Why are American muslims cool for the most part while european ones arent?
Because they conform to american standards while living their muslim values
They're not
>>70602502
Their parents aren't allowed to enforce sharia law on them outside their home.
>>70602502
the ones in America blew up long ago
>>70602502
Nice try, Ahmed. We still don't want you here.
>>70602502
There is less of them in America so they have to conform to Western values.
The more Muslims in a society the more they revert to Islamic culture and practice Sharia.
>>70602502
>American muslims cool
What is Nation of Islam?
Some of them actually make an attempt to westernize.
>>70602502
I had a hot one try and date me. didn't wear burqa and laughed when I joked about cleaning my shoes on her prayer rug. I have no idea what is going on in europe but every muslim I've met here is pretty cool. except for that ahmed kid tha lives a block away from me. now tha I think about it that girl probably would be on ahmed's side
They are Western washed.
>>70602502
Because when they explode shit here, we fucking kill them and torch mosques. America has been invaded by shitskins of all type (if not outright imported for purposes of economic exploitation) and has met deliberate efforts against integration with bloody constraint.
Europe just needs to nut-up if they want their Muzzies to be properly handled.
>>70602502
Because our immigration standards don't give free passes to people just because they're Syrian.
When their 2% of the population they want to assimilate, they want you to accept them, they don't want attention unless it's positive, they just want to be normal.
When they're 10% of the population a vocal minority of them will use it to define their personality, because they're so empty and hollow they have nothing else.
Read up about significant minorities, even the left wing agrees.
Their parents were probably rebels that's why they left that shithole of a country.
>>70602502
Because american muslims are relatively rich.
First of all, it's difficult to get permission to stay and live in america as a muslim. You don't take hordes of uneducated refugees straight from the middle east.
It would be more common for you to take businessmen and people from more successful areas where they are more educated than average.
You don't go on a raft through the atlantic. Not that I would complain if they tried and died, though
because you have so few, they're pretending.
>>70602502
You got plenty of intellectual Arabs from when Iran turned to shit in the 70s.
We get all the poorfag Arabs because they can get here by foot/ rickety boat
>>70602502
Because we're islamophobic and they know it.
>>70602502
Because Americans are incredibly nationalistic, and our police are incredibly nationalistic because of muh guns. Because the very people that enforce the laws in this country have no tolerance for them acting like fucking savages, and if they get out of line they're gonna get fucking destroyed by police armed with military gear they're itching to use and get cut off at the fucking pass.
Because despite Obama, America still doesn't put up with Islamic shit.
>>70603158
>Arab
no we got Iranians not barbarians
The children assimilate even if their parents don't
A hate Muslims and their backwards ass religion... But those headscarves really turn me on...
What's wrong with me /pol/?
>>70603237
this look what happens to the Africans who are pretty close in terms of culture and religion when they get out of line image what would happen to outsiders like Muslims
>>70602502
>Why are American muslims cool
That's just some serious heresy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVvgrEm4FE4
All immigrants here assimilate in the second gen
>>70603141
This
>>70602605
/thread
All Muslims are fucking AWFUL.
>>70603316
she's wearing it to hide her beauty and you want to see what she looks like.
>>70602502
More muslim females then muslim men
>>70603316
Oh the headscarves can be really pretty. I used to live near a mosque and the only color you saw over there were the headscarves.
>>70602883
Go break Ahmeds legs
Yeah, totally, American Muslims are based - take this guy for example.
They aren't
this guy killed 5 marines in Tennessee and the story was forgotten immediately because Islam is the religion of peace.
>>70602502
People on /pol/ always think that just because I'm a Brit, I'm a Muslim. I'm not a Muslim myself, but I feel more close to the people of Islam than a country like France. However, I respect the prophet Muhammad and Islam more than I do other religions. It has many good values.
>>70602605
Except they don't conform to their values in North America. Americans are just very good at making religious folks practice their shit hypocritically. Better commercials maybe?
>>70602502
american arabs are rich
euro arabs are poors that abandon their family to walk there for handouts
>>70602502
Most of the ones who come over here have more money so they're not growing up in shitty brown ghettos surrounded by other goat fuckers. It's not perfect though since there's still plenty of ISIS support among the younger generation, same as in Europe.
>>70603583
Muslim values:
>pedophilia
>rape
>retardation
>inbreeding
>global conquest
>>70603316
Those head scarves are disgusting, just make the woman look weak and submissive, as they are supposed to.
>>70603597
We dont.
>our bees do.
>>70603530
Break the chick's hymen first though.
>>70603583
Very subtle Walid.
It's because of 9/11. Since that day, everything changed for Muslims in America. They started reporting their terrorist cells instead of hiding them, gradually they got on our good side and we gave them degrees and higher income rates. They knew that their radicalism wasn't going to survive here, because America is not a socialist country where you can have 3-4 terrorist leaders living in state-funded housing a couple blocks from each other like Molenbeek.
I still distrust them greatly regardless of their so-called good acts. They are slowly taking over major businesses here in the Chicago suburbs, a section of Bridgeview is even called Little Palestine (like on a map, not as a joke). Soon a major terrorist event will happen and they'll renounce it like they always do while biding their time for the eventual islamification of the whole country.
>>70602502
Total cuck
go back to 7+1 chan where they suck cuck cock
>>70603454
The only thing it hides is her hair, we can see her butter colored teeth just fine. She's a gross shitskin 2/10 would not insiminate
>>70602502
Snakes lying the grass waiting to strike.
Fuck them all.
>>70602836
yes .. and get a preacher that will egg them on, remind them of what a good muslim does, face peer pressure to be true etc. I absolutely second, that it's numbers. When there's no hope of sharia you forget it, settle in. No muslims around to give + get muslim vibes from. When it's within reach by your numbers, you and the others will by nature or peer pressure go for it. Look at Dearborn Michigan, it's pretty muslim, and it shows.
They are not. Don't let them in any form or amount. There is no such thing as a "cool" minority of people that worship a pedophile's death cult.
Muslim immigrant here.
Ask my anything.
>>70603932
When do you leave?
>>70602502
not enough yet
dearborn michigan is getting kind of fucked though
>>70602846
A heretical, racist sect.
>>70602502
Because they are low in number
Also they are hardly 'based', you just don't know about what goes on because your media doesn't discuss it until they blow shit up.
>>70603988
Last 2 digits on my post in years.
>>70603583
Hi Mohammed
>>70603932
Ever worn a hood all the way to Cuba?
Their concentration is too low. The fun starts at about 6% of the population.
>>70604038
Cool, I'll ship your corpse home in 38 years if you don't shape up
It's easier to keep their "Allah Ackbar!"-genes in check when the general population is armed.
America has a meltingpot culture where basically everyone is expected to drop a good portion of their old culture and adopt an american one, and usually, once they have done just that all other people just view them as "normal" for the most part and don't really bother them.
In europe this is not the case. You can integrate all you want, but it ain't gonna change that you're brown and hated for it.
So then for quite a few it becomes a why bother situation.
In addition American Muslims are mostly upper and middle class, and better educated than your run of the mill retarded goat herder or sand farmer.
>>70604063
Evens yes, odds no.
>>70604087
What shape?
>>70603583
You'd probably enjoy a muslim country then. You should go try one out, that's what they're for.
Too many too fast. None of them even speak European languages.
>>70603726
Hispanics are more likely to take over then muslims
>>70604170
I'd rather stay in my country and promote fascism. I'm a national socialist myself.
>>70602502
If you survive white upper middle class public school you will have heard all the insults, and it makes you stronger and you conform and you will develop a sense of humor or you will perish.
Most people survive the hazing ritual, though some better than others.
I did a constitution class and there were plenty of of asians, indians and a few muslims (of varying degrees of seriousness) They were all cool, except for Nihat, who wasn't nearly as funny as he thought he was, was unpleasant look at, and was a creepy overly sex-crazed horn dog. He wasn't a very serious muslim though.
Anyway, point being America is awesome and the melting pot works for most people but really at this point we should just stop ALL immigration, it's hard enough as it is for they people who are already here. There is no reason to allow immigrants, there's enough ppl in this country now
>>70602502
American muslims aren't any better than European ones.
They both do the same song and dance, pretending to be one of us while destroying our society.
>>70603715
she moved to NY. I actually cut communication with her when I found out she was buddying up with my dad and I didn't need that shit
>>70603530
he's in turkey or something
>>70602502
because we don't have enough of them
>>70602502
It costs money to move to the US, meaning you're going to get the more educated ones.
For example, Nigerians in the united states can always be seen with a bluetooth and nice clothing. They apparently believe bluetooths make them look successful. Those sterotypes will never be encountered in europe because you don't get the wealthier people.
Because there are millions of Americans who have the urge to shoot them if they get out of line.
>>70603316
Christian women in the West used to wear headscarves until the mid-20th century.
try making your big cities 40% muslim and see if you still think they're alright people. you'll wish for a muslim holocaust each time you go to bed. and wake up disappointed.
>>70603597
>>70602502
Ugh. Guns. The answer is always Guns.
>>70603932
Get killed.
>>70604990
That's not it.
You forget that we're Americans too.
Several reasons.
-They are less of the population percentage wise than most European countries, and the US is huge geographically so populations tend to be more spread out. This prevents the problem seen in European countries where you have Muslim dominated ghettos that provide a breeding ground for radicalism.
-The US is separated from Eurasia by huge oceans, so it's considerably more difficult to get to North America than it is to reach Europe. This means the Muslims that do manage to come here are generally wealthier, educated, and overall tend to be more well off than those who walk into Europe with nothing but the shirt on their backs. All of this means that American Muslims tend to belong to parts of society that make less susceptible to extremism.
-One of the cornerstones of US history is taking in groups of immigrants and melding them into honorary Americans. The US has considerably more experience at doing this than most European countries which remained largely homogeneous until relatively recently. The idea of the "melting pot", that you can mix and match aspects of cultures as you see fit, remains alive and well even today. Contrast this again with European countries, where their societies' ideas of being "European" often means immigrants have to completely discard their former cultures.
If you want to be extra cynical, you could also say:
-Fear. Since 9/11, many US Muslims are probably deathly afraid of the rest of the population turning on them, and so put in an extra amount of effort to not stand out or seem foreign or threatening.
>>70603769
What about her?
>>70602502
Cause their number here is less than 1% last time I checked. Now if that number was say... 10%, we'd be fucked like Europe.
>>70605230
Is the answer: we don't tolerate Europe levels of bullshit so be cool?
They arent cool, they know we are armed.
>>70602502
to be honest man i kind of empathize with the muslim women. it must be hard on them you know, their guys being that crazy and systematically marginalizing women and they threaten them with religion and violence if they dont obey. it's not like the asians or black girls who can hope they can land a white guy and live happily ever after somewhere. the muslim girls are so afraid of being disowned by their families or being honor killed, they can;t even date men or even considering the other race is not even an option their parents would murder them. it's lkike their family is a social and systematic structure to have them tied down to this weird and oppressive way of hijab wearing and zealotry. they kind of laugh about it like this girl here, but in the end of the day, come on. they must be so uncomfortable.
>>70605388
Pretty much all of the brothers I know want nothing more than to live their lives, go to college take care of their families, etc.
The masjid I go to is mainly populated by semi-wealthy doctors from Pakistan. They sure as hell don't want to stir the pot any.
Because the US is the one country in the world that can assimilate immigrants.
Muslims in the US have the highest education rate of any religious group, second only to jews, and commit crime at a lower rate than most ethnic groups.
Meanwhile in Europe they are destroying the continent in under a generation, absolute rapefest.
>>70605271
All good points, with a caveat, if I may; it's not that melting pots naturally work, more that certain shared values are crucial for multiculturalism to work. The American Dream is a powerful idea, but it too is vulnerable to growing ghettoisation.
>>70605701
pic kinda related, an american woman who can wear whatever the fuck she wants.
>>70602502
they were the ones smart enough to get out of the middle east decades ago while Europe is getting the trash
>>70602502
Because American muslims are black people who wear tuxedos and believe science fiction is real.
>>70603583
Feel free to kill yourself irl in real life for thinking anything about Islam is better than traditional Western values
Maybe SJWs make people want to look elsewhere but Islam is definitely not somewhere to look
>>70605784
The ghetto is already in full effect. We all stick to our own culture groups. Human nature, that leftists dont seem to understand. We may live in the same cities and towns, that doesnt mean we talk to each other.
No one wants them here.
>>70602502
they're better at taqiya
>oh she's so nice
>wow so energetic and social
>OMG SHE'S POURING GASOLINE ON MY CHILDREN SAAAAVE MEEEE AAAAAUGHH GODD!!
don't
be
tricked
>>70606036
>those beanpie slingers
>real muslims
>>70602502
Because after 9/11, we've had them on a choke collar. They know that if they pull any of the shit that goes on in Europe, their whole family is going to end up hanging from a tree or buttfucked in Guantanamo.
>>70606073
Communist Jew detected. Why don't you kys?
>>70603141
>because you have so few
Are you for real ????
Number of American Muslims 7 million..
Whole Population of Denmark 6 million..
>>70606207
Right, while the Jew is raping you day and night BUT god forbid if those pesky muslims do anything..
Fucking Blacks, Hispanics and poor white guys are doing most of the street fuckery.
>>70602502
Its quite easy.
> 1.
There are so few of them they cant live in their "islamic surroundings", which they can in Europe where some cities are 20-40 % muslim.
> 2.
And most importantly, Europe gets the low educated shits who seek welfare and ways to abuse their hosts. In the US its not really possible to live on welfare, not in the same way as one can do in Europe. So those who are ambitious and educated go to the US, we get the scrubs.
> 3.
America together with Israel is the big enemy in the muslim world, so if a muslim goes to the US to live there you can be sure he's probably pretty positive towards western culture and not a fanatic muslim.
They say our immigrant muslims flee from extreme islamic oppression and that they just want to be free, the reality is more often that they just come here for money and safety from bullets - and many of them retain retarded muslim cultural values.
The only ethnic group we have that I can think of that actually fled islamic oppression are the Persians. They are the only ones who are noticeably more secular and better educated than other middle easterners in our country - and thats because we got the persian academic middle class who didnt like the Ayatollah shit after the revolution.
>>70606593
>Fucking Blacks, Hispanics and poor white guys are doing most of the street fuckery.
They are, but that doesn't mean we're going to tolerate a bunch of dune coons killing people in the name of their pedophile prophet.
Becuz guns
>>70602502
Just like in every decently sized country it's hard to say that everyone acts as X.
There are muslims who have grown up in America and have learned to grow a backbone and not take things personal such as when someone wishes them a Merry Christmas or such.
And then of course on the other end of the spectrum there are those muslims who wish to force their religion on everyone and they are regarded in the same way that christian zealots are.
And of course there are some people who think it's trendy to blow themselves to shit because some person in the middle of assfuck nowhere said so.
they're not. they've tried to do shootings in several states, and succeeded a few times.
in fact 15 years ago they managed to kill thousands in new york.
>>70602502
Anerican Muslims are doctors, layers engineers, CEO's etc while Muslims in Europoop are welfare leeches, thugs, rapists and so on
Maybe it's the place they're living in that makes them what they are, not their religion. God bless America
>>70603392
looks like normal americans to me.
i see Chad, Tyrone, Paco, and Chang doin the exact same shit.
>>70605784
I would tend to agree but I didn't want it to come off as if I was saying "America is special" more than I already was.
When it comes to integrating into American society it really comes down to what you can contribute to it IMO. Even something as simple as having a type of food that our corporations can run with and market until it becomes the next big thing can be enough.
When it comes to Muslims people might hate seeing headscareves or something but say you use an American flag as a headscarf and suddenly it becomes "USAUSA#1 Honorary American :DDDD". Silly, but it works so w/e.
More likely to integrate. Less likely to form enclaves / ghettos.
They're still mostly shit tier, because >MUZZIES but whatever.
>>70606796
Neither do they tolerate that kinda of stuff, the vast majority are either business owners, in medical and so on, you will rarely find any muslims living in ghettos and fucking up the area.
The ones in Europe I don't know what happened to them but I do blame both the muslims for not assimilating and the liberals giving them a free pass in the form of welfare.
Europe is closer to the kebab countries meaning that they have stronger ties to the assbackwards shitholes they came from.
Fuck, most of them are from assbackwards shitholes in the assbackwards shitholes they came from where they still sacrifice goats and shit.
>>70606640
this nigger is right. its the same here in germany except we have millions of mostly uneducated turks. more than half of them have no chance of ever getting a well paid job.
PS
it's also harder to get to the USA from North Africa than it is to get to Europe from North Africa.
>>70602502
Why are European mexican cool for the most part while American ones arent?
>>70607260
Imo its not about islam, we have lots of christian arabs here as well and they are more or less the same shite - aggressive, painfully macho, violent, corrupt.
We have a city thats 40-50 % christian arab and they have had heavy issues with crime, gangs, shootings, murders. Just recently there were headline stories about how their assyrian orthodox church has been scamming the state for money.
And also how regular people have been scamming the state (or the municipality) for money by one of them pretending to be a retard = the family members get paid money for that individuals care because vegetables need 24/7 care.
I honestly believe its their culture to some extent, but I also believe they are a bit less intelligent and have a bit more testosterone (on average), regardless of religion.
America practices assimilation
Western Europe practices multiculturalism
>>70606083
>No one wants them here.
How do you know this if you only stick to your own groups as you say? You live in a bubble.
>>70606990
>in fact 15 years ago they managed to kill thousands in new york.
Who is "they"? You realize all of the 9/11 hijackers were foreigners, yes? They weren't even immigrants, they came into the country as tourists.
>>70607657
Thats because there is no "american" ethnicity. America is and has always been made up of people from all over the world.
Europe is A LOT more homogeneous - nation states, and is still at the very least 90 % white.
To you I guess an armenian born in the US is American, to us he is a second generation immigrant and a citizen - but not a Swede.
>>70607814
yet muslims conform to our rules/regulations
what the fuck are your cuck leaders doing?
American culture is overwhelming and erodes their barbaric bullshit over time.
Europeans hate themselves and turn their countries into Sharia shitholes so the muslims there don't have to change.
>>70607814
The more I think about it the more I find that this really is the defining issue. Anyone can be American if they try hard enough, or so they are told. But it isn't the same for Europe. Even if they behave and integrate well, it won't change that they weren't born there and their appearance still marks them as a foreigner, therefore they can't ever be truly European.
>>70607962
See this;
>>70606640
>>70602502
>dem braces
>dat beautiful smiling face
>dat nice looking hijab
Is it just me, or is anybody else getting a massive boner looking at this picture? I didn't even ask for this boner. All my brain can do is think about her giving a blowjob to my infidel member...
Make Islam illegal
>>70606589
> I don't know about percentages and just look at the number like a liberalarts fag
>>70603392
>hollister shirt
I could take that punk bitch
Because American Muslims are in fewer numbers and know that its a stupid idea to force radical beliefs in a country where 9/11 happened.
>>70602502
Barring our recent efforts to take refugees, we actually have a pretty solid barrier-to-entry from that part of the world. Immigrants from the middle east and North Africa are real economic migrants (no free shit, you can't cobble together a raft and cross the atlantic) and they must pass some sort of background check.
>>70602502
If you want a non meme explanation. European Muslims are generally the result of Salafist Saudis spreading their mosques and ideology in Europe. European mosques are generally run by a radical branch of salafists that teach isolationism and contempt of non-salafists, they're generally more radical than the muslim preachers in the Middle East. So they're making slums in Europe but not in the USA or Australia.
Muslims generally integrated into the USA fairly well. They're actually better educated (more ambitious) than the average American. And these stats include the incredibly high conversion into Islam in the prison population (20% of the prison population is now muslim)
>>70605710
I would have nothing against Muslims if they would denounce Mohammads teachings. Everything else really doesn't bother me, but Islam is in desperate need of reformation.
>>70602502
Their parents. Immigrant parents are some of the most strict and respectable parents. They have given their blood sweat and tears to give their kid a better life.
>>70604148
>What shape?
whatever goddamn one we want you to be scum.
>>70602502
Assimilation
Still Islam can go fuck itself
DEUS VULT TB.H PHAM
>>70610694
They kind of already do cherry pick what they teach. Muhammad was a pacifist before he was exiled from Mecca so they focus on this part of his life. Jihad is interpreted by most muslim sects (particularly the older ones) as a struggle against your inner evil. Muhammad wrote the more violent verses later on in his life during his war with the polytheists and most Islamic sects disregard these verses as having a context and time and are irrelevant today.
The younger sects like Wahhabi/Salafist and Talib generally include all the more violent and political verses. You'll find a lot of Salafist muslims in UK and Belgium and some other European countries
>>70602502
taqqyia......
it's all fake bro
>>70602502
They have to cross an ocean and if Obuthole doesn't get his way they have to pass a background check.
>>70607619
Islam can be an incredibly difficult religion to follow if you don't understand it properly for whatever reason.
I think a lot of them try to take the easy way out, play the victim (in their minds at least) and go to crime.
A lot of them feel they will lose their identity if they integrate, and people like that - with the best will in the world don't belong in the west.
They make themselves unhappy and all the indigenous people unhappy too.
>>70611005
taqqiya has only been taught between Shiite muslims for the last few centuries, but even then it's not what pol thinks it is.
>>70602502
They're outnumbered and vastly outgunned.
>>70610581
>And these stats include the incredibly high conversion into Islam in the prison population (20% of the prison population is now muslim
Yes, it's indeed an incredibly high rate, because it is in fact not true. Blacks convert to Nation of Islam, which is not Islam. Not better by any measure, but let's not pretend classical Islam has any appeal close to making 20% of inmates Muslim.
>>70611486
oh my sides. Americans actually think abundance of guns is what keeps American muslims from being like European muslims.
>>70611651
No they legitimately convert to Islam, it's been this thing to avoid being pressured into homosexual acts and other things related to prison life, and others do it for spiritual reasons.
This article claims 15%
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/spearit/growing-faith-prisons-hip-hop-and-islam_b_2829013.html
>>70611673
>retarded Aussie drongo doesn't think that's a reason why
When's the last time ours went ficki ficki? Never.
>>70611673
It's probably more to do with the more open society and a lack of a welfare state - forcing them to work and mix.
Negatives are the gang culture, Muslim (I'm guessing mostly non white) males could end up there like a lot of other non whites do.
>>70602502
Europe is at numerous
US is still at few
>>70611895
Neither do ours. We had one legit crazy man and another 15 year old teenager. No slums and fairly well integrated. I went through Auburn (a significantly large muslim district) and girls were wearing hijabs while showing cleavage in low cut blouses. There's a weird sort of mixing of cultures.
And we have extremely strict gun laws.
The issue is about the types of muslims Europe has compared to the US and Australia. The types of mosques, preachers, and ideology. As well as from where these muslims immigrated from, because Islamic culture changes between regions.
>>70602502
American Muslims here have been living for a long time, but most of the European Muslims are refugees that are used to being in predominantly muslim countries and practices.
>>70612015
That's not what taqqiya is you clown, and it hasn't been taught by Sunni scholars since Reconquista. Most Sunnis won't even have heard of taqqiya before.
>>70602502
Because American muslims are usually wealthy, educated immigrants.
Its their children that are the problem.
>Males are often beta cuck neets who can't find a job, and become radicalized on the web
>women become entitled educated feminist cunts or insufferable wives
>>70612230
>Males are often beta cuck neets who can't find a job, and become radicalized on the web
that's basically pol
>>70612015
>When they outnumber you: Islam or else
Yazidis and Christians in Syria had been outnumbered for at least 1000 years and left to their own devices.
I suppose all those Muslims got it wrong all along and these newcomers know better?
>>70612287
Nice projection, kiddo.
>>70612096
I'm not saying you're all wrong but you definitely aren't all right.
We've been taking refugees for years. They are the same shit tier type people Europe has been getting.
Take a cab in my city and they're all north African refugees of some stripe.
Which means they're just like the ones in Europe. So you're wrong.
I know the meme America is hard to immigrate to and that means a lot of our legal immigrants are great but not all of them.
I've actually spoken to several of them about it and they said they believe our gun culture is what prevents MORE terrorists attacks from happening than already do.
I can take your ill informed view of it, or what I got straight from the horse's turban.
>>70602846
>What is Nation of Islam?
A religion that has very little to do with Islam.
Nation of Islam believes that Wallace Fard Muhammad was Allah. Muslims don't
Nation of Islam believes that white people was created by Yakub (the biblical Jacob) which contradicts muslim belief.
Nation of Islam has "temples", Islam has mosques.
Nation of Islam has "ministers", Islam has imams.
Nation of Islam sit on benches like in a church, muslims sit on the floor. There is no benches in the mosque except maybe chairs for the old who can not stand in prayer.
Nation of Islam pray like christians on their knees, muslims pray with the face to the ground.
Nation of Islam and Islam is about as similar to eachother as Voodoo and the Catolic Church.
>>70612307
Exactly. lots of preIslamic religions survived until modern day. Middle East was still only <70% muslim at the start of the 20th century While absolutely nothing but Christianity survived in Europe.
>>70612343
>I know you are you said you are so what am I
>>70603570
>this guy killed 5 marines
Good on him, marines are useless if they are not inside armored tanks or use a drone or something.
>>70612361
Except we have strict gun laws and also have no problems, so explain that hole in your argument
>>70603583
you're fucking gross m8
>>70611791
that's a huffington post blog, mate, claiming some esoteric link between hiphop and the spread of islam, while pretending not to even know anout the NoI. it even brings up Malcolm X as an example of noted Muslim but his activity corresponds to his NoI years; he did nothing noteworthy after converting to Sunni Islam, so the suspicion holds that when huffpo says Islam it does not differentiate. but: wiki says one percent of america is muslim, so how come they make up 20% of the prison population? the best explanation is that these are prediminantly black and their Islam is some black Islam, most likely NoI.
>>70602502
I'm not going to lie, there are a few arab girls who i'd love to give my white seed and breed with them.
>>70602502
Because there aren't enough of them in the US.
It's called taqiyya. American muslims are just as evil as the European muslims and once they reach 5% of the population they will start to cause a lot more problems.
Muslims hide their true feelings when they are in extreme minorities. Their entire religion is built around deception and long-term strategems for domination.
>>70602502
Who has the Polish girl picture with a pig's head on a stick?
>>70602502
Because " Taqiyya" you cuck.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx
>>70606073
Traditional Western values? From the 50s or the 60s?
>>70612343
nice refutation
>>70612545
Australia I'm going to run guns to all your Abbos and encourage them to murder every anti-gun, gun-grabbing assholes on your island.
>>70612583
The same goes for Islam in Europe though, it's more of a native brand that has little connection to Islam in the Middle East even if they share some common values. But their preachers are generally domestic grown and didn't come from an authority in the Middle East. The only connection is that Saudis funded the construction of their mosques.
Nation of Islam is still Islam, it's just an American brand of it. It's very common in Islam to have a brand that is mixed with native culture. Sufi Islam is the most common for this.
>>70603316
This right here famalam
>>70612545
What hole? Your country takes 12,000 refugees a year and with an intense vetting process and not all or even most are Muslim.
>>70612469
>lots of preislamic religions survived in Islamic lands
Abrahamic or otherwise monotheistic/book-centered/approved by Muhammad religions survived only. Europe had only one of those, Judaism, and guess what, Judaism survived in Europe. IOW Muslims had by accident more compatible religions they could fail to exterminate.
Now: where are the polytheistic religions of the Middle East? Same place as the European ones, right?
This is not the normal Muslim discussion on pol.
Please stop attempting to dismantle my hate for Muslims you fucks.
>>70612651
Taqqiya hasn't been taught by Sunni scholars for centuries, it's pretty much only a Shiite thing these days. Even then the Shiites have a pretty strict definition of it
1) use it to save your life.
2) white lies are ok if it keeps harmony between people (lower risks of violence)
>>70612690
Taqqiya hasn't been taught by Sunni scholars for centuries. Most Sunnis would never even have heard of it before.
thereligionofpeace is essentially meme website because they cherry pick everything for their own interpretation. I think it's pretty important to include the fact that Sunni scholars haven't given Taqqiya much weight since Reconquista, don;t you think?
>>70612795
There were still hundreds of thousands of polytheist relgious in the MIddle East up until 30-40 years ago. Famously the Marsh Arabs of Iraq practiced their religion from preIslam and the Yezidis up north of Iraq.
>>70603562
Cool clock, Ahmed.
-Obongo
>>70612795
Actual evidence proves you wrong
Because they know 90% of America hates them and would kick their asses if they got out of line.
>>70612734
Unfortunately it's not so easy: Saudis do finance the training of preachers so the west has quite a number of those fanatics, certainly more than it would be healthy.
as for NoI being Islam, well, I would agree somewhat because belief in a single god and asserting the importance of the Quran wrt said god is what I call Islam. But scholars of classic Islamic branches say a Muslim is someone who keeps the five pillars, and NoI certainly does not kerp all of them, only three daily prayers, no Ramadan fast, Hajj is optional etc.
>>70613240
>being this delusional
America had about 200k homicides since 9/11. Gangs don't give a fuck so pretty sure islamic extremists won't either. After all, they fucking kill themselves in suicide bombings.
>>70613079
yezidis are monotheists as much as Faher/Son/Holy Spirit/powerful Satan-believing Christians are. As for polytheistic faiths surviving among the marsh Arabs, do you have a source?
>>70612835
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>>70602502
The looming threat of genocide. You'll find that people are a lot less willing to share their retarded opinions when you let them know you won't be bothered to take their shit.
For instance, I'm a cop. I'm friendly with my fellow cops and we like to have lunch together, but outside of work I don't really kick it with them so I don't know them too well. Politics comes up, and a fellow spic cop says that Trump supporters need to be shot at his rallies. I told him I was a Trump supporter, and if he'd like we could reenact the scene with Han and Greedo in the beginning of Star Wars Episode 4 and work out who plays who on the fly. He shut the fuck up.
I spent the rest of lunch explaining why mass third world immigration was going to be one of the most pressing issues of the 21st century, and why we might not necessarily have to send his US citizen family back, but we have to keep his 4th cousins the fuck out.
>>70613280
Using that argument you could say Quakers or Anabaptists aren't real Christians because they don't observe the core traditions of the Catholics.
Islam is more open to innovation than people realise. There is a pretty wide gap between the sects of Islam
>>70613169
Bullshit, and you know it. Even Christianity is forbidden - de facto if not de iure - in truly Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia or ISIL.
>>70610912
>Jihad is interpreted by most muslim sects (particularly the older ones) as a struggle against your inner evil.
This is complete bullshit that was invented by the muslim brotherhood and has zero scriptutal basis.
>>70613405
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_Arabs
just look at the wiki, they were doing ok until Saddam fucked over their environment.
>>70613315
Those gangs don't like them either. Hispanics, which make up a huge chunk of this country, are catholic, and hate Muslims. Shit, they hate everybody.
That's a slight benefit of not being a completely white nation. The non-whites will still hate your enemies as well.
>>70613482
No, I can only say that they aren't Catholics, which they indeed aren't.
But this is a misrepresentation anyway. I said Islamic scholars claim NoI is not Islamic; I'm perfectly okay to group them with my other enemies believing ancient middle-eastern bullshit.
>>70613548
look up greater jihad and lesser jihad.
A lot of the concepts in Islam have little to no scriptural beliefs. Everyone is commenting about Taqqiya but that was an innovation introduced in the 9th century using a single verse in the Quran
>>70613662
Salafists claim Shiites are non-muslim too. It's a 'no true scotsman' fallacy.
>>70602502
>5% we are kawaii
>25% we wuz minority better recognize fool
>40% sharia up in this bitch
>50%> kill all infidels
>>70613702
I know about greater and lesser jihad, and I am saying there is no such thing as greater jihad. The muslim brotherhood made it up to trick gullible dhimmis.
>>70613548
Yes, Saudi Arabia is the equivalent of the Vatican (should just be the holy bits but there you go, I don't make the rules) and a very closed place generally. I wouldn't expect non Christians in the Vatican and have no problem with that Church policy.
As I said, Non muslims lived there fine for over a millenium, so why do you think ISIL have got it right and everyone else was wrong?
>>70613780
so how does that explain Tunisia voting in a secular government. Or Azerbaijan remaining largely secular
>>70613079
Yeah the Marsh Arabs also revered Biblical figures which would loosely let them fall under the jurisdiction of "people of the book" so they got the privilege of living and paying the jizya.
Fuck off. Post a time stamped picture of your hand Mohommad.
>>70613554
I just knew. They are mostly shiites, a few mandaeans. Mandaeans are Abrahamic, it's an early splinter group of what was to become Christianity, substituting John the Baptist for Jesus (as indeed his story is the literary pre-image of that of Jesus).
No, I mean animist religions with totem poles, Great Spirit of the Forest and an occasional human sacrifice. Not Jewish superstitions under yet another makeup.
>>70602502
Because you don't have enough mudslimes.
As soon as they conform a solid block in society they start forming their ghettos and shit starts getting out of hand.
>>70602502
Weak national identities in Europe versus the US, in fact national identity is seen as evil in Europe and something to be shunned or dismantled.
Thanks EU project.
>>70613749
Well, extremists do that, certainly. But the five pillars requirement - and the complementary ban on looking for more in a man to decide if he's Muslim - although not entirely quranic, still comes from Muhammad himself. But again: I have no issue calling the NoI islamic, it's just that they aren't classical Islam. There's a reason why so many of their important protagonists converted to Sunni Islam later on.
>>70613821
Except the Sufis have endorsed the distinction as real and Hanbali scholars also promote the distinction. Both actually unrelated to MB
>>70613873
>waaaah he doesn't want to kill all muslims
>>70614161
All share the common goal of subjugating the infidels. Cut the bullshit, Abdullah.
>European Muslims
Balkan Muslims are mostly "cool". Still don't trust them though.
Tatars in Russia are best.
>>70614207
Face it. You're a shitskin Muzzie doing mental backflips to try and cover for your fellow shitskins instead of just admitting they're useless inbred fuckheads following a pedophile warlord from 2000 years ago.
>>70613859
That only happens in the examples where muslims are absolute majority so they self proclaim secularism. Others are just going along with it because of fear.
This country is that kind of example of "secular islam" once we go over 50% in next decade we go jihad style.
>>70614243
also not true. Sufis are more common to practise a non-political brand of Islam that they believe is confined to the mosque.
Switch off your cable tv and read some books, burger
>>70602502
Most american muslims grew up in america. America is, generally, cool. This cruz shit notwithstanding.
>>70602502
European countries are rooted in memes about nations, blood/soil, the state as an extension of the nation. America isn't a nation-state its just a state. these people fit in America because they can have an American identity through patriotism, commerce, pursuit of happiness and the various brands of identity politics big business and the left has memed into existence.
>>70612835
Taqiyya about taqiyya aka metataqiyya.
Fuck off Abdul, nobody is falling for it any more.
>>70614470
Nah, I'm just not lazy enough to learned everything I know from an imageboard and actually went out and read some books on Islamic history and current radicalization. I know being American, this concept might seem revolutionary to you
>>70606589
a fucking meatball
>>70614588
I've read far more books in my life than you likely ever will if you live to be 100 and I died tomorrow.
You're just young and idealistic, I can forgive that.
I also suspect you're a shitskin since you won't post time stamped hand. That means you're being deceptive and for that you can fuck yourself.
>>70614470
your argument is basically "you did it. you did it you did it. you're guilty, admit it" without providing any evidence.
not a lot one can say to that really.
>>70614587
>grrr I'm stumped
>oh wait I have the ace up my sleeve
>making my wall of delusions impenetrable!
"taqqyiyah!!!!"
>>70602502
One word: Guns
>>70614476
What jihad style?
I'm not saying there aren't loons but you're lying if you're implying majority of them are Islamist in any way.
They are far more "religious" here, and 95% of those religious types are fake religious, just like most of Christians here.
>>70614747
Mate the dumb shit you've stated already makes it so obvious you've only read internet sourced material
"I can forgive that"
with this narcissism you sound like you're from fucking reddit.
I'm not going to go through the effort of timestamping my hand, I just don't care enough, I'm happy just to chat
>>70614498
How about you find me anything in the quran, hadith, or sira justifying this "greater jihad" meme?
>>70614790
You push your faggot islamists here that get combined with local faggot islamists. What do you think is going to happen. Fucking limp wristed kebab removers my ass, they are in territories between you and fucking serbia for centuries and you can't remove them already but instead you gave them right to identify as Bosniak.
Top fucking kek when you get suicide akbars in 10 years. I just hope i will be out by then, subhuman niggers of Balkans, sigh.
>>70602502
>Implying terrorists aren't govt puppets
No significant terrorist attack since highly scrutinized 9/11 yet we scream the loudest about Muslims and terrorists
>>70614924
As I said before, there's a lot of stuff in Islam that has little to no scriptural basis.
Look up Jihad on wiki. The Sufi's recognise Greater Jihad as a real distinction. Ayatollah Khomeini wrote a treatise on it.
The whole thing is sourced and shows Jihad is a complicated thing
>>70615020
I'm not loving then in political sense, I'm just saying they aren't as Islamist as you say.
>>70614788
Thanks Action Branson.
Terrorists blow up things and/or themselves. Guns are useless
>>70602502
Being friends with a muslim can be a fun and rewarding experience for you both. Be careful though, one day your muslim will try to kill you.
>>70614750
Except the completely rational thing to say;
>No, that's incorrect. Here let me correct you.
>timestampedhand.jpg
>>70614885
>effort
Yeah writing on a piece of paper and taking a picture with your phone is so hard. Muzzie work ethic everyone. Also lol your projecting reddit.
I didn't read internet sourced material you fucking dimwit. I read the Korean (admittedly in English) and I started reading the hadith but I just couldn't power through. It was too boring.
>>70615252
So, in other words there is no truth to the concept at all, and you can present absolutely zero proofs of your claim. Maybe you should talk to your brothers and tell them that your better suited for blowing yourself up in a shopping mall than this arguing on the internet business.
Fuck muslims
>>70615582
well there's your problem. The Quran and hadith requires context because scholars have totally different interpretations of what it all means and how it is applied to Islam. I bought a quran with context applied to the verses and it changes a lot of it, but it's still not enough I don't think
>>70602502
go to that muslim town in michigan and tell us how nice they are in their natural habitat
>>70615794
No I just said there are Islamic sects that make the distinction. Just because you say there's no scriptural basis doesn't mean the Muslims aren't going to introduce innovations to make them exist. You're a retard that went into this with your own predisposed outcome, that's all. You can get away with this bullshit on an imageboard but don't fool yourself that you actually did anything correctly.
LMAO! Nice meme. Wait for them to be 15-20% of the population. That's where the real fun starts.
>>70602846
>What is Nation of Islam?
Scientology for niggers
>>70605710
Gonna find you and gonna kill your brothers.
We got guns in America for terrorists fucks like you mudslime
>>70614768
Sounds like you're mad that the gameplan isn't working any more, muzzie.
your muslims come from the middle east and ours come from shithole called maghreb
>>70615967
That's one of the many things I hate about Islam. All this "requires interpretation" bullshit.
I believe it was Lao Tzu said you could measure how well some taught their students by how factionalized they become after the master's death.
Islam fails that test hard which means your "perfect Muslim" was a fucking shitty teacher and therefor a complete charlatan.
>>70616055
Okay, my apologies, obviously my strict criteria of the quran, sira, or ANY HADITH WHATSOEVER was to strict. Can you find any historical source talking about "greater jihad"?
>>70602502
because you like everyone on /pol/ think anecdotal evidence is worth something
>>70603392
THIS is exactly the same kind of human filth we got here. The eternal subhuman. The stupidity, the manlet weakling who thinks he is kingz and only attacks you in horde mode, but will readily beat you to death with his 30 brothers. Back to the middle east with them!
>>70602502
They are just as retarded as the middle eastern ones, and there is no such thing as european muslim, they are just migrant shits. San Bernedito is a proof of how fucked up US muslims are, and the town where they are now majority and turned into a shithole, or the somali rape gangs in minesota. Muslims need to be exterminated, along with the jews that brought them to kill whitey.
>>70606589
>315 million americans
>>70616864
I loathe them but luckily am no where near them. I did notice back in the capital there's a few hilariously titled "Islamic cultural centers."
Yeah if things start popping off I'll know where to direct the drone strikes.
>>70616464
go to the fucking wiki. it's in there with sources
>>70616434
you should consider using that gun on yourself
>>70617319
K
muslims in europe used to be based.
Citizens with a good work ethic, conservative values and a happy outlook on life. It went from worse to shit to hell over 3 generations as the numbers increased and the lack of national identity led them to embrace radical islam.
The more there are, the more ghettos develop and the more the faith becomes accepted (see public resistance to muslim idiosyncrasies from the 90's to now), the more 'faithful' read: radical your population will become.
The same faith will await the US. You will see
>>70617439
do you know what cherry picking is?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_of_Islamic_scholars_on_Jihad
Oh wow a variety of definitions oh no the bubble you made is popping ayyyy
they're really not but they would get shot for pulling the shit they do in europe here
>>70602502
Because they havent reached a saturation point where they can be allah ackbars yet. Plus they are cunts. Go to any muslim heavy city in the US and they will harass street preachers and women who wear slutty outfits. It's not a EU unique thing. It's just that the US doesn't have them in every area in a significant amount yet.
>>70602502
People in the US don't seem to believe that telling Muslims not to practice their dark-age shariah law is the same as turning the US into Nazi Germany
>>70602502
>Why are American muslims cool for the most part while european ones arent?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLKarYXjG4c
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_San_Bernardino_attack
Just fucking kill them all, other "muslims" are not even going to blink. They are scum of the earth and a real scourge that needs to be removed.
>>70617494
>muslims in europe used to be based.
What are you even talking about?
>>70615293
They all are. I am enjoying this current state, finally Balkans will deserve what is coming to it and rest of the Europe will be dragged down the drain. We will be the spark again. It is our destiny.
>>70617646
>do you know what cherry picking is?
Yes I do. Then I look at what regions of the world are shitholes, and what their religions are. Funny how that works like that.
I don't have acid attacks in my shit hole of a country.
