Did the soviets cause the current problem with far leftism in the United States and western europe?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g
Yuri, a former KGB agent says that the KGB used subverison (a multi-step process involving Denormalization (15-20 years) Destabilization (2 to 5 years), Crisis (6 months to 1 year) and Normalization) to destroy societies or weaken them.
>Democrats
>left
>>70632021
I think they just kinda encouraged it. Cultural marxism/post-modernism took hold in the 60s.
>inb4 post modern is just an art thing
No, post-modernism is an entire social and cultural framework in which we live.
bumping
>>70632227
Don't forget how we almost returned to conservatism (for lack of a better word) in the 80s, but this post-modernist shit came back in the 2000's or 2010's
>>70632404
During the 80s 'new deal' was replaced with neo-liberalism. Then in the 90s, we got rid of these old tories and replaced them with progressive 'third way' candidates, Blair and Clinton. Third way is essentially 'social liberalism' alongside neo-liberalism. 'social liberalism' is a term devised by leftists(?) to describe a new kind of liberalsim that breaks from classic liberalism (negative liberties) and focuses instead on using to state to secure and enforce positive liberties. This system (neo-liberal economically, socially 'progressive') has been in dominance since the 90s though most of it's ideas trace back to the 60s or earlier in some cases.
Leftism until the 60s was concerned almost exclusively with all things economic. Out of the thinkings of the Frankfurt school they (leftists or neo-leftists/neo-marxists) embraced since the 60s, 'cultural marxism'. The oppressor/oppressed system of marxian sociology was no longer enough so they expanded their analysis into other aspects of society. So now the only struggle was no longer class struggle but identity struggle. You are oppressed not just by your material conditions but all aspects of the normative society unless you are part of the majority. Those who are part of the 'majority' are the oppressors if not actively they at least benefit from the status quo.
emergency bump
Yes
We lost the cold war
>>70632021
Was a lefty at some point. Not really a Marxist phenomena.
You become "liberal"/hippie/cuck, etc because of one thing:
Failure or lack of a proper family to grow in.
If there's a lack of a role in any structure in a family, you fill that vacuum with other things. Normally the other things don't have your interests in their mind.
>>70635354
It was all planned long before then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMVZSsPzaTc
start at 3:40. Watch the entire interview later if you're interested.
http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/dodd/interview.htm
>I said, “Yes, Mr. Gaither, I would like very much to know.” Whereupon, he made this statement to me, "Mr. Dodd, we are here to operate in response to similar directives, the substance of which is that we shall use our grant-making power so to alter life in the United States, that it can be comfortably merged with the Soviet Union."
This was from the 50s.
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>>70632021
DELETE THIS
>Soviets
>>70632227
The vast majority of KGB's budget was spent on subversion. After WW2 a huge wave of soviet infiltrates entered Europe and later on the US. Parts of Asia were also infiltrated by communist doctrine ( China, Vietnam, North-Korea ). The effects are clear.
Its possible but you know who was behind Soviets?
Who fund them , nurture them and allow them to grow?
Who help them in Great War?
USA.
Or rather financial elite in USA.
Wall Street.
Soviets were great tool for them allowing them to take control of whole country, government, academia and media.
>>70639159
>The vast majority of KGB's budget was spent on subversion.
Maybe so. This doesn't change the fact that a lot of the theorists behind critical theory and counter-hegemony were German. They fled Germany when big H came to power, most went to the US. I have no doubt the soviets encouraged and fanned the flames of it but most of it originated among lefty westerners, many of whom >>70638698
>>70639205
>Or rather financial elite in USA.
Dis too. See Dodds interview I posted above.
>>70632021
>tfw Russian Marxists successfully subverted Western culture
>tfw Russian nationalists trying to fix it
Technically, they didn't cause it.
In Bezmenov's own words, they pushed it in the direction it was going.
But yes, they definitely are to blame.
You should look in to Saul Alinsky.
>>70632021
well Bernie had a USSR flag in his office. He is probably considered a "useful idiot" by KGB agents.
No doubt the Western Left used/were taught Soviet tactics
But the KGB deep-state, the actual men and organisations, that reemerged to take back power with Putin, abandoned the Marxist ideology, and embraced Russian identity and traditionalism as the functional ideology of governance
No doubt
>>70633114
IMO existentialism, or it's principle that "existence precedes essence" (i.e. you are a blank slate with nothing innate to your being, and you can make up everything about yourself), plays a big role too.
Combine that with cultural Marxism as you have people inventing identities and characteristics to be oppressed by, that require liberation from the normal oppressors.
You can make up your own gender/sexuality/identity and be an oppressed group requiring a war of liberation against normal opressive society.
>>70640357
Western Left was what birthed Soviets.
Do you know how Bolsheviks get power?
By bloody coup and they wage war against Russia.
But Ideas come from West or rather from Germany.
Its rather Soviets later reused this tactics but definitely they not invented them.
On the other hand I wonder how much various western leftist are government or agency pets/pawns/tools/controlled 'opposition'.
>>70637287
Link to the Dodd report to the Reece Commission, required reading for this thread:
https://archive.org/details/DoddReportToTheReeceCommitteeOnFoundations-1954-RobberBaron
Wiki article on the background to it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_to_Investigate_Tax-Exempt_Foundations_and_Comparable_Organizations#Dodd_report
>>70641035
Most Western Leftists are the government, and they definitely are the "deep government", that is the civil service, university staff, media etc.
They have completed their "long march through the institutions" now and rule it all. Now they are going forth with their plan to destroy everything, from tranny children, to gay marriage, to importing millions of Muslims. Nothing sacred, and everything will be profaned and destroyed by them. A "transvaluation of all values".
>>70632102
SJW aren't democrats. The only vote democrats because there isn't a true Left option in america. OP is right.
Spooky: before Poolan entered the EU on the Internets a satirical letter was circulated about the living in the EU.
MFW many years later it turned out to be prophetic.....
Is it possible that history does not "happen" but it is carefully planned and orchestrated?
>>70632021
Why weren't Soviet bloc countries or any communist country filled with fat purpled haired SJWs , transgendered mile runners, and black presidents then?
>>70642264
Because the Russians weren't trying to destroy their culture? Look at Eastern Europe they are the less cucked countries in Europe right now while the western countries are cucked beyond salvation running towards social suicide while chanting Kumbaya and screaming for social justice and multiculturalism.
>>70642464
It was more about Eastern European dominance than anything. Turns they out they're more conservative and we're more socialist in a twist of fate.
>>70632404
The politicians of the ninties were the first ones who had been exposed to postmodernism and cultural relativism when they were young.
>>70642264
Because our economy is still shit so sjws need to get real degrees or else they starve. People just don't give a shit about gender politics-we still have real problems here. Funny thing is, my country has one of the highest percent of females in corporate leadership, even though we have no retarded quotas.
>>70642464
>Because the Russians weren't trying to destroy their culture
my sides are in orbit
>>70632021
no.
this is of anglo american and european making.
>>70642264
Soviets didn't have time or use of fat purple hair'd SJWs. No one had the privilege to whine and no one would give a shit anyway. People faced real fucking hardships and If any of these retards went to the soviet union they would either understand what real authoritarian oppression is.
