What is /pol/'s stance on climate change?
It's a huge threat and everybody is too lazy to do anything about it, so we're all dead basically.
>>70509782
It's all true and fake at the same time.
It is manmade for all the reasons not listed by MSM
>>70509782
Stance on something that doesn't exist? Excuse me?
>>70509782
>>70510599
Real but a unavoidable mess. Even if US and Europe went 100% green, you would still have shitholes like India and China doing more damage than anyone can stop.
If it's true or not, there's no reason to shit up the ecosystem either way.
I don't want to be a part of the generation that doomed us all.
Haven't there been like 5 "armageddons" predicted for climate change? I think al gore has set two different dates. One just passed a year or so ago and the other was in 2001
>>70511314
They've been using that line for years. Even the U.Ns climate change arm gave up recently and just said we have to 'prepare' for the change instead of 'stopping' it because they believe everyone doesn't care.
They are correct. So basically, keep spending over a 100 billion for something that we can only reduce the damage of even though no one can tell you what or how is going to happen. Sea levels, massive global cooling, any bad weather, its all going to be climate changes fault forever.
A misreading of natural climate trends and more likely due to the sun than anything going on on earth.
>>70509782
Climate is a social construct. My V8 isn't. Checkmate GAYtheists!
The climate changes? Well, hot dog!
>>70509782
There is no "climate change"
There is
>HOLY FUCK POLLUTION IS EVERYWHERE AND RISING
The air,the land,the food,our bodies ,this takes a TOLL
Fighting pollution and the destruction of our environment is our biggest issue
>>70509782
It's the only threat greater to the West than Islam is. The conspiracy theories surrounding it are some of the weakest of any that I've ever read. The motive is nonsensical and the means are far too far fetched. If you think this is a scam you need your head examined.
>>70512547
>being cucked by a planet
Fuck this gay Earth. Jesus please send thhe fires.
>>70509782
epin copypasta I made and keep posting in these threads because you dumb faggots can never come up with answers that aren't "hurr just google it m8 like a lot of scientists agree but never published their methodology or anything, they just agree so appeal to authority":
Prove it is:
A: happening (which I don't doubt).
B: can be directly linked to human actions like burning fossil fuels
C: post specifics, how the parts the humans are doing is actually significant. Like what percent is our fault.
D: post specifics, about just how fast "climate is changing" since "global warming" is no longer the meme term. I want real statistics like "we are getting X warmer every year and I will have to worry about it in Y years becuase Z happened and is devastating"
E: post specifics, about just why I should give two fucks if hipsters faggots have to move their shitty cities 2 miles inland while I pay for retarded infrastructure that would probably cost more
F: if all of that is all real and shit, why I would care if it's as tragic as the lefty faggots think, when they're all just destroying our countries and children's futures with mass immigration of mudslimes and taconiggers and increased socialism to support these subhumans
G: Explain how wind turbines that are complete and utter shit, cost more fossil fuels to build and transport and assemble and shit than they save over their liftime and only work in wind, but not too much wind so you have to use tradition power sources anyway, how solar isn't complete shit that get ruined by dust, only works during the day, without clouds or fog or any retard with an umbrella is within 20 miles
H: Explain why we should be pouring billions of my taxpayer money into this when it is proven the private sector is many times more efficient than any government grant program or research fund. If a company makes and patents the next big innovation in energy, they will quite literally become one of the biggest companies in existence
Also: it doesn't matter how high you set your standards, this is a thing whether you like it or not.
1/2
>>70512766
Nice dubs, self.
>>70512642
The worst case scenario if we switch to clean energy is that we waste a bit of money in doing something we were inevitably going to do anyway. The worst case scenario if we don't is that half the world's major cities being underwater come the next century. We don't have time to fuck around.
>>70509782
Why should we stop something that would cull the third worlders?
>>70512836
>The worst case scenario if we don't is that half the world's major cities being underwater come the next century.
Citation needed, Nigel. I've been hearing this since grade school and nothing has come about. Address point E. Why would I give a fuck if they have to move 2 miles inland?
>>70512960
Because it will cost you a fuckload of money? Because it will deplete access to resources? Because it will decimate the world's food supply? I'm not sure what sort of citation you're asking for. That is what will happen if the world's freshwater ice melts. That's how far the seas will rise. L2google.
>>70512547
Maybe in Romania. The US has been cleaning up for decades.
>>70512642
B: look at CO2 concentration in the atmosphere since the start of the industrial revolution
C: it's obvious it is significant, but we can't know the exact percentage. why don't you give me the exact percentage of how much human shit there is in indian rivers and how much is animal shit? cant do it huh hehehe guess i win
D: meteorologists can't know the future temperatures for even the current month, and you want people to prove it for next year? Global wather is so incredibly complicated, what you're asking is impossible. And I thought you faggots hate projections?
E: look up how rising ocean levels affect the environment, not people living near the coast. and look up how melting ice caps increase the problem.
F: fucking up society is not as bad as fucking up the planet. If the planet stays intact, future societies can still be great again.
G: I agree wind turbines are shit, but supposedly they've gotten much better recently. Probably still not worth it, but getting close
H: Who says you need to have one or the other? both private sector is doing good work with developing cleaner energy, and governments are generally doing steps in the right direction with incentives and shit. As always "why do you need taxpayer money hurr durr" ends up being answered by "because this is a complicated issue and taxpayers don't know how important it is".
>>70512580
You would agree that, if your in the military, and your salary depends on your telling Congress that there is a boodyman around every corner, most people will tell Congress there is a boogyman around every corner, even if they have to make a mountain out of a mole hill?
This is the same shit. Climate scientists are paid with government grants. If they tell the government "there is no problem" the government will cut their funding. So they draw trend lines and make projections out a hundred years in to the future even as they are being proven wrong a decade into it.
>>70513206
Half the ice melts every year lad. The north pole pretty much disappears every year.
Bur I'm sure taxing the middle and working classes to pay for expensive projects run by politicians friends with brown envelopes will save the planet! You are the best goy.
>>70513375
>B: look at CO2 concentration in the atmosphere since the start of the industrial revolution
Now try explaining how CO2 causes global warming.
>>70509782
Meme to scam richer countries
>>70513206
>Because it will cost you a fuckload of money?
Yeah because pouring billions into shitty renewable energy alternatives isn't costing me a fuckload of money. Read my original post, faggot.
>Because it will decimate the world's food supply?
How?
>That is what will happen if the world's freshwater ice melts.
[citation fucking needed you dumb faggot]
>>70509782
It is a good thing.
Warmer climate was always better for humans.
For example Canada will gain a lot more agricultural possibilites.
Increased CO2 will help to grow plants and fight world hunger.
It also makes plants store more energy and grow healthier.
It will further increase the growth of forests.
This will balance out eventually the CO2 in the air as more forest means less CO2.
A rise in ocean is not to be expected.
The oceans are in a balance through solved salt.
If in antarctica more water melts it will decrease the freezing temperature of the surrounding water increasing the expansion of ice.
Increasing temperatures will not increase the water in the oceans and will not reduce ice stored in antarctica.
We should embrace fossile fuels as long as we have them.
It is a good thing to use them. Earth will be better off with higher CO2 concentration and a warmer climate.
Also the warming of the earth is independent of CO2 but dependend on cosmic events.
There is a solar system wide warming being observed.
Correlation does not mean causation.
In the past we had much higher CO2 concentration.
It all balances out with plant growth, ocean level balances out through salt concentration.
>>70513375
>E: look up how rising ocean levels affect the environment, not people living near the coast. and look up how melting ice caps increase the problem.
Ocean levels have been rising at a predictable rate for thousands of years.
There's no doubt that it's happening very fast. The glaciers on Greenland are moving with record speed.
We know that the water on our planet moves around with the thermohaline circulation where cold very saltywater in the north Atlantic pulls warm water from the tropics. This is called the heat pump and it's the reason why we have mild climate on the northern hemisphere.
Since the glaciers in Greenland an insane amount of freshwater to the North Atlantic and thus slowing down the heat pump thermohaline circulation in the oceans to the point where it might be reversed and the southern hemisphere "steals" the warm water from the tropics which would mean complete death on our northern hemisphere.
Imo even if there's a small chance that we're not contributing to the rise in temp we should still do what we can to limit co2 and watervapor along with other pollution. The stakes are too high
After islam, it's the left's favorite religion.
>>70513375
>B:
Provide your fucking citation, god damn, why is this so hard for you faggots!?
>C:
>it's obvious it is significant
Provide your god damn citation
>D:
>meteorologists can't know the future temperatures for even the current month, and you want people to prove it for next year?
So you're saying people telling me global warming is real are fucking retards who cannot be trusted? All right then.
>E:
You aren't addressing the issue. If this were all true, why would I give a fuck? Fuck those hipster faggots.
>F: fucking up society is not as bad as fucking up the planet
That's just like, your opinion, man. If I do everything in my power to make my progeny's life excellent, yet everyone else seeks to ruin it, why would I care about some bullshit nonissue?
>G:
So let's let the free market perfect the science instead of pouring my tax dollars into it. It's shit now and we will burn through all those fossil fuels regardless. Let the first company to crack the magical code cash in on it.
>H:
>because this is a complicated issue and taxpayers don't know how important it is
Yes, good goy, let the benevolent overlords make the calls. Stop questing things, Citizen!
It's happening but it's not a big deal. If it was then we would do something about it.
We should still research and incorporate renewables into our energy production but at the pace we are doing it now. There is no reason whatsoever to go faster.
>>70513206
Because it will deplete access to resources?
Actually, it might increase access to resources, particularly in Canada and Russia.
>Because it will decimate the world's food supply?
There's no evidence for that. Just the opposite, in fact. Some places in the US already have 2 or 3 growing seasons and global warming would extend the areas that can do so. Alaska could grow more crops. The Sahara and some other deserts are actually shrinking because the temperatures is slightly warmer.
To a scientist who hasn't become corrupt, anthropogenic global warming believers are the equivalent of creationists.
>>70509782
Climate change is real and it's a natural phase, it's just not strictly related to the human activity on Earth, industries really play a small role in the global warming phenomenom. The US needs more industries on national soil to create jobs and reduce imports, besides, with a little effort is still possible to reduce pollution and CO2 emissions and you can always develop new stuff that make the process faster and less expensive, if you don't even try of course nothing is gonna happen, progress doesn't come from doing nothing.
>>70513548
>The north pole pretty much disappears every year.
No, it doesn't.
>>70509782
punishing industry in the west doesn't work, bc for every ton of co2 we reduce, china is going to blow 10 in the air. should india and other countries with a big population that are developing start to industrialize on a scale comparable to western europe, it'll increase co2 and greenhouse effect beyond anything we fear right now.
that doesn't stop these countries though, since they want their fair share in an industrialized world.
so the only way is research and development, innovation of eco-friendly technology. imo we (the west) should throw a lot more money behind that, its the only way-- we have to innovate ourselves out of this conundrum.
Climate change caused is a combination of two factors: the Earth's axial tilt cycle and solar variation. There is no greenhouse effect, humans do not effect climate in any way.
Climate change caused by a combination of two factors: the Earth's axial tilt cycle and solar variation. There is no greenhouse effect, humans do not effect climate in any way.
Climate change is caused by a combination of two factors: the Earth's axial tilt cycle and solar variation. There is no greenhouse effect, humans do not effect climate in any way.
sorry. crappy phone
Tbh /pol/ should embrace the climate change debate as the by far most effective way to prevent human contribution is to stop the population growth in 3'rd world countries.
If you prevent Africans, Asians and South Americans from reproducing it will save the climate by a lot.
>>70513846
>A rise in ocean is not to be expected.
>The oceans are in a balance through solved salt.
>If in antarctica more water melts it will decrease the freezing temperature of the surrounding water increasing the expansion of ice.
>Increasing temperatures will not increase the water in the oceans and will not reduce ice stored in antarctica.
The planet has been ice free for about half of the last 500 million years.
Hydro, nuclear and solar. Wind is shit. Scaling back fossil fuels and other high pollution thats detrimental to the environment. I would also stop aid to third world countries until they scale back their control birthrate. This would literally solve millions of problems if we did this
>>70514017
If your Greenland hypothesis were true, Greenlands settlement of Vikings must correlate with that devastating European ice age you are afraid of. I mean they called it fucking Green, settled there, which meant nice climate for agriculture.
But the opposite is true.
A warm climate in Greenland was still warm in Europe and did not disturb much of that heat pump you discribe.
Climate Change is real.
Global warming is a hoax by jews to reap in free shekels from industry owners and normal people in form of "pollution fees" and taxes and by "researchers" so they can leech up tax money for their research purposes to spew bullshit.
>>70509782
It's getting warmer on average
I'd like to see my country make an attempt at solar power because it'd shut up leftists and get Muslim cock out of our mouths
>>70514472
>There is no greenhouse effect
Careful. There is a greenhouse effect. It adds about 30 degrees Celsius to the temperature of the earth, and CO2 is about 10% of that.
But increasing CO2 does not increase the greenhouse effect. It's not linear. So human produced CO2 does not effect climate.
>>70514625
Nah, vikings settled in the South of Greenland in the summer, which is always green.
>>70514562
3rd world and developing countries are exempt from regulations imposed by global climate agreements. The agreements usually just limit CO2 emissions in 1st world countries, and then they tell 1st world corporations they have to go buy carbon credits from 3rd world countries that aren't hitting their carbon emission cap. It's a scam. It's just a transfer of wealth from 1st world countries to 3rd world countries.
>>70514914
>increasing CO2 does not increase the greenhouse effect
>co2 is a greenhouse gas but does not increase the greenhouse effect
Lél
>>70509782
True, but not anywhere NEAR as bad as libs make it out to be. We have impacted global warming so little its barely noticable. The planet has been far hotter throughout history, and then it cools down. I dont see why that wouldn't just happen again.
>inb4 muh greenhouse
>muh ozone
Shits not going to affect anyone for hundreds of years, if it ever does affect anyone at all.
>>70515148
It's not linear. At the level of CO2 we're talking about, there is essentially zero greenhouse effect. See >>70513615
>>70515267
What's the source for: >>70513615
>>70511243
Wrong (again). China is replacing old, dirty coal power plants with (yes, still coal) cleaner new plants faster than anyone. AND they have installed more green (wind & solar) capacity than ever before. In 2015, they put in 40% of all new green power hardware. So, we better get off our backsides and get in the running, or China will have THAT industry sewn up too. Plus the oncoming home battery hardware that will store excess solar during the day to use at night.
does anyone have the chart showing the 97% thing was a bullshit voluntary survey where most people didn't even respond?
More Carbon in the air means more carbon entering the Ocean. Whether global warming is real or not we could have a problem when carbon entering the oceans acidifies at more shallower depths leading to a tropic collapse as it melts away plankton.
>>70515441
The internet.
It's not in dispute that there is a logarithmic relationship between CO2 and greenhouse warming.
But I think the source for that particular image is here: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/08/the-logarithmic-effect-of-carbon-dioxide/
>>70509782
Climate is always changing.
Anthropogenic global warming is a hoax.
>>70509782
Looking at the data I've seen, the models don't match the outcome most of the time, so I don't agree with the concept of "amplification climate change".
Here are two actual arguments against green energy:
1. Even if climate change was happening in accordance to the models; why not keep doing it? We've made millions of lives 10x better and the ingenuity of humans should not be underestimated. Why wouldn't using more "bad" energy resources lead to a better use of those resources to make them more environmentally friendly; perhaps even a new source could be utilized.
2. The release of CO2 has been handled by Earth for many years through volcanoes. With this knowledge why hasn't the Earth warmed to a point where we can't sustain our own life?
>>70514914
>But increasing CO2 does not increase the greenhouse effect.
Demonstrably false.
>>70516406
Increasing CO2 from the point we are at today adds almost nothing to the greenhouse effect. Obviously it has a big greenhouse effect at lower concentrations. I even pointed out in that post that CO2 contributes about 10% to the greenhouse warming effect of 30 degrees Celsius.
