How exactly is a United Europe a bad thing? Don't being cucked by chinks and JUSA seems pretty great desu
Same people that control USA control the EU. A united Europe would be a great thing, but not in the form of the EU. Better to just burn it all down and start anew.
>>70531782
It's not.
However, nobody wants to be led by the Deutschcucks.
>>70531782
>United Europe a bad thing?
I primarily identify as Austrian.
I secondly identify as European.
I don't want to be conflated with a bunch of other people who I don't belong to and who conversely don't belong to me.
Europe needs a single market & an NAP and we will be just fine.
>>70531782
It'd be fine if it didn't include Merkel and Co forcing us to accept suicide bombers as our neighbours
Because more servilism never is a good thing.
Earth unification when?
>>70531782
Because it's not 1 country or 1 economy
also remove t*rkroaches
Spain, Portugal and Italy might not be white, but at least they're not muslims
>turkroachs in europe
REEEEEEE
Make it into an economic and military union but divide the countries into states based on ethnic groups and cultural groups and what the fuck else so they can keep to themselves.
That's the only way it'd be okay.
>>70531782
>Turkey there
Fuck off pablo
A United Europe would only be good with better policies than accept illegals etc. I would only like a United Europe if Russia was the one making all decisions and no mudslime countries like Turkey and Albania allowed
>>70531782
Because the southern half of Europe is filled with off-white shitskins who think they're white (i.e. Portuguese, Greeks, Italians, Spaniards, Romanians, Albanians).
>>70531969
this
>Including the Great Anatolian Roachdom
Nah mate
>>70531782
>Turkey
>Ukraine
Is this the future EU map you stole from USA?
>>70532150
A fucking bulgarian cockroach, from a country that has provided literally anything to the world is badmouthing the great countries of the south? fuck off
>>70532365
I seem to have upset the great KANGZ
>>70532173
It's basically this already
>>70532204
>literal swamp nigger complaining about Turkey, a country that has more western history than any germanic money country
>>70531782
Abolishing countries and borders even more after the newest "multicultural influx". Yeah, what a great idea. Give individual countries LESS power to do what they want, and not big daddy EU.
How would this be a GOOD idea on any level?
>>70532271
Rareflag
>>70532444
>more history
Sure thing Pablo or should I say Ahmed since it's obvious you aren't worthy of being a European. Go back to Morocco
>>70532434
I just realised your flag is a christmas themed Russian flag
>>70532632
Made me kek
>>70531782
At least Asians integrate into their new home. Enjoy your 10 gorillion mudslimes yuropeon
>>70531782
Because 3rd world shitholes like Greece and Spain got in.
United Germanic countries would be awesome.
>>70531782
I approve the idea of european member but hell the how way it's handled actually is a disaster.
The biggest mistake was to expand to quickly by integrating country economically not ready.
Same thing for the euro.
I dunno inhaling all the brown cock you can get? You will be a caliphate in 20years.
>>70531782
fixed
>>70531782
>completely different cultures
>completely different legal systems
>completely different working ethics
>let's have a one-fits all nation
no, sure pedro we can do this shit.
How about you start working 9 hours per day with no siesta, no fiesta, no fun allowed working ethics ?
no me gusta
>>70531782
Undemocratic, actually anti-democratic would be more accurate. Rules decided far away by someone who does not represent you, being forced upon you.
Vast bureaucracy. Need I say more.
Allows elected local politicians and governments to wash their hands of local issues. "Sorry we just define europe-wide policy, we cant be dealing with your local problem".
Practicality. If the Greece situation hasnt made this clear enough then I dont know what will. Varoufakis was fired because he refused to sign up for a loan when he knew his country was already broke and had no means of paying it.
why don't you eurocucks just give up to sharia law and get it over with?.....
>>70531782
because I like polandball the way it is now.
>>70533271
>not knowing that spaniards actually work more hours than germans
>>70531782
>one currency
>many countries
>retarded idea doomed to fail
>>70533418
>Undemocratic, actually anti-democratic would be more accurate.
>Vast bureaucracy. Need I say more.
this and less developed zones would be a burden.
>>70532133
When jews no longer exist.
>>70531782
because all but the biggest countries, have nothing to say and get laws enforced on them by others.
>>70532444
Kill yourself you fucking moor
>defending turkey
seriously go back to morocco
>>70531782
>Turkey in EU
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
>>70533591
they are so fucking ugly goddamnit
>>70532444
Fuck you roach dispora and your E.U. get out of my country you dirty muslim scum. What the hell are you doing here? Go elsewhere.
>>70532444
Ahmed, i can smell you since here, gtfo.
>>70531782
We're too divided culturally and economically to exist for any period of time and be stable.
>>70531782
>centralization of power
> let people across the continent govern places they've never set foot
Yes, sounds fucking brilliant.
>>70531782
>How exactly is a United Europe a bad thing?
Death of nations, something that no true European will accept.
>>70531782
France has nuclear weapons.
The U.K has nuclear weapons.
No unification, American style, will happen.
>>70531782
Europe has literally united together militarily and conquered China without having to form an EU or give away national sovereignty. There is no need for an EU to be united military.
>People on /pol/ unironically defending the EU
Jesus Christ, it's a horrible idea from literally every perspective other than a Marxist "let's try to obliterate western civilization lmao" point of view.
The EUSSR is a centrally planned, leftist nightmare that destroys nations and economies with endless economic meddling and piling on more regulations, a centralized fiat currency, forcing everyone to have open borders, and all manner of communist horseshit.
And no, it's not a "good idea in theory" either you fucking socialist retards. Even sovereign, relatively small states fuck things up endlessly, and doubling down with "WELL WE JUST NEED A BIGGER GOVERNMENT, SURELY THAT WILL SOLVE EVERYTHING" is not ever going to be a beneficial idea.
>>70534906
>And no, it's not a "good idea in theory" either you fucking socialist retards.
There is some merit in having easier trade and transport between the European nations, but not to the level the EU has imposed.
>>70531782
It is great, wonderful and brilliant thing.
You don't often see your enemies suicide themselves or force other Hungarias and Croatias to plunge into the brown pit.
By Jebuz, I though only Communist Russia in its first 2 decades was prone to limitless self-destruction.
When snackbars start explode unpredictably and unironic race war starts there will be Russia from Lisbon to Alaska.
Born just in time to witness.
>>70531782
Get those fucking roaches off that map.
>>70533178
thank you so much
>>70531782
Theoretically, it's a great idea. In practice, it's a fucking dystopian nightmare that is actively seeking to destroy the culture, traditions and even the DNA of the indigenous peoples.
>>70533831
Sleeping during your job doesn't count as work, Pedro. I worked in Spain for 3 months, and I was baffled at how soft it was. In Denmark I do as much as in one work day (7hr) as I did in a week in Spain.
Because it would drag the good countries down to a average which looks like a Polish suburb
>>70531782
And the Germany to pay for everything
>>70531893
>However, nobody wants to be led by the Deutschcucks.
Talk for yourself, bloddy 'murican.
Viktor Khan is crashing the EU with no survivors. We're done with your Iberian faggotry.
It's over cuck. You can kill yourself now.
>>70533029
I fully identify with the European in the meme.
When will we have European flags, /pol/?
>Belarus in EU
>Ukraine in EU
do you guys know that the smallest cavities in your tooth can lead to a whole jaw collapsing in a few years?
>500 years under foreign rule
>finally become independent in 1905
>suddenly Norway becomes a rich and succesfull country
>just give it up to enter a giant union with countries we have nothing in common with, letting ourselves get controlled by a out of thouch politicians in Brussels
How is this a good deal? There is nothing a United Europe can give Norway that we can't already get without giving up our power. Europeans are simply too diverse and different for this to work.
>>70539059
But aren't americans europeans from all countries in europe? They managed to make it work while still preserving "Muh heritage"
>>70531782
>Wanting to stay on Mama Merkel's Wild Ride
>>70532931
Agreed. Two separate North and South European Unions would work much better both fiscally and culturally.
>>70539468
The Europeans who came here before the 1965 immigration act were forced to assimilate with American life. Immigration was very controlled until that time. You had "proud to be an American" ideas imbedded into you through society and later public schooling.
This "I'm 1/64 Irish because my grandfather ate lucky charms once!" shit is very recent.
>>70532931
>>70539932
>North Union literal black countries by 2050
>50 meter wall built by southern union that has thrived on passive cuckery of the Northern one
>We charge Americans 10 bucks a shot with snipers to kill niggers
>>70531782
In current form it's "Germany telling others what to do".
And after WWII it has become a country with surgically removed national identity that genuflects whenever anyone talks about "identity as a German".
The curse of Hitler: Commit genocides just to not be like him.
It spreading to other countries is objectively bad at this point. If it will be proven to work, sure, but so far it's not worth to jump on progressiveness bandwagon that's heading to crash and burn.
>>70539932
>Union of poor shitholes
No thanks, I'd rather stand on my own
Also Spain is not whats keeping the EU down, anyway
>>70533832
Not sure why you are leaving your opinion here roachyboy
>>70531782
Not in a million years. Europe fought endlessly for thousands of years for a reason. Europe is too diverse to ever federalise, thankfully. What do I have in common with Albanians or Latvians?
The unique cultures of each European country must be preserved.
>>70539946
When you look at the numbers, it's frightening to see how quickly a country's leaders can betray and destroy their own population.
Americans who are going into retirement today, grew up in a country that was 88% white. Now it's 63% white, and white children born today are born into a generation where they're the minority, considering less than 50% of US births are white.
>>70539946
This. The spelling of my surname was changed voluntarily by great grandfather and again by my grandfather to be more American.
A bastardized name and a few recipes are all I have left of my heritage.
Multiculturalism is a meme. It's just consumerism which is the death of culture. Don't be like us.
>>70540748
Stop it's fucking depressing me. America being tacofied is bloody annoying. TRUMP SAVE THE BURGERS
>>70531782
By being a united Europe you're going to get cucked by the USA anyway, they want a united Europe to push TTIP you retarded Mexican.
So there's your argument blown the fuck out harder than that airport in Belgium.
Now go sleep or something, Siesta time.
>>70540384
I have a Hellenic first name, am I allowed to be a refugee from North Europe?1
>>70541232
All caucasoid people of European ancestry are welcome in the south. Don't forget the sunscreen
>>70541382
>Don't forget the sunscreen
Fuck almost forgot that its so hot down there.
>>70532133
of course the jew would say that
United Europe would not be a bad thing under direct democracy, sadly we're being controlled by global elite, which would just make us proxy power for someone else but ourselves
>>70540503
You have to think of what the EU is before contemplating what might be keeping it down. Is it an influential political entity? Is it a strong military force? Is it a means to more culturally advanced society? No, it's none of these things.
It's simply a trade union facilitating internal exports between its members. And guess what: it's a zero-sum game where the rich countries become richer and the poor countries become poorer.
I'd much rather stand on my own as well, but irrelevance in the grand scheme of things is the best-case scenario that can come out of this choice. Southern countries might be "poor shitholes", but increasing their internal self-reliance through cooperation in a stronger political union could change that.
Southern Europe wasn't always so shit. EU created a dependancy on Northerners for a lot of things and has minimised many industries in countries like Greece and Spain. It doesn't have to stay this way.
>>70531862
/thread
>>70541786
if the rich countries are getting richer off the poor ones, what stops Italy and Spain getting rich off portugal and greece in a southern union, since they are considerably poorer?
>>70542217
Now that i am rethinking it it wouldn't last, there would be a civil war over the best olive oil within 6 weeks
USA
>Started as independent colonies
>Formed one union
EU
>Started as independent countries
>Form one union
If it worked for the US, it might also work for Europe.
>inb4 leave UK out of this
>>70542620
True
>>70542217
A stronger political union. EU's policies mostly concern internal interactions. A different kind of union would try to directly compete against markets such as the US and China as a unity.
I mentioned the south's cultural alignment earlier (which could also include France to a certain extent) because that's often cited as the reason the EU can't become anything more than a trade union.
If not wanting to burden with Greece's or Portugal's economies is what you're getting at, I can see where you're coming from and I can't say I blame you. However, I do think it's short sighted if you think there are better allies for Spain or Italy.
>>70533591
Oh man, not long until every European man each gets their own brown imouto.
>>70542620
You jest, but this is exactly the thing that wouldn't happen. That's what's happening right now: southern countries competing for olive oil with aggressive pricing and whatnot.
A unified economy would make it possible to increase export pricing, because there would be no direct competition.
>>70542671
Shouldn't you be preparing your next piece of damage control on the tax evasion scandal, Dave?
>>70531782
No united states of europe...everyone can do their own thing and team up with trade and defence treaties nothing more.
stay out of our pockets
>>70531782
The USA is not Europe, a mainly English institution imposed on an aboriginal land.
Europe has developed in different cultures. To create a United Europe the cultures must be destroyed. So there is no difference between a fin or a Greek, a brit or a pole.
People want to live their own lives, not lives imposed by a social experiment.
>>70531782
It's not a bad thing.
The problem is that the imbecile leaders + the leftist inbreds want an United Europe + middle east and half of africa. Also they don't let us kill the gypsies.
>>70543661
Soros and the gang are already on it bruv, it might be a reality in a couple of decades
>>70531782
>turkey
>Europe
wtf is this shit called "map" m8
>>70531782
EU is a cuckold pact.
>>70543661
>The USA... a mainly English institution imposed on an aboriginal land.
>a mainly English institution
>a mainly English institution
>English institution
The USA literally fought a war against the English to be rid of English practices and English law.
They're as far from being English as one can possibly be.
>>70531969
This.
Why elect right wing government is the German cucks have more say. We're lucky we have the english channel at least but i feel sorry for the rest
>>70543763
Only if we let them. You want to be spanish, I want to be a brit. Soros can fuck off, we don't have to do what he dictates, just because he wants it.
>>70531862
FPBP.
I'd love a united Europe. Just not the way it is now.
I'd like to see:
Armenia
Georgia
Russia
No Turkey, fuck Turkey
>>70532173
This might be good.
I'd like 'economic zones'. as well.
>>70533591
> just give up to sharia law and get it over with?.....
>62%
looks like the Americans already have
>>70544241
>You want to be spanish, I want to be a brit
That's the problem m8, they are taking away the meaning of being <nationality> when anyone from any place in the world and genetic background can be "spanish" or "english"
When your country is full of people who have no link or resemblance to the men who worked for hundreds of years to build that country being "english" just means having english citizenship, even if citizens have nothing in common, not race, religion, beliefs or culture
>based vargu-chan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rprBLT8SPjg
>>70531950
I primarily identify as a european because finns are uncivilized retards
>>70531782
ugly flag idiotic leaders
reminds me of communism
>>70544122
Look just examine the structure, they removed some bits, added some bits, kept the rest.
>>70531782
U even put Turkey in it...
>>70542671
The difference being some states in the US have more voting power than others because of their population.
Why should Latvia have have the same voting power as the UK or France, etc?
>implying EU is elected anyway
>>70531782
HEY!! get norway out of that pic please. don't want no part of your EU bullshit
>>70544122
>The USA literally fought a war against the English to be rid of English practices and English law.
>They're as far from being English as one can possibly be.
Not really. The war was fought because of being a subject of the crown and therefore having no representation in parliament.
....and because certain individuals in Boston didn't like the lowered taxes on tea meaning their smuggling was not as profittable
>>70545066
Yes! wtf Switzerland, Belarus and Ukraine. I don't care what the EU does as long as the east stays White and the UK gets fucked.
>>70544906
What? Turkey is part of Europe, it should be included.
>>70531782
Democratic control doesn't seem to work on that scale. The EU politicians are too far removed from their constituents ... they feel themselves on the same level as the globalists billionaires they rub shoulders with (the globalist of course laugh at them behind their backs).
For the high level national politicians the EU is like a drug, they'll sell out their country to be able to play in the big leagues. For that you have to support the EU status quo and the globalist status quo.
Small country national politicians who operate mostly on national policy are harder to capture by the globalists.
>>70544976
Voting in the states is not even direct
USA
>Electoral college
>Based on representative population
>Adjusted so small population states get some extra votes (All states get at least 3 electoral college votes)
EU
>Establish European Electoral College
>Use census from each country to establish some European congress that can make laws (for commerce between European countries and for defence)
>Vote for a European Prime Minister/ President/ Sultan via an electoral college system
Hopefully, someone makes some sort of Federalist Papers (Euro version) to entice the countries to the benefits of a United Europe
>inb4 United States of Europe
>USE! USE!
>>70544122
>They're as far from being English as one can possibly be.
you mean they're as close to being english as possible while having a different government?
>>70531782
This map needs revision. Our glorious caliphate would never join infidels.
>>70545616
how is russia these days? muslim problem under control?
>>70531782
turkey,
that is all.
I support a united Europe but it could not possibly be the EU. It would have to be built from scratch because the EU already is loaded with so much shitty baggage that it would be impossible to get the individual European countries to agree to it.
>>70545763
>Hopefully, someone makes some sort of Federalist Papers (Euro version) to entice the countries to the benefits of a United Europe
Something like this would probably be necessary.
It isn't bad, but Europe needs to listen to the EU instead of Germany/France for this shit to happen. Is it the European Union or the Fourth Reich?
>>70546130
EU = germany and france
>>70545936
They know their place. It is interesting to go to the south, the muslims are more patriotic to be Russian that the Russians are. Besides that woman who walked around Moscow with the head, there really are not any problems.
I am surprised that we haven't had any problems like the EU.
>>70531782
It's a great thing.
The EU is just a bad way to do it.
>>70544693
It was planned long before Syria happened. It is the act of tyrants. Recognise the tyranny, be who you are be Spanish, resist the indoctrination. It is not easy, what is, in the end they will fail.
>>70546043
>Hopefully, someone makes some sort of Federalist Papers (Euro version) to entice the countries to the benefits of a United Europe
>Something like this would probably be necessary.
Absolutely. It would be glorious for a US style birth of democracy out of the EU.
It won't work. To make it work would require a horrible amount of social engineering. Probably deaths.
United States of Europe will not work with huge sacrifice that creates a cultural hegemony. There is also huge resistance to the dissolution of states, particularly from places that only really just won it.
It's like communism, nice in theory, implementation will be bloody and very probably imperfect.
>>70546497
That would require a revolution, I believe,
there would be many many powerful people not interested in that
But yeah count me in
theres alot of shitty thing in the EU, like free movement of workers from east to west, undemocratic Eu parliament, Turkey can fuck off, and most importantly Mama merkel and co. working on replacing the European native people with African and Arab Muslims.
without these things it could have been nice
>>70546599
>United States of Europe will not work with huge sacrifice that creates a cultural hegemony.
The USA was able to make it work and all the different states have their own culture that makes each one different:
>50 states = 50 different cultures and customs
>4 regions with different cultures and regions (East Coast, West Coast, The South, The Midwest)
>There is also huge resistance to the dissolution of states, particularly from places that only really just won it.
It took quite a while to convince the original states to form a union after the American Rebellion.
>Hence the Federalist Papers
>Hence convincing the states that it's good to form a "more perfect Union"
And besides, the UNITED Kingdom was able to do it with 4 different cultures
>English
>Scottish
>Welsh
>Irish (at least the North)
A united Europe is possible
>>70532444
>It's basically this already
It's not.
This is what it is
>Die merkel reich, the neo-nazi german reich with the objective of the DESTRUCTION OF EVERY EUROPEAN CULTURE, VIA DESTROYING THEIR ECONOMY, CULTURE AND SOVEREIGNTY.
>>70531782
It's redundant, considering that NATO exists.
>>70534028
>Because all but krauts and their cronies you have no sovereignty
ftfy
Funny a kraut crony does also say this tho.
>>70540384
Papadopoulos is genius.
>>70531782
>How exactly is a United Europe a bad thing?
Turkey will probably want in.Also, most of the countries in Europe would lose their national identity.
>>70547744
the dutch pay the most to the EU (per capita). But we don't have much say.
>>70546497
>>70546703
What does a person need to do gather enough clout to be even taken seriously if one were to attempt such an undertaking? Become a politician? Join the military? Academia?
It seems like becoming an establishment politician would just end up grinding down your revolutionary ideals after a while.
>>70532133
when aliens threaten us
>>70548122
R A R E F L A G
>>70531782
How is that unemployment rate working out for you?
>>70531782
It wouldn't be. It what they should have done in the beginning to get rid of the problems we have now.
Except for immigration I guess.
>>70534368
what is ur pic from i have seen it all around pol
>>70548718
Starship Troopers
>>70531782
>turkey
>europe
We need EU v2
Stand united against the foreign hordes
>>70533591
mate that's a school in Sweden
>>70531782
It encourages cuckoldry
http://house-of-one.org/en/idea
THREE RELIGIONS. ONE HOUSE.
Berlin is soon to become home to something truly unique. Jews, Christians, and Muslims are planning to build a house of worship here – one that brings a synagogue, a church, and a mosque together under one roof. The three separate sections will be linked by a communal room in the center of the building. This will serve as a meeting place, where worshippers and members of the public can come together and learn more about the religions and each other.
>>70548122
SNEAKY FLAG
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>>70531782
>>70531862
It's funny that no one's ever head of The Union for the Mediterranean
It's not a united europe they want
It's Eurasia . Pic related
Look at the fucking countries that are members. Surely we' have heard if this?
It's hq is in Barcelona, it's got un observer status, it's secretary general is a Muslim man it encourages cultural exchange and funds it's own u versities
All this from our tax money.
With all the people from the southern and eastern members being driven into the eu, I'd say stage one was complete
>>70531782
How utterly braindead retarded do you have to be to think something like that could ever work, or to even want it in the first place?
>hurr durr I'm so sick of being cucked by the US so I'm literally going to become the equivalent of a US state that'll show those damned Americans
Also you realise that the US is the biggest supporter of European federalisation in existence, right?
>>70547138
Whoa, whoa now.
50 states =/= 50 cultures. At most, I can think of maybe a dozen. You think there's really that much of a difference between southerners? White south, nigger l south, faggy Frenchman south is really the only distinction I can make, for example
>>70531782
Because the counties there have very distinct histories and identifies.
>>70549986
England was once a collection of different countries with distinct histories and indentities prior to being unified.
Not unifiying to increase our collective strength in the face an uncertain future and increasingly powerful rivals and enemies on our doorstep just because we've got minor cultural differences is stupid. I'd prefer to see a strong homogenous Europe over a collapsed or conquered collection of unique snowflake states.
In a thousand years, no one will care that France and Britain used to disagree on what to have for breakfast.
>>70549594
Every one of the north African or middle eastern member states has has a coup ,an arab spring, a civil war an invasion or a regime change. Or military intervention from the west
How can on be in a club designed to promote prosperity and stability and then vote to invade or bomb other member states?
>>70531782
Next time you post Spain check your bank account and post accordingly
The euro and those fucking siestas you insist on having have fucked your economy dry
I remember when your money actually has uses like you could use 25 pesata coins as fishing weights now you are sucking the European tete and are starving as it runs dry
>>70531782
Because it shits on the idea of sovereign nations.
The league of nations was a shit idea and so is the EU
See, you couldn't be more wrong. Europe being divided into disproportionally many distinct and thriving cultures is not a new thing. It's how it's always been, and the reason for that is because the region is one of the most prosperous in the world. Take a look on just about any place on Earth with the size of Europe, and you may be able to name 5, maybe 6 distinct cultures that existed there. For the most part, it'll be hunter-gatherers or nomads with an interesting gimmick.
A thousand years isn't nearly close to even half the history of some European nations, and a thousand more years isn't going to change anything. Everyone wants a piece of this continent, and everyone wants to use it to spread their own ideals. A homogenous Europe is a bit of a pipe dream, because we're all too strong-minded about our languages, philosophies and traditions.
However, a better EU is possible. There were many points of history when European nations managed to be cosmopolitan without each of them losing its unique charm. Rome, Constantinople, Paris, London... When the EU begins to serve its member-states' common interests and each country stops acting selfishly even as it hurts its neighbours, maybe a truly unified Europe will be possible.
In a way, the comparison with the Commonwealth is apt, except cultural appropriation wouldn't have to be forced to the same extent.
>>70531782
Because we give money to poor countries, like yours, and don't invest it in our own.
Also open borders. Fuck that.
The EU is a pile of shit.
>>70552961
Whoops, that went to >>70550933
>>70553139
Open borders?
Just fucking wait anon
http://ufmsecretariat.org/ufm-countries/
The refugee crisis only serves this project nicley
>>70548057
>be Dutch
>make referendum
>non binding
>>70531782
it's a great idea if it wasn't led by dodgy self-voted people who seems to want nothing but the destruction of the europe that others attempted to create
