Is this true?
>>70624308
yes.
clean water on the other hand...
yes but having someone getting it to your house isnt
>>70624308
The right to self preservation is a human right.
The right to obtain Water by your own biological mechanisms is indeed a right. To demand others to supply it simply for being a human is not a right. That entails taking away the rights of others.
Socialists use the word "right" to imply a moral obligation to give them what they want. They do not understand the word.
No. The only right we have is taking care of ourselves. If you dont have water then you failed to take care of yourself.
>>70624308
Yes. Water and food are the essentials to survive. If you have water and I need some you should give me some, and vise-versa. If you decide instead to commoditise it you are essentially killing me. So I'm justified in killing you. If you will use the state to defend 'your' water from me then you've betrayed your free market ideals.
>>70624308
Anything that requires the labor of another person can never be a right.
>>70624529
My libertarian brother
>>70624308
Rights don't exist.
Water is a right
Food is a right
Toilet paper is a right
Housing is a right
Sex is a right
Internet is a right
Vehicles are also rights
>>70624308
At what point would they stop though?
Is food a right, a house, are heating in the winter and AC in the summer a right too?
>>70624839
you forgot weapons being a right
Hell no!
>>70624839
also the right to not have my feelings hurt, nor my opinions challenged!
>>70624364
>>70624430
How hard is this for people to understand? While I think this place is a collection of shitposting most of the time, it's simple arguments like this that would BTFO any dumbasses, and make their head explode.
>>70624839
You forgot sex changes and birth control.
>>70624308
We have a right to make people clean water for us?
Gibs me dats
>>70624308
No. Physical good and services which must be provided by other human beings cannot be human rights, as making them such would necessarily require enslavement.
>>70625195
>>70624544
> Invest money to pump water
> Sell otherwise unobtainable water to get a return of investment
> Get killed by facists screaming "WATER IS HUMAN RITE!"
You have the right to seek out clean water wherever you may find it. You have the right to fight, kill, and destroy any who would keep it from you. But they also have the right to do the same and keep clean water for themselves. Thankfully, those of us in civilized societies enjoy plentiful clean water. If you find yourself in a society with limited resources, you have some hard choices to make: move somewhere civilized, enact a government to distribute life giving resources, or get rich.
Life is not a right, but pursuing it is...
>>70624529
If water is a right then why does the state charge me for it, checkmate leftists.
>>70625620
Well said.
>>70624308
Yes it is.
Having water purified and pumped directly into your house, however, is not.
>>70625394
is this a treasure map
>>70626045
>is this a treasure map
Let's hope for the best.
>>70625620
The moment you let niggers with no clean water in your country is the moment that will eventually bring events like Flint, Michigan to your country.
If niggers were capable of creating civilization, Africa wouldn't exist in a state of perpetual shit.
Nothing that is subject to scarcity can be a right. Not even dirty water.
>>70626184
>>70625535
In areas where physical scarcity is real then it should be nationalised and distributed from there. Nestle sucking the groundwater permanently out of Africa is just not cricket.
>>70625118
>implying
>>70624308
absolutely. last time I checked, most, if not all humans consist of 70% of water. let's keep it that way, won't you agree?
Humans aren't born with rights, it's up to them and their parents to see to their needs. Support from the state and other organizations is not out of a necessity to uphold certain loosely defined "human rights", ultimately it's out of self-interest because a country which values the health of its citizens work better than one that doesn't. But with such "rights" come responsibilities. You can't have welfare and such without contributors, without a payoff for the "kindness". I'm not sure where OP's image is from though, seems to be some water crisis in USA. But regardless, you can't rely on water being handed to you by the government or otherwise without compensation, ultimately it's up to you to fulfill your needs.
>>70626407
>Nestle sucking the groundwater permanently out of Africa is just not cricket.
Got it. Water bad. Any other natural resource is kosher though. Bonus points for heavy pollution while mining.
>>70624308
It is, but you have to get it yourself. A right doesn't necessarily mean society should provide you with water for free. It doesn't work that way.
We have the right to bear arms, but it doesn't mean everyone is given a government-issued gun. You have to buy it yourself.
In other words, it's right to access. If people or some government official barred you from getting water, then that's a problem.
>>70626676
That's not what this thread was about mountainkek.
>>70626882
This.
>>70624308
No.
The only rights you have are negative, positive rights imply servitude (which contradicts the negative rights they are built upon for starters).
On top of that these rights are as real as your ability to protect them.
Human rights don't actually exist in reality so no. Nobody has this magical thing called a 'right' just for being born.
Who cares? We live in the developed world where nobody has a problem getting it.
These concerns are for other people. Leave me, I have fapfiction to write.
>>70624308
Agree. But its transportation, and cleaning, and...
>>70628652
>Mu'h negative rights
>Doesn't care 4chan bans, Christians are cucking gays over in the states, Muslims are cutting off women's feets, etc.
>So in actuality no negative rights OR free shit.
>Can't wait for a modern communist regime to just start killing people.
>>70624308
Resources are not rights. You have the right to seek water, not the right to find it.
>>70624544
i aint giving ur lazy ass anything
if it rains or you live near water then yes. but i can't see how you have a right to water in a dessert where there is no water to obtain.
>>70626045
X marks the gold
>>70624308
>Is this true?
This country has a long relationship with water, and as such our people and government have since long decided that water management (both to make sure we don't drown and to keep us hydrated) are tasks so important that they should be collectively taken care of in name of the collective states & people of the Netherlands (in a time where the states of the Netherlands were not yet united, mind you). As such, the 'waterschappen' are the oldest representative organ in this country, actually predating the unification. So I don't know about a human right, but water(management) is definitely a Dutch right.
>>70629276
What in the ever-loving fuck does that even mean?
>>70624308
Water isnt a human right, but it's sure as hell a taxpayers right. Who do you think pays for it?>>70624308
>>70624308
Human rights don't exist.
>>70624308
"Rights" is a prank pulled by 18th century freemasons that's going way too far.
>>70624308
No.
>>70624308
rights don't exist
>>70629563
is air a human right? people like you would be fine if corporations sucked up all the air on earth to resell it to people. if you need it to live then yes its a human right. yes i think food (enough to sustain you) and health care are human rights.
>>70629615
THOUS JUAT A JESTERING BRETHREN
Life is a human right, and access to water is crucial to living, so I would say yes.
>>70629683
>people like you would be fine if corporations sucked up all the air on earth to resell it to people
because THAT'S totally plausible.
Where they going to find a tank big enough to horde it all faggot?
>>70629658
neither does ownership. its a human made concept but we dont live in a natural setting where we must kill other people to take their belongings. we live in a civilized human society.
what about the property rights?
>>70629761
there is a movie about that very idea. i can't remember the name though.
>>70624308
>Human right
No such thing
Humans don't have rights, citizen do and if your country doesn't have to money or the power to give water to every citizen then your right is meaningless.
>>70624308
ur mum is a human right
>>70624308
No.
There is no such thing as a human right.
And if you disagree then please tell me what the fuck guarantees a "human right".
>>70629683
People can go drink the water from the rivers, lakes, ponds, whatever. Nobody is stoping them
But to imply that energy must be put in to filter and deionize, then transporter the water free of charge is absurd.
That's the point of taxes. People who don't pay taxes would not get that privilege.
>>70629815
>a movie
>>70629833
isnt sex a right in some countries? I know some euro nation paid for some prostitutes for physically disabled people. Think it was the Netherlands.
Why don't you Americans move up here?
In Canada, it is illegal for anyone to refuse a man a glass of water because we have so much fresh water!
>>70629947
Soon to be filled with Poo
>>70629922
As it should be. People who can't get laid cause all sorts of disruptions to society. It makes sense to get it for them if they can't get it for themselves.
>>70629947
But you also have snow niggers
>>70629889
the water and air are only polluted because of corporations. So it is the corporations responsibility to clean the water and air.
>>70624308
Well, you have a right not having your ground water or rain polluted so I guess it's true from a certain point of view.
>>70630023
Is It really that bad In the US? I thought the Simpsons was joking
>>70624430
>>70624364
>>70624308
FOR FUCK SAKE. YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE A HUMAN BEING. IF YOUR PARENTS DIDN'T BUST THEIR ASS TO GET A HOUSE AND RUNNING WATER, YOU DON'T DESERVE IT FOR FREE.
Rights are social constructs.
>>70630017
well ISIS are a good example of this. all of them are neckbeard virgins who cant get pussy.
>>70624308
tell that to nestle, who owns the majority of fresh water sources on earth
>>70624529
So you're saying the right to a fair and speedy trial is not an actual right? Because to demand that entails taking away the rights of others by forcing them to give you a fair and speedy trial.
Should that "right" be taken away? Should we just consider fair trials to be considered a privilege? Should people have to earn them??
>>70628755
Americans tend to believe that we are imparted by our creator with certain inalienable rights — namely life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (we all know he meant 'property' here).
>>70630100
we do have the Flint water crisis but thats not because of polluting the water on intention. thats because the pipes are so old. In China though corporations do just toss hazardous chemicals into rivers because its cheaper. Actually it might not be odd for some house contractors to just dump asbestos into regular landfills because its cheaper.
>>70624544
You got half of it right. If someone needs water, you should give it to them, because an altruistic and compassionate society is a noble society - but you still don't have a right to it. Nobody should be obligated to share their resources, they should share them of their own volition because it's a morally upstanding thing to do.
>>70630161
To be honest, Nestle deserves to be wiped from existence, every christian would agree if they knew what they do
>>70624308
No.
>>70624308
Water's a limited resource. No one has a right to limited resources.
>>70629201
is this image actually true?
>>70630161
I find that claim BS considering ~30% of the water in the world is fresh water.
>>70630271
no one has the right to land simply because they have a paper that says they do. Some huge meathead could take the land from weak little jews if natural law was still in place.
>>70630352
Of course not fuckface. The commies will never ban a commie.
>People can go drink the water from the rivers, lakes, ponds, whatever. Nobody is stoping them
Not if you live in states like Washington. Rainwater is owned by the state and rights to it are carefully regulated. Seriously. Drinking or collecting rainwater will get you arrested.
Revolution when exactly?
>>70630329
water isnt limited. it doesnt disappear from the planet like helium does. it gets recycled through the water cycle. we all are drinking water that dinosaurs pissed out billions of years ago.
>>70630161
>nestle, who owns the majority of fresh water sources on earth
Where the fuck is this meme coming from? Is there some new anti-capitalist agit-prop "documentary" floating around or something?
>>70624308
>When did human rights go from the absence of governmental influence to requiring governmental interference?
>>70630390
You think it isn't?
If you had a nuke and enough angry united people you could take hold of a shitty country no problem
![waterdist[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/EopzNRj.gif "waterdist[1].gif")
>>70630353
>you
>>70630599
when large multinational corporations came into existence. Its in human nature to overconsume and corporations are just the same because they are made of humans. you see corporations take or buy to over-collect natural resources so they are the lone seller.
>>70624839
Hitler is right
>>70624529
>The right to obtain Water by your own biological mechanisms is indeed a right.
So theft?
>>70630614
well try beating up Soros and see if you end up with his homes.
>>70629885
Extending that logic there is no such thing as right or wrong either, since there is no guarantee that morals will be enforced. Human rights are moral judgments. Someone who claims that everyone has a right to water in effect claims that an individual or a group representing the individual has a right to coerce another individual or another group of individuals to obtain water. This is what we call a 'positive right', an action must be taken in order to secure the human right. A negative right is a moral judgment that an individual or group of individuals representing the individual has a right to prevent another individual or group of individuals by force from taking a certain action. For example, your right not to be assaulted on the street is a negative right. Most people and virtually all left-leaning individuals agree that positive rights are morally justifiable. Libertarians and anarcho-capitalists generally subscribe to the non-aggression principle (NAP) that defends negative rights but not positive rights. Anarchists and nihilists often claim that neither of these are morally justifiable or even coherent principles, but rejecting both rights leads out of politics and into the realm of moral philosophy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_rights
>>70630216
I'm no expert, but it seems to me like, the government is forcibly putting them through a trial, so it seems kind of reasonable that they're restricted in their ability to hurt the person they're trying by drawing out the trial and abusing them while they're in the government's custody. I dunno, it just seems like there's an obvious difference between not being allowed to treat someone like shit and being forced to give someone water.
>>70630754
i am stealing air right now. lock me up!
>>70624308
>Water is the chemical substance with chemical formula H2O : one molecule of water has two hydrogen atoms covalently bonded to a single oxygen atom.
Therefore it's not a human right
/thread
>>70630664
All the lakes and rivers in the world is 1% of 2% of the worlds water. Crazy.
>>70625763
you're not charged if you go to a creek or a lake and get water and sterilize it
you're simply charged for sterilization
>>70630736
so by the guaranteeing water as a human right we can give the same politicians that are bought and paid for the multi national corporations control of the water? Its in human nature to overconsume and governments are just the same because they are made of humans. you see governments take to over-collect natural resources so they are the lone seller.
>>70630105
So if your parents did bust their ass to get a house and running water, you have a right to the fruit of their labor?
>>70630862
It's really those harmful gases you keep expelling that have me worried. Do you have a permit for that?
>>70624308
fucking autists ITT musing how water is not a human right.
>the dawn of humanity
>>70630864
from a philosophical standpoint nothing can own nothing because we are all atoms and atoms owning atoms is slavery. atoms do not have a right to other atoms.
>>70630836
Cause there is no right or wrong either.
A right what ever one may claim it is can only be secured by force or by getting all parties involved to agree.
What all the Anarchists don't realize is that humans cooperate and form communities and use force to maintain them and their prosperity. Meaning that the Non Aggression Principle is utterly useless and easily breached as there are no consequences.
It seriously blows my mind that faggots have a wild hair up their ass over bottled water.
>someone is making money selling clean water to people!
>how DARE they!
>>70630992
i suggest we get corruption out of government rather than destroy the government and let multinational corporations control us without the middle man.
>>70624308
water is a human need.
>>70631099
thats not the reason people hate bottled water. they hate it because the plastic bottles add unnecessary waste to landfills and pollution. water should be clean from the tap to begin with. bottled water should be more of an artisan product like mineral water not just to sell regular old clean water.
>>70631113
how do you get corruption out of government, you have already established that over consumption is human nature, politicians merely wish to consume more than others.
>>70630216
A trial is a government process which will determine whether or not you lose your rights to freedom or life and is done with force.
We allow the government to do this with a few important caveats like not forcing someone to testify against themselves. Another one being that they can't hold a person for as long as it wants. That'd be insane if you want to put a person to jail you better be able to prove it in a reasonable amount of time. Don't like it then don't arrest a person without the proper amount of evidence necessary to convict.
>>70631087
Of course your reasoning isn't incorrect, but it is rather uninteresting. Whatever can be secured by force is obviously simply what is going to happen. Claiming that whatever happens is morally just or rejecting morals altogether means that coherent reasoning is only important as an instrument for affecting the behavior or opinions of people who subscribe to the very principles that you reject.
It's a need, not a right.
>>70624308
not my responsibility.
>>70631241
>thats not the reason people hate bottled water.
and yet people are bitching about Nestle "over-collecting" water and selling it
>bottled water should be more of an artisan product like mineral water not just to sell regular old clean water.
Yeah how dare I expect to be able to buy regular fucking water for when I'm not able to access a tap.
>>70624308
>human rights
>>70624529
Muh property rights
Le gom and tage it XDXD
Suber ethical
>>70630902
Do you even understand how big the fucking ocean is?
Are you literally retarded?
>>70631099
We are not talking about bottled water only
>>70624308
there is no such thing as human rights
so no
The only "right" any man has are those he can secure for himself.
Niggers Pay your water bill so we can keep the lead out, the thread
>>70631588
Lol Oceans aren't even real dumbass
>>70624308
Nothing is your "right" but you can eat my right when you try and take away my water.
>>70631509
People bitch about Justin Bieber. Let them. Don't listen to every little opinion
>>70631633
so what are you talking about?
>>70631408
But claiming that Morality is not subjective is denying reality. Which is something you can only do up until the consequences of your actions show up.
Having a moral compass is a nice thing to have. And I am a Orthodox Christian. But I realize morality is subjective by the simple fact that different people believe in different kinds of moralities, a lot of which have things I consider immoral.
And that when stripped down to the basics we are only trying to convince the other in doing what we want.
>>70624308
>thinking this is an issue
JUST TURN ON THE GODDAMN TAP
>>70630216
I believe that was written when you could be held for as long as the arester felt warranted. ie you pissed of a friend of a friend of the officers. And he held you in a cell for a year before trial. Actually, I know that's where that came from.
>>70631760
Tap water for beggining. River water. Lake water.
>>70624308
Absolutely not. Supply depends on location. This is supposed to restrict population growth.
Do not, my friends, become addicted to water. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!
>>70624308
not a human right but a citizens' right for it's the responsibility of the state to provide working infrastructure for clean water distribution and, in case there's an excess, allow companies to bottle and sell it while demanding a fair share of the revenue
in this fashion water cannot ever be privatized
>human right
aka "controlled by politicians"
aka "controlled by globalists"
aka "we can genocide and exert great power on whoever we want by simply cutting supply"
Private enterprise wants money for supplying you with things. Public institutions want power, always more power.
What is the most rational choice then?
>>70625620
>Life is not a right, but pursuing it is...
well said
>>70624308
nothing is a right.
you have to work for what you want.
this is how humans made this far.
>>70631019
yes i dont see wats wrong with that
>>70631019
Yes. Because you're their future. That's why they busted their ass in the first place.
>>70624839
unless you're a straight white MALE :^)
>>70624308
>human right
no such thing
>>70629483
>not X marks the goldberg
>>70624308
Nope. Don't need water. You should try going without it for a few weeks and check back in you fucking faggot
>>70624308
There is no right at all.
>>70631019
Yes thats how society has always worked. Our ancestors worked their asses off for their kids and those kids did the same. Now we live in a world with plumbing, electricity and cars.
>>70631019
Of course. They are entitled to transfer their own stored economic energy to whomever they choose.
>>70624308
There is no such thing as a "right". It's a fiction of the narcissist.
>>70630263
The Flint water crisis is hogwash. Those blacks had been drinking water from those lead pipes for 100 years. It only became a problem when they found a white Republican they could blame. Lead water pipes are not that uncommon. They exist in your town too.
>>70624308
Since there is no unoccupied land that is neither the state's or private, (clean) drinking water is a right
>Government doesn't provide you food, but you need a license to hunt and fish
>They dont give you a house, but you have to build one by regulations and your makeshift house can and will be torn down without permits
>nowhere to settle cause it's always someone's place
You can't claim resources needed for survival and then also deny a man the right to get them on his own. If one doesn't pay his water bill, the reduce his supply to a trickle so he can drink to live and only that
>>70630112
Depends in what you mean by a right. Natural rights could be understood as objectively real.
No. Rights are to protect actions not consumables.
Water is as much a human "right" as jellybeans are.
>>70630836
>"Positive Rights"
This is leftist spin to redefine authoritarian theft.
>>70632638
You're literally a DINDU NEET child at that point. Sucking on their parents teet rather than the governments.
>>70624308
>having water collected, treated, and pumped directly into your house so you can enjoy the miracle of having clean drinking water come out of your faucet at the flick of your wrist is a right
>>70633325
>The US government actually prohibits you from collecting rainwater
JUST
So are we getting to the part where we kill people and blow shit up or will it be more bickering, bitching, and moaning as usual?
>>70624364
best first post best
>human
Humans=white people=yes water is a human right.
>>70624308
No, there are no positive rights that aren't into voluntarily.
You have a right not to have your water taken away. You don't have a right to gibsmedats water.
>>70624578
Well unless that labor is to cause them from not infringing on your rights. Like if they have a shitty dying tree on their property and it's going to fall in your house then they are obliged to make sure that doesn't happen.
Not necessarily a "human right". Though, federal law in the USA states that all citizens have a legal right to access fresh water. This is why it is illegal to damn up a stream or to post all land accessing a body of water as private property.
>>70624308
no, water is 2 atoms of hydrogen and 1 atom of oxygen
>>70624308
You know they want free water so they can keep their hose running 24/7 for green lawns and vegetable gardens right?
>>70632727
spizdi delat nazaj pero
>>70624308
It's true. The people who disagree don't have morals
>>70630216
The right to a fair trial means that
IF you are going to be put on trial, it will be a fair trial.
IF you cannot be given a fair and speedy trial, then you should not be put on trial.
>>70629885
This, the only rights you have are the ones you keep by force.
>>70633137
The problem isn't just that the pipes were made of lead, and your right that they've been fine for most of its history. But two years ago they changed their water supply from Detroit to the highly more acidic Flint River, since it was far cheaper. Of course nogs can't into water sanitation or checks, so that water stripped the lead pipes and poisoned the people in town for years before it came to light.
>>70624308
Rights are intangible; life, liberty, property. Physical things are NOT rights.
There should be no penalty for collecting and purifying your own rainwater.
>>70624308
Pretty sure you can ask any place here and they have to give you free water
>>70624308
Go check legal definition of rights.
>>70624308
The only rights people have are those they make for themselves.
You want water, take it. Don't demand it from others.
>>70641044
No they are not. They simply depend on your ability to defend them. Rights only exist to the extent you can actually enforce them.
>>70640580
and who installed those pipes? Evil racist white men.
>>70641133
thats illegal in america?
what the fuck
>>70624529
>Socialists use the word "right" to imply a moral obligation to give them what they want. They do not understand the word.
/thread.
>>70633424
You're retarded. Do you not see the irony in what you said nigger? THAT'S WHAT TEETS are for. Parents Want to give you nice things and a good chance at life. Sorry for your shitty welfare parents nigger. I guess your mom never breastfed your autistic mouth.
>>70624544
Waaa Waa pls gib food and water, feed me I am a helpless baby.
>>70624308
No. Humans are overrated.
>>70641541
In some drought states it is I think
or maybe where there is a big mosquito problem
>>70641541
Rain's not free in freedomland
Here is the ugly truth for you niggers: it is NOT a right. It should be given to all who needs it, or even all who wants it, but it is in no way, shape, or form a fucking right.
>>70633137
i had lead pipes and it it didn't do me any damage, then again i do browse pol
>>70624308
If that were true, there wouldn't be such nasty legal battles over water rights. Come into a room of farmers in my state, and it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that every single person in the room is either suing or being sued over water rights by somebody else in the room.
>>70631019
They're responsible for me, so yes, i can
>>70624308
Yes you racist scum, it's right there in the inalienable rights. You have the right to life, liberty and clean, pure water pumped right to your door for no cost.
Rights are contingent. The question is - should water be a right? I'd say yes.
>>70641864
Thats disgusting
>>70624544
This is obviously sarcastically posted as seen from the opposite side of the argument, but so far 4 retards lack the cognitive ability to realize this.
>>70642108
I live in a desert, and there isn't enough water for all farmers to get what they need for their livelihoods. Scarce resources lead to conflict, though in this case, the conflict is civil.
>>70641133
You're fucking retarded is what you are.
>>70624308
No.
But it better be.
>>70642332
>farming in a desert
Bring back slavery and all these poor people that are entitle to certain things like, water, healthcare and education can all sit together and provide it to eachother.
"Rights" are game rules. Whether any "right" is a right depends mostly on the people with the power to make the rules.
>>70624308
No, and the question reveals an absolute failure to understand the meaning of the word 'right.'
What would it mean to have a 'right' to water? A right to force someone else to build and operate and maintain a system that provides you with water when and where you need it? Nonsense, what about his rights?
>>70642624
It was fine for years. Even the Indians did it before Europeans arrived. The problem is that there has been too much of a push for growth, and it got expanded to the limits.
