Is your country even serious?
Please explain this to a foreigner.
I was watching this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFOwlMCdto
tl;dw;
CURRENT YEAR MAN is defending the fact registered voters should NOT be demanded proof of ID when voting because "muh freedom not to have ID".
How does your fucking country tells citizens from foreigners when it comes to vote?
Can anyone register randomly?
Is that how America works?
I mean, every fucking civilized country in the world checks your ID before voting in order to prevent frauds.
How comes a State has 500,000 sans papiers (i.e. people with no documents, no IDs, etc.). Are they even citizens?
I don't even know where /pol/ stands.
1. Some /pol/ libertarians -- followers of Michel Foucault maybe -- will defend the notion that IDs are just ways for the state to control you. So it is okay not to have one/
2. Others will say, as I think, that this whole system is dumb and idiot. And John Oliver is an idiot to support it.
>>70527831
Time for me to book a trip to America. Maybe I'll get to vote for Trump after all! IDs are also required here.
>>70527831
No illegal would ever attempt to vote illegally, that shit never happens. It's less than a dozen cases in over 2 decades. Blacks don't vote because they're niggers.
Saw an article a while back that said requiring ID is racist because blacks can't afford the ~$25 to get one.
>>70527831
Voter registration card. That's why. Why the fuck would I need an ID AND my voter registration card? Because voter fraud? Voter fraud is so fucking insignificant in the US that it's a waste of breathe to even bring it up.
Now, speaking of IDs; another thing that pisses me off is how my ID cannot be a substitute for my voter registration card. That's also horseshit. As long as you have one or the other, you should be good-to-go, IMO.
>>70528074
I don't get the old woman's case.
Okay, so there is this old woman who has been trapped in a catch 22 system. She cannot get ID because she is asked to provide IDs.
Fair enough. She's been wronged by stupid bureaucratic policies and this should be fixed.
However, THIS is not an argument against proper ID checks. Is it? It is just an argument against obnoxious bureaucratic practice.
>muh duh IDs are harder to get
>so nobody should be checked for ID in the US when voting
Fuck no. Just make them easier to get.
GG social security number
>>70527831
I actually voted for a tax increase in my state to provide citizens who don't have an identification card with one for voting purposes
shit got shot down though
>>70527831
It depends on the state faggot. Florida requires a photo ID.
>>70527831
How do you vote (democrat) multiple times as your dead relatives if you have to show ID???
It is clearly racism.
> WAH WE'RE SO BACKWARDS WHY CAN'T WE BE LIKE EVERY OTHER CIVILIZED WESTERN NATION!
> The rest of the world has Voting IDs.
> SHUT UP RACIST!
Your leftists are retarded pham.
i can't get my wisdom teeth cut out because i don't have an ID but apparently i'm able to cast a vote on who should run the country?
>>70528349
>Voter fraud is so fucking insignificant in the US that it's a waste of breathe to even bring it up.
How do you measure that though? Seems something that could easily skirt under the radar.
Illegals always vote democrat, so it's in current years interest to defy all logic and common sense.
>>70528349
It isn't necessary, you're right.
t. Voted twice in 2012 and 2014.
>>70528325
Mostly it's because inner city people don't drive so they don't have licenses. Judges only let voter I'd laws in if there is a free state I'd law afford. We are really sensitive about pol taxes/voting fees here.
I wish we would just follow that model everywhere and be done with it. Seriously though it just so happens that voter I'd laws make blacks who barely vote vote less.
>>70528349
>Voter registration card. That's why. Why the fuck would I need an ID AND my voter registration card? Because voter fraud? Voter fraud is so fucking insignificant in the US that it's a waste of breathe to even bring it up.
That's the typical redneck mentality, which is so common in the US.
I'll make an example for my old country.
In my fucking country of origin (actually less old than the US) the VOTER REGISTRATION CARD doesn't have your biometrics because the system is old. So it has no pic of you.
Consequently, the law states that IF the head of the voting office (where I show up in person) does not recognize me, they MAY ask for photo ID.
This is understandable because Photo IDs in my country are like mini-passports, they cost 5 € and the only requirement to have one is to be resident and citizen in the township where you apply for it. They last for 10 years.
Driving licences are considered to be a substitute.
So, basically:
1. You are born
2. Birth certificate is created at the demographic services. Doctors sign off to confirm the baby is born.
3. They give you a Tax File Number (equal to Social Security Number). It will be the same for your whole life.
4. When you turn 14-18 (I don't remember) you are given an ID no matter what. No matter if you drive or not, etc.
If you REALLY CANNOT AFFORD THE 5 EUROs, the township will pay for that.
Is it this hard?
Its the same in the UK, up until the Scottish referendum I'd done postal votes but I went to vote. At the polling station I was shocked that I needed no ID, I didn't even need my polling card. All they did was take my name and tick me off a list. If you know someone isn't going to vote, you can turn up with their name and address and vote. Not having ID as a requirement opens the system up to massive fraud.
>>70527831
The reason the left pushes the disenfranchisement meme so hard is to get illegals to vote for them. That's about all there is to it.
>>70528549
I agree it depends on the State.
But then why is it degenerate only in *some* states?
Democrats don't want ID laws because they like to put old blacks (who they claim are incapable of having the agency to get an ID) and illegals (who simply shouldn't be voting) onto busses and take them to polling stations so they can all vote D. They're crooked and the only argument they ever use against voter ID's is "Huurrr durr voter fraud doesn't real!"
>>70527831
>voting is a right
Here it's an obligation. I guess this is what Americans mean by freedom. Free to be lazy.
>it's racist because blacks and latinos don't carry ID
It's not that hard to just keep it on you. Pants and coats have pockets.
The last time I voted years ago (I'm Canadian) I almost couldn't, despite having been mailed a voter card, because none of my ID (didn't have a current driver license) had my address on it (basically, only your drivers license does, so no drivers license = no vote, which is ridiculous). I ended up being able to because I lived RIGHT where the polling place was, and showed them some mail with my name on it from the mailbox which was good enough at the time.
AFAIK, the problem with ID laws is that they have to show where you live, so most ID doesn't quality: passport, health card, military card, student card... all no good. That someone with a valid passport can't vote is obviously ridiculous.
>>70528349
Next election come to Chicago and I will show you wide spread voter fraud and intimidation.
It really is an open secret we had some polls vote 113% of registered voters for Obama last election, and yet strangely there was no investigations.
>>70528349
You need a voter registration card? Then as long as that card contains your verifiable info, it should be as good as an ID. I don't see the need for both.
When people said voters in the US don't need ID it sounded like they didn't need anything but their names and willing bodies.
>Americans don't need to have ID on them at all times
What?
I plan on voting 20 times for Trump in different districts all in the same state - no problem.
>>70528325
Convicted felons can't vote anyways
>>70528832
>>70528778
That's a very common law thing.
Southern European states all have IDs regardless of driving licences or not.
IDs are meant to bridge the gap between birth certificate and other registries.
So, e.g. when you turn 18 you receive your voter card based on what they have in the demographic registry. But the demographic registry doesn't have your picture. Consequently, you use your ID and it is a fucking double check.
>Double-entry bookkeeping systems.
They aren't fucking degenerate. They've been around since 1300.
>>70528349
>Voter registration card
What the fuck is that?
All you need to do is go to the polls and give them your name. Are you 12?
>>70528878
This is an accurate assessment.
>>70527831
ID is required even in a third world like Spain. Then again, we dont have electronic vote crap so even without ID we couldn't rig elections like Americans do (we only can chose between socialist, socialist sjw +, cuckservatives or moderate cuckervatives so it doesnt really matter).
>>70528883
>It's not that hard to just keep it on you. Pants and coats have pockets
It is when your pockets are full of crack pipes, EBTs, foodstamps and half eaten chicken wings
>>70528883
>Belgium
>>Here it's an obligation. I guess this is what Americans mean by freedom. Free to be lazy.
>Italy
>Voting is a right and a duty
>If you do not want to vote, you may show up and cast a blank ballot
>pic related
>If you don't want your ballot to be valid for the purpose of majority calculus (even if blank) you can nullify it by writing slurs and bad words on the ballot
>Anyway, nobody enforces the "duty" part. So some people just don't show up
>Frauds still occurs.
>Australia
>It's fucking compulsory
>No fucking blank ballots. You HAVE to choose a name
Australia is fucking ridiculous as well.
>>70528901
>The last time I voted years ago (I'm Canadian) I almost couldn't, despite having been mailed a voter card, because none of my ID (didn't have a current driver license) had my address on it (basically, only your drivers license does, so no drivers license = no vote, which is ridiculous). I ended up being able to because I lived RIGHT where the polling place was, and showed them some mail with my name on it from the mailbox which was good enough at the time.
Okay, but again that's an argument against bad bureaucracy. Not an argument against double-entry bookkeeping systems.
>>70529121
>That's a very common law thing.
>Southern European states all have IDs regardless of driving licences or not.
Southern European here and this anon is correct. In my country we all have ID voter cards, it's a non issue. I really don't understand what's the problem with Americans and ID cards. Isn't John Oliver British? They don't use ID identification when they vote?
>>70528901
>AFAIK, the problem with ID laws is that they have to show where you live
That's not a problem in most countries.
So why not change the ID laws?
As I recall, when I voted I needed
>My health card
>Two pieces of government mail with my address on it
I think the mail thing is kinda stupid but there's got to be some kind of way to prove you're a citizen.
>>70529276
It's counter to the anglo tradition to be required to possess ID. It's perfectly legal in the US and Canada anyway to possess no ID and to not be in any state registries.
Citizen registries and "papers" are for despotic continental police states.
I debated this with my polsci teacher and she basically said the big argument is that niggers in the rural south who were born in bath tubs and poverty have no access to birth records and subsequently ID.
I really can't refute that (yet) but I think its bullshit and shouldn't be used as an example for the rest of the country
>>70528937
>it should be as good as an ID.
They don't have pictures on it.
So you need both because you have to verify that the one who casts the ballot is the one entitled to and not a proxy.
People with disabilities should be able to vote by proxy, though, with appropriate policy.
So this is why showing up with voter's card shouldn't be sufficient. If I see somebody with a card and no picture on it, I ask: "can you prove it is you? Or did you steal it?"
At this point, photo ID is required.
>>70528964
How do they even...?
Whatever. I'll let it be.
>>70527831
>"Showing an ID is not too much to ask"
>"But are you sure about that"
>makes a strawman about eating fish on subway and facebook posts
I guess I could not have expected refutation since ITS 2016
>>70529374
How do nogs get foodstamps and EBTs (I assume this is some kind of welfare?) without identification?
>>70528349
>voter fraud is insignificant in the U.S.
Democrats wouldn't get elected without it.
>>70529500
Not British, but I remember there being a big controversy in the UK over whether to bring in national ID cards, since >>70529564 they've historically been considered a foreign tyranny unbefitting of free englishmen.
Don't recall whether they brought them in or not.
You need ID to register in every state.
/thread
>>70529129
>All you need to do is go to the polls and give them your name.
Wait is that all you need to do in America, to vote? And its considered valid?
There are other ways of identifying yourself without a stupid ID. I registered to vote when I got my license, so my identity is no longer in question. I just go to my assigned polling place, give them my name and address, go vote, and give my name and address again to the checkout. Stupid easy, no need for an id, and voter fraud barely exists in MA
>>70529728
you just have to be black to get welfare and stuff like that.
all niggers are the same so its not like you could tell them apart even if you had all of their names.
They probably all use the same picture even
>>70529500
No, my dear Franco... it seems that UK is fucked up as well.
Read here: >>70528832
Massive frauds and shit.
If I only think that, in Europe, we used to celebrate Anglo-saxon fair play and correctness... yet their countries are shit-tier.
US has a broken welfare system. Broken demographic services. For fucks sake, even broken police. You have to think of each State like a European State. They just share langauge and defence forces and currency.
So there are entire Departments in the US that do not communicate info to each other. So you can have an ID card to buy booze and yet not be resident in the State and still get welfare just because.
Oregon is trying to introduce ID checks as a way to prevent illegals from getting a driving licence by simply taking the exam!
USA are so fucked up m8.
>>70527831
Vote by mail. Absentee Ballots don't require you to show ID.
>>70529530
It's to prove where you live, since voting is by riding.
That's really the sticking point: many people (who move around a lot) can easily prove they're Canadian; many others (who stay in one place) can prove where they live, but you need to prove both.
>>70529596
Which is bullshit because if you don't have a birth record you can register for one so long as you have anything from report cards to hospital visits.
>>70527831
A brit telling me "what america is all about" kekkekekekekekekekekek
>>70528906
Like it or not, there's no evidence that proper voter fraud is significant in the USA. And you can't use the same voter registration card to vote twice, unless someone makes a clerical error. If there are significant clerical errors, your core problem running a retarded polling place, not voter fraud.
A commentary: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/map_of_the_week/2012/09/voter_id_laws_a_state_by_state_map_reveals_how_much_voter_fraud_there_is_in_the_united_states_almost_none_.html
Some hard analysis:
http://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/publications/Analysis.pdf
http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/voterfraud102408.pdf
>>70529564
I agree. It shouldn't be mandatory to have an ID per se. Here any person over 14 years old can be legally arrested for identification if you don't carry your ID with you.
That's absusive in my opinion, howerver I believe you shouldn't be able to vote without proper identification.
>>70529728
You just have to be black, bring your numerous family and start hollering in the welfare office. The clerks want to have as few problems as possible.
We have the exact same problem with gypsies. The difference is that everyone hates gypsies here unlike your niggers who are tolerated
>>70528349
40million illegals here and voter fraud isn't an issue. Fuck off cuck.
>>70529831
And North Dakota, a state where you can vote without registering, you still must provide ID to vote.
/thread again
>>70529564
>It's counter to the anglo tradition to be required to possess ID. It's perfectly legal in the US and Canada anyway to possess no ID and to not be in any state registries.
>Citizen registries and "papers" are for despotic continental police states.
No. I'll tell you what.
The problem is that Anglo countries are 100% dispotic. So the only way to get away with freedom is to NOT have a law about something. As soon as something enters the legislative process of an Anglo State, your freedom is fucked because you know they will enforce it to the bone -- those fucking fascists.
Instead, Southern European countries are more flexible when they apply the law. More lax. A bit corrupt maybe. So for example we have the law that says you should ALWAYS have an ID with you at all times.
But people take it as a suggestion rather than a law. How many times I got away without an ID on me? Too many to recall properly. I lost count.
So yeah, our countries are so little dispotic that you can pass laws and have people use them as guidelines rather than actual things to enforce.
This is why Italy has degrees of bans:
>Forbidden to smoke [vietato fumare]
>Strictly forbidden to smoke [severamente vietato fumare]
What's the "strictly" adverb all about? It's there in some signposts because it is well known Italians use laws as guidelines unless told: "Hey dude, we actually want to enforce this!"
>>70530200
AFAIK it's similar here in Korea (requirement to carry ID, report change of address), although in years here I've never been asked for ID for anything other than getting other ID.
>>70527831
Wisconsin just had its first election with voter ID law. Highest turnout in 30+ years.
>>70527831
In Canada your can now vote with a mask on to please mudslimes. Since they all collect welfare checks under several fake ID, I guess they can vote several time too.
>>70527831
Can you fucking pol morons please do some research before you post stupid shit like this?
I will not do your research for you, but in a nutshell:
Requiring someone to have state id to vote means they will have to pay for that id. Thats the equivalent of a
>poll tax (google it)
which is tantamount to
>charging ppl to vote,
which is illegal.
Voter fraud committed at the polls
>doesnt exist
because it would take
>more people than is physically or mathematically possible
to commit.
>WILL YOU FUCKING MORONS PLEASE WAKE UP?
>>70530223
But muh speculation!
What do you propose the illegals are doing? Mugging people for their voter registration cards instead of their cash?
You don't need voter fraud to justify ID laws. Far poorer and more populous countries have ID laws. Voter fraud can take place without being acknowledged if no one notices the dead people voting or if niggers vote for each other because they're too damn lazy.
It depends on the state. New York is insanely easy to register and vote under somebody else's name.
>>70527831
If we checked ID then Dems couldn't rig the vote with all the illegals.
>>70527831
the comments section is mind boggling. People are literally arguing that poor people working 2-3 jobs don't have time to go to the DMV because of their the dmv's open hours. Then how in the fuck will they have time to go vote?
>>70528349
>Voter fraud is so fucking insignificant in the US that it's a waste of breathe to even bring it up.
Voter fraud is rampant in the US. Why do you think the libtards and kicking and screaming about voter ID? The less fraud allowed in US elections the less Democrats get elected. Simple as that.
>>70529831
>>70530262
Does the voters' registry have photos of the voters?
>>70530197
>dead people voting isn't voterfraud
>there is no system to shows if there is voter fraud so we don't know it is officially happening
>>70528349
>Voter fraud is so fucking insignificant in the US that it's a waste of breathe to even bring it up.
Why not require voter IDs? The only reasons anyone ever has are the difficulties in getting one. But if you can't even get a voter ID, why should you be allowed to vote?
The only reason anyone argues against voter IDs is because
>their voter base is too stupid and useless to get a voter ID, or
>they want to make fraud easier
>>70530380
I agree voter fraud doesn't actually happen at any scale worth considering, but not because it's impossible, but simply because nobody bothers.
>>70527831
I've watched Mexicans ( no joke no English spoken) buses in to vote in Lawton Oklahoma to insure extra votes during the Obama campaign second term they had names like John smith Alexander Tom and even native American names I looked through a obituary and the native amarican name had died recently. Where I'm from the dead sometimes vote it's funny though.
>>70527831
These libtards are fucking idiots
There's a shit ton of studies that show that even the strictest voting laws barely do anything at all to outcomes.
>>70530503
I think it's a requirement in many places someone be given time off to vote if necessary.
Election is happening here in Korea in a couple days and it's a holiday for most people.
I genuinely don't understand why the fuck are americans so especially backwards in so many ways.
Romania is more or less a third world country and we still get an ID card like pic related. We just get it, at 14 and another one at 18 years old. You don't need to do a driving license or fuck around with shit, you just get it once you reach that age and you have to do so, everyone has to.
>>70530396
I see your point, but come the fuck on my fellow Ameribros. Our voter participation rate is fucking pathetic and people just want to add yet another hurdle? If you have your ID OR voter registration card, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO VOTE. PERIOD. Right now? You need a voter registration card to be able to vote at your local polling place, you must register ahead of time, and your name must be on the list with a registration number that matches the card you brought. Why the fuck would you require another form of ID ON FUCKING TOP OF the asinine one that you have to provide regardless? Because you think an illegal might mug you for your voter registration card?
>>70527831
because shills on his side would never get elected if they didn't pander to illegal voters
>>70530533
>Does the voters' registry have photos of the voters?
What would that matter?
>>70530701
If you could prove this you would have and won a Pulitzer Prize.
>>70530380
I'm still fine with this.
If you don't have a driver's license, or even a state ID card of some sort, its pretty much a guarantee that you are either
A: Someone who has never had a job before
B: An illegal immigrant
C: Some dude on vacation in America
None of which should be allowed to vote anyway
You need to register before you can vote, and in order to do that you need to be able to prove your citizenship. That's why we don't require ID in many states, because the proof is in the registration. The poll workers find your name and address on their list and then you go vote.
>>70528098
>wouldn't attempt
There are catlady campaigns that get illiterate Mexicans to vote left.
Here in California you will see bussloads of wetbacks vote at once with thier spinster handlers. I'm not even joking.
>>70530197
>Like it or not, there's no evidence that proper voter fraud is significant in the USA.
Let an Italian tell you this, very clearly: the fact there's no evidence for fraud, it doesn't mean there is no fraud.
Lack of evidence of absence is not the same as lack of absence.
>>70530813
So fuck young people in cities with public transport and the disabled I guess?
>find a group of 20 people
>vote again in every district because nobody checks whether you voted or not
>500+ votes for a candidate from 20 people
Why not abuse this, /pol/acks? I bet liberals will demand ID laws if conservatives start abusing this system against liberal bullshit.
>Non country
>People check ID when voting
Get your act together American
Voter suppression is not real
>>70530862
this
>>70530874
Except unlike in Italy we actually investigate allegations of voter fraud here.
>>70528778
>what is a state ID
Caan git turnip'd in da club wit no ID u dumbass white mother fucka
>>70530874
Voter ID laws disproportionately disenfranchise the elderly, the poor, and minorities, but are a "solution" to a problem which simply doesn't exist. Here's some useful research on the subject:
http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/Democracy/VRE/Challenge_of_Obtaining_Voter_ID.pdf
make photo ID's free of charge if they are mandatory
>>70530701
I call bullshit. IF somebody had the power to issue voter registration cards fraudulently in their state (i.e. the state's secretary is on board), then they'd have the fucking power to issue fraudulent IDs as well. Or what's to stop them from simply controlling the polling place? How deep does this conspiracy go?
>>70530380
>Requiring someone to have state id to vote means they will have to pay for that id. Thats the equivalent of a
>>poll tax (google it)
>which is tantamount to
>>charging ppl to vote,
>which is illegal.
You guys are going too easy with inferentialism.
The fact you have to pay for ID does not automatically entail you have to pay to vote.
You should have an ID with you at all times anywhere you go. Full stop.
The fact such ID is required ALSO to vote doesn't mean you pay cash to vote.
Fuck no, man.
Or is it legal in the US to loiter around without IDs on you?
>>70530008
>nogs born in tubs
>report cards
>Be right-wing Republican state
>Pass voter ID laws
>Close down ID-issuing offices
>Leave open the ones that poor/elderly/disabled people can't get to
>Now poor people can't vote.
>>70530813
I've never seen or heard of someone having a state of card.
>>70530981
>Voter suppression is not real
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8
That's the Pennsylvania House Republican leader explaining how voter ID is voter suppression, to applause.
>carry your ID with you and only legal citizens vote
vs
>literally anyone voting
I don't see how a rational human bean would think the former is something belonging in a democracy.
Having a fare and lawful election is not considered "freedumb" in the States?
>>70531100
see >>70531159
this is what they do to keep the poor, disabled, and minorities from voting.
Even when it's "Free" it's easy to make it impossible for people to get them
>>70531212
>>literally anyone voting
It's not "literally anyone voting."
You have to REGISTER months in advance in order to get on the voter lists.
In order to register, you have to PROVE your citizenship.
>>70528349
>Voter registration card. That's why. Why the fuck would I need an ID AND my voter registration card?
Because without ID verification it allows people to sell their vote to third parties. Poor people will give away their vote for a few bucks.
>>70531278
Several states have same day registration but you still have to prove your citizenship.
>>70531223
Just fucking make a federal-level ID card for everyone what the fuck is so hard to understand.
This is so fucking retarded it hurts, I can't believe that muriclaps actually have this kind of problem.
>>70530727
You can thank the millions of dumb fuck socialist voters for that, as long as the Democrats keep promising them DUDE FREE SHIT LMAO they'll keep voting them into power.
Also, dat nigga looks like Rolf, smdh
>>70531223
dont try to get your id a day before a huge election?
>>70527831
I can't speak for other states, but here in Missouri you can get a state issued ID for about $10 with only some basic documents. Not sure why people are acting like that's impossible for the poor to come up with.
>>70531187
Don't provide facts in this thread, the GOP fags will just rebuttal with their oh-so-valuable speculation and their shit understanding of the American election process.
>>70531119
So let's not make any control AT ALL and rely on people's bona fide.
HA
Ha
ha
>>70531296
>Because without ID verification it allows people to sell their vote to third parties. Poor people will give away their vote for a few bucks.
Voter ID laws wouldn't stop people from selling their vote.
I mean fuck, it might take longer and require a camera phone, but you could still do it.
>>70531383
>dont try to get your id a day before a huge election?
How the fuck does that solve anything when the nearest office is 100 miles away and you're too poor/disabled to get there? It's a voter suppression strategy that, unfortunately, works. That's why they do it.
The real voter fraud is the ongoing right-wing voter suppression attempts that take place all across this country.
>>70531375
We don't have a federal ID and people don't want one.
>>70530966
libcucks already do this. People were bussing illegal immigrants and other non-registered voters to the polls in 2008 and 2012. That's how Obama got elected. It's fucked up Hans.Too bad there isn't a way we could remove these people who sway elections through voter fraud... put them in a concentrated group... at some sort of facility or area...
>>70527831
india has them, we dont
its retarded
>>70531410
If you can't read a three sentence comment, GTFO
Dude current year lmao
>>70528098
>No illegal would ever attempt to vote illegally
I guess I'll just take your word for it
>>70531030
This.
Wife doesn't have a license because crippling anxiety when she tried to learn to drive. She's got a state ID though.
>>70528349
Where I live you don't have to show either of them. I was confused and sad.
>>70529118
They can in most states.
>>70528349
>Voter fraud is so fucking insignificant in the US that it's a waste of breathe to even bring it up.
Yeah the Jew on TV told me so!
>>70531577
You need to report that polling place to the state. They have to follow federal election laws.
>>70531601
If by most you mean 2
>>70531159
99% of people have IDs
even my drifter friend has one (so he can buy alcohol and smokes)
you just have to make the effort to get one
>>70531051
So basically the argument is
"we are a 3rd World Country" so we cannot afford to check people's ID.
In my country people get their transportation paid to do that shit.
Social services go around with a car and take people.
Family ties are strong. Grandsons pick up their granmas and take them to the voting place.
>pic related
If you are sick, they take the ballot box to the hospital for infirm people to cast their vote.
If you cannot even afford this, you are not a country but a hellhole.
Your argument:
>Muh country is degenerate
>So it should remain degenerate
>>70531638
There's no federal law against felon voting.
>>70531187
>Nearly all semi functioning democracies got some Voter ID requirement
>All those voters in those countries are being suppressed in one form or the other
Is this another American's "non"-issue like abortion again?
I never heard any one from EU, or East Asia (that has proper election Korea, Japan) complaining about this in their home country.
>>70528098
in other news, gun control works because studies show criminals won't break the law
>>70531621
So far, I've counted three different voter fraud analyses/investigations provided in this thread. Not a single shit poster claiming it's a big thing has provided fuck all.
>>70528349
We don't even get voter regestration cards in New York. They have a book with every voter's signature and you have to sign on a blank piece of paper and they match it.
>Americans can't vote online
Toppest of the keks
>First world
When I voted in the primary (North Carolina) you had to show ID. I have known one of the workers there for nearly 12 years and he still asked me for my ID.
>>70531379
Dude, I come from a literal communist country that was also lead by literal next-gen commies (social democrats) for over half the time since Ceausescu fell.
This is not about libs or cons, this is just plain fucking common sense. It's a piece of imprinted plastic, it costs virtually nothing. Just take a little bit from your budget and put it in a proper system.
I recently lost my ID card. It took me 30 minutes to request another one, one week later it came through my mail. I only had to pay like 2 dollars (and that because I lost it).
I mean, how the fuck do people in america identify themselves in front of cops? How do you get reductions for ticket sales or student reductions for transport? How do you register for various activities, how do you prove your real name when opening a bank account?
>>70531385
>Not sure why people are acting like that's impossible for the poor to come up with.
They know that's not the issue. The real issue is they're too stupid and lazy to go to the right place and fill out a form ahead of time. The only way they can get these people to vote is to bus them to the place themselves and tell them exactly what to do.
>>70528074
you would most likely get away with it.
>>70531703
Re-read the comment stream you replied to. You're off topic, as we weren't discussing felons, we we're discussing requirements to vote.
>>70531212
>human bean
>>70527831
this is so fucking stupid. it's an obvious ploy by liberals to allow illegal aliens to vote, since they will vote Democrat. there is literally no way whatsoever that no-ID voting isn't begging for fraud. it's not pro-racist to demand ID, it's anti-corruption. but libcucks are brainwashed into supporting this bullshit so easily that it's sickening.
gg, burgers. it's all ogre.
>>70531695
Allow me to correct him.
>we can afford it, but the people suggesting these laws never structure them in a way which won't inconvenience people because these laws aren't designed to ensure only the right people vote, they are designed to ensure that only the "right" people vote
Could we provide free photo voter IDs in a manner which wouldn't disenfranchise anyone? Yes.
Is that the point? No.
the gov should help people get IDs, not keep us 3rd world tier and not require IDs
>>70531713
Not all voter ID laws are created equal, dipshit.
And like has been said repeatedly in this thread, EVERY state requires you to provide some form of ID at some step of the voting process.
In person voter fraud is not a problem. No buses full of illegals or blacks are being taken around to polling stations to vote.
You are registered and assigned a polling place. It would take one hell of an effort find registered names, polling places and send out an army of people to try and vote in the place of other registered voters. It would also become pretty obvious when registered voters found themselves having already voted when they haven't.
The truth is the Republican party knows it can only win through disenfranchisement and intimidation (you'll be arrested if you owe taxes/child support and show up to vote, etc.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8
>>70531839
cucks like you need to go away
if you dont have an ID you basically cant participate in society
we should get people fucking IDs
not be huge cucks like yourself and defend this shit
>>70531223
The problem with you Americans is the following one:
>Let's require ID
>O no. If we require ID, getting an ID should be easier
>How to make getting an ID easier?
>We need some welfare policies and easy to understand rules. People will need transportation and poor people will need social services to help them to get an ID.
>BUT THAT'S SOCIALISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSM! WE CANNOT ALLOW SOCIALISM. WE CANNOT SPEND TAXPAYERS MONEY TO HELP PEOPLE DEAL BETTER WITH STATE BUREAUCRACY. THIS WOULD BE SOCIALISM!
>>70531858
>the gov should help people get IDs
If you can't handle getting an ID we don't need you voting.
>>70531278
>In order to register, you have to PROVE your citizenship.
By means of an ID.
It's no surprise that most of the people who support no-ID voting are democrats, they want it to be as easy as possible to commit voter fraud. This shit is so bad that a European on vacation or an illegal could BS their way into voting in certain states.
Does /pol/ remember when tens of thousands of dead people voted for Bill Clinton?
>>70531324
>Several states have same day registration but you still have to prove your citizenship.
By means of ID.
>>70528325
isn't it way more racist to suggest that an entire ethnic group can't come up with 25 fucking dollars? you can panhandle 25 dollars no problem in less than a day. like, even if you don't have a good angle you still can. (source: heroin-addict brother who has never, ever failed to get 20 bucks panhandling, and has never spent more than 3-4 hours getting it)
>>70531379
>You can thank the millions of dumb fuck socialist voters for that, as long as the Democrats keep promising them DUDE FREE SHIT LMAO they'll keep voting them into power.
I thought voting IDs were considered socialist in the US.
>>70531621
>the Jew on TV
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228837075_Less_Than_Fundamental_The_Myth_of_Voter_Fraud_and_the_Coming_of_the_Second_Great_Disenfranchisement
>>70527831
Well Ausfaila, the reason why is because Voter IDs laws usually violate the 24th Amendment because it tantamounts to a poll tax where a person needs to buy the ID in order to vote. Republicans try to get round this by saying they'd have the state pay of the ID, however it really actually happens. Also ID laws are strongly biased in favor Republican electorates. I.E. A gun license is a legitimate form of ID, but a Student ID isn't. As for people just showing up to vote, you need to register to vote and have proof of residency to stop that tin foiled voter fraud that never happens.Plus on same day voting, a newly registered voter is given an absentee ballot so the vote won't count until their information is confirmed.
>>70528906
The source is your ass for this one as someone who actually lives in Chicago. We don't need to have the dead vote anymore because of how badly Republicans are at governing, like how Rauner's jihad against the Unions is destroying the state economically where he refuses to compromise on anything and he'd rather shit on every child program.
>>70531695
>"we are a 3rd World Country" so we cannot afford to check people's ID.
we are a 3rd world country, everyone has an id and uses it to vote, 80% turnout on avg.
>>70531473
>Voter ID laws wouldn't stop people from selling their vote.
That's a completely different issue.
>>70527831
> no proof of ID
Where I am we get ID'd at the polls. Current year man isn't American so his opinion on this subject is Moot.
>>70531695
No, that's not the argument. The argument is that voter ID laws are a policy that is put in place SPECIFICALLY TO DISENFRANCHISE PEOPLE. It is intentional voter suppression by Republican legislatures meant to ensure that certain people, legal citizens, are not able to vote.
And, sadly, the strategy works.
>>70531916
And yes, instead of telling both Parties (which holding 2 very difference yet still have that little overlap in term of demand) in your damn state to get a proper voting ID law pass lets just sit on our hands and yelling it can't be done
Yes, that will show them
>>70532124
Why the fuck do you need to "buy the ID"? Just make it a necessary expense at a federal level and give it away for free or very cheap like normal countries do.
>>70532119
>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228837075_Less_Than_Fundamental_The_Myth_of_Voter_Fraud_and_the_Coming_of_the_Second_Great_Disenfranchisement
>David Schultz
Every time.
>>70531984
>we should get people fucking IDs
And I'd be fine with that if it was done right, but nobody is going to propose doing it right because
1. It would be expensive
2. It would be a waste of time (in person voter fraud is rare to the point of nonexistent)
That something can be done doesn't mean it's worth doing.
>>70528901
>>70529530
For the record, to vote in a Federal Election in Canada you just need either.
1 of
Drivers License or ID Card. Both have photo ID and your address. ID card is 20 bucks and lasts 5 years. Requirements to get ID card are the same as the following.
2 of
Health Card, Passport, Birth Certificate, Social Insurance(Security) Number, Old Age Card, Military ID, Various Indian ID systems, Prescription Bottle, Bank Card, Student Card, Library Card, Firearms License, Utility Bill, any school letter(Like your transcript or shit),
A FUCKING LETTER FROM A VOLUNTEER AT A SOUP KITCHEN OR SHIT SAYING WHO ARE YOU.
Or 3
Have someone vouch for you.
>>70528325
Yeah if they want to ship IDs by mail to people for free or otherwise make it effortless to get an ID then I'm OK with it. But requiring IDs disenfranchises poorer voters who have less money and transportation means.
>>70529118
>Convicted felons can't vote anyways
It's funny you say this because it's more or less how Bush stole 2000 and 2004.
>>70532267
>His last name means we can ignore everything he has to say
Kill yourself. There is zero evidence that Voter fraud even exists to any significant degree, not to mention the lack of a compelling government interest in the first place.
>>70531984
>we should get people fucking IDs
Here's the problem: The Republicans passing these laws have NO interest in getting people IDs. in fact, they specifically make it HARDER for them to get their ID. Why? Because the entire purpose of the laws are to stop certain American citizens from voting.
>>70532057
It varies by state so the documentation provided isn't necessarily something designed to establish identity (ie is ID), but generally if real it would only be in the possession of a particular person
>>70532358
>It's not the Jews on TV, let me show you this Jew article to persuade you
lol nice try JIDF
>>70532169
And I'm not the one who brought it up.
Don't bitch at me for a valid counterargument.
>>70532233
Okay, I can argue back that rejecting voter ID laws is a strategy that is put in place SPECIFICALLY TO FORGE GHOST VOTERS. It is intentional voter creation by Democratic legislatures meant to ensure that certain people, illegal citizens, are able to vote.
And, sadly, the strategy works.
>>70532260
Because Voter ID in America is nothing but a political tool for voter suppression. Poor and Minority voters tend to not have state or 'required' IDs under voter ID laws. These people rarely vote for the party who pass said Voter ID laws.
Our highest court just struck down part of the Voter Rights Act that required states with a history of state sponsored discrimination to get any new voter laws approved by the Attorney General (top law enforcement officer of the country) before passing it. Guess where a flood of new voter suppression laws got passed that targeted the poor and minorities?
>>70532235
>And yes, instead of telling both Parties (which holding 2 very difference yet still have that little overlap in term of demand) in your damn state to get a proper voting ID law pass lets just sit on our hands and yelling it can't be done
I'm not yelling it can't be done.
I'm posting it could be done but would be a waste of time and money.
>>70528349
>Voter fraud is so fucking insignificant in the US that it's a waste of breathe to even bring it up.
http://www.newsmax.com/US/Carolina-voter-fraud-zombies/2014/04/03/id/563542/
36000 cases in NC alone, with dead people voting and people voting in MULTIPLE STATES.
This is why we need ID cards that show your state of residence.
>>70528832
No it's not you lying cunt. You literally have to register a month before.
>>70532054
How does voter ID prevent election fraud in that case? If dead people are voting en masse, you have a far bigger problem than that. After all, why go through all that trouble to get people to vote, en masse, as dead people (like some loud mouth idiot wouldn't spill the beans on that; spoiler: people suck at keeping secrets) when you could just have shills counting the votes and/or running the polling place instead?
Relevant quote: "It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes" - Joseph Stalin.
>>70532358
Just because a crime isn't documented doesn't mean it didn't happen
kill yourself back to red.dit
>>70532268
>(in person voter fraud is rare to the point of nonexistent)
Because John Oliver said so.
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT MATE.
>>70532495
No, you can't argue that because there is no evidence to support it. On the other hand, there is an entire process involved in disenfranchising people through voter ID laws that is put into action in states all across the country. Politicians ADMIT that the goal is to stop certain citizens from voting. The evidence is right here in this thread. Yet, for some reason, you retards have no interest in looking at the evidence. All you are is a dishonest ideologue who wants things his way regardless of the facts of the situation.
>>70530351
Of course cops don't go asking for ID and arresting people who doesn't carry one at the moment, just because. They're entitled to, legally, though. I mean if you're gonna party and get drunk and act like a monkey, you better carry you ID just in case.
In my state, you register before hand (preset deadline prior to voting day) and when you get to your assigned polling place, they have a notebook with all the registered voters' names on stickers that peel out and are affixed on your ballot. So you show up and tell them your name and they find it put it on your ballot and then you take it to another person so they can activate the voting machine.
My state now has voter ID, but previously there were no safe guards against having your vote stolen. All you needed was a person's name and address so you could find their polling place. But of course, the NAACP has been protesting ever since the law was passed because it "disenfranchises minorities". They had the audacity to call their weekly obstruction of state functions and waste of state resources "moral Mondays".
>>70527831
what do you expect? it's murica. they have fast food chains printing god bless america on their paper bags.
Do many amerifats actually have no ID?
>>70532651
>no safe guards against having your vote stolen
Show me evidence that this is a problem in America. You can't, because it isn't. Fuck off.
>>70532542
>36000 cases in NC alone, with dead people voting and people voting in MULTIPLE STATES.
You realize that report has been audited and once you remove all the false positives from fucked up forms and multiple people having the same name (99.99% of those cases were literally nothing), and other random bullshit, all of ZERO were in person voter fraud, the type of bullshit these laws are designed to stop, right?
>>70532528
>Poor and Minority voters tend to not have state or 'required' IDs under voter ID laws.
The solution to this has been stated MANY MANY MANY times.
Make the ID fucking FREE.
>>70532528
>Because Voter ID in America is nothing but a political tool for voter suppression. Poor and Minority voters tend to not have state or 'required' IDs under voter ID laws. These people rarely vote for the party who pass said Voter ID laws.
But that's a problem of how the voter ID law is written.
It is an argument against *some* badly written or maliciously written voter ID laws. But it is not an argument against voter ID laws in general, as Jew Oliver says.
>>70532699
people who don't drive or work i.e. you guessed it
>>70527831
I need to carry ID just to leave my home.
Not having ID on me at all time is a crime.
>>70528964
>Netherlanders need an ID on them at all times
Woah, man. Fucking Überwachungsstaat.
Here you are only required to HAVE an ID once you turn 16. You are not required to CARRY it.
>>70527831
I want to go to America and vote for Trump.
>>70532738
[CITATION NEEDED]
>>70532586
No, because all those reports John Oliver cited, and many more on top of that, said so.
You could count on fingers and toes the number of in person voter fraud cases each year.
>>70532742
>Give dindus "free" IDs so they can 100% vote for more "free" shit
>>70532699
Barely anyone, the "people can't get IDs" problem is blown out of proportion by libcucks almost as much as the "everyone gets $100k medical bills every other week."
>>70532528
>Poor and Minority voters tend to not have state or 'required' IDs under voter ID laws.
Bullshit you need an ID to get welfare they have no problem doing that
>>70532776
In your glorious protectorate, everyone over the age of 15 needs to be able to prove their identity when an officer requires him to.
Not having your ID on you means 20 euro fine and you still have to prove your identity.
>>70532742
>Make the ID fucking FREE.
And how many times do we have to tell you that it doesn't matter because they find OTHER ways to stop people from getting them??
see >>70531159
this is done in states all across the country. IDs are made harder, not easier, to get because the goal isn't to get people IDs in the first place. The goal is to suppress the vote.
>>70532745
It's not a problem with the law. It's a problem with the fact that the laws are put into place and used in a way that specifically makes it impossible for certain people to vote.. INTENTIONALLY.
>>70528098
>previously had no way to verify a person's identity because no IDs were checked
>therefore we shouldn't require ID because there is no evidence for this thing we had no way of gathering evidence of
>>70532542
Finally, someone on your side provides a fucking link.
Problem is, you didn't read the article. The article notes that it was being investigated, as of TWO YEARS AGO, but where are the fucking results of that investigation? Fox News would have had a massive 6 month circle jerk over it.
>>70532786
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/voter-fraud-north-carolina-not-so-fast-0
>>70532699
Until recently the only picture IDs were passports and Drivers Licenses. Now you see lots of banks doing picture ID bank cards, and states are now passing a lot of gov't issued picture IDs. But I'd say most 18 year olds have at least 1 form of picture ID
>>70528964
You do. You can get arrested if you get stopped by the police and don't have it on you
>>70532846
that cartoon is retarded on so many levels I can't even begin to say why
>>70527831
Anyone should be able to vote, even non citizens!!! Cmon, it's the current year guyz.
>>70532573
>http://www.newsmax.com/US/Carolina-voter-fraud-zombies/2014/04/03/id/563542/
Okay, let's make a game, /pol/.
When somebody is of voting age, you provide them with a special card. Let's say it is magnetic, but it can be something more complex. E.g. hardly forgeable or some stuff.
Now this person knows that the card is tantamount to the right to vote.
They can give it to somebody else. But then they cannot complain.
If it gets stolen or lost, they have to report it and be issued a new one, the former being invalidated.
Would it be easier?
It's not to the s
Democucks advantage to force illegals and nignogs to have IDs to vote. So.e States require them though. I have to show mine everytime I vote.
Is online voting inevitable?
>>70532957
>http://www.msnbc.com
Nice source faggot
There is literally no rational reason to not require an ID to vote other than MUH RASISMS MUH FEELS
>>70532619
Fuck the police.
When I'm home in Canada, when the police ask me who I am / what I'm doing (which is often, despite being a clean cut white guy, because they have fuck all else to do) I ask them "Are you searching for a suspect in a crime fitting my description in this area?" and otherwise tell them it's none of their business.
You don't have to be a drippy-lefty to be against voter ID laws and "carding". Once you give in on having to carry/show ID, it's only a matter of time until they start tracking your movements and who knows what else...
>>70527831
Someone kill this fucking anglo.
Here's how voting works in Romania:
> you already have an ID because everyone has it, even gypsies. It's practically free, you only need basic documents like birth certificate, place of residence and some guy takes a photo of you and then you got your id a week later.
> during elections, you go to the local voting precinct and vote and show the ID beforehand and get a little stamp on the back of it
That's it. Everyone is happy. The only you can not vote in an election day is if you lost that ID card somehow around that time and couldn't get one back.
>>70532846
>nigger
>in combat arms
doesn't exist
It's also funny how democrats only support the military when it's convenient for them
>>70533109
Why do you even bother to have a discussion if you aren't going to listen to reason or evidence? Literally all you want to do is cry about your opinion over and over again without supporting ANY of it with reality.
You fucking conservatards are the lowest scum of the earth.
>>70527831
How does it feel to know that a limey is telling Americans what to think?
Get rid of your IDs, your British overlords demand it.
>>70532742
>Republican backed law
>Free service from the government
The funding ALWAYS gets 'tied up' so the voter has to foot the bill. (Surprise, the poor can't.) Also they have a tendency to shut down Department of State offices in poor neighborhoods so they can't get a State ID even if they want to get it.
>>70532745
Didn't bother to watch Modern Age Man's video, but voter ID laws in America are always written with malicious intent to suppress the vote. Been this way since the beginning of the country. Just now you have one party who has openly admitting it for the past 30 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw
>>70528349
What the fuck is a voter registration card? We just use our ID here in CA
>>70532986
>stopped by the police
Are you referring to driving?
No shit you can get into trouble for driving without a driver's license.
But that's not an ID.
>>70532742
You'd still presumably need to show various documents that may be difficult for some: utility bills, birth certificate, affidavits by "professionals" (doctors, lawyers, etc. vouching for your identify).
>>70528349
I know right? It's not like voter registration cards are easy as hell to fake, unlike an actual ID.
>>70531159
>>70531223
do you have even 1 piece of evidence to back that up buddy?
>>70532846
Dumb piece of shit its not difficult to get an ID, just use your driver's license or something, this comic is retarded on so many levels
>>70532717
I can't because there was no way to gather this evidence before places started requiring ID to vote. Are you fucking retarded?
>>70531408
>facts
>>70532598
>All you are is a dishonest ideologue who wants things his way regardless of the facts of the situation.
>>70532300
>>70528834
>>70531051
>>70531839
>>70531965
>The truth is the Republican party knows it can only win through disenfranchisement and intimidation
>>70533373
>pic
Sauce
>>70533232
>The funding ALWAYS gets 'tied up' so the voter has to foot the bill. (Surprise, the poor can't.)
Liar
You need an ID to get welfare and the niggers have no problem with that
>>70527831
Here in Germany, the IDs of voters are only checked in bigger areas.
If you vote for your local village, the amount of people coming to vote (voting is generally done at a bar or a school or kindergarten and is always on Sunday) is so low that the people there can remember your face well enough to know if you are trying to go twice. Also, everyone basically knows everyone else in the village.
Checking ID is only done when there's actual risk of fuckery. Or if someone looks shady.
I'm assassinating john Oliver under a leftist guise. I have a opening to do so in October and I've planned up to 80% so far.
Screen shot this.
>>70533340
Yes, there is a wealth of information regarding these issues in the report I linked to here >>70531051
>>70532758
But that's not even true. Those people are receiving government assistance, which requires proof of ID to sign up for and collect.
>>70533262
A volunteer at the soup kitchen or homeless shelter is not a "professional" and as I said works just fine in Canada. Or ya know, the third option of just getting someone else who has ID to vouch for you.
>>70533109
>Nice source faggot
How about you find me a source that show how many people were prosecuted out of all those "potential" voter frauds, which have been discredited?
I can't help it that Fox doesn't go back and explain that bullshit voter fraud hysteria they helped create was bullshit.
>>70527831
>USA
>Register to Vote
what kind of fucking system is this
>>70533417
You are creating a fallacy that all poor people are on welfare. Or that there are more white people on welfare than blacks. I get you're just a reactionary, but you aren't doing your side any good by not posting any actual arguments.
>>70532673
Listen to me, Germanbro.
We are both Europeans and we know some tricks Americans don't.
All these people here might be right about the disenfranchisement attempt.
But fact is that we (you and I) both know that the idea frauds do not exist because America is a nice place is bullshit from here to Tokyo.
>>70528074
This
International TRUMP Troops assemble!
Canada also has voter ID laws.
Canada also has these anti-ID faggots demanding the laws removed.
Hopefully the majority (Cons & Libs) doesn't allow that to pass.
>>70527831
>I mean, every fucking civilized country in the world checks your ID before voting in order to prevent frauds.
Don't force me to dispell your shit mister president.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q7D3uM93Es
>>70533518
>muh fox
you know msmbc has the most opinion based reporting right?
>>70528349
Especially triggering is if you have a state that partipates in a REAL ID system. My state (New Hampshire) opted out because the federal government can go fuck itself, but now we need passports for domestic flights. Aint that some bullshit cucking from the fed?
>>70527831
I opened a similar thread months ago and I agree 100%
I really can't understand how this retarded shit is even an issue
>>70533165
Fuck you. Post-9/11 GI Bill wouldn't exist without democrats and I'd be broke as shit. Republicans love giving hundreds of billions of dollars to military contractors each year (one of the biggest fucking lobbies there is) under the guise of "we support the troops!" but when it comes to taking care of them when they get home, they couldn't care less.
You wanna get an idea of this shit? Look at what republicans propose to do and look at what veteran's organizations actually think of that (e.g. VFW, American Legion, etc). Trump is the only republican running for office that I'd guess actually would do more to support veterans than military contractors, who are leaching pieces of shit.
>>70533401
>Survey of peoples' opinions
>Voters *think* voter ID laws prevent fraud
>Framing of voter ID policies plays an important role in how laws are interpreted by the public
Did you even read this article? It's literally an article about public opinion and how it is influenced by the way Republicans frame the voter ID issue. It's not relevant to this discussion in any way.
>>70532742
>Make the ID fucking FREE.
AMERIKA, BUT FREE THINGS IS SOCIALISM.
ARE YOU A SOCIALIST ANON?
BECAUSE AMERIKA DOESN'T LIKE SOCIALISTS.
>>70530362
please post proof of this
>>70533582
Voting is not compulsory in the United States. And there's no way in hell that's going to change because Republicans would become a near perpetual minority except for a few peak years.
>>70533608
>But fact is that we (you and I) both know that the idea frauds do not exist because America is a nice place is bullshit from here to Tokyo.
The idea isn't that frauds don't exist because America is a nice place.
That'd be fucking retarded.
The idea is that frauds do not exist because in person voter fraud, vs absentee voter fraud or just ballot stuffing, is a massive use of manpower and time and presumably money and also inherently far riskier than either and also horrifically inefficient.
How many lines can one fucker stand in in a day?
>>70527831
Obligatory
>>70530380
>vote fraud doesn't happen because I say it's mathematically impossible
This is fucking retarded
>>70532907
Your arguments are against nightmare bureaucratic horseshit, not against requiring ID to vote. And there is no evidence that it is even intentional disenfranchisement that is causing this, like you're implying.
>>70532742
And every state that passed a voter ID law without such a provision had their law struck down courts. Every state currently has voter ID provides free IDs for voting.
>>70532907
>It's not a problem with the law. It's a problem with the fact that the laws are put into place and used in a way that specifically makes it impossible for certain people to vote.. INTENTIONALLY.
But that's why you have Constitutional Courts and many other apparatuses that are meant to verify if a passed bill is compliant with the Constitutions. Right?
If you think a law is wrong and shouldn't be allowed, you can expose this to the local Constitutional Court (at State or Federal level, I have no idea) for revision.
That's how a fucking country works.
>>70533674
Yes. Doesn't really change the fact that the numbers are bullshit.
If MSNBC reports that 2+2=4, I'm not going to suddenly doubt that fact.
>>70530380
>Requiring someone to have state id to vote means they will have to pay for that id. Thats the equivalent of a
>>poll tax (google it)
>which is tantamount to
>>charging ppl to vote,
>which is illegal.
>The cost of a piece of paper with a photo is the problem
Are you for real?
>>70533757
>compulsory
yea but the fact, you have to register is has nothing to do with wherever it is compulsory or not. Its just another hurdle for the voters. For example in Germany or Austria, you got a letter, that you can vote on this day for this and where you can vote. You dont have to register or something, you just have the vote to right if you turn 16.
>>70530380
I assume that you have to wear pants to vote, which means they will have to pay for those pants. That's also the equivalent of a poll tax.
>>70533848
I think I speak for all the yankees here when I say, what in the fuck is a Constitutional Court?
