Social mobility in America is lower than any other industrialized country. Hard (or smart) work just doesn't pay off like it does in other countries. If you're born poor, you're probably going to die poor.
The top 10%'s share of the economy is at record numbers. The game is rigged.
>>70747464
And it's due to the fact that half of your country adopted globalism whilst the other half rejected it.
>>70747658
No, it's because we live in a corporate plutocracy.
Just because your manager at McDonald's dosent give you 15 bucks and hour dosent mean the game is rigged faggot.
>>70747464
>If you're born poor, you're probably going to die poor.
if you're born poor and you remain poor it's most likely because your family has a mental defect that is passed down through the generations. personality and intellect is genetic. if you believe that generations of geniuses are being held down by society then you are a fool.
>>70747464
>>70747975
I own two businesses, a Lexus, and my house is paid off. But nice try.
>>70748563
But that's exactly what is going on. Our meritocracy is a myth.
>>70748891
>But that's exactly what is going on. Our meritocracy is a myth.
the myth is that every single person is born with equal potential and if someone doesnt realize that potential it is a failure of society. maybe you havent been around many poor people in your life, but most of them are buffoons. their grandfathers were buffoons and their fathers are buffoons and they are buffoons. notice a pattern? they never had a shot to begin with. they were built to be grunts in factories but those jobs have left and they cannot adapt.
>>70747464
I dunno if that is true or not but I noticed that news talking about social mobility and economic problems has skyrocketed in the last few months. Shit is crazy.
>>70749675
Nice theories, but they've been disputed.
>>70749813
Because the "American Dream" hasn't been a reality since the 60s.
>>70749849
nice retarded chart. how many billionaires are in denmark and finland again? go take a look at the forbes list of billionaires. most of them are new money. if you want to get ahead in the US the only thing holding you back is yourself.
>>70749849
also the countries on this chart are basically states compared to the US. it would be better to compare all of europe to the US instead of cherry picking countries to make a retarded point about socialism.
>>70747464
Well duh, you need desperate plebs to make good ideas work.
The welfare state is the ultimate cockblock.
>>70747464
Please die scum. You are not a real American. Real Americans make it happen. I came from rags to a decent amount of money in only six years. Get your shit together or go to Canada. Cuck.
As a first generation American and the grandson of a man who came to this country with nothing yet built a business and now makes a six figure income, I can say with confidence that OP is a faggot.
>>70747464
The game is somewhat rigged, yes.
But people usually aren't ruthless or manipulative enough to get ahead anyways.
The poor always stayed poor. They just thought they didn't.
>>70750871
>number of billionaires in a country is measurement of how anyone can succeed
If anything, it's a measure of how polarized it is.
>>70751551
Tell me that after you've paid West Virginia a visit.
>>70747464
As long as you're somewhat intelligent, don't have bastard children before you're financially stable, and are willing to work hard. If you were born poor, you will not die so, and that's with the current budding bureaucracy of America.
>pic unrelated
>>70752581
what kind of business? i know its fairly easy to get a loan and start up a business but i cant understand how people can feel out what is needed in a particular place.
>>70754072
>>number of billionaires in a country is measurement of how anyone can succeed
it's proof that there is a ceiling in other countries. there is no limit to you success. those stupid nordic countries have a floor and a ceiling. the USA has a floor with no ceiling.
also keep in mind that poverty in the US is unlike poverty in the rest of the world. our poor people have full stomachs and iphones.
>>70755244
There's always a ceiling you idiot.
Money is a percent not a value.
The more billionaires there are the harder it is for someone to become one.
>>70747464
>Social mobility in America is lower than any other industrialized country.
bullshit. if my dad painted houses, and I studied instead of smoking pot, I can get a job as an engineer, lawyer, doctor, architect, you name it. and if i have the right skills, i will get promoted and will easily be solid middle-class if not higher.
>>70747464
>Said sanders, whom supports quantitative easing which is essentially printing free money for Stock Owners.
You've been had dumbass
>>70747464
utter b.s.
most millionaires in the US are self made
now , go and hug your comfort animal, insert your binky and get back to thinking up reasons not to look for a job today.
>>70755378
>There's always a ceiling you idiot.
>Money is a percent not a value.
what?
>The more billionaires there are the harder it is for someone to become one.
the entire pie is always growing you numb skull. there is always room for more billionaires. this is not a zero sum game. i wish bernouts didnt get all their economic education from the snake oil salesman himself.
>>70756201
Wait, do you not know how money works?
Money's perceived value depends on it's rarity.
If there is tons of money and everyone is a billionaire, money becomes worthless and prices skyrocket.
It's not like gold or something with a pseudo-stable value. The more money you print, the less it's worth.
The pie can't grow. Period.
And I'm voting for trump, you retarded faggot.
>have a bunch of poor niggers who don't want to work
>somehow its other peoples' fault that there is income inequality
>>70747975
I just graduated college and I make $13 an hour.
Is the game rigged yet?
>inb4 wymyns' studies
Nope, got a B. Sc. in IT. Now I'm a proud JavaScript code monkey who can't make enough to make but minimum payments on my student debt premium. How fucked am I?
Feels bad having fallen for the STEM meme...
>>70756954
How much did you network?
Do you do your own resumes, and how well do they look?
What was your GPA?
STEM isn't like other fields, you don't just get a job for just getting a degree.
>>70756544
>The pie can't grow. Period.
US economy grows. the world economy grows. the pie gets bigger. there's always room for new billionaires to get in the fun.
>>70756954
>get degree in oversaturated market
>complain about making very little money
doesn't help that they could always ship in poos to do what you don't want to for less money
>>70757123
>the pie gets bigger
what is inflation, dumb nigger?
>>70756954
>Nope, got a B. Sc. in IT.
probably because it's a degree in IT? why not just get a computer science degree? what did you do for that degree? i know all the IT people at my work are pretty useless and basically just network admins. also 13/hr i could probably make that much working at a restaurant.
>>70757123
The economy growing is not the same as the value of money you retard.
If everyone was at least a billionaire, money would be worth jack shit, and you need to be a quadrillionaire to buy anything.
>>70756872
>West Virginia
>niggers
You retarded or just uninformed?
>>70756954
>competing with literally a billion pajeets
Good luck with that!
STEM is literally a meme. Anyone who gets a degree in anything but business, law, accountancy or medicine deserves all the bad things that happen.
>>70757471
>The economy growing is not the same as the value of money you retard.
we arent arguing about the value of money. we're arguing about social mobility. more billionaires. new billionaires. all proof that we have social mobility.
The economy growing is not the same as the value of money you retard.
also, kek. the value of our economy is directly tied to the value of the dollar. stronger economy = more demand for dollars = value of the dollar increases. so not only are you off topic, but you're wrong.
If everyone was at least a billionaire, money would be worth jack shit, and you need to be a quadrillionaire to buy anything.
again this is a discussion about social mobility and not making literally everyone a billionaire. that's nonsensical.
>>70757663
>You retarded or just uninformed?
>America
>West Virginia
He didn't say anything about a specific state you cuck
>>70747464
>it's not my fault i'm a lazy, underpaid uneducated loser, the game is rigged.
try harder faggot and maybe you'll succeed.
>>70747464
What else is new? Only stupid monkeys care about getting rich.
i was lower-middle-class growing up im in the top 10% for income now.
>>70757123
I just wanted to take some time out of my day to call you a worthless uneducated moron. This has nothing to do with politics, everything to do with you being unable to come to the simplest of logical conclusions. Remove yourself from the gene pool please.
>>70757970
Holy shit you ARE retarded.
Social mobility has to take into consideration inflation, and every other factor.
Making everyone billionaires is just an extreme example so I can emphasize just how stupid you are.
>also, kek. the value of our economy is directly tied to the value of the dollar. stronger economy = more demand for dollars = value of the dollar increases. so not only are you off topic, but you're wrong.
MONEY IS NOT A PRODUCT. It is a medium of transfer between buyer and seller. It is not effected by the laws of supply and demand in the traditional sense. Most of its value comes from how much of it is in play. Also, the value of the economy is derived from the dollar not the other way around you retard. The economy can grow without the dollar growing.
>>70747464
>>70747917
>>70749904
I grew up poor as fuck. No car, apartments, food stamps, no vacations, no parents, the whole shebang. I went to school in the ghetto. You know what? I made it.
I walk into any fast food restaurant and think "I make more than everyone here combined". How did I get here?
Hard work. It's such a foreign concept to people today. The hundreds of books I've read. The thousands of dollars invested. The shitty job's I've endured. All for success. I never once put my hand out and wait for the world to hand me something on a silver platter.
It's not just millennials who think like this either. Boomers too. Fuck em all.
>>70747464
>Social mobility in America is lower than any other industrialized country.
>>70748891
The champagne Communist speaks. There are not that many problems in your life so you go around creating them. Fuck off
>>70758577
and i'm a magical fairy that lives in snoopy's pancreas
You know what's the best way to fight income inequality? Not importing the entire third world and building a goddamn wall.
>>70749675
Tell that to the millions living in Appalachia or Indian Reservations or inner city slums.
>>70758816
>One anecdote negates every statistic out there
Ok chief
>>70759305
his anecdote supports the statistics
niggers are dumb and lazy and thats why they are poor
>>70755244
That last point is bullshit and everybody knows it. Some people in this country don't have clean running water, electricity, or (much more commonly) adequate healthcare. Some poor people can afford a smartphone, but they have to make it last for many, many years. Cars and decent housing are even more beyond reach for many. People aren't dying of starvation, but malnutrition and food insecurity are still very much present.
>>70747464
1. Bernie's shit cannot be funded:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ
2. He is a leftist authoritarian who wants more obese black women with clipboards in your life, approves of breadlines, and thinks repression of free association/expression are good values for a nation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrcHgTNOuyo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJBjjP8WSbc
http://reason.com/blog/2016/02/29/bernie-sanders-support-dictatorship
>inb4 buh trump is wurse lol1!!!111
Not arguing that, just saying the emperor has no clothes here. Bernie wants just as many (probably more) boots on your neck than mean old Donald.
But hey at least it will be "more equal" or whatever....somehow.
Social Mobility in America is actually at a high. You're a retarded liberal confusing median quality of life with "mobility."
If you compare it to welfare states like some of the oft-touted "good" white countries, you have a middle-lower class that has a nice quality-of-life but mobility is virtually nonexistent, as taxes and the like make breaking into the upper class (as opposed to already being a part of it and being able to use all the loopholes) more or less impossible.
>>70756872
>le ebin nigger meme
>>70759651
not an arguement
>>70759543
Point 2 is bullshit and you know it.
>>70759738
Neither is "niggers."
>>70759947
Not an argument
>>70759947
Not an argument
>>70757296
are people not mining gold or whittling sticks into trinkets they can sell? what is production of scarce goods?
>>70758679
>Holy shit you ARE retarded.
>Social mobility has to take into consideration inflation, and every other factor.
>Making everyone billionaires is just an extreme example so I can emphasize just how stupid you are.
more NEW billionaires. more NEW millionaires. proof that social mobility is possible. you're trying to force the meme that all the rich people are descendants of rich people that have been rich for the last 200 years. not true. there are new people getting rich all the time. the pie is constantly growing. if you grew up in a shithole it does not mean you are condemned to that shithole for the rest of your life. we have social mobility.
>It is not effected by the laws of supply and demand in the traditional sense. Most of its value comes from how much of it is in play.
>how much of it is in play
you mean the supply?
>Also, the value of the economy is derived from the dollar not the other way around you retard. The economy can grow without the dollar growing.
the value of the economy is EXPRESSED in dollars not derived from the value of the dollar.
>>70747464
Top 10% is like 120K+ isn't it? It's actually lower than it used to be.
>>70758923
The fact that's he's rich and still is complaining about problems is proof those problems are very real. So fuck off.
>>70747917
>>70747658
Both of these statements are true.
>>70759886
Sorry that's not an argument. You need to limber up for the gymnastics required to explain away his praise for breadlines, censorship, and concentrated limitless authority.
>>70747464
>what are scholarships
>what is need-based aid
>what are literally dozens of accredited universities in each state
It's literally easier for a broke kid to get into college than a well-to-do one. The problem is they major in bullshit degrees like English or African American studies rather than biz, STEM, etc.
OR, and this is more likely the case, these dumbasses think the only way to make it is to ball, sling drugs, or something equally short sighted and retarded. One of my friends is a recruiter for a major university and he's surprised how many idiots there are approaching his table whenever he visits high schools. Most of the people who gripe about social mobility would get eaten alive and dropped back down to their proper class given the opportunity to move up. That's why very few move up and stay there.
>>70758679
So you really do believe that because someone is rich, that means someone else had to become poorer to make it so?
>>70760480
that's what i tried to tell him. he literally acts like this is a zero sum game. he says he's voting for trump but i highly doubt it.
>>70747464
>If you're born poor, you're probably going to die poor.
No, if you're born to idiot parents then you will end up an idiot, as well as poor (niggers). If your parents cared about your education and showed you the right path in life then you will climb out of poverty. Leftist drones are just lazy and ignorant and want to live a middle class lifestyle while working a brainless service job.
>>70758667
typical response from the screeching arm flailing bernout. i can tell you literally cant even right now. next time pick something i said and make your case refuting it rather than throwing a hissy fit.
>>70747464
Bernouts just complain because they're lazy losers. There is no ceiling to what one man can accomplish through hard work in the U.S. and if you disagree you are truly ignorant.
>>70760853
This. Family structure and parenting ability trump all things when it comes to a child's development into a Bernout or a functioning adult.
>>70761601
>remember it takes a village to raise a child :^)
>like that time in history that never happened when villages were collectively responsible for other people's children
ah yes the good old days when i could have a kid and just let the village raise it. love those communist fanfiction memes.
