In the modern society, you can get almost anything for money. Pic related is willing to bare herself for a few hundred bucks. Do you think more then 25% of girls would refuse to have sex for a million dollars? Do you think less than 25% of guys would refuse?
>>70685390
Yes.
>>70685390
slavery you literally own a people for life, with capitalism you can only rent a person as long as you have something they want
Imagine having say, 10 billion dollars. Say you invest it all and earn 5% of it yearly. That is 500 million. You can offer more than one person a day 1 million dollars for any action you see fit.
The difference is with capitalism everyone has the opportunity to be rich.
>>70685390
> Is there any difference between slavery and capitalism for the rich?
> answers own stupid question by talking about how much that whore got PAID to strip off and pose by a piano
if the whore was a slave she wouldnt get paid to strip she would simply be ordered to do so.
youre so retarded you cant figure out how capitalism works, and fundamentally misunderstand the nature of slavery.
now go back to your poli-sci prof and have him tell you the appropriate marxian response to my statements.
no peeking!
(inB4 stalin's "freedom to starve isnt freedom at all" quote)
>>70685530
I explicitly said, difference for the rich. Obviously, it would suck to be a slave. But why would a rich person own a slave? Nowadays, money can buy almost anything, from almost anyone, while the number of slaves was limited. The rich are having a better time today then during slavery.
>>70685870
> self-referential posts
> yep, OP is a faggot
Slave:
no choice as to whether they do what massah wants
Free Person:
your proffered compensation is insufficient to induce my compliance with your wishes.
raise your offer or find another person to strip nekkid and pose by a piano.
> clearly no difference!
fuck yourself with a fire plug you retarded faggot.
>>70685390
I only accept capitalism when it benefits the nation and it's people. The second it turns to degenerate exploitation of the country and the people, valuing money more than the nation, I think you have to put some Jews into an over.
>>70686572
Ancient Rome:
>>Richfag
>>See a 10/10
>>Want to see naked
>>Ask her to undress
>>get slapped
>>"I am a free citizen".
>>I fail.
Modern capitalism:
>>Richfag
>>See a 10/10
>>Want to see naked
>>Ask her to undress
>>No!
>I'll give you 1 million dollars.
>>at least 75% chance of success.
>>70687062
disgusting and degenerate desu
>>70687187
The entire entertainment industry nowadays has a purpose of inducing a money addiction, which leaves the younger generations more susceptible to indecent offers.
>>70687062
Are you retarded? Ancient Romans had money too and it was also in the hands of a small minority.
I think a better argument for your opinion is wage slavery, having to work 30 hours a week to pay for food, rent and other basic stuff.
In the medieval times peasants were much poorer but they also worked less than us.
>>70687764
But the free people were not as consumption oriented as today, and had much higher sense of honor.
>>70687971
The patricians probably, but I'm pretty sure the plebs were about the same as us now.
>>70686759
The point of degenerate exploitation will inevitably happen, desu senpai, but only after the point of no return, when the combined resources of the non-rich cannot challenge those of the rich.
>>70687967
source?
methinks you'll find the truth to be far different,anon
i hate the real estate system. it could be worse but it's just so broken. there are no cheap housing options
>here goy buy a cheap $20k trailer and give me $500 lot rent per month!
>here goy get a cheap $80k condo and give me $200 in HOA fees per month!
>here goy buy a real home, only property taxes. Oh, don't forget to pay your real estate agent 6% for signing a paper!
>oy vey, someone's trying to build affordable housing. Quick make it illegal it in the town hall!
>>70688284
Yeah it's sad. I'm still finishing university but just the thought of having to work 15-20 years to pay off a decent house depresses me.
>>70687967
>>70688284
The costs of a richfag to have a devoted productive worker relative to his total wealth are orders of magnitude lower than what it took a Roman richfag to feed his slaves.
the capitalist slave works as he thinks he is an inconvenienced future millionaire.
>>70688514
i'm really really hoping 3D concrete printed houses takes off soon. I just want to watch the market collapse when houses can be built for half the price.
it probably won't happen like that but I can dream
>>70688659
And he is far less likely to stab his master in his sleep, desu.
>>70685390
It's cheaper to hire someone for minimum wage than provide food, shelter and healthcare to a slave.
>ITT: there is absolutely no difference between the force of the whip and consensual voluntary contractual agreements
We seriously need to gas everyone left of moderate social democracy.
>>70688775
Did say that moments ago.
>>70687062
>wealthy Roman getting slapped
That's funny. He would have raped and maybe killed her. Wealth, rights, and power weren't given to women (a few exceptions exist, of course)
>>70688906
The complaint seems to be that they aren't as consensual and voluntary as they could be due to monopolies and plutocracy.
>>70688210
If I wanted sex with a monkey I'd go to the zoo
>>70688954
Then the husband would have a legal right to orally assault the perpertrator, by Roman law. Romans weren't cucks like Yurope today.
>>70689038
name a single monopoly that exists right now
>>70689211
MLB
>>70689211
Medicine. Electricity. Drinking water. Waste disposal.
>>70689211
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!
>>70687521
Thanks, Google.
>>70688906
The main point of the argument isn't whether the workers have more liberties than slaves, the point is that the rich can get almost anything they could during slavery, through the power of money.
>>70689442
kek
Slavery becoming obsolete is a GOOD thing
>>70689313
Even if that were true it has no detrimental effects on society since it's a luxury entertainment product
>>70689334
none of those are monopolies
>>70689442
>just assuming xe is a woman because xe has boobs, a thin body, and an hourglass shape
TRIGGERED
>>70689578
so? the rich get those things through enticement and convincing- the people who agree to the rich's demands do so of their own volition because they have something to gain
the main premise of your argument seems to be that it would be better if we all lost liberty so long as the rich can no longer buy sex.
>>70689665
MLB is a monopoly. It's the only monopoly that's allowed to exist in the United States. I forgot why, but there was some reasoning for it like a hundred years ago.
Never said it was detrimental, you just wanted to know if there were any monopolies.
>>70689665
>none of those are monopolies
They are, though. You're forced to use one in particular, and new ones essentially can't be created to compete. We actually have a huge issue here with telecoms, in that one company owns the vast majority of our telecommunication network, and all other companies go through them, meaning that they have no incentive to ever do better.
And in the USA, most(?) places don't let you collect drinking water, so you're forced to buy it from whomever holds monopoly.
>>70689871
So it's a female hand.... We're onto something here, lads!
>>70685390
I'm sure 100% of adult women would consent to sex for a million dollars.
>>70689931
Utilities companies have what's called local monopolies. They're regulated by many different watchdog public organizations, which means their monopolistic tendencies are fairly neutered.
>>70689839
very well
>>70689931
there are multiple waste disposal and electricity companies in my area.
the problems you state with water and medicine arise from too much government regulation, not too much capitalism.
i should have asked it this way: name monopolies that exist right now without the help of the coercive force of government, which OP seems to want to get rid of capitalism or something else retarded
I get the point OP. Capitalism can come very near to slavery if the wealth gap gets too high (only upper and lower class). If the rich own all the land, resources, capital, and especially government people become reliant on th em to such an extent that freedom is an illusion, they are defacto slaves.
>>70689795
The enticement and convincing are usually just giving away money. And for some people, money is effectively infinite.
I am not saying this is either good or bad. It's just that this is the way it is.
>>70690157
>the problems you state with water and medicine arise from too much government regulation, not too much capitalism.
Wasn't there a hug kerfuffle over some life saving drug recently, which the patent owner decided to triple the price of?
>>70690299
yes, and that was only allowed to happen because there were multiple companies with the same product that were not allowed to sell in the US because FDA regulations had not approved them yet.
>>70690279
money is the physical embodiment of providing service for your fellow man- in a truly capitalist society, people are made rich by providing superior products to humans
there is literally nothing wrong with this unless you are a bitter permavirgin who is butthurt that the rich are rewarded for being better providers of services than you
>>70690244
The problem is, that once the wealth gap reaches that point, the lower classes can do nothing, since their combined resources are no longer a treat to the reach. At that point the rich could literately enslave the lower classes, and no one could stop them. Although there would be no need for that.
>>70690299
It was some young CEO who decided to raise some kind of HIV medication by several thousand dollars per pill. Huge public outcry made him back down. That's more of an example of companies having unique products and how medicine is a unique market, rather than anything to do with monopolies
>>70690644
How many times have that happened? How many real examples can you give?
>>70690590
Most money in a truly capitalist society isn't earned. It is inherited.
Slavery - Involuntary. No choice.
capitalism - Free choice. If you make good decisions you and your children will prosper. If you make bad decisions you will suffer. That suffering may feel like slavery but you have only yourself, or parents, to blame.
>>70690817
less than 1/3 of the billionaire's on forbes 500 inherited their wealth. try again
>>70690817
False.
20% of millionaires in the US earned it. 80% of millionaires in the US are first generation millionaires. outside the US things might be different.
>>70690805
It did not yet. But think of this: as the technology develops and more and more wealth is available, there would be a point at which the lower classes have everything they need. Like, litterarlt, A huge house, two cool hovercrafts, a space ship.., At that point, the rich would exert almost no influence. Do you think they would allow that to happen? Either they will stop the technological development, or they will keep increasing the wage gap until it is obscene.
>>70691186
Forgot my citation
http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0810/7-millionaire-myths.aspx
>>70690682
>That's more of an example of companies having unique products and how medicine is a unique market, rather than anything to do with monopolies
That's specifically a monopoly, though.
>>70690817
Source?
Besides, I don't think very many people really argue for a true laissez faire economy
>>70691186
20% inherited it, 80% earned it, you misspoke
>>70691250
Oh, you mean the same CEO that was later convicted on fraud a couple months later... Justice was served so why are you complaining?
would i take money to do something i do all the time anyways?
sure why not
>>70691362
thanks for the correction
>>70685390
wage-slavery is much more efficient than regular slavery from the perspective of the slavemaster.
>>70691423
I'm not talking about justice. I'm talking monopoly.
>>70685749
>capitalism
>everyone has the opportunity to be rich.
lol
>>70691653
>>70691535
see
>>70691127
>>70691186
you poorfags deserve literally everything they get.
>>70691580
but the case you cited told us how monopolies get punished, so it's irrelevant
>>70691793
why the fuck did you reply to me?
i said nothing about the incoherence of wealth. OP asked a question specifically FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE WEALTHY, and from the perspective of the modern wealthy person it's far more efficient to employ someone than to enslave them.
the morality of the subject, or how the wealthy person came to be wealthy is irrelevant to the original question, which was the difference from the perspective of the wealthy - and the difference is efficiency.
>>70691237
>it did not yet
Everything else you said is science fiction. We can't predict the future
>>70691250
It's close, but not the same. A medication for HIV is unique, but is still a single product among similar products in a larger market for medicine. A monopoly would be a single company controlling all HIV medications, or all of medicine in general.
If you want to argue about the health market, I'm not gonna - that shit is too complicated because the demand curve is so different than most markets
>>70691919
>incoherence
how in the name of fuck did that end up in there.
inheritance, obviously.
>>70691919
>>70691971
i was mainly butthurt that you referred to employers as literal slaveowners, which is commie kike speak
>>70691127
>>70691186
>>70691246
I am not saying that the money isn't being redistributed. What I mean by earning money is creating new wealth, by producing new things. Nowadays, we still have a significant technological development, leading to a significant generation of new wealth. But when we reach a technological saturation, then there will be no room for first generation billionaires.
Alternatively, if the technological development does not saturate, see >>70691237.
>>70692149
>zero-basis speculation about future wealth generation
you started this thread memeing about how current billionaires can buy anything they want, you got btfo by being proven that billionaires/millionaires by and large earned their wealth in the first generation, and now you're changing the goalposts
please go back to r9k
>>70691793
>but the case you cited told us how monopolies get punished, so it's irrelevant
It wasn't punished for being a monopoly, though. He was punished for fraud.
>>70692893
The fact that most current billionairs are first generation doesn't change the fact that billionairs can buy almost anything, which was the point of the thread.
I wouldn't call this a zero-basis speculation.
I gave two options. The only remaining one is that everyone is rich as fuck and we all live happily ever after. Is that what you believe will happen? That, or the world will end.
>>70691966
>A medication for HIV is unique, but is still a single product among similar products in a larger market for medicine.
Of course, that was just one high profile example. There are plenty other types of medicines which are held by monopoly. My wife is on a drug for some hormonal thing, which is produced by only one company thanks to a broad patent.
>>70693333
Are there not alternative treatments? (the kind of alternatives that a real doctor would recommend, not some hippie faggot.)
Nice repeating digits, btw
>>70693712
Not for her particular malady. Not that big of a concern, nor very common, so it wouldn't be much of a money maker.
>>70686759
Yes, the oven is the only solution.
>>70685749
If I have 90% of the world's wealth and am unwilling to relinquish it you are somewhat limited in your opportunity without committing a crime.
>>70694470
And if I had the Deathstar, I would blow the planet up.
These kinds of examples don't get us anywhere
>>70694470
I couldn't agree more. And even if you do want to commit a crime, how could you possibly defeat someone who has 90% of the wealth.
>>70691653
>everyone>everyone
>everyone>everyone>everyone
>everyone>everyone>everyone>everyone
>>70690938
It's like saying you have a choice to pay your taxes
>work or starve
>work or can't pay bills and/or go to jail
>be rich and do nothing all day
There is a cult of personality surrounding the rich and famous that gives them considerable power over the "less fortunate".
>>70685390
It's not slavery if someone has choice of how to earn money, and what to spend that money on.
if you're poor in the US with all these nigs and shitskins to rule over, you're retarded
>>70695307
>work or starve
Yeah, working for survival is how it works for every living thing ever
>be rich and do nothing all day
Nice meme
>>70695307
kys mah main man
>>70694676
>implying everyone can own a Deathstar
>>70694723
That just depends on who we are talking about. Some people are more available than others.
>>70685390
The difference is that once they get their million dollars, they will leave you. And once leaving you, they have a million dollars.
Neither of those things are possible under slavery. However, at least a slave knew they were a slave. People under capitalism are too willing to play by the rules. I honestly think the world would be a better place if people were more willing to revolt.
>>70685390
As a guy I'd take a cock in my mouth for $1million.
