You don't genuinely believe fascism is a good way to run a nation, do you?
>>70538694
There are better but God damn it there are worse.
>>70538694
that depends on the alternative. if it is either fascism, or endless waves of brown illegals, I'll take the former any day of the week.
>>70538694
You don't genuinely believe that allowing every single retard to vote is a good way to run a nation, do you?
Better than the current system.
Ultimately id prefer some kind of highly decentralised, nationalistic, conservative government but fascism is a decent transitory period for removing traitors and kebab.
>>70539160
>nationalistic
Is anyone on /pol/ really against nationalism?
It would have been in the 19th century. It would have been an excellent way.
We live in a world where countries are run by people who see nations as an anachronism. The old feudal mindset still exists among the powerful, where they owe more allegiance to each other than to their subjects.
>>70538694
It depends what you need to achieve.
Democracy can also be good, but not if you need to effect a rapid transformation, while still keeping society together and not tumbling into anarchy. For that, democracy is very slow and in democracies people rarely take the difficult decisions at the right time, politicians preffer to put them off for as long as possible even if this causes more hard overall in the long term. This is because Democracy rewards politicians for taking a short-term minimum-political-risk position, even if this is harmful to the fundamentals of the society.
You can see this in the UK if you write down a list of stuff that has been bubbling under for the last 30-50 years:
Power generation (nuclear plants too late after being put-off umpteen times).
Immigration/integration problems (government avoided talking about it until the problem became acute, then it attempted to cover it up, then it attempted to shut-down discussion using hate speech laws).
The list goes on and on.
Fascism has no problem tackling these big issues head-on, even if it means difficulty in the short term, longer term the country is better off.
>>70539647
>effect a rapid transformation
Doh, meant affect.
>>70538694
Military service SHOULD garuntee citizenship.
>>70538694
Yes
>>70538694
Human beings thrive under controlled pressure. Fascism as a political ideology has many problems, but as a phenomenon most people are intimately familiar with it - we experience it as children, employees, etc. It should be implemented in order to ensure and shape responsible citizens who transcend the basic limitations of their society and flourish as more developed persons.
Just ask yourself, as soldiers better as the result of a strict training regimen and clear authority, or are they better as a ragtag group of individuals simply occupying the same general area?
>>70538694
yes as long as i have a seat at the table
>>70538694
I do.
I like libertarianism as a concept but it's not possible with the average person as stupid as they are.
Maybe after a few generations of eugenics in a fascistic nation, muh freedom will work.
>>70539814
spic detected
No
Never
We aren't really ready to pretend everyone can live together in peace, because they show us every day that they can't.
The only alternative is paying attention to #1, and fuck the outsiders who wanted in on it.
>>70540301
Funland, why do you have to be a faggot?
>>70538694
At least it isn't communism
>>70538694
I believe in societal order, rule of the masses. Only the masses know what humanity is.
>>70540353
I'm telling you the truth
>>70540485
>I believe in societal order
>rule of the masses
pick one
>Only the masses know what humanity is.
Right, the average person is very deep and philosophical
>>70540504
>>70540610
you go first, I promise to do it after you
It's a nice way to run an orderly country, but it sucks cock for the citizens
>>70538694
When it's in Hillary's hands no.
>>70540246
Shut up Ahmed, if you're willing to die for a country you should definitely be granted citizenship
>>70540477
Nazis are communists who can't forget old Rome. Socialism is not absence of capitalism, it's just a new flavor. Capital cannot be replaced, only its controls.
>>70538694
Technically speaking, most human societies in history have been ruled by some form on one party system, be it a warlord, dictator or monarch, monarchies being the most stable. A benevolent dictatorship is the most stable and consistent form of government as the people in power stay the same and treat running a nation as the head of a family business does his company. In western democracies we keep getting a new government hand over and get our laws rewrote, removed and revised constantly whereas countries with leaders in power for multiple decades tend to reform and improve laws more carefully. Ultimately it's tradeoff between having a consistent, stable government and having one you can change and remove at will (every four years).
>>70540342
If what this says is true, I could almost be tempted by fascism.
>>70540588
Human means being nothing alone and godlike together. Which is why we need to work. Super-Richfag minorities are worldwide powerful and can control everything they want, including the masses. But everyone knows that nowadays. They have it difficult now and are pissed.
>>70540900
Oh god, I didn't notice his disgusting nails before now
>>70540342
This is nationalism
Reminder to idiots that didn't read the book: military service was not the only way to gain citizenship.
>>70540688
to argentine?
>>70542371
People -> nationalism
State -> fascism
>>70542405
nice conspiracy theory you have there :^)
pussy shot himself, you should too.
>>70539051
this
>>70542762
>no proofs
>insult
i dont tink you are actually a finn
you are probably a jew in disguise
>>70538694
yes
>>70539250
Nope.
>>70540914
nah
>>70543368
No, I'm not a finn
my parents and grandparents were Soviet, I'm merely living in Finland.
>>70543481
Fuck off from Finland filthy red.
>>70543527
Soon enough :^)
fascism as practiced, is oligarchy with better fashion sense.
PROVE ME WRONG.
>>70543648
Fascism is socialist.
>>70543648
>>70543703
Fascism is neither of these.
Fascists of /pol/:
>I hate what our leaders are doing
>I want to give all authority to a leader figure
Authoritarians are retard tier reactionaries
Not interested in authoritarian institutions but also very worried about losing everything the society was built upon so we have something to pass on. To the extent some authoritarian policies are necessary for that then yes. Things like immigration restrictions, not appeasing minority groups, a foreign policy that dominates any opponents, etc.
>>70543778
>building homes for the people
>feeding the people
>educating the people
>not socialist
>>70543851
Correct, Fascism wouldn't allow these corrupt Jewish puppets.
>>70543904
Wow, an extreme over simplification of complex ideologies. Nice. You seem like a smart lad.
>>70543851
>all leaders are the same
>>70543527
>implying Finland isn't a socialist shithole completely overrun by reds
>>70543904
Libertarians want the same thing. I think we all agree we'd like all people to have a home and be fed and educated.
>>70544025
In Fascism the leader is the people, the people are the leader and the state is ruled by the people.\
In Fascism there is only one people, ONE leader, ONE party, ONE interest, and thus one path to progress.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn2QRRclGz0
>>70544174
Keep using Hitler as the perfect example of fascism. Fascism starts with Mussolini, Hitler was a corruption of his good ideas.
>>70544174
Never will there be more than one Race and one nation in the state.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGSnVAjqQFw
>>70538694
>not posting this question to the hard left
>>70540931
The problem is that if your government changes every other year nothing ever gets done. Ever.
t. Italy
>>70539051
nice frenchie
then why was the govt in the german model of fascism, so tightly interwoven with corporate interests, e.g. IG Farben, Daimler, Siemens, Krupp, basically everything on this page, and the govt of the time had each others dicks in their mouths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_German_companies_by_employees_in_1938
Only fascism on the right is good. Fascism from libtards will always be bad because their fascism is that of Brave New World where they subjugate their citizens through brain washing which means everyone stays alive even the shitters of society while fascism that leans to the right at the very least shitters(The poor, the lazy, etc.) get killed off and don't drain resources from society.
>>70543481
i hope the white deaths ghost will reincarnate and kill you
>>70544083
>my god emperor will be different
Nationalism is the best
>>70544639
Trump 16' indeed, old bean.
>>70544626
Dead and gone, Russia could sweep this shithole easily
https://youtu.be/3oXNs5sP_T4
It's a necessary evil.
Only a man who has been shaped by fascism can be granted freedom, as he would undertand the dangers of uncontrolled liberalism.
>>70540301
>tfw in the end PASAMOS
>>70544350
This.
To this day, all the old men who lived during the fascist era still say everything was better back then.
Our leftist SJW teachers always told us, from the first day we ever heard about fascism, that that was because they were "indoctrinated" to believe that.
I accepted that explanation as a child, but now I realize it makes no fucking sense.
You can have the greatest propaganda machine IN THE WORLD (and Mussolini quite possibly had it), but if the people are starving they're starving.
There are a few simple parameters that we can use to decide whether fascism was good for italy or not.
>Under Mussolini
>A7 Genova-Serravalle Scrivia, 50km of motorway built on grueling mountainous terrain, with massive drops, many bridges, the road had to literally be carved into the mountain.
>over 12000 people at work on it
>got built in 2 years
Under our current governments:
>A4 Mestre variant
>50km of motorway built in basically the flattest region of Italy
>project was ready in 1990
>took almost 15 years to get approval
>5 years to build
>opened in 2009
What the fuck are we talking about here?
Mussolini built 90% of Italy's railways.
They built a 15km long tunnel (Grande Galleria dell'Appennino), WITH A FUCKING TRAIN STATION IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
In the 1920s.
Imagine what we could achieve with today's technology if we had that sort of resolution.
>>70545055
>tfw Fascism can't die because Fascism is reality
>>70542762
https://vault.fbi.gov/adolf-hitler
Get back on your side of the frozen wasteland.
>>70545172
Soon we will overcome these oppressors of the Fascist will, the first Fascist was Ceasar.
>>70538694
>Being anti-fascist while using a picture of a soldier from a movie about a fascist world government which has united the world in peace.
You must be a faggot op
>>70545172
Exactly. Mussolini, prior to WW2 and alliance to hitler - so let's say pre-1938, was understanding. He was autistic like Hitler banning everything. There was more freedom but still a strong state.
>(Grande Galleria dell'Appennino
Fucking beautiful.
>>70538694
There are certainly worse systems, but I wouldn't ever want to be found in a system where idolatry of the state is ever present.
>>70545575
M8, what country do you live in?
>>70545316
And you nuke yourself already
https://youtu.be/QlWeWLzX7fE
>>70545485
>banning everything
>banning subversive elements introduced like 50 years ago
>>70538694
>he thinks they're all memes
>>70544917
russia isnt commie anymore mate
they noticed how shit it was and stopped
>>70545216
Fascism is a feeling, it's part of the human soul
It's a voice that fills your breast with fire and passion, encouraging you to protect your family, your people and your Fatherland
The word fascism can be forbidden, but the feeling cannot be denied
Fascism is eternal
>>70539051
this desu
>>70545719
economy sucked they still believe marxs ideologies as truth.
>>70538694
>Starship Troopers
>Fascism
Kill yourself
>>70539436
>We live in a world where countries are run by people who see nations as an anachronism
Facsism/NatSoc is a good way to change that
>>70545929
>Facsism
Fuck
>>70545738
This.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-979vsPYZk&nohtml5=False
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtS1G0F7wT4
>>70539160
Just like communism?
>>70546362
Long live Fascism, struggle against the filthy oppressors which which to destroy us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V4t2pmT2Hs&nohtml5=False
>>70546661
Fascism WILL BE FREE LONG LIVE THE FASCIST REVOLUTION!
FATHERLAND, JUSTICE, AND REVOLUTION!
>>70539051
this
democracy is not the peak of evolution. Some day we will notice that we don't want 60% of this retarded population to vote.
>>70539160
>decentralised
Separatist
>>70546831
There is certainly something wrong with allowing people to vote who have no understanding (or interest in... even more shockingly) the things they are voting for or against.
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” - Isaac Asimov
>>70545877
I guess you've never read the book or seen the movie
>>70538694
why not?
>>70539051
/thread
>>70545055
You won't...
>>70538694
Well, if we compare pre-Nazi party Germany to post-Nazi reformations before the WW2. The answer is pretty clear...
Germany made a miraculous recovery as soon as it adopted fascism under Hitler.
>>70545877
>american education
I get that fascism is supposedly directed towards the benefit of the nation, but how can anyone think that giving ultimate power to the state is a good idea? I see some people equate fascism with the will of a nation, but when you give absolute power to a select group of people then it seems quite obvious that it will be corrupted. That's not to say that democracy as it stands is a good system, but fuck at least in principle the people have some amount of control over their state. Fascism is fundamentally in opposition to American principles of liberty and self determination. Personally I think that democracy is the only answer and that for it to work one needs a strong vigilant society. To use state hegemony of force and influence, however, is simply absurd and quite a slippery slope towards a state which is self serving and wholly detached from the will of the people.
>>70547571
This actually happens regardless.
Even systems that start out idealistic.
Communism started out like that, then Stalin and other dictators like Mao and Kimmy came in. And ofc Pol Pot.
Democracy especially, the most idealistic of the lot is rife with corruption. Pretty much everyone and their mum at this point knows that our democracy is a sham and that true power is in the hands of the elites.
Might makes right.
Those who can take what they want, will.
Those who are too weak to stop them will be exploited.
This is how it has been under every single form of government since antiquity.
![normal_IMG_5037[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ABIErCY.jpg "normal_IMG_5037[1].jpg")
>>70545485
And here it is 80 years later.
What a disgrace.
>>70547571
>how can anyone think that giving ultimate power to the state is a good idea?
because you live in a multicultural "paradise" its probably hard for you to conceptualize a scenario where the state is composed of the people. you automatically assume any government is going to consist of hostile foreigners because thats what you are used to. A government should operate like a family, not like a corporation
>>70548307
>tore down the fasces
Regardless of what you think of fascism, you must admire their style. It's beautiful. Why are nationalists always the best designers.
>state of disrepair
Typical Italians. Who will rise to stop your brain drain and restore your country?
>>70547860
No doubt every system has its flaws and as I say democracy as it stands is not perfect. Despite this democracy at least has the potential to change the power structure without revolution, whereas a facistic rule does not. The problem with democracy is a weak willed placated populous, but to try to solve this problem with state use of force is a backwards top down approach which necessarily will impose the will of those in control onto the people. Unless by chance you can find the one ruler whose sole concern is the will of the people this is in contrast to ideals of a States obligation to the concerns of its people.
>>70540246
He's not even wrong. Think of Rome.
>>70549070
but rome fell when the foreign barbarians they trained to fight their wars for them turned against them..
>>70548594
>>tore down the fasces
They tore them down everywhere. There is possibly not a single fascio left in all of italy.
>fun story
>they tore them out of a bridge in my city
>the emblems were actually a structural part of the bridge
>a few decades later the bridge had to be closed for months as it was about to collapse
>Typical Italians. Who will rise to stop your brain drain and restore your country?
I honestly don't know.
Given the amount of taxes we pay, everything should be perfectly maintained with trimmed rose bushes and shit.
Instead everything's falling apart.
Potholes the size of fucking caves, railway stations with crumbling fixtures, etc.
It really gives a shitty image of the whole country.
>>70538694
Anything in bad hands turn shit.
>>70548438
And you assume that one has to be foreign to be hostile to the people that they rule over. You think that just because one rules over their own people that they wouldn't be tempted to establish a ruling class? Sure maybe not immediately but if you think that a fascist society is immune to nepotism and corruption then you may be a little idealistic in your views of human nature.
>>70549198
Because they fought and died for Rome and were still treated as second class citizens.
Barbarians didn't want to destroy Rome, they wanted to be Romans.
>>70549364
This.
>>70549413
>I am master over my car
>I will proceed to destroy my car
>>70549263
>They tore them down everywhere. There is possibly not a single fascio left in all of italy.
A bit depressing, desu.
>they tore them out of a bridge in my city
What's your city?
>Given the amount of taxes we pay, everything should be perfectly maintained with trimmed rose bushes and shit.
So why don't you start a new party and march on Rome? Realistically, nothing will change until you end corruption.
>>70549413
i understand where you are coming from but i think you should spend time in an actual community before you make such sweeping judgements of humanity. a family will care for its young.
>>70549470
>mo money fo dem programs
>>70549576
In Fascism the nation is a family, you are bound by blood and common ancestry.
>>70549539
>I am a master of my car
>I would like to keep my position as master of my car
>Though I will not destroy my car intentionally I would be willing to use force to maintain my comfy position as master of the car even if it is counter to the will of the people. Because I am master of this car and can tune the radio to whatever station I want I can use this to influence the opinions of those in this car with me such that they believe that my desires are in fact for the good of the car.
>>70550051
you're saying some of the most stupid things.
>>70538694
Democracy doesn't exist anyway. It's incredibly easy to either manipulate the voters or outright ignore their votes without them ever knowing.
>>70549564
>What's your city?
Torino.
>So why don't you start a new party and march on Rome?
>implying
>>70539051
Straight in with the end game, france condemns democracy! BTFO
>>70550425
>Torino.
How are the Gypsies, Romanians, and Moroccans treating you, Giovannino?
>>implying
I'm not implying. I'm suggesting that you do something. You, the people, have the power here, friendo.
>>70549576
Do you even know what you're on about?
Why do you think there were so many foreigners in the Roman army? Because Romans had stopped joining.
They didn't need to work,
They had foreign slave labour.
So they treated foreigners like shit whilst the foreigners did all the work and increasingly kept them safe.
The one thing we can learn from history is that people never fucking learn from history.
>>70549576
Sure a family will care for its own, but unless everyone in a society views everyone else in that society as being equally included in their family then there naturally may be favoritism. You are in power and your cousin is applying for a job, you have a choice between your fellow countrymen and your cousin who is equally of your country. Your loyalties are to both but more so to your cousin. He is then appointed to a position where he is equally likely to do the same. Ultimately any society will develop elites in my opinion and the more power a state has the more power these elites will have. That's just an opinion though.
>>70550189
Hey it wasn't my analogy. I'm just trying to make the point that when one has complete control their obligations are not necessarily to the people. It then, plausibly, could become a matter of placation and self service. Again I should say that democracy as it stands is not perfect either.
>>70550667
the problem was the slave labor in the first place not that they didnt give their slaves even more power over them. this egalitarian mindset is exactly why britian is irrelevant today, you can see your colonies with your own blood have stayed relatively loyal while your foreign slaves have all gone separate ways, you and france have started importing niggers by the boatload and giving them all special rights and all it gets you is bombed. no amount of being nice is going to change the fundamental differences between different nations
>>70550704
yeah that makes sense but as you said its unavoidable to some degree
>>70550586
>How are the Gypsies, Romanians, and Moroccans treating you, Giovannino?
Romanians are somewhat alright.
Gypsies are the scum of the earth as usual.
I don't see too many moroccans as I don't live in any of the shitty neighbourhoods they inhabit.
There are a couple black pushers around the block but they never give any trouble to anyone. They're just here to do their business and they're surprisingly quiet and discreet for being blacks.
>I'm not implying. I'm suggesting that you do something. You, the people, have the power here, friendo.
Actually, you're implying many things.
You're implying I have anywhere near the charisma required to lead a movement of such proportion.
You're implying that te average italian cares enough to march on Rome.
You're implying that if we do we won't just get arrested.
>>70538694
No, fascism is a good way to implement a good way to run a nation.
No better, cleaner way to install national socialism or monarchy than fascism.
>>70551552
Wow. You should definitely do something about your immigration.
By the way, what ever happened to that Senegalese who killed the American?
>You're implying I have anywhere near the charisma required to lead a movement of such proportion.
Never said lead. Simply take part in, help create. The strongest will rise to the occasion and be the leader. Just get you and your friends together.
>You're implying that te average italian cares enough to march on Rome.
I was being a bit poetic. Pretty much stand in front of Chamber of Deputies yelling "vergogna"! Which is what you Italians are good at. Protest is all I'm asking for. Not a real march on Rome with Graziani and Balbo.
>You're implying that if we do we won't just get arrested.
Arrested for what?
>>70551260
Unavoidable sure, but with a vigilant populous it could perhaps be kept in check. That of course requires this voting population to be well informed and be driven towards the good of the nation and not just their own individual wants. It's just my opinion that the people of a nation should decide what is for the best and not the state, but again that is an ideal. National unity should come from the ground up such that it is a reflection of the people's desire to succeed not from the top down as a means of control.
>>70538694
You haven't even read the actual Novel, "Starship Troopers" by Robert Heinlein, Have you?
>>70552242
the problem is the ground level is completely retarded
you wouldnt trust your 10 year old autistic kid to run the family finances would you?
>>70539250
Socialists lurk here, so yes
>>70538694
I am still working on how it would work without a huge Keynesian bubble like Hitler did.
the answer is liberal nationalism (civic nationalism).
>>70540353
The definition of fascism according to websters dictionary. It's not socialist or capitalist. It's being a general asshole. You guys are idiots.
>>70553225
cuck
>>70539003
a picture for BUGS
>>70539250
NATIONalism? Sorta.
I'm not really into believing one western country is better than an other. I'm more into the idea that the west as a whole is better than everyone else.
It isnt.
You need 2 generations of instilling traditional values and rooting out degeneracy.
Afterwards fascism is replaced, peacefully as it is no longer needed.
Yes, 2 generations is a lot of scenic helicopter rides, but the result is worth it.
>>70552415
Only if it's a minecraft related business. But in all seriousness I see your point that's why I keep saying a vigilant well informed populous and call that an ideal. The sad truth is that even though these are the ideal the reality is that most people, at least here in the home of the good burger, are loyal to the interests of the party they align themselves with and therefore to the elites that have embedded themselves here. So in short I think that national unity is a prerequisite for democracy, but to seek this from those capable of exerting coercive force and propaganda is an ill advised approach that would only further allow corruption. A society must choose to stand on its own two feet for the good of its people not be propped up by an authoritarian figure, but again I'll admit that this is an idealistic notion. An authoritarian regime that works for the will of its people is too however.
>>70553296
>It's being a general asshole
The motto of the italian fascist party wasn't ME NE FREGO for no reason, you know?
>>70553520
Stop using the leftist definitions, if you believe that nations exist, that they have the right to decide how they want to be governed, and if you care about your own nation, you are a nationalist.
It's time to stop accepting the propagandist idea that nationalism = bad patriotism.
>>70538694
Special snowflake bullshit has turned out to be a disaster
>>70554361
>, if you believe that nations exist, that they have the right to decide how they want to be governed, and if you care about your own nation, you are a nationalist.
You misunderstand. I'm saying that you should care about your own nation and be nationalistic. So long as this nationalism doesn't impact your brother nations. The west should work together in the field of science but other than that each nation should be nationalistic for themselves. Basically, I don't want to see wars between Europeans. Fuck everyone else though.
>>70551552
All you need is an armband, a symbol, a microphone and a box to stand on, anon.
