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Why is /pol/ not talking about this?
The return of city-states! In our lifetimes!
https://www.inverse.com/article/12898-the-futurist-start-up-sui-generis-is-uber-but-for-techno-socialist-city-states
Good.
On behalf of the People of Illinois I nominate Chicago to be the first.
>>70654356
I think they're aiming for third-world failed states...
Detroit maybe?
>>70654237
Essentially, Singapore, but for white people.
>>70654237
Yeah, i called it a long time ago. Nothing new.
"True. However, whether he is aware of it or not, Ajami is describing a world even more dangerous than the one Huntington envisions, especially when one takes into account Homer-Dixon's research on environmental scarcity. Outside the stretch limo would be a rundown, crowded planet of skinhead Cossacks and juju warriors, influenced by the worst refuse of Western pop culture and ancient tribal hatreds, and battling over scraps of overused earth in guerrilla conflicts that ripple across continents and intersect in no discernible pattern—meaning there's no easy-to-define threat. Kennan's world of one adversary seems as distant as the world of Herodotus."
Its all planned. Nothing happened on it own.
like this.
>>70654237
isn't that just glorified communist blocs ?
>>70654237
This is from Toronto. Google St. James Town, and Rosedale.
>>70655134
What's wrong with that? Shouldn't the goal be to slowly expand the good part? A second corporation could buy up the neighboring land and do the same thing.
>>70655246
There is no wealth redistribution, only dividends and return on initial investment. Also, it's completely voluntary, so if you want to never interact with the government, you can do that.
>>70655246
The underclass will dream of commie blocs. Their life will be Hong Kong style cage beds with the middle class being afforded the luxury of well furnished pod beds. Only the rich will know what it's like to have a private bathroom or kitchen.
>>70655479
Why wouldn't those people just leave? It's a city-state, not a full-sized country. The whole point of this place is to make living there desirable.
anybody who's lived in any major city would know this is true
>>70655633
>Why wouldn't those people just leave?
People that's where the jobs and other economic opportunities are. Given the choice between terrible living conditions and even worse living conditions with a massively increased likelihood of death the choice is obvious.
well ok I guess, seems like a pipe dream more than anything
>We want to liberate fun as an asset
This sounds retarded though
>>70654237
Neocameralist patchwork
>>70655884
So what's the problem? It's a guaranteed improvement on what's there now, and it's entirely possible that it might be a vast improvement.
As >>70655924 alludes to, if the first one is moderately successful, it could spur the creation of more, allowing for competition between city-states for people, thus further improving living conditions.
>>70656127
>So what's the problem?
I didn't say there was a problem. I only stated that the conditions would be significantly worse than the state housing in the Soviet Union.
>>70656279
Yes, but people would be at liberty to leave and find better luck elsewhere, a crucial freedom not given to soviet citizens.
>>70656279
That is definitely a possibility, but at worst the housing would stay at the general level it starts at, whereas Soviet housing inevitably got worse since there was no incentive to improve it until it was too late.
>>70656459
Like I said they might have the ability to leave but it's not necessarily a practical option unless they can go work for a competing entity. I also wasn't really getting into the politics of it since I think that's purely speculative at this point and any claims they're making are just stabs in the dark. Depending on implementation this could land anywhere from borderline ancap utopia to a psuedo-feudalistic state based on debt slavery. Considering the later has precedent in past and contemporary times I think it's much more likely than the former.
>>70656496
>but at worst the housing would stay at the general level it starts at
That depends on how fast your city is growing and how much new housing can be provided. Pretty much every major city has apartments getting smaller while monthly rents increase simply because there isn't enough space for how many people want to live there.
>>70657319
>That depends on how fast your city is growing and how much new housing can be provided. Pretty much every major city has apartments getting smaller while monthly rents increase simply because there isn't enough space for how many people want to live there.
They did mention that this is a problem they are focused on solving. It would be in their best interests (since they are based on profit, not votes) to allow immigration with those factors in mind.
>>70657648
Even if they're thinking profits there's still massive incentive to pack as many people as they can in. Having a large labor pool is a huge boon to anyone looking to make money.
>>70658252
I guess the problem is that the incentive might be to be more appealing than the third world countries surrounding it, rather than appealing compared to the world as a whole.
>>70658685
It's definitely more appealing than living in third world squalor and I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing as long as it doesn't hit the extreme lows of borderline slavery. What I suspect however is that the underclass becoming a kind of de facto slave class is an inevitability in this society. It takes very little to push people from a low-skill low social mobility workforce into a low-skill no social mobility.
>>70659359
>It takes very little to push people from a low-skill low social mobility workforce into a low-skill no social mobility.
But that's why the focus on exit is emphasized. If this thing becomes profitable, then it would incentivize others to make another one, which would compete with the first one for the laborers that are currently "slaves" in the first city.
At that point, the problem becomes the near-infinite supply of human capital available and willing to work in near-slave conditions. Then again, having them working there for a pittance is better than driving wages in the West down, and maybe someday there could be enough of these places that they are actually forced to improve underclass conditions in order to attract labor.
I dunno, it just seems like a better solution than either "fuck the third worlders" or "let all the third worlders into the West."
Just another kike ploy for the good goy.
>>70654785
Except people forget that geography actually matters. A city-state can't exist on its own, it needs to feed and water itself. Singapore doesn't have enough land to feed its population. That's why it needs to trade. The city-state model is great as long as people don't start thinking they could live in isolation.
>>70654237
Whats the point in a city state?
They would all be inter-connected and under the same forces as everything today.
> What would they produce?
Office services?
> What sovereignty could they even express?
Bear in mind that every city must have a mosque and a LGBT shrine or the Goliath of the UN will be angry, shocked and call for action to control. (as example)
Seems like a make-over to hide the reality of the current system.
> Hey your very own town, freedom!
> Now do as we say.
>>70655134
But do you love Paraisopolis?
>>70660671
The company talks about needing to be symbiotic with the "host" country, so I think they are anticipating that issue.
>>70660429
It's a corporation you can invest in, then live in. I'm not seeing where the kike ploy aspect.
>>70660883
Singapore gets along just fine while thumbing its nose at "Western values".
The "host" state would be offered equity and economic growth in exchange for sovereignty.
I can definitely see what you're saying, and I think that's definitely a hurdle they would have to overcome, but I don't see it as insurmountable.
Picking apart the article:
>“corporate socialist” utopian societies
>built on a foundation of economic freedom
Dumas cognitive dissonance and lack of understanding of free markets is telling
>Who doesn’t want a city like Singapore? Who would say no to that? Who is that crazy?
No understanding that Singapore can't exist by itself because it literally can't feed itself. Neither can countries like South Korea, which buy agricultural land in Africa to grow food for their people.
>They will be managed by a board of investors, not a board of administrators. We respond to shareholders, like any company.
It's like this guy is allergic to the phrase "free market"
>pick people not based on their income or the money they have, but on what they can contribute to our society. We are going to favor the creatives, the musicians, the innovators, the scholars.
In other words Whites and Asians. I can't imagine any blacks being selected
>Think of Berlin: Every year, thousands of kids go to Berlin, but there are no jobs and there’s no money to make — they just go there to be there.
Just like all those "kids" from the Middle East and Africa
>I guess we want to be a city that’s designed for human life, and human life is pretty much about having fun, and fun is a big part of being human and playing and experimenting. Free market, designed for pleasure and freedom.
This already happens in any major city without any Blacks, Muslims, or Hispanics.
>We don’t really believe in democracy.
>How will these states be governed?
>They will be managed by a board of investors, not a board of administrators. We respond to shareholders, like any company. Traditional democracy would be risky, and politics won’t work with other goals. This government, which will be elected, will be responsive to the new market and new industries and will know how to reduce friction in terms of regulations.
>>70660209
>which would compete with the first one for the laborers that are currently "slaves" in the first city
This is assuming that debt isn't use to keep people working for one corporate entity indefinitely like in the mining towns of the late 19th century and early 20th century in the US or modern Dubai. Hypothetically they could leave(admittedly in Dubai they confiscate their papers but it's roughly the same scenario) but doing so would mean they could never pay down their debt. There's also the fact that unless you have an absolutely massive number of these cities you're always going to have populations of rural people to pull from.
>I dunno, it just seems like a better solution than either "fuck the third worlders" or "let all the third worlders into the West."
I'd agree that importing the third world is not a viable solution so I think it's worth trying but I'm not optimistic about it's results. There's a pretty clear pattern with these kinds of ventures and I'm always skeptical of people claiming they've figured out how to be the exception.
>>70654237
>Co-founder Guillaume Dumas argues that the evolution of science, medicine, and technology is being stifled by restrictive governments designed in ways unsuited to humanity’s future needs. Dumas envisions a network of “corporate socialist” utopian societies — built on a foundation of economic freedom, transhumanist ideals, and fun — erected on land shared by existing nations in exchange for a cut of the profits.
Investment scam and/or money laundering scheme.
>>70661748
Elected by shareholders, like any public corporation. You aren't automatically a shareholder if you live there, shareholders are not equal, and you don't have to live there to be a shareholder.
It is only "democratic" in the loosest sense of the term.
Sounds like a really really really big co-op. Residents are "shareholders" etc. Honestly any community can work out great without muslims and blacks.
>>70661953
I just took a look at their website:
>At the moment, we have investigated the potential of the Azores (Portugal), the Kvarner Gulf (Croatia), Hiiumaa (Estonia) and the Helodrano Antongila Bay (Madagascar).
Although these aren't exactly the richest countries out there, it seems like they are all well-off enough to offer something solid for the city-state to compete against. Legitimate bad actors intentionally enslaving the underclass through debt is definitely a possibility, but as >>70660883 points out, their sovereignty would probably be weak enough that either the UN or the host state could step in.
>>70655911
I love seeing these clips from Deus Ex displaying their prescience.
>>70661325
>I'm not seeing where the kike ploy aspect.
>how he plans to get away with selecting the “right” people without being, you know, racist.
>They will be managed by a board of investors
>We respond to shareholders, like any company
>They receive a steady crypto-currency income that requires them to pay for their living.
>We’ve discussed how to avoid having a social pyramid based on income, which would obviously favor white men.
>They are paid by the state. And there will be education, child care, tree planting
>We pay them, and with that money you pay your rent and purchase everything you want in the state.
>Think of Berlin: Every year, thousands of kids go to Berlin, but there are no jobs and there’s no money to make
Btw. I live in Berlin and it's disgusting for natives
>We want to be a fun hub and a finance hub
>a finance hub
>>70662626
>At the moment, we have investigated the potential of the Azores (Portugal), the Kvarner Gulf (Croatia), Hiiumaa (Estonia) and the Helodrano Antongila Bay (Madagascar).
Those probably are good places for initial test cases since like you said it would be relatively easy to provide a decent balance between living standards and economic opportunity but it also doesn't expose them to the real challenges of setting up somewhere like India or Africa where the need for economic opportunity is much higher and the host state's influence is much weaker.
>Legitimate bad actors intentionally enslaving the underclass through debt is definitely a possibility, but as >>70660883 points out, their sovereignty would probably be weak enough that either the UN or the host state could step in.
I wouldn't rule out host state complacency in favor of the economic benefits they reap.
>>70661502
>Dumas cognitive dissonance and lack of understanding of free markets is telling
It's only "socialist" in that the state itself is another corporation competing for human capital.
>No understanding that Singapore can't exist by itself because it literally can't feed itself. Neither can countries like South Korea, which buy agricultural land in Africa to grow food for their people.
Yet these countries do exist, because they are profitable enough to buy the things they can't make. They're saying "what country like Gambia wouldn't want a thriving market for their goods right beside them?
>It's like this guy is allergic to the phrase "free market"
His description is literally how all public companies companies operate.
>In other words Whites and Asians. I can't imagine any blacks being selected
>How to be racist without being racist for 100 Alex.
>Just like all those "kids" from the Middle East and Africa
Heavy restrictions on immigration.
>This already happens in any major city without any Blacks, Muslims, or Hispanics.
Wonderful, isn't it?
>>70661956
>Investment scam and/or money laundering scheme.
Now there is a possibility I'm worried about.
>>70662844
>>We respond to shareholders, like any company
This is how you get to be racist without being explicitly racist. Say you're only taking in the most economically viable people, and those economically viable people JUST HAPPEN to be whites and asians.
>>70663339
Not if your shareholders are Jews. Which they will be.
They're going to be forced to have minority quotas.
>>70663718
But that wouldn't be profitable, and would lose them money. This is a corporation, and unless it explicitly says otherwise in its incorporation papers, it is duty-bound to focus primarily on shareholder profit, or it can be sued by the shareholders (any of them) for not doing so.
>>70662626
Just like any place with low natural resources, it won't be a cheap to live like a first worlder. Look at Singapore.
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