Is National Libertarianism basically a non-existent/meme-tier ideology?
Whenever I state a list of my views it's what people tend to classify me as, but it hardly seems like a proper branch of libertarianism so it leaves me a a bit confused.
To sum up the views for starters
Typical libertarian views:
>Want limited welfare state that focuses on helping people actively seeking employment while punishing the lazy
>Don't care about who or pretends to be what or who fucks who as long as it's been two consenting adults, but change the legal age for sex to 15
>Most drugs should be legalized (LSD, Weed, MDMA, psilocybin mushrooms, DMT, cocaine etc.)
>Gun ownership (without limitations such as NFA and SBR rules) to be alllowed, concealed carry also allowed.
>Free market is for the most part good but don't go too extreme on this
>Privacy from government, very limited internet surveillance etc.
>Unlimited Freedom of speech
While on the nationalist side of things
>Strong military
>At least 3 month compulsory conscription for men at 18, much for the sake of teaching basic life skills, (women can be sent to do some other shit for 3 months)
>Not sure about global warming, but want the nature of my country to be preserved nevertheless
>Stop letting in/deport shitskins and muslims. If immigration is deemed necessary for economic reasons then prioritize people from white countries (i.e poland.)
>To an extent at least promote Christian values
>Promote patriotism/love for your country
I'm sure I forgot a bunch of things, but that's at least some of it. So is a society that functions like this plausible, or just a fantasy fairyland? The likelihood of such a set of ideas ever becoming the dominant values of a country is extremely unlikely, so no point getting any hopes up, but still. Does it classify as National Libertarianism, does it have another name, or does it simply not fit into one category?
>>70659727
>B-but muh Poles steal jobs and sandniggers don't steal jobs!
>>70659727
bump
>>70660178
You both steal jobs to an extent, but I'd still rather have you than kebabs and goatshaggers.
>>70659727
>Want limited welfare state that focuses on helping people actively seeking employment while punishing the lazy
>Don't care about who or pretends to be what or who fucks who as long as it's been two consenting adults, but change the legal age for sex to 15
>Most drugs should be legalized (LSD, Weed, MDMA, psilocybin mushrooms, DMT, cocaine etc.)
>Gun ownership (without limitations such as NFA and SBR rules) to be alllowed, concealed carry also allowed.
>Free market is for the most part good but don't go too extreme on this
>Privacy from government, very limited internet surveillance etc.
>Unlimited Freedom of speech
basically heaven
>>70660410
That's what I think too, but perhaps too good to ever be true.
>>70659727
There are more of us than you think.
We are waiting for a new reserve currency to destabilize the US.
Hold on to your gold and silver, it's Blackbeard economics time.
>>70659727
I have a similar thing. It's very real. Half the people commenting on Mises.org are like that too if that means anything. It's definitely a thing, though you won't get to see it anytime soon.
The current media "mainstream" is more about universalized collectivism.
>>70659727
Compulsory conscription is closer to third world shit than utopia
>>70661371
It's a cheap way to have a large, semi-capable fighting force.
It's in no way limited to third world countries either, see for instance Norway, Finland and Switzerland.
>>70661227
Interesting. But is "National Libertarianism" the correct term then?
>>70659727
I'm basically you bro, save for on compulsory service.
>>70661227
me too bruh
>>70661520
i realize it's not only third world countries, but that's essentially restricting people's freedom
>>70659727
I'm about the same, except I don't really care about patriotism, Christian values, or the compulsory conscription. I agree with you on immigration, just let in those who can assimilate best, whoever they are.
>>70661371
I'm usually a don't tread on me fag, but in a libertarian world, if you want to maintain national cohesion, short term compulsory attendance with nationals for a national interest is an efficient way to build societal consciousness.
A non negligible part of ancient Romans losing their ways was to stop conscription and rely on masses of foreign mercenaries led first by a few professional officers then by foreign mercenary leaders.
It would also noticeably diminish the number of nu males complete faggots that would otherwise appear in the world of plenty brought by free industry.
>>70661861
You're right, it is. But I think 3 months is a sacrifice worth making for the values it brings.
I know conscription won't turn everyone into an ideal citizen, but it will still teach some basic things like discipline, hard physical work, how to make a bed/cook, etc. And of course most importantly also heavily strengthen your country in case of conflict.
I think this is less of an issue in the US though because people seem to be willing to join your military in large enough numbers anyhow.
>>70659727
This. I would consider myself a national libertarian. I hope it become a thing
>>70661227
>Half the people commenting on Mises.org are like that too if that means anything
I have seen it here too. The nationalists complain about big government and wants gun rights and to run their own lives, while the libertarians complains about immigration and leftist stupidity. Here they are almost the same movement.
>>70662189
>the values it brings
meant the benefits it brings, whoops.
Difficult ideology to remove kebab with
>>70662327
The kebab invasion was not caused by libertarian principles but by socialism and therefore, many libertarians that I know of support the removal of them.
The ideology of 1800-1920s Britain and America? Count me in, Nationalist Libertarian sounds exactly like what we need. Doesn't /pol/ always argue for this kind of society without ever calling it what it is?
>>70660256
Nah, Poles steal your car, sandniggers steal everything else
>>70662539
I think a lot of the things I mentioned would get the degeneracy stamp by most of /pol/
Mainly the drugs and individual freedoms for sexuality etc
>>70662539
Yeah, it sure does. We got to start some campaign promoting it.
>>70662667
Spread it like wiiiildfiiiire!!!!!
>>70661861
Starship troopers, man.
>>70661770
I knew beforehand that I would get on high score for the unbarraged. I'm more concerned about my score with Greens. How do people even vote for them? They are terrorist tier. I'd unironically rather have sharia law.
>>70662189
I think I can agree with that. I think that the number of infantry in the US military is also not very comparable to the sorts of programs and weapons we make with the way we massively outspend every other nation in terms of defense budgets
I agree with OP 100%. What is this political stance called?
>>70659727
>Is National Libertarianism basically a non-existent/meme-tier ideology?
Libertarianism is hippie right-wing BS
National liberalism exists and is real.
>>70659727
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>>70659727
You want your ideology to win ? Then vote here and help to derail this shitty survey
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>>70662800
>hippi
>right wing
>>70662800
How is it hippy? I don't want a flower power society where everyone sits and gets high and does nothing. The lack of a welfare states punishes the lazy, so only responsible usage of substances will work out for people. If you snort some coke on a friday, I don't really give a shit. If you smoke three grams of weed every day and drown in TV and cheetos and you're unemployed, then you're an issue.
>>70659727
I agree with absolutely everything except for the conscription at 18. The U.S. military does fine with just volunteers (incentive based.)
>>70662539
I miss Gladstone tbqh familia.
>>70663223
See
>>70662189
I agree conscription is not a necessity in the US, because you actually have a good amount of patriotism and willingness to serve. Western Europe in general could use it I think though.
National Libertarianism is /pol/s official ideology
>>70659727
OP you have my sword, but I'd maybe bump the military service to 6 months.
>>70659727
Makes sense since if you'd just get swarmed by immigrants with a Libertarian government with a hands-off policy on the economy if you didn't keep them the fuck out.
If you promote patriotism and love for your nation, do you really need mandatory military conscription?
Other than that, 10/10
>>70661371
>Denmark
>Switzerland
>Finland
>Israel
>Norway
>>70663708
Yeah. Comes with the issue of them already being here but who doesn't think mass deportations are fun :^)
>>70661134
I don't think so, just think about classic liberal Britain or America about 100 years ago, or maybe even 1950s America
>>70663708
A considerable number of them stay rather than go back to their shitholes because of the gibsmedat opportunities. Not to mention white people are basically subsidizing population replacement with family subventions.
People would be much more open about hating the savages too, and in certain districts I can imagine a virtual ban on various kind of undesirables. Without affirmative action stuff and without the mainstream media (90% of general news/politics newpapers would go bankrupt in less than a year without gibsmedat) there would be little difficulty in partially shielding yourself from the worst the world has to offer, like muslims, even if they lived close to you.
That's lolbertarianism without even the nationalist part.
>>70664448
>mfw a lefty uses the word "Victorian" as some sort of repellent
Also pic related to the thread.
>>70663708
Many uneducated and stupid third-worlders are only capable of residing in first-world countries because of welfare and socialised services. Even if they aren't directly consuming the taxpayer's money (government transfer payments such as pensions, welfare, etc.), they still increase demand for and deteriorate socialised services such as roads, healthcare, police, etc. If you remove welfare and mitigate taxpayer-funded services, many immigrants would self-deport (and, for that matter, so too would many native-parasites).
>>70664847
Absolutely, but 3rd worlders tend to stop being 3rd worlders when they migrate to a libertarian society, they have to be respectful, intelligent and hard working to get anywhere without the state's welfare
>>70662481
The only people that support their cultural destruction are the fucking idiots who would gladly get raped by shitskins over 3 more likes on kikebook. Which makes up an uncomfortable amount of the upcoming generation.
The current state of EU is just.. sad, really. I don't know what else there is to say.
