/pol/ I'm scared that the powers that be/the establishment are still gonna steal this election even if both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders get nominated. Just hear me out.
>Bernie Sanders wins New York and somehow goes on to win the majority of Pledged delegates but Clinton still holds the lead (and nomination) with the Superdelegates
>Sanders meets with DNC/Democrat leadership and makes a deal for the Superdelegates to swing their votes to him but he has to take Clinton as his VP
>The General Election starts and ends and Sanders wins because of the young vote and having Clinton for his VP galvanising the black and women vote
>Democrats sweep into both the House and Senate gaining a majority if not a supermajority
>Sanders is inaugurated and is either assassinated during his inauguration speech, the beginning weeks of his Presidency, or the beginning months of his presidency by a "right wing extremist" (who is a white male skinhead with Nazi tattoos, Nazi memorabilia, and bombs in his house) who then either kills himself (or the cops kill him) leaving behind a manifesto or is captured and is allowed to make a speech of racist and paranoid rhetoric to a disgusted American judiciary and public who sentences him to a harsh sentence thus making an example of "right wing rhetoric" and thought
>Clinton becomes President with the full support of the Democratic Party, a favorable Congress, and the Republicans/right wing in general are discredited/disgraced for years to come due to their "extremist actions"
>Clinton is literally allowed to do whatever she wants for the next two or more years
I'm shit scared out of my mind of this scenario /pol/ please tell me it won't happen
>>70503614
Trump's just as much a jewish shill as hillary is.
>>70503614
>Bernie makes a deal
Nope. He's the one Jew in the tribe that has absolutely no idea how to negotiate.
>>70503668
you bite your tongue you cuck
>>70503668
We don't really know that. Even the fact that Trump has Jewish family doesn't mean much to me. The guy is completely unpredictable.
>>70503850
Yeah but if he's desperate for the nomination he'll do it. And it won't be him offering the deal. It'll be the Dem leadership offering.
>>70503614
Bernie is invited to the Vatican. He'll win NY and spic votes thanks to the kike pope.
>>70503614
This is why Clinton will never be his VP.
Same reason Trump won't take Kasich or Cruz.
>>70503850
naw he's just the one jew in the tribe with any empathy at all
>>70504019
Yes I did say he would win New York. Is there something else you're trying to say?
>>70504064
I can only hope she will never be his VP. And this scenario came out of the head of a Bernie supporter too. I'm spending too much time on this board.
>>70504356
>Bernie supporter
>on this board
Having second thoughts?
>>70504469
If Bernie is the nominee I'm voting for him but if he doesn't win I'm voting Trump simple as that.
>>70504521
You could save yourself some trouble and vote Trump in the primaries.
>>70504620
I live in Ohio, that time has long past.
If Hillary gets the nom sander supporters need to Jump ship and help us get the donald elected just saying
Republican's feel their pain. We went through this already before with Ron Paul.
>>70504667
You're getting a wall around you m8
>>70504720
Trust us we know. I'm sure there will be at least 10 percent of Sanders supporters who would jump ship just to spite the witch.
>>70504740
Fuck you man I ain't done shit.
>>70504811
You and your little liberal friends gave the R win to fucking cucksich. And you cost me $5k.
Build wall.
>>70505028
Ok fuck you too. Though I still want Donald to win and I still think he will win. I just want you in particular to get fucked.
>>70503614
hillary wouldnt be his VP. he would know she would have him killed to be president
>>70505131
If he doesn't get the nomination, my consolation prize will be that half a million angry armed alt-righters are going to turn Cleveland and maybe all of Ohio into a warzone. Enjoy your failed state.
>>70504811
According to polls as much as a third of Sanders supporters would not vote for Clinton. The fact that she's decided to not even try to win over his voters will spell certain doom for her if she gets the nomination.
If Clinton gets the nom. you'll see a Republican president without a doubt in my mind, probably Cruz. Enjoy your Christian Taliban president
>>70505249
I can only hope he would be smart enough to realize that but damn if it doesn't make scared still
>>70505274
I live in Cincinnati aushole. Literally the furthest I can be away from Cleveland and I can escape to better states to be a nice productive worker.
>>70505413
What makes you think Donald won't win?
>>70505497
His 70% unfavorable rating. He's the only candidate with the potential of turning historically red states blue. I'm not sure how many people here realize just how much people hate him
>>70505497
Cincinnati is literally smack in the middle of the highways Southerners will be driving to get to Cleveland.
>>70505705
Clinton has a similar unfavorable rating. The difference is that Trump's is due to a media smear campaign based wholly on lies. People hate Clinton based on solid history.
>>70505705
True yes but Clinton's unfavorable rating can be just as low if not lowering with the attack ads he'll run against her and how much he might trounce her in the debates provided the questions and moderators are fair.
>>70505707
So? I'm a gun toting Liberal. I can just go to Indiana or somewhere else anyway. The traffic influx will not be as bad you think.
>>70505902
>angry rednecks in technicals thinking their war has finaly started
>army and DHS patrols locking down the whole state
Ok
>>70505705
Shut your cuck mouth sven.
Reagan had a 70% unfavorable rating in April 1980.
Also, Clinton's current unfavorable rating? 55%
Rato Cruz is 60% unfavorable.
Man I really don't like Ohio.
>>70506017
>>70506071
Why would they lock down an entire state if the main conflict is in Cleveland? At most if Donald gets screwed over it'll be a an extremely large riot. Not the full scale conflict you're talking about. You are greatly misinformed if you really think an entire state will be locked down.
>>70506258
Nogs riot. White people start wars.
>>70505810
>>70505902
Her rating is on average slightly above 50% average on RCP, far from Trump's, and that's after decades and decades of attacks from the Republicans. Trump announced just last year and is way more disliked than she is. But you'd be absolutely right to say that she's a very weak candidate, even against Trump. If it came it a battle between the two, I'm honestly not sure how it'd play out. For sure it'd be interesting
>>70505810
Wholly on lies? I don't buy that at all, wanna give some examples of these lies?
>>70506036
No need to be rude, just did some light googling and found this: http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2016/03/15/1980-donald-trump-ronald-reagan/
>>70506404
>wanna give some examples of these lies?
>>70506342
Do you not remember the white people Toronto riots when their fucking Hockey team lost?
>>70505028
>>70504740
We probably deserve it. Though we'll try our best to get a happening going this summer to make up for it. The RNC is in Ohio this election season.
>>70506404
>http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2016/03/15/1980-donald-trump-ronald-reagan/
RedState.com is Super PAC funded Trump opposition. They have zero credibility.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/08/gop-establishment-money-funding-mark-levin-glenn-beck-erick-erickson-to-attack-trump/
>>70506461
Trump has made several racist and sexist comments, that's not really up for debate. I'm not sure what you want to say with that image, though.
>>70506555
I'd just look at the article itself, even if it's biased doesn't mean they've got no credibility, that's up to the arguments and facts to decide.
Here's another one though: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trump-is-no-ronald-reagan/
Also found this one: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/nancy-reagan-death-donald-trump-2016-213709
Comparing the 1980 elections to this year's seems like a large stretch that meets a lot of opposition, that's all I'm saying.
Nice trips, btw
>>70507130
>Trump has made several racist and sexist comments
Name a single (1) racist or sexist statement he's made. I guarantee you you're misinformed about the definition of "racist" and "sexist."
Racist - discriminating against a group of people on basis of race
Sexist - discriminating against a group of people on basis of gender
>>70507130
If you consider deporting illegal immigrants who are breaking the law by being here and wanting to prevent more islamic terrorists and rapefugees from entering the US racist then yes i guess hes racist
>>70507252
It's OK, I'll wait. Let me know when you give up.
>>70507130
>>70507252
>ITT: Sven slowly realizes he's been lied to his whole life
>>70507252
>>70507275
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/news/a43020/donald-trump-most-offensive-comments/
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/09/18/3703008/donald-trump-what-who-me-you-must-be-mistaken/
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/8-of-the-sleaziest-things-donald-trump-has-said-20150616?page=2
https://antifascistnews.net/2015/07/29/28-racist-sexist-homophobic-and-transphobic-quotes-from-gop-frontrunner-donald-trump/
Just a few of the quotes I found through some googling. I'll also link some better definitions of both racism and sexism:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sexism
You can disagree, but it'd be on very shaky grounds. Just the comment about Mexicans being rapists and stuff is undoubtedly racist.
The problem is not that people are against preventing crime and terrorism, it's the sweeping statements about groups of people that are simply not true.
>>70507748
Sorry for the wait, it took a while to write this.
>>70504067
No he's just the one jew in the tribe who is a huge fucking loser and hates the rich
IE the rest of the tribe
>>70505902
>I'm a gun toting Liberal.
How many of you do you think there are?
>>70507792
>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83
>http://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/news/a43020/donald-trump-most-offensive-comments/
>http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/09/18/3703008/donald-trump-what-who-me-you-must-be-mistaken/
>http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/8-of-the-sleaziest-things-donald-trump-has-said-20150616?page=2
>https://antifascistnews.net/2015/07/29/28-racist-sexist-homophobic-and-transphobic-quotes-from-gop-frontrunner-donald-trump/
holy shit you fucking madman
>>70507792
It's not racist if it's true. Latinos/Hispanics rape at higher rates than white people do.
>>70507940
I would like to think that we are numerous enough. If you're talking about how I'm gonna get lynched just because I'm a liberal that seems really farfetched.
>>70507792
>Huffington Post
>Cosmopolitan
>antifascist.com
>legitimate
>>70507792
>actions of a company in 1973
>strawman about the KKK disavowal he did a dozen times
>questioning obama's birth is racist somehow?
>“I’ll take jobs back from China, I’ll take jobs back from Japan,” Trump said during his visit to the U.S.-Mexican border in July. “The Hispanics are going to get those jobs, and they’re going to love Trump.”
>being pro-hispanic is racist now?
>“They should be forced to suffer and, when they kill, they should be executed for their crimes,” Trump wrote, referring to the Central Park attackers and other violent criminals. “I want to hate these murderers and I always will.”
>wanting murderers to be punished is racist
>“Maybe [the protester] should have been roughed up,” he mused. “It was absolutely disgusting what he was doing.”
>advocating violence against an individual, not a race, is racism now?
>He stereotyped Jews as good negotiators — and political masterminds
>speaking positively about a race is racism now?
I gave you the time of day to see if you were onto something and as I thought you are SADLY misinformed about the definition of racism/sexism, friend.
>>70507792
Also
>You can disagree, but it'd be on very shaky grounds. Just the comment about Mexicans being rapists and stuff is undoubtedly racist.
just wow
>>70508172
not to mention the fact that fucking Jews aren't even a race to begin with, they're a religion
>>70503614
Hillary is going to win the election. Everyone knows this deep down.
It's sad, but it's true.
>>70508319
I BELIEVE I CAN MEME SOMEONE INTO THE OFFICE WHETHER IT BE SANDERS OR TRUMP
>>70508053
>If you're talking about how I'm gonna get lynched just because I'm a liberal that seems really farfetched.
That wasn't my intention, but given the board you're on I can see why you might think that. I'm a centrist/moderate that values the second amendment. I wanted to get an anecdote from you on what your side thinks about it. We already know R's support it on the individual level, I think the vast majority of my 'camp' does as well, just wondered about yours.
>Sanders wins because of the young vote and having Clinton for his VP galvanising the black and women vote
Blacks don't vote for either of them
>>70508540
you really need this guy to explain to you how liberals feel about guns?
>Democrats sweep into both the House and Senate gaining a majority if not a supermajority
lel
Clinton's ego would never allow her to accept VP.
>>70508668
I'm suspecting that it's a VERY vocal minority, but I don't really know.
>>70508540
Oh sorry about that. In regards to my feelings on gun rights for the single person I believe everyone that is mentally sound should be able to own a gun. Not sure about the gun show loophole (if that even exists, need to do more research but if it is like how many liberals describe it it should be closed) anyway, in regards to teachers owning guns in order to defend against school shootings I feel it would be better to have multiple police officers in the school so we don't have some super stressed out teacher shooting a bunch of shit kids. But teachers having guns could be changed down the line.
>>70508668
Fuck you I like shotguns and rifles and other things that go boom.
>>70508744
As I said before the dems would be galvanized due to a woman VP. Not to mention Dem voters like myself are historically lazy and vote in less turnouts unless it's a presidential election. So that could explain the low turnout for the dems.
>>70508786
She would if it meant she could get rid of Sanders and become President anyway.
>>70508053
>It's not racist if it's true.
You're right, but it's not true that 100% of Hispanics, legal or illegal, are murderers, rapists or otherwise violent criminals; it's basically saying that your race determines if you're a criminal or not. Blanket statements like that are racist, just like saying all whites are school shooters is racist.
Don't misunderstand me, I wouldn't defend actual criminals. Prosecute them all you want, but don't make it out that a group of people are predisposed to crime because of who they were born as, something they had absolutely no control over.
>>70508319
I hope not, that'd be the most boring result. Expect a solidly Republican government after her 4 years.
>>70508937
You're right, but it's not true that Trump said or implied that.
>>70508937
He didn't say Hispanics you cunt, he said illegal Mexicans
>>70509058
There's gotta be a faster way to educate more people at once on this than debating them on every single misguided, misunderstood or misrepresented quote.
>>70503614
Is there any scenario of the D party imploding like what's happening on the right? I'm suspecting that the left has a high chance of turning on itself in the coming months. Deep down, I want to see this happen on both sides with the the hope that we can let logic and reason drive our rhetoric and dialect instead of the left/right dichotomy. Probably wishful thinking at this point, but a boy can dream.
>>70509420
>Is there any scenario of the D party imploding like what's happening on the right?
Won't be quite so dramatic but they're going to lose people when Shillary steals it from sanders.
>>70503614
>the establishment are still gonna steal this election
they won't unless they want to see new parties emerge and weaken them
>>70508937
My point (and possibly Trump's) is that I want to prevent rape as much as possible. Muslims and Hispanics rape at a much higher rate than any other demographic except maybe black people. So I don't want them here if they don't accept that rape is wrong. Not to mention I want integration and assimilation. At it's core I believe Islam to be incompatible with the west in it's current state. I don't wanna see more assaults like that attacks on New Year's Eve in Cologne and across Europe. Never again. I don't wanna see the Brussels attacks again. Never again. I don't wanna see the Paris attacks again. NEVER AGAIN. Maybe I am racist at heart but if that means protecting those I identify with, protecting my home culture, then so be it. And I know you might bring up the fact that the Brussels attackers weren't "refugees" but were actaully born in Belgium. My point is that how many more children of this "refugee" flood will commit terrorism too? That is just too much for me.
>>70509070
I did actually say Hispanics rape at a higher rate but my point stands that illegal immigrants are breaking the law and must be deported. I'm sure a compromise can be made that if they choose to become US citizens (and do not have any crimes on record) then they will not be deported, If they refuse they will be deported back to their origin country.
>>70509420
If/when Hillary fucks over Sanders a lot of people will vote Trump just to spite her.
>>70503614
>Bernie Sanders wins New York
Your theory is implausible from the first statement.
>>70509365
Tell me if you find it
>>70509578
>illegal immigrants are breaking the law
Illegals always break the law, otherwise they aren't illegal.
>>70509578
>I did actually say Hispanics rape at a higher rate
Well unless you're Trump I don't really give a shit what you said, we're not talking about you.
>>70509578
If you're a "liberal" we need more of you. Redpill your friends.
>>70509611
It is possible just improbable.
>>70509672
That's what I mean. My point is that if they are willing to become US citizens and productive members of society (and I know a couple illegal immigrants who are very hard working) then they are free to stay in the US and pay taxes otherwise they must go back if they refuse.
>>70509808
Sorry I thought he talking about my statement and not Trump's whoops.
>>70509816
I'm more of a liberal than you think. Pic related.
>>70510030
Meh, at least you're not in the red like some of your comrades.
>>70510030
>My point is that if they are willing to become US citizens and productive members of society
I'm willing to become a productive US citizen. Do you know anything about me? Would you be happy for me to come there?
>>70510355
I don't know anything other than the fact that you're a cunt. But if you really do wanna become a US citizen then just apply for citizenship and pass the tests and you're golden.
>>70510490
>just apply for citizenship and pass the tests
No no. Fuck your tests. I deserve to be a US citizen. I'd even break US law to do so.
Do you still want me to be a citizen?
>>70510586
If you're gonna break the law then no fuck off.
>>70510664
So why do you feel differently about Mexicans?
Racist.
>>70509578
The problem is that you don't prevent rape by discriminating and disproportionately and unfairly targeting a group of people. Just look at the war of drugs. You do it by connecting with the community and being united against crime. Demonizing and segregating muslims is a fast track to islamic radicalization in their communities and subsequent terrorism. You root it out by bringing people together and cooperating with them.
Here's an example: https://www.aclu.org/factsheet-nypd-muslim-surveillance-program
It didn't work that time and won't work any other.
I know you're angry and we should all be, but we need to direct that anger into solutions that will destroy terrorism and not breed it.
>>70510701
It's like a grandfather clause dumbass from down under. The ones that are already here get a chance before the wall goes up to become US citizens. If they reject it, they are put back on the other side of the wall/fence or whatever origin country was. The one's that come through border illegally are deported as well. Only those who wish to become a US citizen or have the proper documentation like a work visa may stay in the US for extended periods of time.
>>70510996
So if I got on a boat and got into the US right now, you'd want me to stay?
>>70510962
Dammit Sven I've tried that for 7 years now. I'm no longer the bleeding heart liberal that I used to be. I wish I could share your compassion but I'm a jaded fucker now. I honestly believe nowadays that if Africa and The Middle East didn't exist we would be much better off. I'm sorry that I can't share your ideals. I just can't see it working.
>>70511035
If you agree to integrate and assimilate, take the citizenship tests, undergo the wait period, and do not commit any crimes sure.
MAte, everyone has know this from day 1. It's how she agreed to support onbongo in 08 and not make it really bitter-- not that she had much choice.
Clintons see the 1990s as the era of "gibsmethat" bc they could afford more, inflation hadn't outpaced their gibsme yet.
Yes, Bernie the Jew can never win even if he does win.
My only hope is that they all turn for Trump, but Trump kissing the ass of Israel was pretty rancid too and killed his hardcore support here. So who knows.
>>70511172
>If you agree to integrate and assimilate, take the citizenship tests, undergo the wait period, and do not commit any crimes sure.
Fuck that shit, I broke the law to get into the US, I'm not about to start following it now. But I guess I can pretend. Not a crime if you don't get caught.
Congratulations, you just allowed a criminal foreigner that wants Ohio to burn to become a citizen. Be proud.
>>70508194
This is a swede we're talking to here. They are so afraid of criticizing any minority, no matter the action.
>>70511292
Motherfucker you think we wouldn't keep updates on your shit you kangaroo sucking fag? We will come every 2-4 weeks to make sure you aren't doing shit.
>>70510355
What's your point?
>>70511400
>implying I'll be doing shit
Nah welfare is a breddy gud life m8. Also >implying you'll have the resources to keep updates on 30 million criminals
>>70511172
I'm sorry to hear that. Just consider that by treating them the way some people here advocate you will see more terrorism and everything that made you more jaded in the first place. It's one of the hardest things to do, to look at Brussels, Paris and all the countries that have suffered terrorism, and still see the innocent people that are part of the same race and/or religion.
I went to a really shitty school with primarily immigrant kids and I hated their guts, they were loud assholes and for a while I wanted them all gone so I think I can understand the way you feel. I'll be thinking of you, my brother from across the Atlantic
>>70511477
How about just kicking them out and/or not letting them in to begin with you enormous cuck? No need to worry about any of that shit, insult them all you like.
>>70511458
Which is why we would deport them all first and keep track of the ones that we let trickle in the plan of letting the immigrants that are already here could be trashed to just deport them all first. Also integrate means get a job in my vocabulary ausshit.
>>70511477
Well if you ever prove me wrong I won't bury my head in the sand and believe you. Best of luck to you but I don't think it'll work out.
>>70510996
I don't agree with the grandfather clause in this situation. Makes sense for places like businesses that enact new policies but on this issue they really do need to go back and do it the right way this time. Legal immigrants working to become citizens is one thing, illegals don't deserve a grandfather clause.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNy4ixHFrdI What ever happened to this? Is Bill Clinton a racist too?
>>70511686
>Which is why we would deport them all first and keep track of the ones that we let trickle in
That's actually a great idea that would negate this whole problem. Trump's promised to do precisely that. Bernie just wants amnesty for the whole lot of them.
Glad to see you're voting with your eyes open now.
For "redpilled" individuals I cannot believe that it took you all this long to realize that it's rigged for Hillary. Bernie and Trump are controlled OP. No matter what happens, Shillary will win.
>>70511819
>trump
>controlled
Cruz was meant to be the controlled opposition for the people pissed off enough to want Trump. Trump's his own man.
>>70508319
Nice shilling, faggot.
>>70511722
That is why it might not be the best plan but it could be a compromise. And I don't think I ever called Trump or anyone racist.
>>70511768
My eyes have always been open containment country. You just keep fighting for some reason.
>>70511819
Considering how hard Clinton seems to be floundering about Sanders and Trump I doubt it.
>>70511975
>compromise
You need to learn the difference between compromise and surrender.
>>70511975
>And I don't think I ever called Trump or anyone racist.
I'm not saying you did, but ole Billy boy said basically the same thing as Trump. Granted Trump added some off the cuff shit that got blown out of context by the left, and Bill is just better at articulating his position.
>>70512059
Compromise is as so: Republicans/Trump get wall/better border control and controlled immigration like they wanted and the Democrats get the legal citizenship for illegal immigrants.
I'm pretty sure that's a compromise as both parties got something they wanted out of it.
>>70512106
I think it's cool that Bill has the same idea as we do it's just that he has to cover it up for the sake of his witch of a wife.
>>70512249
Keeping 30 million criminals in the country is not a "compromise" you cuck.
>Democrats get the ruined USA and guaranteed election from now until forever they wanted
>Republicans get a closed gate after the cows already escaped
Great compromise.
>>70512249
>>70512360
In fact, I could say that deporting all of them, and then allowing some of them back in instead of permanently banning them for life could be called a compromise.
>>70512512
I think this is the better compromise as well.
>>70512360
I meant the legal citizenship for those that are willing to work for it. If they are hard working citizens, pay taxes, and do not commit crimes during a probationary period (or at all) they are free to be US citizens in my eyes. My main reason why I have a dislike/hatred for Muslims in Europe is because they refuse to assimilate, integrate, and respect the culture of their host country. If they do those things I don't give a shit about the color of their skin or whatever. And again this isn't the be all end all solution. We could easily do the deport all let trickle back in strategy too.
>>70512512
Again, I said it was a compromise, not that it was the compromise that would end the discussion and leave all parties satisfied. You refused to call it a compromise and pointed out the parts that made it an agreement ie, compromise.
>>70508257
Look up Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews.
The Jews are both a religious and racial group.
Hence why you can get "atheist" jews.
>>70512742
A compromise is generally best when both parties are somewhat unhappy. Not when one party is ecstatic and the other is pissed off.
>do not commit crimes during a probationary period (or at all)
Why do you refuse to realize that this makes every single (((ILLEGAL))) immigrant ineligible?
The big difference is that there's stringent tests for who's worthwhile to become a citizen. Bank balance, achievements, skills, they need to contribute something.
>You refused to call it a compromise and pointed out the parts that made it an agreement ie, compromise.
You really think the "compromise" I laid out there is an acceptable compromise? >>70512360
I fear I may begin to actually understand just how deep your cuckedness runs and sympathize. I'm out. Good day gentlemen.
>>70513040
You are so deep down your shit hole of a country that you refuse to see that I was somewhat on your side but by insulting people all you did was make them not want to agree with you. I guess it's true what they say. You see the aussie flag you stay away.
