people on the left think that mainstream politics are stuck in the center-right with neo-liberal parties of both sides ruling with little contest.
people on the right think society extremely left-wing socialist degenerate with everyone fucking everyone behind their backs.
How can these two sides have such different views on reality?
>people on the left
don't exist anymore, friend
Because right views are generally held in objective reality while left views are held with subjective emotional reality. The left believes his views, however subjective, are the right views.
>>70590936
Nobody is this stupid anon. Please, you are making me sad for humanity.
>>70591046
He's kind of right. There are literally genetic differences that predispose people towards lefty or right wing views. Liberals, for example, have a lessened sense of disgust in general, which makes them more able to tolerate the perversity they espouse. It's just obvious that right wing world views allow a person to actually survive in a competitive world better, making their personal subjective view of reality arguably more correct.
>>70591387
Oh anon, no. Please. At least have some respect for science.
>>70591580
I don't know what you're getting at, probably something stupid. Feel free to make an actual comment if you'd like.
Both sides are grounded in emotionalism and whatever appeals to the person's center of self, not in truth or objective reality. The right wing minded tend to be individualistic, preferring strength, competence, capability, and Donald Trump speaks to that, and the response to him isn't because he's reasonable, rational or right, but because he speaks of greatness. The left wing minded are thwarted in that belief, and it manifests as a spiteful desire to retaliate against anything seen as strength, competence, capability, with unfairness, racist, misogynistic the preferred calumny leveled against them. Neither side, though, is anywhere close to based in reality. They're borderline religious fantastics, both sides, only the left wing are pathetic on top of it.
>>70592421
How do we address it, anon? It seems no-one is calmly rational these days.
>>70590614
Pretty accurate observation in my experience anon
>>70590688
I can't be the only right-winger that has some nostalgia and respect for the old-school left, can I?
>>70592421
This.
>>70591387
Liberals cry after watching Schindler list. Right wingers made Schindler's list reality. Obviously Liberals have more than minimum healthy level of disgust in their psyche.
>>70592800
Nobody ever was, that's why they killed Socrates. You'll recognize when you can change things with logic and rational discourse, but ninety percent of the time, people aren't logical or rational, and if they think they are they probably still aren't. Humans are inherently imperfect creatures that are totally incapable of objectively seeing reality as it actually is. It's a worthy goal to try, but if persuading humans is your goal, go for the reptile part of the brain. That actually gets things done.
>>70593151
Weeping isn't a reaction to disgust. What they're feeling is empathy. Murderous rage is the reaction to disgust.
>>70592800
A completely rational world order would be one where everyone has killed themselves because rationally speaking life is pointless. Rationality is overrated, and it also doesn't exist. It's an abstraction that would re-orient human beings to behave like machines, with a programmed correct response to every situation, and we're find it totally lacking and miserable because we are fundamentally emotional creatures. People are dipshits. I'm a dipshit. You're a dipshit. Unless there's a God or at least some teleology to human existence, which there probably isn't, we're a massively fucked up species whose nature it is to defy our own instincts and teeter closer and closer to causing our own annihilation while we pretend we're enlightened. It's okay, though, because I can still enjoy things through my personal subjectivity, and that's all anyone needs, with primarily the emotionally disturbed giving a shit about politics.
>>70590936
>>70591387
>those godless degenerate lefties just don't know anything about the real world because they've never held a job!
>>70591580
>>70591046
>oh honey, no, just no. like, just wow.
the american political spectrum summed up
>>70593327
I accept that human nature is inherently irrational anon, I meant more that people have less of a filter than ever. I think the jump to emotion and the quickness to anger is amplified by social media, because motherfuckers can't wait to snap a pic or post something to garner attention or sympathy or praise.
>>70593924
The reactionaries can conjure an image of an idealised past where the righteous ruled, and people were governed by sense, order and justice, but that's an emotional appeal to a different orientation of a person with a different emotional and mental composition. I find the behaviour of people on social media distasteful, but I enjoy my distaste and disgust, quite frankly, and I enjoy the condemnation I pour out. It's the natural outpouring of who I am. Things, though, weren't ever any better, and people have always been dogshit. The idea that there was once an idyllic time when the fair maiden, with her blond tresses playfully blowing in the wind, promising always to be true to me as we plan our future existence by the life-enhancing river, and we'll read to each other and discourse on beauty, meaning, truth is a fairytale. People have always been dipshit -- even the purported elite were shitheads through and through. Just find the things you enjoy and enjoy them. Politics is meant for shitposting and memes.
>>70595469
That's not entirely accurate. We are definitely at the ass end of a civilizations lifetime. We're eastern Rome and europe is western Rome, if you like. It's just it's nothing new. This isn't an age of ignorance and degeneracy unseen by mankind before, but we are far from our best collectively.
>>70596044
I was writing a response to anon but you summed it up better than I was.
I blame feminism and weak men, personally.
>>70596044
I don't believe things exist as recurrent themes like that, and I think the tendency to abstract meaning that way is an aberration of human pattern recognition. It appears to hinge upon a metaphysic. Human behaviour remains the same, I agree, and it repeats, but as situation and circumstance change, the responses change and the cycle is broken. The analogies appear like glib resemblances. I admit I haven't read Spengler, however, and he could potentially convince me.
>>70593924
>>70596341
Sure. One thing that I think is objective if anything is is that humans need something higher than themselves. At this time, nobody cares about God, nation, or in many cases family. The social media is their god, selfies their offering and likes and retweets their sacrament. Even sociopathic narcissists construct a perfect super human mental construct of themselves to worship.
>>70597296
It's fascinating to see anon. What's your prediction for the next few years? Your thoughts on the decline?
>>70596669
Setting aside that I think cycles are built into the fabric of the universe, we agree that human behavior basically doesn't change, only situation and circumstance do. That said, situation and circumstance almost always involve other humans whose behavior also hasn't changed. Arguably all we've achieved all through history is making better technology. We haven't made better, or even different people. You can recognize your favorite stereotypes in ancient histories, plays, stories, and myths. The actors and the setting change, but it's the same basic set of stories.
>>70598304
You underestimate the change technology brings. I've started reading Technics and Civilization by Lewis Mumford, and although Lewis Mumford is a dirty little socialist, he chronicles the extent of the change technology has made upon mankind. There's also something kookier like The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind by Julian Jaynes, which argues the way we think now is a product of the invention of writing. Technology changes people beyond scope and measure, and although I believe human inclinations broadly stay the same, the prism of the highly technology system means something as primordial as man's urge to conquest must first reckon with the genuine possibility of worldwide nuclear destruction, for which there is no analogy in myth, history or play. There also isn't an analogy for shitposting on the Internet. People stay the same, but as we change the situation, we're forced to act different. History is dialectical, not cyclical.
>>70598157
Centralized power is falling apart. The whole big group of zionist bankers and shady power mongers and such that aren't literally in lockstep but work together enough are making a few last desperate pushes towards global digital currency and whatever other schemes you want to believe (and at least some of them push all of them) but Russia and China and a few dissidents and the rich but not powerful know they've gone too far. As a student of history you know any successful revolution is led by these sorts of people, so this should be successful. Hopefully they give up without nukes. Decentralized loosely organized business makes big gains, crowdfunding and free information seriously hamper old business models. Without US assuming absolute dominance over the globe, local businesses take precedence over transnational as military power no longer backs the IMF and such. Chaos and violence probably.
