>>70755592
>>70755792
>>70755890
>>70756043
>>70756200
>>70756315
>>70756496
spotted the communist faggot
>>70756594
BUT I DIDN'T APPLY MYSELF IN HIGH SCHOOL DUDE THATS NOT FAIR. I SWEAR I'LL DO BETTER IN FREE COLLAGE DUDE
>>70755918
Except corporate power is often the very reason state power is corrupted
>>70756174
The concept of free college is stupid. You can't limit somebodies life by not letting them get into college because they did shit in high school. Everyone is a retard in high school.
>>70755459
...none of which would be possible without government funding and universities.
Because up to grade 12, it's a public affair with a private option, that the state doesn't pay for.
Past grade 12, it's a private affair with some public options, and you want the state to pay the private option.
Never, ever, get into a situtation where the state guarantees paying private companies for consumer products.
>>70754377
maybe in Brazil, but in the US it's a big state-run business
>>70756009
I am employed and pay taxes and live alone.
>>70756746
Corporate power comes from the state.
>>70756726
I hear this so much. I fucking hate my generation.
Colleges/Universities need to get rid of "Business" degrees too and force people to study a real discipline.
>>70756792
>i'm a retard
How is the invention of the car not possible without the government. What about Iphones? How about planes? Go fuck yourself faggot.
>>70756194
Yet another strawman
>>70756320
Income tax rates have been at their lowest for decades.
Taxation is not "being robbed". It's an exchange. Seriously, just google public/social programs in the US. Once you step outside your basement you realize how taxes are needed to keep this country going.
The middle class is being fucked dry, but it's not because you have to pay taxes.
>>70756981
You need to learn your logical fallacies. Every time you claim someone is using a logical fallacy you're incorrect.
>>70752866
>if the public universities become free then the quality of education will go down
>What will be left is that the only degrees that mean anything will be from private universities which in the long run makes valuable degrees even more expensive
Why do people think this? I'm not even voting for Bernie, but all that would happen is that state schools would become way more competitive to get into. Only students with GPA=3.5+ will be getting into state schools, and the dumber kids will have to pay out the ass to go to privates.
Extending our education has always been a weird and desperate experiment.
America got scared that the Orientals were getting smarter than us, and said "oh crap! we gotsa make our kids smart!"
But the thing that always made America great wasn't that we had endless government-funded education. The thing that made America great was that you could come here from literally anywhere in the fucking world, speak any fucking language, and get a job doing whatever the fuck you ended up being good at and making a life for yourself all while contributing to a grand system.
Now we've got kids who would have been perfectly good mechanics, factory workers, tailors, etc languishing with their shitty liberal arts degrees because we as a country 1) shipped all those jobs overseas for a short profit and 2) encouraged taxpayer-funded loans to nonsensically extend education into young, middle, and now late-adulthood.
There are people in our government who want "lifelong education", where people go to school for their ENTIRE LIVES, to be the norm - and they can't possibly fathom why that would ever be unsustainable.
TLDR; education is the problem
>>70756941
WHAT DO YOU MEAN MY GENERAL STUDIES DEGREE IS USELESS
I TOOK OUT A SHIT TON OF LOANS TO HALF ASS MY WAY TO IT
NO I DIDN'T REALLY THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE
I WAS ONLY 18 LIKE I WAS JUST A KID
NOW I'M 25 AND UMEMPLOYED DUDE VOTE SANDERS FOR EVERYONE'S (MAINLY MY) BENEFIT
>>70757288
People without education are cheap. There are billions available, for $1/hr.
That's why the jobs are gone. The supply is elsewhere. Free market, bitch.
And that's why modern countries can only compete on labor that's worth a premium, and that labor is educated.
>>70751806
>bernie will only tax corporations
Fuck that. He wants to raise my taxes to 50% to subsidize idiotic children's decisipns. I will not benefit from ANyTHING Bernie has to offer. He wants to drag down our brightest to support our most worthkess class.
Raising the minimum wage wont hurt corporations. They will just adapt. Privately owbed businesses are going to suffer. How can a Mom and Pop store afford to fully staff their establishment while paying 15/hr. Or afford the insurance costs of fulk tine workers?
Bernie will drive big business out of the US with his moronic tax plan, while hamstringing the honest Americans he claims to supports.
"Free" college wont help a damn thing. A degree in woman's studies is just as useless if you dont personally pay for it. But now Bernout intends to hyper inflate the market of college educated people.
Too many college grads, not enough jobs. Fucking simple supply and demand.
I hate you.
>>70757432
Full time work for anyone other than megacorporations will become a thing of the past.
This is how all those dystopian horror movies start.
>>70757220
Income tax used to not exist.
Why is it that you assume I'm an anarchists? I'm a libertarian.
The best way to help the middle class is by bringing jobs back from China and bringing production to the U.S. and lowering the tax rate.
We don't not need any welfare. I'd rather save my money. I don't mind funding shitty public schools to the age of 18 or shitty public roads but don't ask me to fund some niggers life.
Guess how you don't help the middle class? Its by giving them free programs. Sure they have free healthcare but they also don't have jobs anymore. Having to pay for healthcare with spare money from your job is better than getting it for free and having no money left over.
Socialism simply isn't affective.
>>70756792
> Implying there aren't already thousands of private universities in existence and that these aren't consistently offering the god tier of educations
> Implying government funding would be needed if .gove wasn't skimming corporate profits to fund diversity and feminist initiatives
1. College is a waste of money. I rather tax dollars go to tech programs/schools that guarantee one a job after they graduate or get a certificate in an ACTUAL SKILL! Young adults need HANDS ON TRAINING. College does not teach one a skill.
2.The education system in this country has gone to shit. Kids should know basic survival skills and HOW to forage and garden for their own food. Kids should be PRO CHEFS by the time they're 15. They should know all about how to make fresh healthy meals for themselves. I don't even know how many college kids I come across who can't even make a decent meal for themselves. It's sad as fuck.
3. Healthcare needs to be shrinked. There needs to be less hospitals and more people giving a shit about their health. Fast food places and groceries stores selling junk food and candy should be banned. Everyplace should be required to be organic/natural/healthy..that would change everything. SODA/COKE/FRUITJUICE should be banned. MONSANTO should be closed and all gmo farms should be burned.
I just fixed 90% of the issues. Something none of the presidential candidates never will do.
>>70757264
Dumb kids are usually from dumb families and won't be able to afford it.
>>70756981
> If I just call it a strawman they'll forget all about the state's abysmal record in turning everything it touches to shit
>>70755161
Do you want ME shot?
>>70757432
>He wants to raise my taxes to 50% to subsidize idiotic children's descipns.
His free college tuition is covered by a tax on wallstreet speculation. So unless you're a wall street speculator, no, he won't raise your taxes for that.
>>70751806
Do these people not know what a community college is?
>Yeah but those don't offer dorms & the college lifestyle boohoo
Fuck right outta here if THAT'S why you want to go to college.
>>70757643
>I'm a libertarian.
I wish this term was defined in any way ever. Sadly, the only definition I've gathered so far was "fuck gubbamint they dun du nothing for me". Past that, it's fair game for anyone from anarchists to classical liberals.
>>70757827
HOLY SHIT I"M NOW A DEMOCRATE FEEL THE BERN.
How could I be so stupid. I finally see now.
>>70751806
>fair share
The top 1% pay 75% of taxes libtard
>>70757868
Fucking semantics. My taxes will be raised. I will not benefit from any of it.
None of his policies can gauruntee success. He wants to permantely change the fundamental aspects of America so that socialism might work this time around.
>>70757868
Which taxes the people who use stocks and 401k's for retirement later in life. The speculation tax was tried in Britain and Sweden and both dropped that shit quick because no one traded stocks, their economies started to tank
>>70756594
don't forget G.I. Bill
>>70758005
he was a dirt bag
>>70756568
>why do you think socialism failed in Venezuela
Their goverment is corrupt as shit. If they didnt have a shitload of oil Venezuela would have fallen long ago
>>70757288
>The thing that made America great was that you could come here from literally anywhere in the fucking world, speak any fucking language, and get a job doing whatever the fuck you ended up being good at and making a life for yourself all while contributing to a grand system.
But you people complain when mexicans do it.
>>70751806
Pay fair share, 90% equals fair. God you fags are stupid.
>>70755844
You're right anon, there's nothing wrong with organized religion, nothing at all
>>70758729
I actually think it is
>>70758120
>My taxes will be raised
and this is bad why? genuine question.
>>70758527
because they come illegally.
US likes laws, Mexico? so-so
>>70758957
how much taxes did you pay this year?
Federal & state
>>70758957
>i don't understand why having less money is bad but i'll proceed to condescend to strangers regarding tax policy
>>70751806
Commies can go bern in hell
>>70759366
>i don't understand what taxes are for i just have less money for igadgets which makes me mad
>>70758527
Because many of them do it illegally!
Nobody likes people who cut in line, especially the legal Mexican immigrants! It makes them look bad too if their communities are taken over by illegal druglords
>>70751806
POLITICAL NARRATIVE: Our public schools are starved for resources. Schools with increased funding perform better, as do nations with more resources devoted to education.
REALITY: Researchers have reached the astonishingly counterintuitive conclusion that, plain and simply, there is no relationship between educational expenditure levels and academic performance. A recent multinational study funded in part by United States Department of Education concluded that "just providing added resources to schools is unlikely to be successful; improving the quality of schools will take structural changes in institutions."
Total expenditures per pupil in the U.S. are two-and-a-half times higher today than in 1970, after adjusting for inflation, yet student achievement has been flat and in some cases actually declined. The same trend exists in developed countries and developing countries, even when numerous family-background and school features are considered. Indeed the only thing that's increased has been the number of public school employees -- the ratio of staff to students has gone up by 70 percent since 1970.
Instead, changes in the institutional structure and incentives of schools are the key to improving school outcomes. The study found that increased performance-based incentives, as well as greater competition in the educational system were more important than funding levels.
Source: http://www.hks.harvard.edu/pepg/PDF/Papers/PEPG07-01_Hanushek_Woessmann.pdf
Fucking Bernie Sanders Drone Retards
>>70758527
>>The thing that made America great was that you could come here from literally anywhere in the fucking world, speak any fucking language, and get a job doing whatever the fuck you ended up being good at and making a life for yourself all while contributing to a grand system.
This was never true you cunt. The us is the most powerful country in the world because they had almost all of north america to themselves + european capitalist(read:exploiting) culture.
>>70759655
Dont get mad at me, say it to the guy who posted it in the first place
>>70751806
If bernie starts taxing the churches then i will support him.
>>70751806
>My job provides healthcare coverage for me
>I used loans and worked my way through college
>I don't need social programs
>I made enough to pay off my loans in a year
I grew up poor and made something of myself. If I can do it then anyone can as long as you're not lazy and/or a naive moron.
>>70759810
gonna save your time of reading all the replies to your post
*tips fedora*
>>70759633
>Indeed the only thing that's increased has been the number of public school employees -- the ratio of staff to students has gone up by 70 percent since 1970.
EXPAND THE GOVERNMENT / STATE / ADMIN
>>70759757
My bad.
So does Trump
>>70758305
And is that supposed to mean all republicans are dirtbags?
>>70759655
>european capitalist(read:exploiting) culture.
A+ socialist narrative, comrade
>>70751806
>Stop corporate welfare
That doesn't mean what you think it means
>and make them pay their fair share of taxes
They already pay a majority of taxes the government collects
>and use that money to invest in healthcare
the US already leads the world in medical research; when countries invest in healthcare rather than private companies the amount and quality of medical R&D drops
>education
More on that alter
>and social programs
That's working so well in Detroit, Baltimore, Chicago, DC, and California, right?
>muh free education and make college like K-12
1. The quality of K-12 education has DROPPED since the DoE was established
2. Basically these posts >>70752039
>>70752866
tl;dr - Berniefags are short-sighted retards who are incapable of critical thinking.
>>70757288
What made America great was slavery desu
>>70760069
pretty much
>>70757264
this.
dont bother though, this board is filled with underage children who have never worked a day in their lives. the parasites here are more entitled than any "leftist' they complain about by a longshot.
>>70759825
please don't trigger the resentment / entitlement people
>>70752039
B-but our roads!! Our roads are socialist and look how great they are! Oh and the military, look how socialist it is and how every soldier that leaves is surely taken care of by the socialist VA system!
>>70752965
>tries to sound smart
>uses "affects" instead of "effects"
how cute
>>70759888
>Don't believe in this god
>Wants to tax the churches that survive solely on donations and shame people for not donating
>Some how considered a fedora tipper.
Go back to praying to a statue for protection brazilboy.
>>70753190
No we believe the Church is the institution that is responsible for charity not the federal government. It's really quite simple but libtards don't like to acknowledge just how much charity work churches all around the country do
>>70759825
>-6.0 million
>>70756313
DING DING DING
We have a winner. The elephant in the room is debt based fiat currency. It's like people don't remember 2008.
>>70760310
>godless commie
>>70751806
Sorry guys, We're not going to elect a commie. You can call it whatever you want "fair share" etc... He's still a communist.
I'm never gunna vote for a guy who thinks we need more gender studies degrees
>>70752517
There's that fucking term again "fair share."
Why are you fags the fucking authority on what fair is? You don't know wtf I deal with at work, and I don't know what you do. I may be more or less valuable than the dollar amount o earn. You'd have no way of knowing. This fucking scam that liberals keep buying into is astounding to me.
Sorry you're poor, you fucking loser. You don't get to reap what we sow because you have a differing idea of what "fair" is.
>>70759937
One thing that doesn't surprise me is that the author of the research paper is German.
>>70752517
OK, faggot. Precisely what IS a "Fair Share" and how much skin will you be putting in?
Kill yourself.
>>70755792
>Muh wealth stolen from workers.
Unless you were sold to your employer, chained to your desk and whipped, you have have only yourself to blame for being worthless.
>>70755890
U.N. destroys Somalia.
Libtards blame Libertarians.
Read a book, faggot.
>>70760618
now i get to live with the fact that i made fun of a cripple
>>70760618
>bert supporter
>handicapped
too real man, bait cant be too ridiculous or too close to the truth or it doesn't work
>>70760724
I meant talk to type. It's okay buddy
>>70760441
Keep supporting your shithole nation and keep praying to the statue so that it will be better. Churches are like alcohol they don't fix the problem they just provide some relief to it for a short period of time. They solely are based to numb the pain but never provide the cure.
>>70755792
can't tell if bait
>MUH CEOS
>MUH BANKERS
>MUH BONUSES
>MUH BIG CORPORATIONS
CEO's are offered extremely high salaries and bonuses because a private, autonomous corporation either wants to hire or retain who they believe are the best people to run their company.
"workers" aren't paid as much because they aren't as instrumental to the company on an individual level; there is plenty of them and they don't have the same skills
I'm not sure if Bernie faggots are to stupid to comprehend this or they do actually understand but just can't handle that their labour isn't worth shit
>>70757220
>Mo money fo dem programs.
Spotted the nigger.
>>70751806
While I agree with you on the elimination of corporate welfare, a flat tax is already progressive. The money is a corporation is used to create more wealth, and doesn't go directly into Ferraris and yachts. It is a fallacious, and unfortunately, all to common belief among the youth that Rich people having money, prevents you from having money.
Most people ignore that most of the wealth behind that money, is infact, made by the rich and corporations. When a company mines gold from the ground, and sells it, they never actually stole from you, and it is no different in a regular market.
However, there is a system where one group having money prevents most people from having it. That is the Government, and instead of voluntary trade, it is done through taxes. Because, the Government cannot create wealth, only redistribute, it impedes the natural creation of wealth in an economy. In this video you'll see why the middle-class is the highest payer of taxes, and debts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ
The tax that does the least damage would be a sales tax. An income tax, corporate tax, savings tax, or whatever tax you can think of; only stands in the way of the creation of new wealth, and is often redistributed wastefully into unproductive Social Programs.
>>70760764
I Have a job though
>>70760915
That balances it out
>>70752039
Yeah sure totally different
>>70757220
Care to address why Bernie wants to increase taxes on the middle class then? Really think about what is actually the middle class in this country before typing your reply
>>70760985
Are you for or against impeachment?
>>70760250
sure bud
>>70755466
since the dept of education was founded it has received countless increases in funding yet we have seen no increase in students ability
this time the increase in funding will finally work huh?
>>70760187
I guess your a racist now.
I had an argument with a Bern victim yesterday he said that a flat tax is unfair because as you increase income tax also goes up, then said the 1% needs pay their fair share and his boss should be required to pay him a living wage.
Are Sanders supporters retarded as a rule or do we just only here about the stupid ones?
>>70755792
>the richest CEOs and board members
love taxes because they are the only ones able to pay them (or pay someone to get out of them) and it keeps fresh competition from springing up
>>70761199
Do i look like a commie faggot?
>>70756573
>I love when conservashits get utterly BTFO
When does this ever happen?
>>70751806
>occupy democrats
> a literal Soros funded astroturf organization
yeah fuck off faggot
>>70757921
maybe if you were not so reddit you could understand
>>70751806
>invest in healthcare
>invest in education
>invest in social programs
one of these is not like the other.
>le free college meme
because thats working SO well for everyone right now with the student loan scam.
>>70758416
So they embraced socialism and it ended in corruption? A system that ends in rampant corruption can't be a good system.
>>70759558
what are they for?
my roads are terrible, my schools suck, they were somehow better when taxes were lower
how is this possible
>>70761423
He has a point though. Libertarian in America is far different than libertarian in Europe.
>>70761426
>invest
That implies there is a possible return.
>>70761551
Do you see the flag above my post. Good job. Fuck off commie we wuz kangz nigger.
>>70751806
It costs less to relocate to another country than it does to pay your taxes.
DUDE FREE LMAO
U
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But hey. Guess what? Bernie "that old cuck" Sanders will never be president. Never. Less of a chance than Trump. And he will probably die soon thank god.
>>70759655
venezuela has the largest proven oil reserves, and are exploiting them
why is Venezuela not the most powerful, why have they tun out of toilet paper
>>70761675
u go
>>70757220
>The middle class is being fucked dry, but it's not because you have to pay taxes.
1/3 of the money I earn is taken and most of it goes to welfare to pay people not to work
7400.00 a years property tax and most of it goes to public schools to pay for OTHER peoples kids
but yeah that isn't theft
you faggot
>>70760310
>shame people for not donating
>the same as threatening jail
lol people who are in love with the state, like you, are fucked in the head
>>70752189
How exactly will it downgrade college education? You do realize that just because it's free for citizens doesn't mean the entry requirements for getting in have to get any easier. And if it's funding that you're worried about, then it is just a question of how much the US government is willing to slash from nonsense like their bloated military budget to invest in schools. It's a practical question at that point, not just theoretically possible.
>>70755192
Do you give this same response when someone offers you "free cupcakes" at the mall, you worthless maplenigger? Everyone understands what the word free means in this context. Fuck off with this retarded strawman.
>>70752965
>Whether or not any of us are advocating for or against capitalism you can't really say it's affects are anything but inescapable.
What the fuck does that mean? Drop the thesaurus brother and speak from your station, because you are not saying a fucking thing there.
Here's how to construct that sentence in English:
>whether or not any of us are arguing for or against capitalism, you can't say it's easy to escape the effects
>>70757220
>Taxation is not "being robbed". It's an exchange
This fucking cuckold holy shit.
>>70761271
why?
>>70752496
And it's really bad. 25.7% tax rate for me and I live paycheck to paycheck. I don't make enough to be taxing me more to pay for all dem programs. I work hard to support myself fjck supporting niggers, liberal arts cucks and fat single moms.
>>70751806
>fair share
They already paying up to 70% of the taxes. Meanwhile, Bernie supporters (jobless niggers, minimum wage workers) are paying less than 1% of the taxes.
>>70761942
Okay thanks good advice I realize that isn't a very clear sentence. But I don't think I used any words big enough to warrant your thesaurus comment.
>>70760375
lol
Is the irony of the song "ironic" that none of the situations she sings about are really ironic? Please respond
>>70761878
>How exactly will it downgrade college education?
College will now have to meet both state and federal guidelines. Increasing the redtape = increasing admin. Money from govt. ends up going to admins instead of upgrading facilities for students and securing salaries for exemplary professors (who move into private universities)
thus, quality of education plummets and college ends up what K-12 is today - daycare.
>>70763556
Except this is all out of your ass, it's worked in every first world country.
>>70753750
Why not have an equal payroll tax? It looks pretty retarded that someone at $75k is paying the most.
>>70764940
>le other country meme
All those countries are extremely homogeneous and have populations 1/10th the size of ours. But go on.
>>70764940
but hasn't in the US.
http://www.hks.harvard.edu/pepg/PDF/Papers/PEPG07-01_Hanushek_Woessmann.pdf
Shaking down businesses for protection money is called "racketeering" you leftist fucks.
>>70755161
the doublethink
>taxation is theft
>yet I am okay with a non-government entity printing unlimited money with unlimited powers to write checks for money out of thin air.
One cannot exist without the other. You want to remove taxation? remove the damn central bank
>>70762101
Since he didn't answer I'm gonna go with "because you're a leaf-fucking nigger."
>>70765397
>gets proven dead wrong
>i-i-its a m-meme guys
Free college is possible, a wall street speculation tax would cover it over 4 times.
Quality would not go down, and not only that, but quality is overrated. You just need a good teacher and the right materials, College is only seen as this holy golden building of learning because it cost like 80k a year for bullshit reasons, not cause the quality is fantastic or anything. This is why it gets rammed down our throats in high school.
>>70765581
>social security
>Ponzi scheme
Do you really think the politicians in countries with robust social security are rolling in dough? Compared to politicians in America? Top fucking kek.
>>70754468
We don't "give" walmart revenue. We trade it for actual goods.
fair share
/fer/ - /SHer/
noun
1. an insurmountably large but unspecified amount that every successful individual owes to a leftist, simply because the said individual was a smarter and harder worker
>>70760889
>tfw no response
>>70766068
it's a ponzi scheme because the money you receive from SS isn't a legitimate return on the money you've paid into SS. it's nothing but the money someone younger than you has paid into. it's completely unsustainable with a declining birth rate - unless you want to raise the age to receive or increase how much people are forced to pay or decreasing what people receive or start executing old people
people would be better off investing their own money in a manner that suits them instead of being forced to funnel it into this fraud-ridden black hole where it's increasingly unlikely they'll ever see it again.
>>70766493
>>70766493
I just read it. Sounds good, would a large hike in VAT be able to cover the loss of income from other aspects as you said?
>>70765973
>quality is overrated
>>70766068
>Do you really think the politicians in countries with robust social security are rolling in dough?
Of course they are. They don't become politicians because they're benevolent, you moron.
Sorry, you little pasty ass shits are going to have to work for it just like the rest of us did.
If you don't like that move to s socialist country faggot.
>>70766922
It is, you have to be mentally retarded to not just read a book and learn what's in it on your own. A teacher is just there to simplify what's already in front of you, that shit's not worth 70k a year or more.
>>70767030
>What is community college
>What is trade jobs
College is overrated.
>>70767030
You're giving the average student way too much credit.
>>70751806
Kys. You already know the counter argument and you STILL post this shit. What is it you are trying to accomplish?
>>70767233
I'm not saying learning is overrated, i'm saying the experience of college is overrated and over priced.
Community teaches meme degrees, nobody wants to build wooden houses for the rest of their lives.People will always want to broaden their knowledge continuously, we have to account for the majority that do by making college much more affordable or free. Literally no reason not to.
>>70767233
Community college is for losers and peasants.
>>70766787
>it's a ponzi scheme because the money you receive from SS isn't a legitimate return on the money you've paid into SS
That's because it was never supposed to be that. You start from a false premise that this is about investment and returns and then apply the label Ponzi scheme, even though the very concept of social security and taxes aren't about that.
And what does completely unsustainable mean exactly in this context? We've been having it for 50+ years and aren't on the brink of collapse.
>>70766802
The Government is hardly needed in most matters. We can privatize Social security (and not make it a ponzi scheme.) if we want a mandatory savings system.
Government in health care is terrible, a private corporation managing a syndicate works better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-TccVX5BBo
And we could start calling the Military Industrial Complex on their shit, to reduce military spending exponentially, while not weakening the strength of the army.
Government should only do things that people can't do themselves, such as manage the police forces. Maybe they could have a gibsmedat program with the saved money, where the Government pays for extremely low income families' insurance (pays for it from a company they choose, not a Government run insurance).
They can also build Muh Roads. With the money we'd save by eliminating gibsmedats and cronyism, we could afford some wasteful practices.
>>70765973
>a wall street speculation tax would cover it over 4 times.
please scroll up - Speculation Tax was tried and failed miserably in England and Sweden
>>70767745
Hi, genius. How are you?
>>70766987
>Of course they are.
How much wealth does the average US congressman have, do you wager?
>They don't become politicians because they're benevolent, you moron.
I never said they did, retard. I just found it hilarious that an American is chastising other countries about politicians rolling in the dough. Maybe you would have a leg to stand on if you were talking about China or South American countries but compared to most European countries your politicians are making bank.
>>70751806
It is a radical idea because K-12 education SHOULD be sufficient to prepare any individual for the workforce. It's also radical because a 22 year old who is not working ought to be acquiring some useful skills, which not all college students do.
>>70768416
>but compared to most European countries your politicians are making bank.
EU pay/kickbacks/corruption btfo US levels
>>70765397
Germany is only 1/5 of your population. But i don't get your population meme. In my opinion it means you guys have much more resources to work with
> Increasing the redtape = increasing admin.
Out of your ass
>thus, quality of education plummets
It's crazy that USA higher education is exponentially better then the rest. Ohh..
>>70765397
>>70767745
LOL
I'm going to make upwards of $80k a year from community college you fucking cuck
>>70767702
>over priced
I agree.
>nobody wants to build wooden houses for the rest of their lives.People will always want to broaden their knowledge continuously, we have to account for the majority that do by making college much more affordable or free. Literally no reason not to.
You assume millions of people will act that way? Most people don't want to become a manager. Most people just want work and have a wonderful life. That is attainable. College is not guarantee for your success.
>>70751806
>pay their fair share
>90% of taxes are paid by all those corporations
>>70751806
>Like Hitler
Stay way from Muh guns facists.
>>70768690
According to? /pol/ memes? RNC?
>>70753750
>Using vox as a credible source of information
No. That bitch is very misleading and cherry picks like fuck.
>>70751806
>fair share
>the top 2% pay 2/3rds of federal taxes
>the bottom 50% pay less than 1%
Also
>subsidizing companies that are otherwise shit is bad
>subsidizing garbage degrees and hordes of illegal's children is good.
>>70768455
K12 is not to prepare for the workforce you retard. This is not the 50's anymore. You need more then 2 strong arms and a healthy back to suceed in western job market. Why do you think shitskins have huge unemployement rate?
Our K12 education was designed to prepare us to college.
>>70768979
>fair share
>the top 2% pay 2/3rds of federal taxes
>the bottom 50% pay less than 1%
Compare wealth each of those groups have.
>>70768893
why Brexit?
>>70769220
Your point is we need to make everyone's wealth equal? Fuck off.
Reality is not the equality. If that's true, carnivore will not exist. Mankind will never kill each other for more than millennium.
>>70768766
Total expenditures per pupil in the U.S. are two-and-a-half times higher today than in 1970, after adjusting for inflation, yet student achievement has been flat and in some cases actually declined. The same trend exists in developed countries and developing countries, even when numerous family-background and school features are considered. Indeed the only thing that's increased has been the number of public school employees -- the ratio of staff to students has gone up by 70 percent since 1970.
Instead, changes in the institutional structure and incentives of schools are the key to improving school outcomes. The study found that increased performance-based incentives, as well as greater competition in the educational system were more important than funding levels.
Source: http://www.hks.harvard.edu/pepg/PDF/Papers/PEPG07-01_Hanushek_Woessmann.pdf
>>70751806
>occupy democrats
>bankrolled by Soros
>k-12 is the same as college
>everyone needs a degree
Fuck off
>>70751806
>Success should be punished
>you should want to be unsuccessful full so that the Successful will have to pay you to live
>>70752428
>something I've earned
Top kek don't delude yourself faggot you don't make anywhere enough to have your taxes go up under Bernie's plan you cucks play good goy to all the Jews who hoard all the money at the top I don't agree with all the free shit but you can't pretend that Wall Street and the elite rich cunts don't fuck us over with the wealth they amassed underhandedly like Soros and Rothschild
>>70751806
>le not paying their fair share
Highest fucking corporate taxes in the fucking first world
>>70769898
Absolutely. For example in Finland no one works because you can get an apartment, food and internet without doing anything. Since there is no incentive to work, people just stay at home playing video games.
Are you fucking retarded?
>>70766068
I'll take Panama Papers for $500, Alex.
>>70769512
No, but if you control a higher percentage of a country wealth, you should give back more on the society.
You can search all the archives for the post in wich i defend equal wealth for everyone. I don't nigga
>>70770637
Thing is, the whole "Social Security/Welfare" thing only works as long as there's 95%+ social purity and cohesion/control.
i.e. once you let the shitskins flood in and let them get away with abusing the system (because they don't give a fuck what the majority thinks of them) it collapses.
Sweden is about to demonstrate this to the world.
>>70770637
Americans are lazy niggers that if they could not work they wouldn't. They have no love for their country nor a sense of duty.
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