>2016
>thinking anything but solar power is a good idea
The worlds greatest achievement, the ISS, uses solar. Breeder reactors are unproven, thorium is a new age hippy scam, and current nuclear waste can't be dealt with safely.
Solar power is safe, and you can not be a cuck and actually produce your own power by buying and installing your own panels.
Every house in the world should be solar powered.
You are correct.
>>70706148
you are incorrect
>>70706450
You are incorrect.
>>70706376
You are correct.
>>70706148
>nuclear waste can't be dealt with safely
like dumping it in the ocean or burying it in the ground where nobody can reach it is not safe enough to be considered safe
>>70706148
>doesn't understand that making solar panels creates horrendous amounts of pollution
>doesn't understand that making batteries for the power those solar panels generate creates even more
Just watch what happens to environmental laws in Nevada after Tesla's gigafactory opens.
The manufacturing process for photovoltaic panels requires toxic chemicals and produces toxic waste.
>>70706148
Nobody wants to buy your shitty pyramid scheme solar panels. Fuck off.
>>70706503
>You are incorrect.
You are incorrect
>>70706722
Can't toxic/radioactive waste just be shot in space or thrown in a fucking volcano or some shit?
>>70706148
Solar power exists wholly on the back government subsidies. It's gotten dramatically cheaper over the last decade, still not there.
t. a DBA for a solar company
>>70706884
>>You are incorrect.
>You are incorrect
You are incorrect
>>70706722
>implying it's worse then radioactive smoke coming out of nuclear power-plants
Mmmhm. You are incorrect.
>>70707247
>Radioactive smoke
Please, for the love of everything good, kill yourself in the most painful way imaginable
As a bonus, if we use enough solar power we can counteract global warming. How about placing a fuckhuge array of panels into geostationary orbit over Africa? Could even make it inhabitable again, though it would be interesting how flora and fauna will cope with eternal night.
Fusion or bust.
The Rosetta mission nicely displayed the uselessness of Solar Power.
>>70706148
>solar panels in space are the same as solar panels on earth.
>>70707247
>Smoke
>That flag
Oh, OK nevermind I won't even waste my time.
>>70706958
Launching it into space is not remotely feasible, and incinerating it just puts toxic shit into the air.
>>70707325
They all will either be SHUTDOWN or spit out radioactive smoke sooner or later.
>>70706958
Throwing them in a volcano would be literally the worse idea ever. Now, a subduction zone... that said, biting the bullet and recycling is the better choice because it allows for thousands or hundred of thousands of years, rather than tens or hundreds of thousands.
>>70706148
Biology.
>>70707369
>t-t-t-they don't spit out radioactive smoke
They sure do, sooner or later they will break.
>>70707560
Kek
Fuck off
>>70707609
That's literally all you can respond with. Get an education.
>>70706148
>NAME ONE GOOD REASON WHY NOT
Those aren't solar panels. They are radiators.
>>70707480
>>70707417
Then can we dig a big ass hole in south russia or idk antarctica (prolly not a good idea) and pile that shit up there. Just as a general idea.
>>70706148
>>thinking anything but solar power is a good idea
A single river in Quebec, 138km away from anyone or anything, being dammed 4 times in a row (because why not) is going to provide 1 550 MW of power, 8 TWh of average production annually.
Power that can be turned on or off with no waste to match demand while "storing" excess power. Power that is infinitely renewable. Power with very little environmental impact.
Fuck your solar or wind power.
>Breeder reactors are unproven
Didn't the test one run for 30 fucking years?
>>70707560
>>70707437
>unironically using Chernobyl as an example of why nuclear power plants are bad.
You're fucking stupid.
>>70707840
It will get into the groundwater.
>>70707993
Lots of mines go deeper than aquifers.
>>70707952
That reactor was literally the most safe reactor design and run perfectly, yet for no reason it exploded. Do you even know the numbers of how many children have autism because of the radiation? Think before you speak.
>>70708035
There's too much waste for it to be practical to bury it that deep.
>>70706148
solar panels are a technology with niche applications, not suitable for baseline power generation
solar panels require energy and materials to be manufactured
the energy comes from coal power plants in china
the materials include rare earth elements that are polluting to mine
and remember these panels have a limited lifetime, so they need to be replaced periodically
aside from that, solar energy is very dilute, which means you need to cover very large surfaces with panels to capture significant amount of energy
it is also intermittent, never available when you need it most, and there are no efficient ways to store it
all the currently existing solar power plants rely on fossil plants
TLDR: OP is a faggot
>>70708058
>most safe
>for no reason it exploded
kek
>>70707993
Fuck that whole area. There should be a way to know where the pools are and what would be a safe area, also deeper hole.
>>70707350
The fauna will all get on boats over the Mediterranean. Fuck that.
>>70708058
That flag. Chwrnobyl safe.
>>70706148
I'm not living in the land of kangaroos.
We don't have limitless unused space where to put millions of solar panels to satisfy our energy needs.
It may be viable for the desert peoples and for the strayans, but not for yurop.
>>70708236
>baseline power
I think it really depends. If enough solar power is generated then even inefficient power storage solutions (like pumped water) become valuable.
>>70708058
>how many children have autism because of the radiation?
My keks are all gone, good one Ozzie.
Cold fusion reactors soon comrades
Fuck the solar power homos and their gay nigger shit
>>70708236
>implying even conventional batteries don't solve ALL of the problems you listed.
You are incorrect.
>>70706148
Because it hasn't been sunny here in Scotland for months. Am I just supposed to live without electricity for most of the year?
>>70708058
>how many children have autism
At the very least, you
>>70708524
>Because it hasn't been sunny here in Scotland for months. Am I just supposed to live without electricity for most of the year?
No, you are supposed to use wind power you dumb scot.
>>70708331
kekked
>>70708524
You literally get it shipped in by the gigawatt in huge batteries in shipping containers. Solar energy transportation is the future of the economy. The only risk is being blinded.
>>70708463
That was a low energy shitpost, fampai.
>>70706148
>>70706503
>>70707247
>>70707437
>>70707560
>>70707667
>>70708058
>>70708463
>>70708648
>he fell for the solar meme
>>70706148
I installed solar panels in my house last year. Solar energy is the future, you niggers.
>>70708058
This. My sister's autism is linked to when my uncle was working at Chernobyl back in the 80s. It's not a laughing matter.
>>70708691
My solar panel runs my tablet with 16GiB of RAM and SSD.
>>70708058
that's it. had me until autism
7/10
I find it funny how here, where we have sun pretty much the whole year and very little snow in the winter, solar energy is almost completely ignored, while northern european countries with bad climates and heavy winters are embracing it.
>>70708222
but that's a load of bullshit. We currently frack enough volume of shit to liquify shit to the tune of million of cubic meters. You could go to old fracking sites, pump that shit down in the many liquid forms you can make the stuff be, and lock it miles underground with dozens, upon dozens of layers of rock and clay.
>>70708716
They're just mad they don't get sick cunt tans like we do. They can enjoy whatever rainy shitty part of the world they are from, WE GOT SOLAR.
Maybe it is. But if it is, why does the government need to subsidize it? If it is so obviously better, why can it not stand on its own merits?
>>70708768
Because you have cheap coal and denbts.
>>70707851
14, they turn it on and off quite a few times for testing materials and stuff.
>>70708236
>solar panels make up the energy used in creation in 5 years and last 20.
Also, massive funding because of tax cuts have increased the technology. There will soon be a see through solar panel on the market that will replace windows in new skyscrapers.
>>70706148
The ISS is is in space you fucking idiot. You know, way out past the atmosphere?
Also its maintenance is extremely costly. The ISS exists because we want it to, not because it's economically profitable.
There's nothing wrong with current fission reactors when you don't build them on fault lines, the waste production is negligible.
That being said, solar is a good option for bringing power to regions before more robust infrastructure can be built. Mirrors are inexpensive and relatively light.
Distributed solar is a stupid meme. The signal quality is shit and the huge amounts of equipment needed to clean the signal so it doesn't fry every piece of electronics on the grid is incredible. The only reason it exists is because of laws requiring power companies to buy the solar power at prices above market value, and as much as there is regardless of demand, which is retarded, because solar power production peaks during the mid day, but demand peaks in the evening.
>>70708779
There's a facility in Nevada constructed to house nuclear waste. But all the butthurt Americans think nuclear is dangerous because there's nowhere to put the waste. Ironically, there is.
>>70706148
From a tachnickal pov solar is supirior to all curent energy forms.
NO FRICTION!
No turbine parts to be changed. No loud noises. You can slap a pannel or two almost every where.
Downside is you need sun light. The cirrent energy format is not suitebel fpr ouer curent devices.
Not enath power.
>>70706148
>current nuclear waste can't be dealt with safely
What Africa is for? Just throw the waste to them, pretty sure it will also lower the birth rate.
Overpopulation and societal collapse will have humanity bombing itself into the Stone Age well before muh global warming drowns the costal cities.
Sit back and ride it out. Watch the last polar bear surf off into the pacific gyre with a cocktail in your hand faggot.
Also learn how to live without your conveniences.
>>70706148
>Every house in the world should be solar powered.
Slight problem with that faggot, see my flag for details!
>>70709001
Technically, it's unfinished and massive overbudget, which of course means it cannot possibly be used. Ignore the fact it's massively overbudget because it keeps getting sued to stop and being forced to change plans to accomodate ever more stupid demands (best example of this being in france with the Superphenix, Flamanville, and Plogoff).
>>70707840
How fucking stupid are you?
If we dig a hole in Antarctica the world's oceans will start to drain and pour out the edge.
>>70709200
Use it as fence material burry it in the ground.
Who ever toches, climbs,digs under the fence is marked. Or poisend.
Police will find them easier.
Or use such high concentrations of radio active material that standing near it is deadly.
>>70708370
I made a rough calculation
producing enough power for the entire world would require about 270000 km2 of panels and cost around 250 trillion dollars
then again, it was just a crappy calculation
>>70709665
Once calculated based upon best tech available in solar. It would require a 48km squared panel to power just the Empire State Building in NYC. Double that to store enough in batteries to last the night.
>>70706148
>the ISS, uses solar
That's because it's in space, so its solar panels rotate to face the sun and maximize their exposure. There is no atmosphere in the way, no snow, rain, or dust. Solar in space is good, solar on the planet sucks.
I do have to say, having all homes have solar panels and batteries isn't a bad idea. Hell, making a combined thermal, photovoltaic ceiling with a green roof shit going on would be pretty interesting construction. Self-sufficiency (to an extended), and greenery. I have no issue with that. But basing your energy policy to power the nation rather than encouraging people to do this as a supplement.
>>70709527
... Hands, you crazy bastard, that might just work if you want to make a crazy ass way to keep people from crossing. Add a bit of lead to make sure it basically only shoots radiation upward, and it's literally the world's most horrible fence. I knew the mass murdering genes were still there somewhere.
>>70709665
also these panels need to be changed every 5 years, so this power costs 50 trillion dollars a year
in comparison doing it with oil costs about 3 trillions a year
Solar can never take over power generation, it can only really displace peak loads in areas with lots of sun.
Wind is a much better nonrenewable power source that doesn't really on any rare earths or other types of toxic chemicals to produce.
Nuclear waste has never been a problem. The vast majority of nuclear waste has sat in what amounts to swimming pools for half a century without any problems. The problems comes with people wanting to "dispose" of nuclear waste rather than keeping it safe and close by where it can be looked after.
Either way nuclear can't compete with cheap gas and wind.
Fracking is leading the way to a natural gas powered economy but we need to start thinking about carbon neutral ways to produce it. Fermenting algae or some shit. It can't be that hard to produce fart gas on an industrial scale.
What good will solar power be when the Sun collapses in on itself?
Checkmate atheists
>>70710608
>wind
just another meme power source
those turbines are expensive, need to be replaced over time, you need a lot of them, they are subject to intermittence, etc
>>70710799
Not all that expensive, they aren't any more expensive than the the turbines in other kinds of power plants. Ever kind of power generation requires parts that need to be replaced with time.
Oh and you know what that means? Jobs. Decent paying jobs for normal people to build and replace turbines. Not just more money going to those gooks to buy more solar panels from china.
Yes individual fields have some intermitence though there are many places where the wind blows almost constantly. But if you have many wind fields they can make up for one not having a windy day where as solar has all of your power generation go completely silent for almost half the day.
Natural gas turbines do a great job of coming online quickly and can take up any slack from lagging wind. Great combo.
>>70711576
>Not all that expensive, they aren't any more expensive than the the turbines in other kinds of power plants.
you sure? because they are very different
gas turbines are longer than wider, the blades are subjected to little flexing stress and can be made of steel
wind turbines are very wide, their blades have lots of cycling flexing and normal stresses and have to made of lightweight materials
>>70712302
pic for comparison
>>70706148
You call that a shitpost?
>>70712302
Those are essentially airplane wings, mate. Plus, putting them on the sea you essentially assure permanent winds. Of all "green" energies, that's probably one of the less stupid ways to go about it. Plus, the stresses involved in those power generation turbines are orders of magnitude greater, involving far greater temperatures and pressures. It's not a good comparison.
>>70706148
> b-but solar power...
Good luck getting solar power at night or in winter (when you need it most)
> b-but batteries
Good luck buying a 1MWh battery (because this is how much capacity an average person would need to store seasonal fluctuations in 100 regenerative electricity supply) that costs ~1 million dollars, stores 50 dollars worth of energy and goes tits up within 15 years.
> b-but ISS
There is a reason more serious deep-space missions use nuclear batteries instead
>>70712493
its not about how large the stress is but that in wind turbines its cycling
in airplane wings it doesnt cycle at all
and in gas turbines it doesnt cycle either, weight of the blades is insignificant, and the gas pressure, although not constant, doesnt change direction
the importance of cycling stresses is that they wear down the structure, making it last less time
gas turbines last for 40-50 years
wind turbines last for 10-15 years, maybe
>>70712302
Those long bits that flex are just fiberglass blades, fairly cheap to make and replaceable.
The electricity generating part is in the center and just like all power aside from solar it works by spining wires and inducing current using magnetic fields.
Bearing will need to be replaced but that is true of all rotating parts.
If anything wind turbines are better since hot gases or liquid don't move through them so you can just replace parts instead of having to replace the whole thing.
>>70707238
<<Incorrect you are.
>>70712839
>Those long bits that flex are just fiberglass blades, fairly cheap to make
>these are cheap goy, trust me
ill believe you when you give me a source on their cost
>>70706148
For you cunts maybe.
Some of us don't live on convict island.
solar power is pointless until we can get over 90 percent efficiency
>>70707247
>smoke
>not knowing how power generators work
>>70712797
You have no fucking clue what you are talking about. A gas turbine has an average lifetime of just 9 years/45k hours of use, with the high end Siemens bullshit some times getting 15 years/100k hours of use in best case scenerios. A gas POWERPLANT might last 40-50 years before the stack system has to be replaced, but the actual turbines don't last anywhere near as long as that, with the replacements being a regular thing one designs powerplants around.
Additionally, what the fuck is this thing about not cycling? Does a few thousand revolutions per second, being started up and slowed down a couple thousand times in their lifetime, not count as a bloody cycle? And fucking hell, we have wind turbines currently older than that, with the average wind turbine being design for 20 years of no replacement service, something easy to do if you are spinning at less than a few hundred times per second and most of your maintenance goes to keeping your wings clean and the axle unbent.
Sweet jesus, solar power baseliners are retarded, but you don't show them they are retarded by being even more retarded and ignorant!
>>70713011
I live in a town that makes them, I know how much people are paid and how much money the company makes.
http://windpower.sandia.gov/other/031428.pdf
So it looks like 80 to 160k per megawatt hour with a lifespan of 25+ years.
You can't just look at the cost of generation though. For coal, oil or gas you have to include the cost of mining or drilling.
>>70710799
>X new technology wont completely replace oil, therefore it is useless
you people just need to die already. i mean i have stock in exxon too but holy fuck.
>>70713402
10% efficency is more than enough if we can produce room temperature superconductors.
Losseless power transmition means we could generate all of our power in places with lots of sun.
>>70713485
Perhaps in a naive attempt at not calling everyone in this thread stupid, I want to presume he is talking about radioactive leaks.
>>70713680
That's already included in the price of the fucking power you cunt. Are you thinking the people mining the coal are doing it for free, like some sort of canadian oompa loompa?
>>70713793
hey it is hard to find good numbers between subsidies and political bullshit I don't really trust any of the numbers I can find in a quick search.
Things change even more if you try to factor in environmental impact into the price.
Cancer caused by fly ash or silicon tetra-chloride may not cost us in utility bills but in more taxes or higher premiums to pay for medical treatments.
