Your daily reminder that the USSR, Cuba, Venezuela, etc weren't socialism and Sanders will use the, effective, Scandinavian model. That's how socialism is supposed to work.
>>70626278
>no true socialist
keep telling yourself that
>>70626278
>effective Scandinavian socialism
>>70626278
Point of order, Mr.Speaker... a wartime plebiscite is an embarrassing way to elect a president.
>>70626278
>effective, Scandinavian model
Yes because Sweden is doing so good right
>>70626421
As a Frenchman you see the positives better than Americans do. You elected Francois Holland and you guys are doing great.
>>70626733
>Francois Hollande
>socialist
>doing great
you couldn't be farther from the truth
Remember to sage your replies.
>>70626278
>FDR was a good president
>FDR wasn't a dictator in disguise
>FDR wasn't shut down by trying to pack the Supreme Court with Leftist commie pinko friends
FDR is one of the most overrated Presidents. The New Deal fucked over America. Leftists are so brain dead they don't even know history. :^)
then what's the system in USSR/Cuba/Venezuela and how it's different from socialism?
Keep in mind that my parents and grandparents lived in Warsaw pact and no, USSR wasn't "state capitalism"
>>70626621
Happiest people.
Thriving economy.
Free healthcare.
Free education.
Good safety net.
What's not to love unless you enjoy watching poor people die in the street while working 80 hours a week for pennies?
Oh yeah, the Internet you're typing your socialist hate on was made by....socialism.
Also don't drive on any roads.
Don't take your kids to school.
Don't call the police.
Or fire department.
>>70626933
Also don't listen to music or drink alcohol because of the Sharia law.
>>70626421
It's not a fallacy. Welfare states aren't the same as government owning the economy.
Ironically the original kind of socialism, "workers owning the company" does happen for the super rich. CEOs usually get paid partly in shares as an incentive
>>70626278
He kept getting reelected cause he was a faggot who didnt follow the two term tradition.
>>70626933
>Free
Paid for by huge taxes
>Happiest
More Scandis are on anit-depressants than anywhere else in the world.
>Thriving
Collapsing due to unregulated and cucked immigration
>>70626933
By your logic you shouldn't buy food because grocery stores are private and you support socialist ideologies
>>70627282
socialist != communism
Denmark has a 28% corporate sales tax and no federal minimum wage. How is increasing our 35% sales tax and increasing our minimum wage going to emulate that?
>>70626278
What is scale for $6,000,000, Alex?
The more populous a country is, the more leeches will drain the system. Our overall standard of living would drop, the rich would run out of money or leave the country entirely before it ever became viable.
>>70626278
You need Scandinavian people to make that work, lol. Would be great in a homogenous white society, with minorities in the mix, you are simply a lifelong babysitter
>>70626933
>a race of 6'0 blonde haired blue eyed supermen are the happiest
wow who would have thought.
hint: attractiveness correlates with happiness
>>70626278
Your daily reminder that Scandanavian can only get away with high social spending because they also have a free business market with low regulations to pick up the slack unlike all other shitty models of socialism.
>>70627316
capitalism doesn't mean complete lack of government and taxation either
>>70626933
>you don't like slavery? better take off that cotton shirt!
>>70626770
How so?
>>70626932
But that's what they were! The USSR was state capitalism and not true socialism.
>>70627054
Nice fear mongering.
>>70627207
He was reelection so much because the people loved him.
>>70627351
We use the tax money right. No more wars. We use that money at home so nobody goes into debt to see a doctor for the flu because market medicine is a failure.
>>70626278
>will use the, effective, Scandinavian model. That's how socialism is supposed to work.
You mean still be a failure compared to capitalism but not kill millions of people from starvation?
http://www.amazon.com/Scandinavian-Unexceptionalism-Third-Way-Socialism-Political/dp/025536704X/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1436391055&sr=1-1&keywords=nima+sanandaji&linkCode=sl1&tag=jeffjaccom-20&linkId=01dd1251f0099dc67f85f62d80325c37
Tldr version
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/10/15/bernie-sanders-scandinavia-not-socialist-utopia/lUk9N7dZotJRbvn8PosoIN/story.html
>>70626933
>Happiest people.
I guess, so many of them commit suicide that only the happy ones are left.
>Thriving economy.
>Free healthcare.
>Free education.
The very high tax rate pays for these things
>Good safety net.
Scandinavia is the pinnacle of safety right now. Going outside alone as a girl in Stockholm or Malmo is one of the safest places you can be right now.
>>70627233
we pay from 28-33% tax depending on which state you live in same as you ameritard
>>70627560
And what about the cost of goods? Sales tax? Extra duties and fees for imported goods?
>>70627519
how is thing capitalism when factories and workplaces weren't competing?
When something was unprofitable they just continued to work because government cared more about "600% efficiency" on paper rather than profits
>>70627519
>The USSR was state capitalism and not true socialism.
No. The USSR was state socialism, and that's exactly what Sanders espouses.
>bread lines are good because at least the poorest 2% also get half a piece of bread for the week!
Also I'm quite aware that you're baiting, but I don't care.
>>70627519
oooooooohhhhhhh boy
>>70626621
well Sweden is not doing good cuz of their immigration system, not their economic system
too bad they usually go hand in hand
>>70627524
This and only this
ITT: Americans who haven't read a book. Many people are changing socialism to fit their definition.
There are no socialists countries in existence today.
Socialism is the state ownership of the means of production. Even communist China has private companies.
>>70627519
>How so?
on the top of my head:
- "I will lower unemployment" -- François Hollande, every month since his election
http://www.franceinfo.fr/sites/default/files/2013/03/26/931757/images/ressource/IDE-Chomage-fev-3col.jpg
- he didn't make anything meaningful
- everyone hates him, he is our least popular president so far (http://a141.idata.over-blog.com/3/60/72/23/Images-articles-5/Cote-popularite-presidents-francais-Veme-Republique.jpg) (blue = good, red = bad, green = no opinion)
- his prime minister (Manuel Valls) is a literal facist (wants to reduce freedom of speech, wants to make permanent emergency state part of the law, ordered arrest of environmental militants, said a stand-up comedian was public enemy number 1 because he didn't like israel) and only made 5% for the primaries of his party
>>70627316
Suicide != death
>>70627848
>look! Scandinavian socialism is so awesome!
>btw there are no socialists countries in existence today
>>70626770
>name
Tbh I wish I had that name and I'm a fucking Aussie
>>70627524
>>70627529
Winners
>>70627848
>There are no socialists countries in existence today.
Venezuela, North Korea, and Cuba
>>70627524
>still entertaining the lie that it is successful
>>70627519
>market medicine is a failure
>implying the government hasn't been pushing endless regulations on the medicalcare and insurance field that deliberately makes it fail to justify themselves taking over it.
Just about every doctor that has been in the field for over 30/40 years can will and has testified to this.
>government will break your leg and hand you a crutch all the while trying to convince you that if it wasn't for them you wouldn't be able to walk.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbl2VV_WjGk
And here is an example of a model for medicalcare that is cheaper than both the deliberately fucked insurance model that retarded leftist try and call "market healthcare" and is also cheaper than government healthcare.
http://kfor.com/2013/07/08/okc-hospital-posting-surgery-prices-online/
>>70626933
>He thinks Socialism is any service provided by the government
By this reasoning, literally every government since the beginning of time has been Socialist. If that is your definition of Socialism, it is a useless definition. It is also not what any Socialist theorist espouses.
Socialism is State ownership of the means of production, it has nothing to do with roads, or schools, or the police. Socialism is when the government seizes control of business from private owners. It has been proven repeatedly that this is a less effective, efficient and sustainable system than free private enterprise.
>>70626933
Listen, I'm a fucking Anarcho-Communist but you're fucking retarded
So we're deporting all the non whites?
>>70626278
>Socialist leader has high approval
See guys! I told you!
>Socialist leaders become tyrannical dictators while their countries crumble
W-well that's not r-real Socialism!
>>70626933
>Free education.
You can get the same level of free education in the US. They're called public schools and community colleges.
>>70627529
>Socialism sounds great in speech soundbites
it really doesn't
>>70626278
>True Scottman fallacy at its best
>>70628083
Helicopter ride.
these threads are hilarious:
>muh Sweden/USSR/France/UK
>swede/eastern european/french/anglo appears and explains things are quite different than OPs vision
HURR DURR SHUT UP I KNOW BETTER HOW YOU PEOPLE LIVE(D). I'M OPEN MINDED LIBERAL WHO READ LOTS OF BOOKS, JUST SHUT UP YOU DAMN YUROPOORS REEEEE
>>70627848
>don't read a book
The only place where socialism works btw.
>>70628125
It does if you never think past the empty childish rhetoric of "we all just need to get along and help each other and all be equal maaaan" and ask
Compared to what?
At what cost?
What evidence do you have?
Then again I generally agree even when you make the utopian arguments fromnboth side utopian socialism is still inferior to Utopian capitalism.
As this cheeky cunt argues in direct response to another book saying utopian socialism is better than real world capitalism.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx_zmXcXGHw
>>70627981
It's true.
Using the definition of socialism, name me a socialist country.
Pro tip: you can't
>>70626933
>Happiest people.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/worlds-happiest-countries-take-most-antidepressants
>Thriving economy.
Tax my shit up faam
>Free healthcare.
That is a positive thing I'm willing to admit. Doctors can get decent salaries and actually give a fuck.
>Free education.
Completely making university degrees useless. Every retard can now go to Uni, pass with bare minimum and inflate the job market, lowering income overall.
>Good safety net.
https://youtu.be/iy28W4cfS4c?t=33s
>Europe's Somalia
>>70626278
>Sanders will use the, effective, Scandinavian model
No he won't. The Scandinavian model is much more free market than Sanders could ever possibly be willing to accept. He only wants the outcome, not the means which are implemented to achieve the outcome.
>>70628483
North Korea
http://www.investors.com/politics/capital-hill/denmark-tells-bernie-sanders-to-stop-calling-it-socialist/
>The Danes apparently have grown weary of Sen. Bernie Sanders insulting their country. Denmark is not a socialist nation, says its prime minister. It has a “market economy.”
oops!!!
>While speaking at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government, the center-right Danish Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen said he was aware “that some people in the U.S. associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism.”
>“Therefore,” he said, “I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.”
uh oh!!!
>To that we’ll add that Sweden, another of Sanders’ inspirations, has for decades quietly moved away from its cradle-to-grave form of government welfare. And the Swedes are better off for having done so, just as the Danes will continue to be better off as their government overhauls its welfare state.
>If Sanders is going to continue to use these nations to guide his governing philosophy, he should base his policy positions on what they really are, not what he thinks they are or wants them to be. These countries have learned a harsh lesson. They don’t deserve to be Berned again.
whoopsie!!!
>>70626278
Haha, I haven't laughed so in a much
Listen here dumbshit.
USSR was socialist alright, you don't get to cherry pick what you wish. You don't get to implement stupid system, killing 300 million each time but deciding you should try again because it's not true socialism. It was and it sucked.
Scandinavian model works because they're capitalist at core getting rich then paying for social services, which is opposite of socialism, which is paying for social services out of stolen property and credit without production of your own.
Also, comparing USA with 700 million people to Scandinavia with 7 million people. Absolute laughter. Try mustering up money to provide everything free for that mass.
And bottom line, nothing is free. This is a Communist delusion.
But feel free to try again, I'll laugh my ass off when you end up gulaging, irradiating, in mass starvation, poverties, shit flowing on the streets and utter collapse in 50 years.
>>70628514
Yes, North Korea is the best, according to...North Korea.
>>70628655
>Scandinavia with 7 million people
more like 25 millions famiglia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia
Scandinavian countries don't have nearly as many welfare queens as the USA. Liberals never seem to take that into account.
>>70628514
From the Oxford dictionary.
socialism
Pronunciation: /ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
NOUN
1A political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
There's not one system or country in place that fits that definition.
So true socialism doesn't exist.
>>70626278
Daily reminder this type of goal post moving is bad and you should feel bad about doing it.
>>70629534
you forgot the last part
>The term ‘socialism’ has been used to describe positions as far apart as anarchism, Soviet state Communism, and social democracy; however, it necessarily implies an opposition to the untrammelled workings of the economic market.
so, North Korea
Yeah, socialism is all well & good for poor fucks like you who either don't have a job or are studying. Reminder that all those fucking programs which we have in Australia are paid for by people like me.
Pic related: What I have to pay because of fucking idiots like you who can't do something as simple as get off your arse and get a job.
>>70626278
Comrade!
More money! Now! Do it now!
>>70626278
Your daily reminder that Sanders wants to raise taxes by 15 TRILLION dollars
>>70626442
it is effective, it turned norway from the poorest country in Europe to one of the richest before we found oil.
>>70626621
Sweden is doing great, one of the western countries with largest economic growth along with Germany. Very few unemployed and better education, healthcare outcomes and pretty much everything better than America.
>>70627552
>Going outside alone as a girl in Stockholm or Malmo is one of the safest places you can be right now.
Much safer than going out in Sidney, the crime there is many times worse.
>>70628101
Not the same, you will not have professors with Nobel prizes teaching you stuff for free at public schools and community colleges. And you can not get a phd at those places.
>>70628511
>Completely making university degrees useless. Every retard can now go to Uni, pass with bare minimum and inflate the job market, lowering income overall.
Look at this gypsy talking about education. If what you said was true then why havent it happened yet? University degrees are WAY MORE useless in America because they don't have jobs for people.
>>70628512
Are you kidding? Sanders is a right wing nut with centrist economics. At least in Scandinavian terms.
>>70630868
>Not the same, you will not have professors with Nobel prizes teaching you stuff for free at public schools and community colleges. And you can not get a phd at those places.
feels so good to be European
>>70626278
>effective scandinavian model
my lungs
>>70630868
>it is effective, it turned norway from the poorest country in Europe to one of the richest before we found oil.
Were we really rich before oil?
