17th century Europe.
Notice the big Ottoman empire in the east? Muslims.
And now it's gone. If we managed to survive that means we can manage 2-5 million muslims too.
i doubt it
>>70512288
Theres a difference, no on invited the Ottoman empire in and gave them free shit.
>>70512288
The regions controlled by the Ottomans are still less developed because of it. The reason the peoples under it survived demographically is that most muslims would leave when a territory was longer be part of the Ottoman empire.
>>70512288
Fool.
It took innumerable wars to "survive" the Ottoman empire. Not to mention that World War One, the war that broke Europe's spirit, was a direct result of the disintegration of the Ottoman empire.
I don't want war in Europe, and if we keep the trash out, we can in fact avoid such a war. Little good if Europe survives as a pile of rubble.
>>70512768
>Not to mention that World War One, the war that broke Europe's spirit, was a direct result of the disintegration of the Ottoman empire.
How so?
>>70512331
Are you autistic or something?
I'm gonna need a citation for 17th century ottomans mass raping women in cologne and all over sweden. Don't think that ever happened-no libfags back then.....
>>70512288
Ottomans unironically was religion of peace back then, all these territories barely had any significant numbers of muslims and ottoman controlled states even had some freedoms their neighbours did not have
We only beat the ottomans with right wing philosophy
What's to save us this time?
>>70512288
we wuz hungary
>>70513045
ill legit fkn drop use faggot
one outs run it straight cunt
>>70512288
That's because Poland was there to stop the aggressive turkroach.
>>70512983
After they vacated the Balkans, it became a playground for the Great European powers, and them struggling over who got to control it (Serbia or Austria) led to the war.
Without the Ottomans, this process would have happened organically centuries earlier, and the Balkans would just be a quiet, balmy corner of Europe by now.
>>70514085
How did the European reward you Poland? They split your lands amongst themselves
>>70514085
>>70514280
Truly history repeats itself. Poland saved Europe from Kebab before, and they shall do it once more.
>>70512288
>The World can stop the Muslim tide once more
No Bulgaria, this time the gates are down, the Saracen is being welcomed into the land. Like Troy in its folly in welcoming the Trojan Horse so too shall the West fall.
There will be no dawn for Men.
>>70513407
Yep, protestantism would not exist if they did not have the chance to flee to the Ottoman empire and live there until Archduke Ferdinand made protestantism legal because all the valuable people fled to the Ottoman empire.
>>70513407
>Filthy Ukranian supporting the Ottoman Turks
The Ottomans enslaved Christians that could not escape and raided Christian shipping where it could. The boys to fight for the Sultan, the girls to serve in his harem.
Truly the religion of peace.
>>70514361
rare
>>70512983
Big power vacuum leading Russia to conflict against Austria-Hungary over control of the Balkans
Decades before, the Crimean War happened for a similiar reason, Russia's growing influence in the Near East was challenged by France.
>>70514588
I don't know where you get this from. Some of my christians ancestors fled to ottoman controlled areas from Russian Empire after Nikon's reforms happened
>>70514249
Oh, come on. The war wasn't really about Franz Ferdinand getting shot, or Austria's struggle with Serbia. It would have started anyway, tensions between the great powers were rising since the beginning of the century, there was bound to be an escalation.
But the Turks did screw up the Balkans big time.
>>70514991
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea#Crimean_Khanate_.281441.E2.80.931783.29
>The Crimean Khanate, a vassal state of the Ottoman Empire, succeeded the Golden Horde and lasted from 1449 to 1779[18] In 1571, the Crimean Tatars attacked and sacked Moscow, burning everything but the Kremlin.[19] Until the late 18th century, Crimean Tatars maintained a massive slave trade with the Ottoman Empire, exporting about 2 million slaves from Russia and Ukraine over the period 1500–1700.[20]
>>70512288
There is a difference between invasion and infiltration.
When a nigger knock down your door and enter your home, you kill him. Done.
When termites get silently and slowly reproducing into the wood of your home, you're fucked.
>>70512288
Ottoman empire was ottoman just because it had ottoman borders, there were no ottomans all over the place like there are muslims now.
>>70512288
More like, just because the muslims haven't been a big threat in the last 150 years, doesn't mean that they won't be soon at the place of rivalry again
>In a sense the question is already answered because Islam has
never departed. It still commands the fixed loyalty and
unquestioning adhesion of all the millions between the Atlantic
and the Indus and further afield throughout scattered communities
of further Asia. But I ask the question in the sense "Will not
perhaps the temporal power of Islam return and with it the menace
of an armed Mohammedan world which will shake off the domination
of Europeans-still nominally Christian-and reappear again as the
prime enemy of our civilization?" The future always comes as a
surprise but political wisdom consists in attempting at least some
partial judgment of what that surprise may be. And for my part I
cannot but believe that a main unexpected thing of the future is
the return of Islam. Since religion is at the root of all
political movements and changes and since we have here a very
great religion physically paralysed but morally intensely alive,
we are in the presence of an unstable equilibrium which cannot
remain permanently unstable. Let us then examine the position.
Written a hundred years ago.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/doctrine/heresy.htm
>>70514991
Most of the enslaving was done by the Crimean khanate, which was a vassal state of the Ottoman empire.
Are you and yours still Old Believers?
>>70514991
The fact that the Ottomans were savages doesn't mean that they didn't know that an enemy of your enemy is your friend.
we as lithuanians won't have to deal with anything. they won't fly here to gain welfare and chill in cozy prisons. I may not know about our economy or welfare system, but I do know our prisons aren't cozy at all. my friend works as a police officer, he gets sent to prison a lot to escort prisoners. and the conditions there are terrible. everything's wet, it's cold even during the summer, the walls are crumbling, a lot of cells have rotting beds. this all leads to self mutilation, literally ALL prisoners have cut their wrists to try and get out of there - to either die or risk their lives to chill for a 2 days in a hospital. no one lives past 40 there.
>>70515252
My ancestors had a great time in white christian Bessarabia under Ottoman rule, no fiki fiki or islamisation happened. Please stop citing wikipediaz, this is serious chinese cartoon internet forum.
>>70512288
Yeah "we" "CAN"
rip
>>70515880
If the muslims disintegrate the west we won't survive either
>>70515196
Catholicfag speaks the truth. Germany wanted it to happen, so it did.
>>70515486
>Are you and yours still Old Believers?
No, they converted to mainstream orthodox christianity after Russian Empire take Bessarabia under their rule. Though, some Old believer communities still exist in Bessarabia
>>70515899
How do you know that they had a great time?
Also, a good part of Bessarabia was under the Moldavian principality which was just a tributary state to the Ottomans.
>>70516413
>How do you know that they had a great time?
Of course i can' t know for sure, but the fact these christian communities still exists (while people in them literally behaved like jews) and lower Danube is white without muslims speaks itself. Never heard cool stories about savage ottomans, while we have a lot about retarded romanians or russians
Germans weren't having children before the kebab invasion.
Literally negative birth to death rate.
when the wellfare state collapses , those refugees wont return back to their homelands peacefully thats for sure
>>70512288
ottoman empire had banned wahhabism, current islam is different comparatively. the sultans used the caliphate to their advantage rather than follow the islamic leaders
also they were just another hyper aggressive turkic empire based on warfare, they survived 600 years due to persian state traditions
they weren't exactly the muslim empire people make them out to be, for example they had christian soldiers fighting among their ranks from the start until 19th century
>>70516759
Firstly, the Turks didn't have enough people to successfuly colonize the Balkans. Secondly, the lower Danube is white with few Muslims because the Muslims would leave when a territory stopped being a part of the Ottoman empire.
You never heard cool stories about savage Turks because they would induce too much of a risk of you thinking that the Russians, who forced them out of Ukraine and Bessarabia, actually did something good. The mere thought is too much for most hohol minds to handle.
>>70517442
The whole anti russian meme is modern one, 19 century Russian Empire was nice and cozy. It seems you have some butthurt over ottomans, and that story is about you and how you can't accept the fact ottomans was GOODBOI AND SHEEIT somewhere
>>70514413
>Bulgaria
>implying
Fuck off kiwi.
>>70512288
Imperialised Slavs were giving birth at high replacement rates though, and the Ottomans knew as well as the European powers that they didn't have the sufficient manpower to invade into the Western European heartland. Today it's different; the said 2-5 million muslims would have much more children than natives, and that figure is wrong as well, there are also millions arriving each year
>>70518701
Population of Balkans declined by 2/3rds during Ottoman rule. From 15th to late 18th century.
But I see some in West now sing poems to famed Ottoman tolerance.
Fucking Westerners.
>>70518838
>to famed Ottoman tolerance.
That's fact. I don't know what happened to you guys, but you are savages even in modern times, you can't live calmly without srbosjek or kebab romoval some fuckung decade
>>70517786
Why wouldn't a balkan have butthurt over ottomans m8, thats like baltics not having butthurt over russia.
>>70518838
Fuck what the hell man I was trying to lie and hope nobody knew of actual statistics so I could permeate MY FUCKING NARRATIVE
>>70513407
>even had some freedoms their neighbours did not have
hahaha no
>>70512288
And how did Europe survive? By pushing back.
>>70519504
It's a fact that t*rks were savages.
>>70512288
Spain, Portugal, Great Britain & Denmark are the only countries that still look the same up to this day
>based
