So who was right?
http://strawpoll.me/7341924
I wouldn't know. I never read the comics, so really have no idea which is what.
>>70606517
>>>/co/
faggot.
>>70606703
Calm the fuck down Pedro you can still visit by the books
>>70606517
the comedian
Truth and chaos vs. Lies and order.
Both sides have merit, but both are severely flawed. I have to go with Ozy on the simple basis that ignorance is bliss, and sometimes it's not worth more people dying.
History actually happened so we know that Rorschach was right.
Nixon was never into nuclear war and neither were the Russians making an alien false flag was pointless, Ozymandias just had a god complex and wanted to feel like a special snowflake.
>>70606517
Rorschach. The nuclear war was never going to happen in the first place.
>>70606517
>anyone but The Comedian being right
the world is shit and there's nothing you can do about it
>>70607078
is this supposed to make me feel bad?
>>70606703
Shut the fuck up paco
And Rorsach was right.
Ozy was the ultimate jew.
>>70607505
That doesn't make Rorschach right. Ozymandias had the right idea. The masses are an animal which you have to steer and as long as there is nothing to unite them they will climb over each other like crabs in a hot pot. Next time you go around spouting "history actually happened" pseudo intellectual bullshit think it through.
>>70606517
its funny how close the poll is.
>>70607505
Different set of circumstances.
We never had a nude glowing blue god either.
Besides even if that were the case, Rorschach took a huge gamble
Anyone who says it's Rorscach is just an edgy faggot. It doesn't take much to realize ozymandias is the only hope for humanity.
>>70609338
the fact that mr.manhattan saw the future oz would create, and liked it proves this.
>>70606517
Ozymandias did what he did to prevent a nuclear holocaust. He was acting unselfishly.
Generally I'm against subversion and corruption but if it's truly for the right reasons (AKA the continued existence of the human species) then I'm OK with it.
Then again, a post-apocalyptic society with a small population that's based on honesty and integrity isn't terrible either.
>>70606517
Nobody.
But the closest to being right was the Comedian.
>people actually voting for Ozymandias
>despite his relation to the famous poem
>despite the existence of the Black Freighter story
????
>>70609604
>with a small population that's based on honesty and integrity isn't terrible either.
Rorschach had 0 control over what kind of people would survive, if any
>>70606517
Ill bump, someone explain the predicament for me plz? I just saw the movie and didnt really pay attention to ir but i know the basic storyline i guess. Idk wtf either fag wanted to do tho
>>70609730
What's your point?
Ozymandias's poem is about the inevitability of time and the black freighter about instincts that consume man.
??? is masturbation, if you have nothing to say don't act like you do.
>>70607078
>implying comedian isn't better.
If anything this is a pro America comparison.
>>70606517
Rorschach
He believed in his principals, stood by them, and chose to die for them. Knowing full that the secret would die with him, there would no songs or epics sung honoring him, because he believed it was right.
Ozymandias was a spoiled little fuck who framed a man he once called friend. On top of that, he chooses to continues living his life as if nothing happened afterwards. If he had least taken his own life to atone for all the murders he had committed, there would've been some redemption to his character.
Rorschach is also pretty much the living embodiment of /pol/. Solitary, vengeful, striking from the shadows, reactionary, extreme-right wing, believing society has sunk into deviance and must be violently corrected, denouncing political correctness and the status quo. Hence why he leaves his diary at the office of the New Frontiersman, and extreme right wing newspaper, because they will be the only ones willing to tell the truth.
I haven't read the comics and the movie didn't explain things all that well.
All I know is that I liked the fedora guy and he was all for truth while Aquaman was a liar who wanted to kill people for a greater good. What's the greater good? I have a feeling he wanted to create a multicultural globalist state, but I have no clue.
>>70610507
Fuck you, you sub intellectual loser. Do not respond to this fat sack of shit, spoon feeding is not permitted.
>>70607574
it's supposed you feel repentance
>>70610507
Wtf? What is the point of watching a movie if you're not going to pay attention?
>>70611515
This
>>70606517
roarshake
or however you spell his name
the truth is the only thing that matters, no matter how harsh it is.
>>70611515
>/pol/
>Solitary
>Vengeful
>Striking from the shadows
>Reactionary
>Extreme right wing
>Believes society has sunk into deviance
Also witty, nihilistic and wicked sense of humor?
>>70612043
Movies are shit and not a storytelling medium.
If someone wanted a movie to pay attention to they'd watch something like The Thing which is suspenseful and grips your attention at all times.
You watch Watchmen just to see capeshit and some caped asshole punch a guy in the face.
Ozymandias plan wasn't necessary. Cold War and USSR sorted themselves out, humanity survived for the time being and it didn't take the murder of millions to achieve that.
Rorschach.
>>70611515
Well yeah, but the truth isn't above the continuation of the human race. Truth < Some Things
>>70612168
i see someone tried to watch porn for the plot and got disappointing
movies are solid story telling methods, you just have to be not bat shit retarded to comprehend some of them
What's the point of this debate when even Ozy said that the Comedian was right and Rorschah became the reall villian in the end and got his ass fucked?
It was not about who was right or wrong.
but about what was really necessary to do.
>Killing millions to save billions. Was it necessary?
That's the right question.
>>70612043
A girl in high school wanted to watch it with me wtf am i going to do say no?
>>70612168
Yeah this. I dont know why the fuck we cant get movies like Taxi Driver or Godfellas anymore. Watchmen just had a lot of capeshit garbage and sex in it.
>>70611515
>Knowing full that the secret would die with him,
finish the fucking comic retard
>>70612371
>watching watchmen with other people
what are you? gay?
certain movies are meant to be watched alone.
Considering they didn't exist in real life and a nuclear war didn't actually happen, and was in fact less likely to happen because blue supermang is the ultimate deterrent -
I'm gonna go with Rorschach.
>>70612368
The blue fag could have just fixed the problem without anyone dying.
>>70612387
How about you finish his fucking post you faggot
>>70612481
Like poor little white guy?
>>70612111
But there is no truth. There is only power, and those too weak to use it. Ozy is the ultimate ubermensh
>>70612530
He didn't have free will.
He admitted that he had seen every action already, including his own.
>>70606517
Comedian.
>>70607078
The Russian understands. Comedian is 100% America. Keeping your country stable sometimes involves doing some terrible things.
>>70612530
It was stated in the movie (I dunno if in comics) that he couldn't stop all nukes.
>>70612547
stop copying the aussie flag faggot
>>70612597
but ozy's power is built on lies
the truth would reveal that and destroy him
>rorschach journal: some faggot's trying to blind the truth
>>70612719
>ozy's power is built on lies
At least he won some time.
>>70607337
Faggot.
>>70612387
The diary is but a short summation of the events up to Rorschach's departure. Knowledge of the full extent of Ozymandias's actions died with Rorschach.
On top of that, even if the Diary was printed, there would be a very high likelyhood that it wouldn't be believed or simply ignored.
Rorschach truly did stand alone
>>70612719
Ozy's power is built off his billions of hard earned dollars and personal research into sciences. He really only told one lie. And that faggot rorshack had to try to fuck it all up.
Ozy is the ultimate man and rorshack is just an obsessive.
>>70612855
but is lying your way to victory truely a win? what happens when the lies come crashing down on you and all that's left is the ruble of your empire.
not a win in my book
>this is me trying to be edgy
>>70612633
That's just bad writing. There are many things Smurf could have done. Just saying ''nope, he saw the future and this is the best :^)'' is bad writing.
It would be much better if it was stated that he could only see two or three versions of the future, and he made the choice based on that. He saw everything and this is the best choice? Fuck off.
Someone with such powers could do a lot of things to stop a nuclear war. Not even stop nukes, but avoid wars altogether. There's infinite options on how to go about it and an omniscient being could figure out a better way to deal with it.
>>70612886
>mfw his one lie is enough to destroy him
>>70612678
the comedian did nothing wrong
>>70612979
The man fooled god himself.
>>70613091
>god himself
>blue boy couldn't even stop a few nukes
>god
>himself
>wat
>Oy vey goy let us destroy 6 million civilized people or else everyone will die!
>that's why we had to block the omniscience of a benevolent man-god and use him to build a weapon! for your safety!
>you will all kill each other if you don't let us have control, stupid goy
Heres what pol isnt getting: ozy set out to be like alexander the great. He threw away his inheritance and became the worlds richest man on his own. He also was the peak of human physicaloty being the worlds fastest man. He advanced technology to the point where he could blind gods sight into the future. He attained his personal goals and with his personally sought power attempted to save the world. And he did. The world now has an Aryan king.
Ozymandias should really be /pol/'s role model.
Rorshach was just an edgelord who lived in filth and never conttibuted to society beyond vengefully killing criminals.
>>70612718
That's a plot contrivance then. He could literally be in multiple places at once and rearrange atoms just by looking at stuff
>>70612883
the journal was going to be run in a nationally syndicated newspaper
this is the 1980s, newspapers still matter
>>70613329
Literally Hiroshima and Nagasaki
>>70613579
we did that to save american lives, not japshits, dumb redstralia
ps it worked
>>70612371
>Born in le rong movie generation
Get a load of this fucking loser. Just watch something else that isn't Scorsese you pleb
Neither. Manhattan could have turned every nuke on the planet into ice cream.
>>70611515
Did you read the comic or just watch the movie?
>>70612266
Yes. It is. Have you need heard of the truth setting us all free?
>>70613930
Ihave the dubs of truth. You can lie to me as long as IM FUCKING ALIVE
>>70608749
>Ozymandias had the right idea.
If the "right idea" is unecessary and involves killing millions of people for no reason then its probably not the right idea.
>>70606517
Ozymandias = logical choice
Roarschach = muh feels
>>70606517
The Comedian
>>70614177
Veidt is, at that point, the smartest man in the world. Russia is standing down, because there is Dr.Manhattan. Veidt, early on, realizes how detached Manhattan is becoming. He also realizes the masked vigilante gig is not lessening the evil he set out to fight. Then the cold war is not looking like it is ending anytime soon and is threatening humanity. Doc M just can't stop every nuke on the planet. So he hatches a plan to unite humanity, because he is the single human that can unite all of humanity.
And about the killing of millions of people, how many people died or had to live in suffering as a result of the cold war and ensuing proxy wars? I'd argue a couple of million in direct and indirect ways.
>>70606517
both were larpers with autism, which says a lot about the kind of people who end up wielding power
>>70614177
>for no reason
there is your problem
>>70606517
if you side with ozymandias your a globalist scum supporter
>>70606517
Rorschach, Ozymandias never realized it , but it was all his ego.
>>70609604
I feel the elites of the real world are manipulating everything for the good too. Though I fail to understand why
>>70615082
>>70615055
>>70611515
>>70611812
No, it's all YOUR ego. You want to identify with Rorschach, because you'd rather believe you can change your surroundings with violence than the world with ideas.
(it's fitting for all of you even though I typed it out for one of you)
>>70615199
Well, all the facts are pointing in the direction of greed more than anything in the real world.
So who's right /pol/?
I'd assume /pol/ are definite Magneto men.
>>70612932
>but is lying your way to victory truely a win?
Of course it is.
>>70615404
Both are right. The mutants ARE superior, but Lehnsherr's extremism will only lead to more tension within the mutant community.
>>70613508
Rorshach is pol
Ozy is Trump
>>70607078
flag!!! hahahaha
>>70607078
>Captain America
>Wimpy beta bitch who needs steroids to do anything. Complete and utter failure in life until willingly enlisting in a brainwashing program. Dumb as a sack of bricks. Has no real political allegiance and when confronted by such repeats "m-muh democracy" ad nauseam. Relies on a serum created by a jew and a shield sourced from stolen african (wakandan) metals.
>The Comedian
>Alpha male who goes above and beyond his peers. Champions American values and understands them greatly as repeatedly proven throughout the series. Fights against communism at the cost of his own personal comfort. Highly intelligent, arguably the best detective of his time, was the first to notice Dr. Manhattan was distancing himself from the affairs of humans and also the first to discover Ozymandias' plan.
I'll take the second.
>>70606517
Rorschach, obviously. What feel good triggered progressive idiots on this board voted for the chickenshit Caligula wannabe Ozymandias?
>>70607078
>The Comedian?!
LMAO!
>>70615639
>Lehnsherr's extremism
Society actively hates mutants and wants them all rounded up or dead. Magneto is a reactionary doing what he has to do to survive.
>>70612973
No point having reality warping characters because all issues are now null and void.
>>70613140
He could destroy 99% of Soviet bases while destroying large parts of Russia. Sit down kid
This fucking board has become full of progressives and degenerates. Ozymandias' plan only makes sense to hedonist fools who can't think for themselves.
Ozymandias is a fucking false flagging multi-billionaire who manipulates the world to his own ends with terrorism.
Rorschach is a social reject deeply disappointed in society spending his time righting wrongs as deadly vigilante alter ego.
But in the end it was Rorschach who was right because Ozy had committed countless crimes claiming lives and the world had to know.
>>70616972
There is a difference between what is true and what is right. Rorshach lived a life devoted to truth and justice. He lost and saw his world crumble. If you want to get anything done in life you are going to have to learn to think like ozymandias.
>>70609604
>Ozymandias did what he did to prevent a nuclear holocaust
No he didn't. He played with human fear to shape the world to his liking. He had a god complex and he managed to manipulate the course of human events. That power meant everything to him, even more than his own life.
>>70609053
>Rorschach took a huge gamble
No he didn't. He knew that Ozymandias' argument was fallacious. Ozymandias was killing the other Watchmen, because he literally wanted to play god with people's lives and he wasn't going to let anyone stand in his way. He couldn't be trusted.
>>70609338
>>70609535
Okay, fuck the both of you cum guzzling faggots! Rorscach died a fucking hero. The Blue "god" guy was a total cuck that killed him for his girlfriend and her bull.
>Generally I'm against subversion and corruption but if it's truly for the right reasons (AKA the continued existence of the human species) then I'm OK with it.
You are okay with being a slave instead of being an American. I don't care that this is a comic book story, you don't belong in this country. Please just get the fuck out as soon as possible and take your Marxist values with you.
>>70617380
Funny thing is that Rorschach was written satirically, the writer Alan Moore is a leftist and never thought Rorschach was actually going to be popular. Because he himself disagreed with all the viewpoints Rorschach had.
I see Rorschach sharing many of my views, the only difference being he's gone a bit bonkers from all the shit he's seen.
>>70615199
For their own good. It looks like 126 people on this board agree with you assuming you voted for Ozymandias.
>>>>70617619
No one will argue rorshach didnt die a hero. Of course he did. Fact of the matter is Ozy's strategy was more effective. He sought power and used it. All rorshach had was righteousness. But that world, and this one,are clearly not ready to embrace his path. "The end is nigh"
>>70617619
Shill harder. No, really, please do. What the fuck is that blue god cuck slave leave my country you commie paragraph. How can you be a real person? HOW?
You are acting like Rorschach, no ability to read in between lines, to weigh one thing against another, to taste the bitter with the sweet. It's all black and white.
Ozymandias saw a way to unite mankind in the face of certain doom. Rorschach was willing to throw away the lives of the people that Ozymandias killed in the name of HIS ego, in the name oh HIS pursuit for truth because HE couldn't deal with that black and white sometimes makes grey, that sometimes a pattern has to be broken and a fuckin alien threat is the biggest pattern breaker in all of human history, so go fuck YOURSELF you unamerican piece of shit, for someone so keen on liberty, on freedom you don't seem to be all too concerned about the blood you are wading in "your" america.
Depends on what you value...
I dont care to save the world with lies .Principles are more important and besides
A calamity is better than a thosand words when it comes to teaching.
Nixon was about to authorize preemptive nukes against Russia so Ozy was 100% right.
>>70617750
Rorshach definitely is a good symbol for what /pol/ is. He even looks like our old /new/ tan.
>Mfw no pic
>>70617750
He was written that way because Moore originally wanted to use the Charlton comic characters DC had just acquired and Rorschach was supposed to be Ditko's The Question. The editors wouldn't let him drag all their brand new licenses through the mud and told him to make a whole new cast. So he modeled Rorschach after The Question and an older Ditko character Mr. A. These were old black and white comics about a moral absolutist hero, which is why Rorschach behaves the way he does and wears that mask.
It's not satire, it's homage.
people have the right to know the truth. even if the truth may cause their death.
>>70618442
>so go fuck YOURSELF you unamerican piece of shit
>for someone so keen on liberty, on freedom you don't seem to be all too concerned about the blood you are wading in "your" america.
This has to be bait, because you are an Austrian calling me un-American for my "Give me liberty of give me death attitude" and calling someone out for his belief that subversion and corruption are acceptable if they save lives despite that the quality of life is nearly always completely objectionable under such circumstances. Americans killed other Americans for their freedom. The tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants, but thank god this guy >>70618442
isn't in my country. I feel sorry for Austria.
>>70613642
>imply good movies arent a dime a dozen
Bitch name 2 good movie that came out last year
>>70619085
People might have the right not to be decieved. But in reality who would ever enforce that right? It has never happened. The only way to know the truth is to find it yourself. The world in reality has a vested interest in keeping you bluepilled.
Ozy understood this and did the only sane thing: took action himself.
>>70612886
you didn't understand the character.
rorshack knows he's obsessive and the Ozy is right, this is why he remove his mask prior to telling bluemangroup to kill him.
the mask is what makes him rorshack in his mind.
>>70619119
Do you consume? You are a slave. Do you block out every form of commercial and ads? You are a slave. Do you have instincts? You are a slave. You are not free, that is a misconception. You are free to do as you please, of course, but that is not freedom. You deny your fellow american the same liberty you possess. You are a slave to your rigid beliefs. You are a slave to the belief that you are free. You talk about the tree of liberty that was built on native american, chinese, irish and black blood (and then some).
You are already living in a country that uses suberversion and corruption and then you have the audacity to call someone out with the worst kind of pride. Nationalism, the lowest form of tribalism. I'm not talking about preserving your culture (I like the picture where you have 5 sets of tubes with different colors and then they get mixed and its just some brown mush). I'm talking about you parading your opinion as if there is any thought behind it but 'murrrriicaaa.
Ozy. Actually having a plan to prevent humankind from wiping itself out rather than "well we'll just let things sort themselves out" is way better in my view. Rorshack is for edgy faggots with anarchy wet dreams. Real results are accomplished with lies, perseverance and methodical execution.
>>70606517
The guy who didnt kill himself instead of facing the problems with his ideology.
>>70606517
The truth is always more important. Better a dangerous free society than a tyrannical one that barely resembles human life.
Ozymandias' plan may have worked for a time, but eventually there would come another threat. Nuclear weapons would eventually have fallen into the hands of someone who didn't care and just wanted to see the world burn. There is never a guaranteed safety, only promises that can never really be backed up. Mistaking quiet for peace is foolish.
>>70619528
Rorshach repeatedly said "even in the face of armageddon, never compromise"
He had a choice to stay quiet like le owl man, but chose to die. Id say that implies he believed ozy was wrong. He was beaten.
>>70619119
You can't be a real person. No one can be this stupid if they are older than 12.
![maxresdefault[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hiq07Ji.jpg "maxresdefault[2].jpg")
>Men get arrested, dogs get put down
What did he mean by this? The guy didn't look like a dog to me it looked like he was a human
Who is right /pol/?
>Iron Man
>Believes all superheroes should be forced by government to protect
>Needs to be under government regulations as well
>Captain America
>Believes superheroes should have the freedom to protect if they so desire
>Also means if superheroes decide to go rogue
>>70620318
Get that marvel shit out of here
>>>/reddit/
>>70619400
He understood disinformation and manipulation. He idolized Alexander the Great for conquering the Earth. Even Owlman and Dr. Manhattan (the blue naked cuck) knew Ozymandias was a villain. They literally let him have his way because Muh feels, oh scary nuclear threat.
>>70619832
>that was built on native american, chinese, irish and black blood (and then some)
So fucking what? Those are my ancestors you're talking about, asshole.
>You are already living in a country that uses suberversion and corruption and then you have the audacity to call someone out with the worst kind of pride.
Do you think I'm not aware of that? Stop telling me about my own country. You're only repeating shit you've heard others say. You know nothing. I'm not prideful, accepting subversion and corruption instead of demanding it be rooted out is a very dangerous opinion and very much against the ideals of Americans that gave up their lives to free slaves in a bloody civil war.
>>70616083
Cap in the movies was totally watered down in terms of his beliefs.
Comic book Cap is a Republican, or at least holds fairly libertarian values which may me mistaken for liberalism in today's standards.
Ultimates Cap was old school Right Wing values and i know for a fact we will never see that in the movies, ever.
(P)ozzy is false-flagging socialist scum creating fake threats like nuclear holocaust in order to unite the world under his power-hungry rule.
The events of the books started when the doomsday clock was at 12 minutes to midnight, and that was long after ozzys plan was already on motion. The IRL doomsday clock is at 3 minutes to midnight because of Norks and Iran, and has only ever been higher than 12 during The early '90s. Nuclear holocaust was not going to happen, especially if blueman fucked off somewhere else like he actually wanted to instead of sticking around to be ozzy's little lapdog.
Rorsach was not wrong but his beliefs were too idealistic to ever survive. His fate was always to die unknown in some gutter bleeding from wounds taken during his 'heroic' moments.
The comedian was both correct in morals and right in logic, that's why ozzy had to kill him first so that there would be no other option for humanity than to lay under his boot.
Neither, but clearly Veidtcucks need to commit suicide. What fearful little sycophants.
>capeshit now on /pol/
can you guys stay here
>>70615295
"I have to trick the superhuman into either leaving Earth or becoming the enemy"
"Even though he has consistently expressed dissatisfaction with current events and has always put others ahead of himself".
Yeah no, Rorschach is a cunt but he doesn't jack off to himself that much.
What's with this retarded far left Austrian prick? Is he a fucking autistic Millennial suffering from too much mercury poisoning, a paid shill, or a "refugee" determined to shitpost on /pol/?
The fact that so many here are having positive interpretations to the story in regards to these two makes me happy, as it proves just how complicated the story was and still is.
Our history is complicated, and it seems that more and more, as a people we are trying to not question history anymore, the fact that this argument is ongoing let's me know that some people still question what's in front of them.
Then again this is 4chan so we arent complete normies....
>>70620503
Fuck your ancestors, all that matters is you. The only truth that matters is the one you perceive. The only other thing, if you really care about truth is to realize you are being subversed and corrupted. What is porn, what is the media, what are those pictures that get more and more streamlined all over the world. The only reason I went off on you was the usage of certain terms (cry thought police boofuckinhoo) like cuck, slave, marxist, not caring about it being a discussion with a certain set up that is the comic. Either you are a shill, a shitposter or simply never had a discussion. (or maybe I'm being stupid for arguing with you even though its clear we have differing views)
>>70620620
So the smartest man in the world can't use his wealth and power to "read" world politics, alright.
>>70620649
big word for someone with such a basic insult
>>70620620
>3 minutes to midnight because of Norks and Iran
Since 2007 it has also reflected climate change
>has only ever been higher than 12 during The early '90s
When Ronald Reagan and Thatcher were out of power
>>70621132
Poor thing. Which word was too hard for you?
Should have been a separate Comedian movie!!!
>>70621355
Guess!
>>70621087
Symbols are really the best way to interpret the world. A whole lot of what goes on in this world can be read through these two. Its tough finding the absolute truth of our past. But symbols like these really help.
>>70606517
This feels like a battle between libertarian /pol/ and fascist /pol/.
>>70621587
And as always the libertarian is winning
>>70620154
It meant the guy he was executing was unfit to be deemed human. understandable, seeing what his crime was (child murderer).
>>70619891
This is why the ending in the comics is better. Adrian bioengineers an alien monster and teleports parts of it to major cities throughout the world. The hysteria that follows unites the world against an invisible threat. There's no need to disarm each other, just to be ready for another threat
Using John as the catalyst keeps the threat human and American in origin.
>>70621587
>>70621676
>tfw libertarian and voted Ozymandias
I suppose I am redpilled enough to realise the public is too stupid to change, so it is better to work to change the whole system.
>>70621700
The movie ending really ruined it. The story doesnt work unless its the ayyliums.
>>70612368
>>70606517
>Killing millions to save billions
MULTI-TRACK DRIFTING
>>70621847
Maybe I understood it wrong, but I felt like Ozymandias is the libertarian?
>>70621430
The Comedian mini-series that came out a few years ago with the other "before Watchmen" comics was pretty good. You see how he's singlehandedly responsible for the Tet Offensive.
>>70621927
I see.
I thought Rorschach's obsession with the truth made him the libertarian.
What was libertarian about Ozymandias, I thought he looked down on free will?
>>70621927
Its funny because both of them could be seen as complete fascists.
>>70621927
Adrian is a faceless fascist. He's the epitome of the 80s. A free market capitalist with a multi-billion dollar transnational corporation who would rather sacrifice millions from behind the scenes to control the flow of world events than injecting himself into global politics. After Watchmen I can see him being like his world's George Soros.
>>70612973
Maybe Papa Smurf isn't as all-knowing and God-like as he thinks?
Nothing else makes sense outside of plot device convenience.
>>70622187
True
>>70622099
>>70622234
My interpretation was that the world was in a stalemate until the emergence of Dr.Manhattan, which only solidified the borders and ideologies. By introducing an otherworldy threat those "petty" differences could be laid aside to achieve "true" peace, which in turn ultimately works for "freedom".
>>70622099
If anyone looked down on free will it was rorshach. He saw the degeneracy it beought and it disgusted him to no end. Ozy saw the reality that the world could end and manipulated the world to stop it.
Both are fascist in nature but only rorshach would have registered for the Nazi party.
>>70621847
Every time you say this, remember this one thing:
You are the public.
>>70606517
>taking away the main reason for technological development away from an entire planets populace
>expects it to thrive
Ozy had the balls to make the hard choice. Its like the Trolly Problem. Roarschach choose not to not do anything and let 5 people die, Ozy saved 5 people and killed one.
>>70622594
Well der.
The differences is I choose to look at history, economics, statistics and science while they choose to watch sports, celebrity gossip and make-up tutorials.
There is no reason for me to believe they are better informed to make the correct decision.
>>70621132
>Fuck your ancestors
Fuck you too, buddy!
>The only truth that matters is the one you perceive.
>The only other thing, if you really care about truth is to realize you are being subversed and corrupted.
You talk about my country like it's one damn person. Like I'm somehow stupid of how my government is subverted and corrupted by greed. You don't know me, kid. You don't know anything about me, but you sure as hell assume an awful lot.
>The only reason I went off on you was the usage of certain terms
>like cuck, slave, marxist
Okay, first of all you don't belong on /pol/, because you are going to be going off on damn near everyone here. This is a politically incorrect message board where political terms like cuck, slave and Marxist are in common use. Why are you here? Just to rage?
>>70622773
Oh fucking lol.
>>70622562
>but only rorshach would have registered for the Nazi party.
Roarschach was not a white supremacist, nor was he a Nationalist.
>>70606517
>Not comedian
he was the only one who saw the wolrl for meaningless joke it is. I would choose Rorschach between the two tho, Ozymandias was a selfrighteous moralfag.
>>70615404
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWDDVuxFboI
Still probably the best relationship in comic-book history
>>70622744
"Ozy" murdered a lot of innocent people. Hard choice? Roarschach let Dr. Manhattan deconstruct him on a sub atomic level. He stood by his convictions and died for what he believed in.
>>70623383
>White supremacist
>killed Polish, French and British
U new?
>>70623053
To see opinions that are not my own. Of course I assume and until I see or am proven that I'm wrong I will keep assuming. I didn't like being thrown into a pot with "feel good triggered progressive idiots on this board voted for the chickenshit Caligula wannabe" because I think Ozymandias, in the end, was right, but I don't mind that. What I did mind was you calling yourself american and then telling another american what to do, especially with the usage of those words. (which are not political, come on, they are insults supposed to paint a picture)
Also, it's just my personal belief but using the word cuck is a red flag for shilling/derailing to me.
Top 5 anime battles
>>70622773
It's not about who's making the right decision, it's about who's doing the decision making.
You can be an enlightened redpill renaissance man all you like, fully seeing the puppet show, the strings, and the puppeteers in crystal clear detail.
The problem is that regardless of how smart you might be currently, you're not a person who makes things happen, you're a person who things happen to. You're not George Soros doing what he thinks is right and culturally enriching the West by paying people to bring in migrants, you're an Aussie on /pol/ suffering from it. It doesn't matter who's right because only he is doing something about it.
>>70611515
I heard joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Life seems harsh, and cruel. Says he feels all alone in threatening world. Doctor says: "Treatment is simple. The great clown - Pagliacci - is in town. Go see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. "But doctor..." he says "I am Pagliacci." Good joke. Everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum. Curtains.
Rorschach was objectively not right. All he did was fuck up what Ozymandias managed to do.
With the miniscule influence I wield I gain less by opposing any change at all in contrast to supporting a change that I want to see.
>>70623771
>What I did mind was you calling yourself american and then telling another american what to do
Go fuck yourself, I didn't start by calling myself an American, I started by expressing my dismay about that idiot being an American.
>especially with the usage of those words. (which are not political, come on, they are insults supposed to paint a picture)
They are political in nature as they represent a negative reality associated with leftists that you obviously don't comprehend.
>Also, it's just my personal belief but using the word cuck is a red flag for shilling/derailing to me
Cuckolding is a thing, a very bad/negative thing and Dr. Manhattan was in part a cuck of a mentally unstable woman born of an adulterous affair as the daughter of the man her mother taught her to hate. The mother was cucking her husband with the biological father.
>>70624960
meant for >>70623903
Ozzy because after 9/11 and over 3,000 innocents died the entire world collectively decided that terrorism was bad and we must put a stop to it by joining together as one world to eradicate evil.... Oh wait....
>>70606517
Ozymandias was the villain. He actually is meant to represent SJWs.
>focuses on education and theory over practical experience
>Thinks he is smarter and better than everyone else and can simply make others do what he wants
>Will destroy anyone who interferes with his 'grand plans', no matter how innocent the person is
>Pretends to be virtuous in public but is privately a murdering monster
>A faggot
Guys, Ozymandias was trying to create a one-world government: the author is an anarchist - he's the fucking villain.
>>70606568
what is wrong with you?
>>70606517
>Rorschach's journal for a sobering present
>Oz's victory guidelines for a better theoretical future
>Comedian for the jokes we tell ourselves to give the world a solid foundation to cope with it all.
In my humble opinion Rorschach was the most right out of the three. If his journal got digitized it would be enough reasonable doubt in everything OZ struggled for.
>>70625149
Dr Manhattan is a physical being.
Terrorism is a concept that can hide anywhere.
big difference.
>>70622773
I thought this board was 18+.
>>70625473
Dr Manhattan was an American fighting for their imperialist values
So Good luck with that
>>70625728
Dr. Manhattan was controlled and cucked by Silk Spectre.
>>70606517
It depends on what you consider to be the ultimate goal. If you're in favor of survival at all cost, then Ozy is the obvious choice, given that he's willing to sacrifice truth and human lives in te present to save Humanity as a whole. If you think the search for truth is the highest quest one can dedicate himself to and is worth dying for, then Rorschach is the right answer.
It's a struggle between idealists and realists. Rorschach was fiercely anti-communist so he gets my vote.
>>70626054
But then again, this is a world with an actual superpowered being in it, and where nuclear armageddon was literally just around the corner. What Ozymandias did was necessary, took his whole life to accomplish, and actually worked.
All Rorshach really did was whine about it and destroy it utterly because he couldn't handle the truth of the matter: That humanity wasn't going to change, and needed to be refocused over the course of years in order to survive.
>>70625985
>my gf after the silk specter/dr Manhattan sex scene:
>wow, two of you fucking me and another you getting work done around the house
>the fuck is she complaining about?
>>70626247
>germoney
More like one of you is setting up with the video camera, two are building the cuck shed in the garden, three more are canvassing the local black ghetto for new bulls, and sisteen more are playing with their train sets.
>>70626231
I would usually side with Ozy, but the lie he uses is so monumental and the human cost so massive that at some point his whole planned peace for Humanity will crumble, in which case the ensuing civil war will result in total chaos. Then again there is no easy choice, that's the whole point of the story.
>>70626463
True dat. I assume that the world is basically moments away from getting fucked, so it was worth the cost. Human lives aren't really the main cost, though. Ozymandias gave them unity, but it was a unified bloodlust, aimed at the stars. Presumably he knew there wasn't anything out there, though.
>>70625108
>You are okay with being a slave instead of being an American. I don't care that this is a comic book story, you don't belong in this country. Please just get the fuck out as soon as possible and take your Marxist values with you.
You are right, I read that as implied, it's not something you have written.
You are still judging his Americaness. That's not very land of the free like. That's something that a "true american" (try defining that) could judge. What you said is something that someone that is a slave to his belief system would say which you obviously are as you not even attempt to let your opinions clash, but put him in a neat little leftist marxist cuck box which has a lot of implications, but is ultimately nothing more than an insult that comes from the "right" corner. No discussion to be had, just judgement. You can't call yourself american if you think like that or rather, you can board the same plane as him as thought policing is another thing you attribute to the left, no?
>>70626369
>trip fag
>rare as shit
> fucking Macau
>Brit on vacation
Wew....
>>70626720
Enjoy it!
>>70606517
Ozymandias blew up Jew York so that was good, but I liked Rorschach for the way he dealt with criminals:
Men get arrested, dogs get put down
Night Owl was a cuck who got Dr Manhattan's sloppy seconds. Dr Manhattan was just autistic (couldn't understand people) but was literally a god so he was pretty cool. The Comedian was probably the best though
>>70626659
2 things
1. Your grasp of the English language is more than fundamentally flawed.
2. You mean something different than freedom, you speak of Nihilism, which is not the same thing as freedom.
I did not say he was a Marxist, nor that he had Marxist beliefs, but that his values were Marxist, or the same as Carl Marx's values. Also thought policing means no thinking whatsoever except for what your government tells you. I expressed my dismay over his values, then I politely requested him to leave with his values adding that they were the same as Marx's. Now if you would be so kind, please go kill yourself. The world needs less autistic fucktards that don't know what the fuck they are talking about.
>>70627762
Alright! I was getting bored of you anyway. Don't be so spiteful, it will make you lonely.
>>70627914
Sorry for being so spiteful, but it's frustrating for me when someone misunderstands like this and I've stayed up all night.
>>70628122
Then I'm sorry for assuming so many wrong things friend, have a good one.
>>70606517
/pol/ is too stupid to see that Watchmen is about America's idiocy thinking of itself as a world superhero.
Rorschach is "righteous" but to what end? His own sense of being "better" than Ozymandias is not an end. He accomplishes nothing in the pursuit of justice.
Ozymandias prevents a nuclear war. Inb4 " hurr there was no nuclear war", for the sake of the comic--yes--there would have been a nuclear war and Ozymandias fucking prevented it. The fact that he does so in the shittiest of ways is central to the message of the entire comic.
Dr. Manhattan, our God figure, chooses Ozymandias, not Rorschach. He chooses practicality over "righteousness", because practicality is the only real objective good. It doesn't matter what we actually think of it, it matters what it is. That's the whole reason Dr. Manhattan is portrayed as being so far removed from human pettiness.
The Comedian, the entire point of his character, is that he embodies America, supposedly the most righteous entity of all, but does so knowing that it's all bullshit and that the American definition of justice is no more valid than the communist form or whoever else the Americans were killing. He wants to be this big great hero guy, desperately, but knows that he can't--and that the entire concept of being a superhero is very much just masturbation for the ego of the superhero--THIS IS A GIGANTIC FUCKING CRITICISM OF AMERICAN NATION BUILDING.
Rorschach is supposed to be an idiot. You're supposed to feel sorry for him for being an idiot in the comics. The message you're supposed to get is: Damn, I really wish he was right, but he can't see the truth. He's the idiot that thinks going to Vietnam was actually a good thing.
Rorschach goes to Vietnam and is happy because he thinks they're doing good.
The Comedian goes to Vietnam and is sad because he realizes it's a fucking joke.
Ozymandias figures out a way to stay out of Vietnam altogether, and that's the only thing that matters.
What Ozy did was ultimately unnecessary. With the same level of conspiratorial effort & finances he could have cooled the situation. And even then I don't think he needed to do anything to prevent nuclear Armageddon.
Because of this I think Rorschac was right to be antagonistic towards Ozy & his plans.
Plus, the pursuit of truth is a much better principle then the pursuit of human comfort.
>>70618392
Wasn't the punchline of the story that Ozymandias's plan would ultimately be thwarted by Rorschach's leaving his journal behind for that tabloid?
That's why Manhattan implies that it was all for nothing. Ozymandius built his plan off of the assumption that he could control information, but in the end, Rorschach got the truth out.
>>70629343
>for the sake of the comic
You might as well be parroting what the writer(s) explained in peripheral material. This isn't your opinion, it's the writers.
>>70629343
>He accomplishes nothing in the pursuit of justice.
He mailed his diary to a newspaper publisher, meaning that when you say
>Ozymandias prevents a nuclear war. Inb4 " hurr there was no nuclear war", for the sake of the comic--yes--there would have been a nuclear war
you are dead fucking wrong. The world learned the truth in the end. Rorschach beat Ozymandias by exposing him.
>Dr. Manhattan, our God figure, chooses Ozymandias, not Rorschach. He chooses practicality over "righteousness", because practicality is the only real objective good. It doesn't matter what we actually think of it, it matters what it is. That's the whole reason Dr. Manhattan is portrayed as being so far removed from human pettiness.
He chose Ozymandias because he is a cuckold slave to Silk Spectre.
>Rorschach is supposed to be an idiot.
It was never implied so. Rorschach was a victim. He grew up in hell, only ever seeing the darkness and cruelty human beings were capable of.
