Post idiots being idiots
>>70650201
Everyone is being an idiot in that
>>70650201
>3 people like this
>all 3 of them are named Jens
lmao what are the fucking chances
I think space travel should be invested in more. It's like insurance. If there's some fucking end of days meteor or whatever we'd all want to be capable of leaving earth.
but he is right
Churches should pay taxes
If the goverment didnt spend as much money in military everyone could have a basic income.
>>70650201
>>70650498
kek
>>70650712
In their country maybe. Here our military spends 0.6% of the GDP and while the Catholic Church receives a small sum to maintain their property, lately they've said it isn't enough.
If we weren't such faggots we could have basic income. Before the crisis, Spain has negative trade. Enter the crisis, now Spain has more exports than imports, everything's fine and we all say Spain is better. Crisis starts to wear off, Spain is again in the red. Goddammit we're so lazy we only work when we're drowning.
>>70650712
>make several points
>one might be a good point
BUT HE'S RIGHT!??? SEE???
1/10th OF WHAT HE SAID I AGREE WITH
HE'S RIGHT
>>70650712
>If the goverment didnt spend as much money in military everyone could have a basic income.
If the government didn't let private banks create the needed new currency for the economy everyone could have a basic income that would be paid without taxes.
Space travel? Haven't heard of it.
>>70650201
>government is about helping poor people.
Gas yourself kike.
>>70651346
How's the perpetual civil war over there man? Comfy?
>>70650498
8/10 banter
>>70650201
>remove church from tax exempt
What a fucking idiot
>>70652407
Why?
Why are so many retards attacking the tax exemption of churches? Do you people really think charities should be taxed?
>>70650201
> idiots arguing about how to spend others people money
> Everyone feel morally superior to the other
Yeah... that's a helicopter ride right there.
>churches are now taxed
>churches can now lobby the government directly because 'no taxation without representation'
>america becomes a theocracy
>the west is saved
>>70652614
>churches are charities
Ahaha
>>70652614
It's about making churches impossible to operate.
>>70650498
ayy
>>70651346
Do you have duel citizenship in Sweden?
>>70651346
Be honest here, how many people do you know tht married a cousin or other family member?
>>70652780
The Catholic church is the biggest charity in the US.
It gave $4.7 billion to the poor in 2010
>>70652783
Yeah liberals have this illogical burning hate toward churches.
>>70652614
Ideally, nobody should be taxed. Everything should just be subject to the free market.
Second best to ideal would be a head tax everybody can afford, like $100/year or something like that.
But if you must have taxation, it should be 10% VAT for everybody across the board.
If you save and/or invest and if you own property, you won't pay taxes, which means these activities that make an economy grow are encouraged.
Just pay the head tax, or alternatively, every time you buy some consumer good, 10% VAT. That's so low, it doesn't even pay to dick around with tax loopholes and so on.
>>70652780
t. someone who's never been inside a church.
>>70652886
Don't be silly. Duels are illegal here.
>>70652614
http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2014/september/how-727-megachurches-spend-their-money-leadership-network.html
If you bothered to research, you'd understand churches do not spend the majority of their money on secular charitable services. Liberal democracies are secular institutions and should not promote one religion over another. Providing tax breaks for these institutions goes against western principles.
>>70652780
How about we talk about all the "non-profit" programs that don't help anybody and rake in shitloads of cash, like NPR?
>>70650498
You're ok Slovenia. You're ok.
>>70650201
>NASA puts money back in economy, stop being stupid
>But we need to recover all that money being wasted by the Church
That 180°
>>70652614
>Do you people really think charities should be taxed?
Yes, why shouldn't they be?
>>70653276
>Liberal democracies are secular institutions and should not promote one religion over another.
Well luckily they don't. So it's fine.
>Providing tax breaks for these institutions goes against western principles.
Taxing charities is nothing but an extra tax on the charitable.
>>70650712
There's so much wrong here.
>>70652774
>>churches can now lobby the government directly because 'no taxation without representation'
What law is that part of?
Or it is just a saying of protest for the residence of the DC?
>>70653276
Because megachurches account for how all churches across all denominations work
>>70650681
>we'd all want to be capable of leaving earth.
No, man. There's a lot that should be left behind.
>>70650201
i can't find it but i used to have a picture of a protest from the 60s protesting NASA funding of the space race.
same shit different millennium.
>>70650201
Why do people feel the need to highlight comments? It's not like there are thousands and they're pointing out just one or two
Same with blanking names
>>70650201
>tax the church
>tax people's donations
>yet another tax on the regular citizens
memetheists, everyone
>>70650201
>>70653534
how about you use google for 10 seconds and find it yourself.
>>70652774
Majority of the country is religious, how are churches and their followers not already lobbying for what they want?
>>70650712
American overspends on military, yes, but holy fuck if Europe doesn't underspend on it. It should be constitutional to maintain at least 2.5% of GDP on military spending.
Meanwhile in the US, retards literally hoover up rocks in parking lots. If that isn't an indicator of an oversized military budget, then I don't know what is.
Can't find the picture, so have this one instead.
>>70653921
>shit that never happened
>>70652614
>>70653024
You realize churches are the main source of support for illegals and invaders, right?
Just last week LDS gave $5 million to help refugees
>>70650712
>>70652563
>Churches should pay taxes
Churches are donation run and non-profit organizations.
Taxing them would result in one of three different scenarios, depending on how it is carried out:
1) The complete destruction of tax immunity for NPOs, effectively ending all forms of charity in the US.
2) A total violation of the First Amendment, considering it targets NPOs based on religious affiliation
3) The destruction of the separation of Church and State, as tax paying organizations are permitted to play a hand in politics and place their money however they see fit.
I'm not even religious, but there is LITERALLY no good outcome for taxing churches. You either destroy all forms of charity, or you give the church more power than it has. Only philosophically shallow fedora edgelords think this is even remotely good idea.
>>70651167
No, pretty much everything he said was right.
>The money doesn't get sent to Mars. It gets spent and put back into the economy.
This is true. The government didn't fill a barrel full of hundred dollar bills and fire it into space. They spent that money employing people to build and launch a rocket.
>If we removed the church from tax exemption
Churches having tax exempt status sounds nice, but in reality it's equivalent to a government subsidy for religious institutions. The rest of us tax payers end up having to pick up the slack for all of the economic activity that happens under the religious umbrella, and that's not fair at all. You can believe anything you want, but I shouldn't have to pick up your share of the bill because of it.
It gets worse when you realize that a great deal of these "religious institutions" are anything but - megachurches are basically for-profit political lobbies chaired by people who do cocaine and fuck hookers and whatever the fuck else they want. And they get away with that because they claim religious exemption. So I'm stuck subsidizing the political agenda of a bunch of drug-abusing mistress-fucking assholes? Fuck that.
>[the government spends too much on the military]
Does anyone really disagree with this? Even our top military officials treat congress like they're a bunch of fucking retards for authorizing the spending they authorize. The only reason we spend so much on our military is because the defense lobby will fund your re-election campaign if you find a way to cut them in on taxpayer money. Money goes from the taxpayers to the government to the defense contractors to the politicians. Everyone wins - except us.
Sure, there's a reasonable amount of defense spending. We have international interests and we need to be able to credibly threaten to protect them. But we are so far beyond that point it's not even funny.
>>70653921
wtf is the white rose society? Nobody knows what their gay little club even is.
>>70650712
Shut up Alphonso, before I send the inquisition after you.
The church is a nonprofit organization that provides community services and its funding comes entirely from willful donations.
>>70653958
>how about you use google for 10 seconds and find it yourself.
It's not a law it is just something people say.
>>70654059
>le epic statement anyone with a brain can figure out.
>>70652563
No tax, no representation. If you tax our temples, we (Christians) will be the first to put some theocracy in your degenerate asshole.
>>70653408
This, seriously
>>70650712
>Churches should pay taxes
No, they shouldn't. Paying taxes means they now have more incentive to interfere with politics. Theres a prescient of the church fighting for power of the state and leading to wars that devastated Europe.
>>70653980
kek'd
>>70654043
That is bad mkay but that is not a valid argument for taxing charities
also
>You realize churches are the main source of support for illegals and invaders, right?
sauce
feels like you pulled that out your ass
>>70650498
#ruinedurmumm8
>>70654023
Nyet
>Shit that will never happen.
>>70653534
you're right, (pic related) it's just a meme
i look retarded now
>>70653980
churches under 501-c3 tax exempt status are only allowed to have 5% of their sermons mention something political (how this is tallied i have no idea)
>>70654170
>Taxing them would result in one of three different scenarios, depending on how it is carried out:
>1) The complete destruction of tax immunity for NPOs, effectively ending all forms of charity in the US.
Why? 100% of what they spend is deductible from income. They would pay no taxes if they were actually non profit. The only people that would pay taxes are the donators that get to deduct what they spend from their income.
>2) A total violation of the First Amendment, considering it targets NPOs based on religious affiliation
It doesn't establish a religion or abridge the freedom of the press or the right to petition to government.
>3) The destruction of the separation of Church and State, as tax paying organizations are permitted to play a hand in politics and place their money however they see fit.
They already do and the secular nature of the government has nothing to do with the influence the churches have, but everything to do with what the politicians and governments do.
So 0/3 that's a fail even for the US education system.
>>70654170
The problem is large religious institutions are already incredibly politicized and often incredibly lucrative for their owners. They are not really apolitical nonprofits. It's essentially a game of chicken between a bunch of corrupt asshats and the IRS, with the IRS always being the one to fold because it'd be a fucking media field day if they actually tried to crack down and enforce reasonable standards.
>>70653443
>Nonprofits have to pay the government to exist
Wot
>>70653980
Not enough lobby to be quite honest. pls tax us
pls
>>70652614
They don't know what actual separation of church and state is
>>70653487
In a roundabout way they do
https://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Charitable-Organizations/Exemption-Requirements-Section-501%28c%29%283%29-Organizations
>Organizations described in section 501(c)(3), other than testing for public safety organizations
In other words, it's at the discretion of the government as to what constitutes a 'charitable organization' regardless of income and size.
Under Code 170 (listed in my ref)
A large portion of private educational institutions benefit form this despite not being veritably 'charitable'.
These loopholes and exhaustive laws are setup as a hindrance to any non-Christian entity. (Including Arabic and Hebrew schools)
>Taxing charities is nothing but an extra tax on the charitable.
Instead of pointing out the flaws in your argument, I'll point out the subjectivity of 'charitable' which you even describe using economic principles to demonstrate it for some reason i.e. externalizing costs.
The whole point of charitable services is that they are free, and if you don't believe anything is truly free than you should be supporting the taxation of churches.
>>70650712
I work at a church. Its an evangelical one. But hey I get paid 15$ an hour to clean an entire campus. Inside and out. Not to mention cater to every patron that enters the premises, not to mention I work for two reverands , and an accountant and an event coordinator , and that the patrons give their hard earned taxable incomes to the church for nothing in return.
Not to mention the 8 million some old bat donated two decades ago that the church uses for literally every thing. Not to mention the two Reverend husband/wife that stole 2.5 million of said 8million to start an entire new church/congregation
Why should church pay taxes again ?
>>70654240
Remember, not in all countries. Here in Spain the left is always crying over the fact that Spain is declared nonconfessional instead of lay. Nonconfessional in Spain means the state is not directly associated with the Church or any other religion buuut helps the Catholic Church with money on a yearly basis on historic grounds.
>>70654550
>churches under 501-c3 tax exempt status are only allowed to have 5% of their sermons mention something political (how this is tallied i have no idea)
But you don't think there are pastors or whoever that go to Washington or are friends with politicians? Business owners that aren't religious and donate to politicians or lobbyists?
>>70654743
>muh personal anecdote
>>70650712
>Spain
>MUH BASIC INCOME
You are living to your stereotype.Now, go take a sistea and stop posting
>>70654212
>megachurches
This is the same for many nominal nonprofits. The Clinton Foundation, for example, is a transparent slush fund for the Clinton Family that pays for international vacations for their kids.
See >>70654170
In addition, there is no meaningful way to police megachurches (which would be far worse than policing other nonprofits) because that means the government gets to decide what is a "legitimate" religious practice. Bathing in gold flakes? Who knows - maybe that actually is someone's religious conviction and it's not the government's role to judge that. Why should drinking wine (with the sacrament) be allowed? You're just drinking alcohol tax-free. The limit on abuse should be the credulity of donors, not a government mandate.
>>70654642
non profit doesn't mean they aren't making profit
>>70650201
>le tax exemption from Churches maymay
Oh jump off a fucking cliff.
>>70654561
>It doesn't establish a religion or abridge the freedom of the press or the right to petition to government.
You are literally taxing people based on their denomination.
Exactly how is this "freedom of religion"?
Being required to legally pay extra is not "free".
>>70650498
Banter Australia would be proud of.
>>70655067
Bit late, fellow burger. We've been going on about this for the entire thread.
>>70654402
I don't know how much is spent, but churches house illegals
>Church network offers sanctuary to illegal immigrants to avoid deportation
https://archive.is/rJVmD
>Churches Offer Sanctuary To Immigrants Facing Deportation
https://archive.is/5ezZm
>Arizona Pastor Explains Why His Church Decided to Shelter Illegal Immigrants
https://archive.is/uRUoI
>Romney’s Tough Immigration View Is at Odds With His Church
https://archive.is/HnQw2
Mormons and others always go on missionary trips, which is only going to create bigger problems in the long run
I don't know cuckservatives can be against illegals all while still supporting religion
>>70655019
He want some free money to buy pot, once we have state representation due taxes, we can even ban his soy milk (aka liquid weed). Can't wait for this glorious day.
>>70654795
you have the option to pay taxes to the church or not cuck
even if you are not religious you should still mark the x because the church actually does something about the homeless and needed
>>70655243
Being a burger, it took him until now to squeeze through the door.
And look at this bullshit for people saying churches can't lobby
>But on immigration, the church actively lobbied legislators, sent Presiding Bishop H. David Burton to attend the bill signing and issued a series of increasingly explicit statements in favor of allowing some illegal immigrants to stay in the country and work.
https://archive.is/HnQw2
Mormons are the worst
Again, they bring a shitload of non-whites to Utah, now SLC has nearly three times the national crime rate
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ut/salt-lake-city/crime/
>>70655379
>you have the option to pay taxes to the church or not cuck
Really? All my taxes can go to the church? This is a really good idea.
>>70655476
*nearly four times
Who would have thought there would be Crips in Utah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1FMt2hDoQ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NANrihEaSFo
>>70650509
are you serious?
>>70654216
The White Rose Society was a bunch of college kids writing anti-Nazi leaflets for about 8 months during WWII.
>>70654573
> apolitical nonprofit
Doesn't exist. The moment they have a policy preference and express it, they become political - and that is every single one of them. Medecins Sans Frontiers (Doctors Without Borders) took out advertisements on the DC Metro opposing TPP because protecting pharma IP in foreign countries would have the effect of raising drug prices in poor(er) countries (completely ignoring all other aspects of the discussion). This is very much political, from an organization often perceived as being the essence of "apolitical,"
1st comment in OP is severely underrated, it's 100% correct
>>70655476
If I was american, I would be more afraid of self-hating atheist whites in Cali and New York, than Mexicans themselves. At least your country can still exist under latinos.
>>70654216
On a side note, their babby manifesto is a hoot:
http://www.whiteroserevolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/PRINCIPLES_WRS.pdf
>>70655379
You seem to have misread my comment.
Regardless of our personal devotion to give money to the Church, the Kingdom of Spain has a treaty with the Vatican City that states that Spain gives them money on a yearly basis. Money from the state, not personal donations.
To maintain their property on our country, to pay their members here and the like. And yeah, with that they help poor and homeless people too.
And I for one don't mind that. The sum is so small it isn't even a scratch on the budget.
It's even less than what we give to our military that does not have ammo or fuel to practice.
>>70655548
No, not all your taxes, but you have the option to send a part there instead of to the govt
that's why "muh the church is so rich they should give me their money" libcucks and gommies do, a lot of people think its better to give to the church than to the fucking politicians, you as a brasilian should know the feel
>>70655623
he obviously is
>>70655860
the money they give the vatican is from people who decide to send part of their taxes to the catholic church, right?
>>70650498
Top wit, lad
>>70650712
Ciutadanos pleb detected
>>70654170
Churches claim the best real estate tax free and then their pastors go on to buy private jets and a half dozen mcmansions with their jesus-cash. If those cunts are going to run a scam on retarded christfags they should at least pa property taxes.
>>70650201
Both are idiots
>>70650498
WOW NEVER SEEN THIS ONE BEFORE HILARIOUS POST HAHAHA 10/10
>>70651346
I am actually pretty surprised to see somali poster again
>>70650201
LMAO
WHAT A QUALITY POST
HOLD ON LET ME SHARE ON MY FACEBERG
PLEASE LIKE IF YOU ARE A SICK MOTHER F-ER
>>70650712
if the government just controlled everything no one would be poor
>>70655792
>At least your country can still exist under latinos.
The same Mexicans that can't even run their own countries?
>>70650681
I think humanity should spend all it's resources on space exploration and colonization instead of humanitarian help. I say glaze Africa and the Middle East and be done with it. That way we can focus on what's really important - advancement and betterment of the human race.
>>70650201
That's not really a valid argument. By this logic, nothing could be a waste of money because it's always circulated in the global economy.
>>70655942
My local church (pic related) is more trustworthy than any politician we ever had. I wish it had enough powers to take care of the surrounding area.
>>70656018
Right! I have read it and yes, that's the norm. There's a tiny phrase that says that in the case that the sum of the donations does not achieve what is needed by the Church, the state will pay the rest. But it has never been done.
>>70653408
Not even a good comparison desu. The Church does not cost anything, it merely doesn't pay taxes as it is sustained by donations from people who have been taxed on said donations. NASA is funded by tax money directly, not individuals who care about space exploration.
>>70653116
We only have 6% sales tax here
>>70656426
Well... Mexican religion, boarders and culture will still exist in the next 100 years, and I'm sure it will improve quite satisfactory. I'm not sure about Germany, Sweden, Belgium and France.
>>70650201
Well, I bet they will be thankful when the Earth is about to implode and that "wasted money" is the only hope of human survival. It may be a (very) long term investment, but it is not pointless.
>>70654550
>5%
I'm a board member of a 501(c)(3). Not a church, but the whole no politics rule applies to us as well. It gets kind of confusing for a lot of people what counts as politics. If a politician asks us for an analysis in our area, doing so is fine.. We can also say whether a policy is good or bad. Where we could get into trouble is endorsing specific candidates, or otherwise playing favorites. If a democrat wants us to do an analysis on something, we automatically make it available to republicans as well.
As for churches, they can say that abortion is evil as much as they want. While it is a political issue, it is also a lot more than just that. They cannot officially endorse Ted Cruz and they really cannot make their congregations vote for Ted Cruz.
>>70650498
lol, Russia comes through with the burn.
>>70654059
Actually It's very easy to beat a wall in table tennis. Every shot they take would be a volley, therefore giving you a point every time.
Repeat.
Win.
>>70657014
Good!
Here we have...
4% for bread, milk and essential medicine.
10% for some kinds of food, medicine, public transport and hotels.
21% for everything else!
>>70656125
what the fuck are you talking about? Maybe the catholic scam church, but not all churches. My church, all the roles are volunteered, any money going into the church pays for the building's bills and then charity, it's not going into the pockets of those in charge.
>>70655423
underrated banter
>>70650509
The Mexican intellectuals have found 4chan.
>>70657014
Sure. But I was talking about VAT being the ONLY tax. No income tax, no property tax, no anything tax. Only 10% VAT or the per-head tax and that's it.
Also: No inflation, but 100% gold backed currency.
The economic grow would be unimaginable.
>>70650509
I admit I kek'd
>>70653997
>pic
brutal m8
>>70657938
top fucking kek
>>70650498
WHY ARE YOU SO MEAN, SLOVENIA!?
>>70653921
>>70654216
>>70655840
They were on my campus last week handing out flowers with holohoax propaganda on them.
>>70653816
the longer you are member of the KKK, the higher your hat gets?
>>70656125
> their pastors go on to buy private jets and a half dozen mcmansions
Citation needed
>>70657708
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU3qnZa00Iw
These people don't pay taxes on the income they scam from dumb niggers and white trash, they should.
>>70650201
>unlike
fucking jens
>>70651155
maybe you should make your football clubs pay their taxes
>>70650201
The development of the microprocessor is a direct byproduct of the space race. If you enjoy your computer and your cell phone you can thank NASA and stfu forever.
>>70659341
Yeah we should.
>>70657340
>who's the fool now.jpg
That guy is still the fool cause he's going to have to get his wheel bearings replaced
>>70658816
that's not the kkk though...
>>70650498
I feel warm and fuzzy inside. Thank you Slobro.
>>70653997
Frontleaningrest/10
>>70653921
why mister anderson, why
![tumblr_inline_nn4f3dSGz81t9ag8c_400[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/b0LHzuL.jpg "tumblr_inline_nn4f3dSGz81t9ag8c_400[1].jpg")
>>70650498
Nice Bantz
>>70650201
The first post replying to the meme is great. The next 2 are retarded. The faggots who want to remove the exemption of the church from taxes want everyone to miss what they're actually saying. That church money they want to tax? It's the money someone puts on a plate out of their own pocket. Yeah, they're basically saying that when you *give* your own fucking money to someone else, they should be allowed to tax it.
Leftists ruin everything they touch.
>>70650201
I don't see how he's wrong? The money goes into material providers and engineering firms. Also $2.5B is chump change compared to our GDP. What is the issue here?
>>70661125
Aside from the church tax.
>>70653997
Reason why european nations don't spend much on military is because America does it for them.
>>70650201
>>70656149
Nice proxy, OP.
