Why doesn't people like Capitalism and market economy? It's like people don't want opportunities.
Most people do want capitalism, just not the autistic wannabe socialist edge lords you find on /pol/
>>70545184
People love markets.
People hate capitalism.
There IS a difference.
It requires effort from the individual to achieve something in life.
>>70545184
Modern capitalism = large companies and super wealthy people trying to extract as much money as they can from the poor with complete disregard on how it will affect the economy. They have destroyed the middle
Free markets = industriousness and innovation, trying to provide new and useful products to consumers and actually creating wealth.
>>70546104
And a small loan of a million dollars from your father.
>>70545261
How do you explain this?
>>70546364
XDDD got eeem!! Take that Donald DRUMPF
>>70545184
bcuz work is dumb lol make me tendies
>>70546364
If you didn't make it in the US you're probably not gonna to make it anywhere.
These people, and I can GUARANTEE you this, have never read about the basics of economics, read a book about economics, read a history book, or and are poorly educated. Otherwise, those who have a basic understanding yet still endorse socialism/capitalism tend to think in the short term or have poor understanding of the relationship between government regulation and the free market. Or they have moral constraints saying "Oh Joe Shmoe without a job needs a social safety net because it is our responsibility as a society to take care of him", etc.
>>70547388
*Socialism/communism, still drinking my morning coffee, bear with me.
>>70545184
Modern capitalism = Rich get richer
Work is almost obsolete. Thousands of people are basically 0 contributors economically through no fault of their own but simply the advancement of technology and globalism.
>>70547491
Which state do you live in?
>>70547293
US is bottom of the barrel in opportunity when it comes to first world countries.
>>70548150
Washington State. Certainly more liberal then most states, unfortunate considering it's a hub of commerce and technology.
>>70545184
>maybe if I just pull up my boot straps!
>>70548328
Might be the funniest thing I've heard this week. Nobody in America is going to be a millionaire tomorrow but there is far more opportunity in regards to purchasing decisions, available jobs, moving, housing, most things. Obviously there are government barriers that restrict opportunity so varying degrees, but we should be working to get rid of those.
>>70548551
Literally anyone can invest in stocks, bonds, etc.
>>70548382
Is it worth a visit?
A lot of people would literally rather be very lazy, so long as they get enough to get by, rather than work hard and get a lot more.
If all Americans were offered a "living wage" of $30,000 per year for doing nothing, the entire Democratic party would literally stop working the next day. That would be plenty, to their thinking, and it wouldn't be worth putting in any work to make more.
>>70548551
What most people don't really consider when they see these charts is two things.
1. Even the poorest Americans are within the top 3% of the worlds richest people. The most bumfuck poverty street rat is going to have housing, food, a TV, gaming consoles, fridges, clothing, computer, car, etc. Things are really not as terrible as they seem.
2. Even if we were to force redistribution of wealth, we would experience less business creation/innovation, brain drains where the rich leave the country, and more funding in the government treasury which will just lead to a further bloated state that throws money towards welfare and needless wars.
>>70546929
>28.3k tweets, not unique users, out of billions of people, said something on the internet.
>>70548622
You forgot the mention the part where you need to go into debt getting a meme degree so you can compete with immigrants replacing your job.
>>70548770
Watch the whole video, "literally" half of Americans are scrapping by while the upper % walks to their mailbox to collect a check with an amount I'll never make a life time.
>>70549131
Or you could not be a faggot and learn a man's trade instead of going for a white collar fuccboi job and still make 6 figures a year.
>>70548770
Defenitely, beautiful place, very diverse geography. You'll find deserts in the east, forests and swamps in the center, beaches and large urban cities to the west. Lots of mountains and open land. For all the bad policies we have, there are some decent ones to. We have open carry laws and are pretty lax with firearm standards, pot is legal, plenty of businesses to shop in due to fairly low regulations, and other things. Come on down Eurobro.
>>70545184
>Why doesn't people like Capitalism and market economy? It's like people don't want opportunities.
Because people tell them that everything is fiscal policy; capitalism and a market economy. While ignoring monetary policy.
The problems with our current system isn't a fiscal policy it's monetary.
If you only talk about capitalism and a market economy you don't really understand what you are talking about or what really matters.
>>70549131
You do realise that people come from literally nothing, people who doesn't understand the language, with parents who doesn't have higher education and still makes something out of themselves? If the average American begins at 0 they begin at -50. There is plenty of opportunities. People have to build their own infrastructure.
>>70549048
>capital flight
Mostly overblown.
Lets say McDonalds runs away, there'd be small-businesses popping up left and right to fill the vacuum and it'd be better for the job market and wealth distribution since all the money isn't going to a single mega-corp.
>>70548770
>Literally anyone can invest in stocks, bonds, etc.
Never heard of an accredited investor have you?
>>70549131
Or don't get a meme degree and get something that you are either smart to enough to make work in the market so you aren't starving or get a degree the market needs and find a comfortable job that falls into your lap. Sure it's rough but I don't understand why the government has to hold anyones hand, get over it. As far as immigration is concerned all free market conservatives in my camp except the most ardent conservatives are concerned about this as well, we should be prioritizing immigration reform absolutely. I'm voting Trump for a reason.
>>70545184
its a meme. no one wants to discuss facts or anything
its sort of like when you get so comfortable in a situation that you then are able to rationalize doing something so stupid although you never plan on doing it
socialism/communism is the leftist meme, they dont actually want that, but they just like screaming about it
lefists are like teenage girls rebelling against their dad because they cant wear slutty clothes to school
>>70549377
I definitly will.
>>70549702
Doesn't overstride the fact that literally anyone can invest in the stock market.
>>70547388
Socialism works, its pretty neat-o to have a safety net and so on. immigrants and multikulti makes it not work.
>>70549048
>Things are really not as terrible as they seem.
Except most people are content with barely scrapping by and being stressed which causes all sorts of sociological problems like violent crime, see:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0304387815001364
>Even if we were to force redistribution of wealth, we would experience less business creation/innovation,
No you're completely wrong, wealth being redistributed to the ownership class (who contribute to society) from the shrinking middle class. Middle class workers, scientist, engineers, etc. are the ones who are actually doing the creation and innovation you speak of.
>>70549315
Trade school jobs are gradually being replaced by machines.
>>70549626
I have nothing against immigrants, I'm just saying the opportunity is mostly a pipe dream for your average person.
>>70549734
Immigration reform isn't going to do anything when a business can simply move their operations out of the country and offshore their profits in Panama top fucking kek
>>70545184
All you ever need to know.
>>70549678
But there are two concerns there. The first being that I would say it wouldn't just be McDonalds, it would be several business owners affected by a blanketed rise in say income tax or estate tax on the rich, so they leave to a country that supports them like China in droves. We are talking multiple companies here. If American companies are already getting their dick sucked in third world countries for cheap labor and lax standards, who to say they wouldn't move there entirely in droves after said tax went into effect.
My other concern is that although small businesses could fill these needs, it would be nowhere near instant. The market would collapse months before these people scrambled to buy store outlets, amass the capital and supplies needed to actually open the store, and start addressing market concerns. It would be very messy.
I should reiterate this is just capital flight, the other points I brought up are very valid concerns as well.
>>70549978
>Doesn't overstride the fact that literally anyone can invest in the stock market.
While being legally blocked from the most profitable investments. "for their own protection"
>>70550269
i don't get it
>>70550269
>I don't know what socialism is
>>70550175
no one cares if it "works" or not in however you define "works"
WE WANT A SOCIETY THAT IS EFFICIENT AND FREE AND INNOVATIVE AND MAXIMIZES THESE QUALITIES
HOLY FUCK
CAPITALISTIC COUNTRIES ARE THE MOST FREE AND ADVANCED AND PROSPEROUS IN THE WORLD
SHUT THE FUCK UP IDIOT
>>70546929
>resistcapitalism with 28.3k
>nationalunicornday with 20.9k
Those are pretty close numbers. They're also pretty low numbers. They're also pretty retarded ideas.
>>70550226
The point wasn't immigration but the fact that people in way more terrible conditions and starting points can make something out of themselves in a nation like the US.
>>70550424
You have obviously never invested in the stock market to begin with. This is horrendous.
>>70550226
1. You linked a case studies that use mexico as an example, you realize that america is not mexico right?
2. Web developers/paralegals/mechanics/machine operators/drafters/techinications
Unless you can find a machine in the next 40-50 years that can think for itself and repair itself and be able to create idea's I think you'll be fine
3. Just because you're a fucking loser doesn't mean everyone else is
4. What are tarrifes and import fee's for 500 alex
Stop fucking posting
You're obviously retarded
You make my flag look bad
>>70550226
>Immigration reform isn't going to do anything when a business can simply move their operations out of the country and offshore their profits in Panama top fucking kek
>Implying that Trump hasn't been campaigning on bringing businesses back into America while reforming immigration
>>70550465
Spotted the mongoloid.
>>70550572
"Muh Labor"
Your worthless ass should be replaced by a robot as you are gassed.
>>70551099
>posts feelings
>surprised when nobody understands his emotional meltdown
?
>>70550843
>You have obviously never invested in the stock market to begin with. This is horrendous.
The claim was that anyone has equal access to the methods used by the ultra wealthy to do it themselves. This is objectively false.
So rather than admit you were wrong, or ignorant you start to attack the person that pointed out your error.
Further my main point isn't even about investments, it's about monetary policy.
I like how /pol/ shills for their corporate masters like good goys but when hitler says something which would otherwise be seen as socialistic they have no problem with it.
>>70550424
What the fuck are you talking about?
You can literally at any moment at any day buy any stock that's available to trade
You mean a block order?
A block order consists of a specified volume and price for at least three consecutive hours within the same day
And it's only used when it's an insane amount that can take a large percentage of a company like 20 or 30% and it's incredibly rare to happen at all
>>70550226
>Middle class workers, scientist, engineers, etc. are the ones who are actually doing the creation and innovation you speak of.
Alright sure, but this doesn't dismiss my previous point. Where is the outlet for this physical/intellectual innovation and work? Should all these budding intellectuals and intelligent engineers start businesses of their own? Or should we maintain the businesses that we have by not driving away what I would assume you would like to call the bourgeoisie, providing a medium for the workers to continue to work and scientists to have funding and workforce deadlines to do what they do best.
So saying I'm completely wrong is entirely subjective, this system has historically been the most efficient. I think something we can both agree on is resisting cronyism, things like corporate subsidies and welfare, which is an antithesis to the free market.
You also mentioned immigration, and there are many facets to that issue which can be fixed. Tarriffs, lowering corporate taxes/regulation, pushing policies creating a larger workforce, etc.
>>70551182
100+ yrs of utter failure on the part of "Muh Socialism" is enough for all but the profoundly retarded.
>>70551354
>The claim was that anyone has equal access to the methods used by the ultra wealthy to do it themselves. This is objectively false.
Give one, one example.
>While being legally blocked from the most profitable investments. "for their own protection"
Name one publicly traded company that i'm legally not allowed to invest in.
And i never even attacked you once....
>>70551355
>All of /pol/ is the same person
>>70551583
>100+ yrs of utter failure
?
>>70550424
Jesus Christ.
>>70545261
You're here too. So....
>>70551693
I guess History Class was too much for you.
Don't stay up too late, faggot. Tomorrow is a school day.
>>70550687
>CAPITALISTIC COUNTRIES ARE THE MOST FREE AND ADVANCED AND PROSPEROUS IN THE WORLD
>BY SUBJUGATING THE REST OF THE WORLD :^)
>>70550843
Only because we have a monopoly on higher education
>>70550877
>1. You linked a case studies that use mexico as an example, you realize that america is not mexico right?
You do realize that has nothing to do with the paper's conclusions right?
>Finds that a one-point increment in inequality implies a 36 increase in the homicide rate.
>2. Web developers/paralegals/mechanics/machine operators/drafters/techinications
Most of these occupations require you to have at least an associates which is literally worthless now because the market is over saturated.
>3. Just because you're a fucking loser doesn't mean everyone else is
>muh projection
>4. What are tarrifes and import fee's for 500 alex
Yeah because a wide array of loopholes and bought out courts/lawyers won't solve that
National Socialism > Capitalism
But if there comes a time in History where there is simply pointless to be a nationalist (extreme migration, one-world culture ie. memes) then it's Capitalism all the way.
>>70551776
>Only because we have a monopoly on higher education
I don't think monopoly means what you think it means.
>>70551776
I'm curious, what do you identify as politically? Socialist, communist, libertarian, anarchist, etc
>>70549131
>"literally" half of Americans are scrapping by while the upper % walks to their mailbox to collect a check with an amount I'll never make a life time.
This is not even remotely true. The median income is like 50-60k. Most wealth is shit like stocks that normal people should never touch.
>>70551776
Holy shit
Why do you keep fucking posting when your argument is fucking based on what if's and strawman's
1. MEXICO IS NOT AMERICA
2. Every single job I listed is a trade job
Please google for more then 5 minutes before you write something
3. The way you write and your obvious use of shitty arguments and meme's is case and proof of that
4. Name or link a loophole for a trade tariff or a loophole to get around import fee's
>>70549048
1. Yes goy, you have your playstation and mcburger, you are living in luxury!
2. You could not survive without us 'providers' stealing all the wealth, could you? No, you stupid goyim NEED us.
>>70551593
>Give one, one example.
Again do you not know what an accredited investor is?
>And i never even attacked you once....
Well, nice b8 m80.
>>70552198
Give one example Mr. Objectivly false. You have so strong opinions on something that you obviously know nothing about. You keep pounding and pounding without giving any proof to back up your statement. Come on, give one example of:
>The claim was that anyone has equal access to the methods used by the ultra wealthy to do it themselves. This is objectively false.
>While being legally blocked from the most profitable investments. "for their own protection".
And also greentext my alleged ''attack on you''.
>>70545184
Capitalism? We don't have pure capitalism any more.
Capitalism requires the incompetent companies to go bankrupt. Now we have too-big-to-fail. That's not capitalism.
Why do we have so many regulations now??? Because it becomes unaffordable for start-ups to compete with too-big-to-fail giants.
We don't even have free markets anymore. Giant banks have been caught manipulating almost every market.
>>70545429
Please elaborate.
Would a non capitalist market be a market where I'm forced to buy stuff, or perhaps I only have one choice to buy from?
>>70552146
lel sick memes famalam, not sure if you're screwing with me or trying to propose serious arguments. If it's the latter then no matter what your feelings are on the matter my "playstation and mcburger" are luxury. Not every American is going to be driving around limousines and eating $100 lobster, the fact that I can make free purchasing decisions and can afford most foods and means of entertainment I would say is just fine. This isn't the 1800's anymore, we're not all struggling to buy fur coats and iron rakes so we can prepare for the harvest.
Portraying the providers as Jews doesn't really make an important point. Jew or not they are creating opportunities for employment and providing goods/services to the country and market interests. We don't need the providers per se but like I said, this isn't the 1800's anymore, I don't particularly feel like mining iron or copper or what have you to create a playstation and killing cows outside my house to make a delicious Mcburger, I'll buy them for cheap instead.
>>70551958
Antisocial-Autistarian
>>70545184
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/myriam-miedzian/capitalism-uber-alles-how_1_b_775495.html
#ResistCapitalism
>>70548328
name a better 1st world country for opportunity retard
you wont find one because every other country is more socialist than we are, have higher taxes etc making it much much worse for starting a business
>>70548551
>look at forbes USA billionaire list
>realize the vast majority of them are self made
>some are even first generation immigrants who came to USA with nothing
inequality is not an argument against social mobility
>>70553343
thats socialism tho?
>>70554047
socialism for the 1%
>>70554047
you are on /pol/
>>70551878
The entire world moves to the US for higher education, are you serious?
>>70552101
pic related.
>>70552123
>MEXICO IS NOT AMERICA
It doesn't matter you retard, get your confirmation bias out of here and actually read the study.
>Every single job I listed is a trade job
>there's no debt associated with going to trade school
>4. Name or link a loophole for a trade tariff or a loophole to get around import fee's
>the rich aren't trying to hide their wealth!
>muh' gubbament regulation will fix everything!
>why gubbament restricting business fugg DD:
http://gabriel-zucman.eu/files/Zucman2015SlidesShort.pdf
>>70553384
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legatum_Prosperity_Index#Rankings
>>70553467
>look at forbes USA billionaire list
>realize the vast majority of them have been caught doing shady business activies
>>70550269
This is not true, this picture makes socialism looks like a GOOD thing.
Socialism is like being a 35 years old guy that lives with your parent and dont have a job.
You get stuff like house, food, and etc... from them, this is good right? They are taking care of you right?
Here is the bad point you will need to abide by what they think its right, sometimes they will tell you to do some bullshit course X or Y because it will be better for (in their opinion) or do/ not do some bullshit Z or W because its good for you (on their opinion), and you can't do nothing about it because you have 35 years, and never had have a job in your life and need to get out of this situation.
In the end all this puts you in a vicious circle that makes harder to you get out of this situation.
If you are a kid, this situation (dont have job and must do what your father do, need your father to takes care of you) is ok (well its needed) since mentally formed, socially formed.... yet, but not when you have 35 years or whateaver
>>70555019
>Norway Switzerland Denmark
oh yeah all that innovation coming from those countries, all those hundreds of self made billionaires , all those people climbing over each other to immigrate there
all those foreign nationals that go to Norway to conduct their business because its so great
oh wait thats America
you should probably kill yourself now
>>70545184
When a human is free, it wishes for security, to have something take care of them from their own shortcomings. When a human is unfree, it yearns for the freedom to make it's own choices and to write it's own destiny.
I like moderate capitalism, I don't see the need to go to autistic lengths to diminish the states role in the economy.
Companies and people can be trusted with only one thing - following their own interests. Those interests will not always be the best thing for everibody in the long term.
It's why the state should regulate the market and steer it when necessary.
You have to be pretty detached from reality to think that either absolute control from the state or absolute absence of the state has any chance to yield good long term results.
