I don't even know.
>#ResistCapitalism
>Tweeted from my iPhone 6s
>>70479219
>All this reactionary butthurt
>>70479339
>If you buy stuff you must be subordinate to the system you live in
When will this meme end?
>>70479339
Who says a communist country can't make a smartphone?
>>70479429
>if i hate something it's makes sense for me to enable it by consuming it
>>70479517
reality.
>>70479219
It's doing well, been up a few hours, lots of tweets. Americans are waking up. We'll have our revolution soon. Bernie will lead us.
>>70479569
>Capitalism will end because I personally will stop buying things
>Capitalism totes isn't the global economic system and whatever one does will be within that framework
The west is fucking screwed. Our civ had its time. Ascension, achievement, and now this. Decline. Decline and disillusioned morons. East Asia will emerge as this century's power.
>>70479783
Shame. Bernie Sanders is liberal af. All out class war is what is needed.
>>70479429
>#resistcapitalism
>doesn't actually resist capitalism and actively participates in it with eager excitement for gimmicky products pandered to their demographic
>>70479429
The whole communist ideal is that a minority has more than they 'need, and those things should be taken away from them and distributed equally.
This means everyone lives at the same, low standard, where you have no need for such fancy trinkets as smartphones, as they are not required to survive and also use up rare earth metals, which are extremely limited in supply.
>>70479910
>i'm a commie
>others are commies
>somehow we can't all agree to stop using capitalist products
>>70479783
Bernie will lead us to the toilet.
>>70479966
that is literally not what communism is
It's 2016. Time to get rid of the old ideas. See Mao's Cultural Revolution for tips.
>>70480050
>Nuh uh
I'm open to a counterargument, this is not it.
>>70480027
Yeah since every other society that has even been a foot note in the pages of history wasn't also dominated by men.
>>70480036
You'd literally have to withdraw yourself from civilisation which is both stupid and counter-productive in the aims of anti-capitalists. You don't have to be unquestionably loyal to a system because that system "makes stuff". The French Revolutionaries didn't overthrow feudalism because they stopped wearing clothes fashioned under feudalism.
>>70480214
Communism is where the means of production are owned in common by the working class. Not "where we all make the same money and no one has iphones and shit".
>>70479910
>Whining on platforms owned by these companies is going to stop capitalism.
>>70479219
>be commie, see this this hashtag
>realize that it is just a bunch of fucking niggers and other lumpen elements and that they would simply replace the "capitalists" (economic elites) with other economic elites and call it a "revolution"
>mfw
Fucking third world marxism is cancerous .
Under Mao, those who were labeled "counterrevolutionaries" were purged.
Under Bernie, those who are labeled "racists" will be purged.
Label and purge. Label and purge.
damn...
you know he's right /pol/...
>>70480027
>men flourish in a meritocracy
>women need things to be handed to them
Pretty much
>>70480255
Excuses, excuses and even more excuses. Good thing most of you anti capitalists are excuse spouting pussies so nothing will change.
>>70480389
>Inb4 muh holodomor n christian genocide meme :(
>>70480310
except that's impossible in large populations of nations who engage in international trade for their needs
>>70480255
>You'd literally have to withdraw yourself from civilisation which is both stupid and counter-productive in the aims of anti-capitalists.
>it's not enough that we ruin our lives
>we have to ruin YOUR life too!
This is what I hear when I read your sentence.
>>70480475
Literally nothing to do with excuses. Nothing in anti-capitalist or marxist theory warrants you withdrawing from society entirely or accepting personal lifestylism as some kind of revolutionary praxis.
>>70479339
>#resistFeudalism
>while waving a pitchfork at the lords
What a hypocrite!
>>70480524
>"But if we didn't have globalised capitalism, how would we have globalised capitalism!?"
>>70480596
All changes in social modes of production have been inherently universal and expansionary. How the do you think capitalism came about in the first place? Revolution isn't about breaking off from the group and starting a separate society lol. Capitalism contains the seeds of it's own destruction.
>>70480036
Told status: Told
Bush's response to 9/11 of going to war with Iraq caused young people to lose faith in our country, our system, authority, adults, whites, men, Christians, and every aspect of the structures of our society.
SWJism is backlash. This anti-capitalism shit is backlash.
It's similar to the rebellion of the kids during the Vietnam War. And I'll tell you, the Marxists love it. Anytime the US does something monumentally unjust, the Marxists milk it to turn kids against the country and convince them that communism would be better.
>>70480027
Just because she can't buy things with her queefs it's not fair.
>>70480310
Where does the motivation to work, to innovate come from in that system?
Why should someone try harder to then live in the same condition that someone who doesn't work at all lives in?
Why would anyone work at all if the state takes care of all your needs?
>>70480874
not every country can be self sufficient or have a high standard of living when only relying on itself you cuck
>>70480915
>Anytime the US does something monumentally unjust,
Like always?
>the Marxists milk it to turn kids against the country and convince them that communism would be better.
So, tell the truth?
>>70480915
Marxists and globalists are on the same side now though. Shit is about to get crazy. The capital is going mobile and there is almost nothing states can do about it without crashing their economies.
>>70479339
Absolutely this. And retarded twittercucks don't know what rent seeking is.
>>70480956
The profit motive is only a prevalent motivating force because we live in a system which necessitates self interest for survival. There's no evidence to suggest that personal gain is the sole motivator for work.
>the state
>communism
Read up on your Marx 101 senpai.
>>70481009
>countries
>communism
You don't know what you're talking about
>>70481293
You are so going to regret crossing me in a few minutes.
>>70481064
Marxists work through criticism. They criticize the 10% that is wrong with capitalism and ignore the 90% that is good about it. On the reverse, they focus on the 10% that is good about communism and ignore the 90% that is bad.
What they should do is compare the good of both, and the bad of both.
Then it would come out like this:
Capitalism: 90% good, 10% bad
Communism: 10% good, 90% bad
But mostly what they do is talk about the bad of capitalism. It's a very circumscribed view where they have to ignore most of reality to get their ideas to work out. That's the weakness of communism: It doesn't work, but communists repeatedly ignore reality and keep digging themselves in deeper until eventually the whole thing comes caving in around their ears, and then they still don't ever admit that it failed. They're as bad as Christians in their approach to reality. Marx said religion is the opiate of the masses. And Marxism is just another religion, actually worse than any of the others, because instead of making up fairy tales about the unseen world they make up fairy tales about what is happening right in front of them.
>anti capitalism
Just let the world burn.
>>70481064
dont you have an antifa rally to go to corbyn
just please fuck off and kys
It honestly doesn't mean shit
you can get anything trending on twitter if you spam/shitpost enough
>>70480874
>communism kills millions of people
>wants to do it again
I'm a decedent of a Polish family from Europe. They came to america before world war 1, but we still had family over in Poland that we talked to via mail/telegram, whatever the fuck they used in 1900.
After the second war and Iron curtain came down. We never saw/heard from them again until the wall came down. When we talked to them in over 40 years they told us about the shitty living conditions and bread lines that existed inside Poland during the time under the USSR.
How will you avoid these conditions?
>>70480310
>mob rule over every mean of production
I'm sure a bunch of random people would be great at efficiently allocating resources and producing products and services they know nothing about. What could go wrong?
>>70481138
Global capitalism has given rise to a global working class which Marxists believe will bring about socialism. Capital always seeks new captive markets but there's nowhere left to expand.
>>70480027
wew howd she fit so many buzzwords in one tweet
>>70479219
I really want this to happen
so all this marxists fucks finally get a taste of what real communism is and they can finally shut the fuck up
>this commies think they will work at the big parts of the gov
>they think they wont be the farmers
>>70481443
>What they should do is compare the good of both, and the bad of both.
Have you read Capital? The whole thing is effectively a praise of the wonders and productive forces of capitalism.
Source on those 10%/90% figures tho.
>>70480874
>How the do you think capitalism came about in the first place?
People voluntarily exchanging goods.
The "workers" didn't once upon a time own the means of production until some mean old "capitalist" with a gun came along and herded them into a sweatshop to make pins.
>>70481443
>They criticize the 10% that is wrong with capitalism and ignore the 90% that is good about it.
Non-third world Marxists understand that capitalism by an large been a boon for humanity. Nol one is saying that capitalism was a mistake, just that it is time to move on to the next stage. A civilization cannot stay a slave to capital forever.
>>70481236
>The profit motive is only a prevalent motivating force because we live in a system which necessitates self interest for survival. There's no evidence to suggest that personal gain is the sole motivator for work.
You didn't answer the question. Why should someone work if he gets no benefits from it, that is has the same standards of living whether he works or not.
Not to mention giving up time and effort for it.
Marx was a member of the privileged class, he never worked a day in his life, he mooched of friends and family while pretending to know the 'workers struggle'.
If you advocate for a certain ideology it would be nice if you actually followed it.
>>70481610
doesn't need to happen
Just ship them off to Venezuela
>>70481529
Are you saying there aren't markets of consumers?
>>70481535
reads buzzfeed duh
>>70479219
lol fucking idiots have lived under capitalism their whole life, you'd be wishing you were dead if you lived under anything other than capitalism, leftist shitstains.
>>70479339
Yeah they don't have iPhones in countries with universal healthcare.
>>70481509
Capitalism kills 6-7 million people to death every year as well as a couple million more of hunger related and preventable diseases. Honestly I don't feel much sympathy for "muh victims of communism" (most of which happen to be fascists).
Also bread lines and rationing > people not eating
>>70481653
Marxists are highly critical of capitalism. They should turn their scalpel-like powers of critical analysis back on their own system that they propose, instead of giving it a free pass. Just go ahead and be as critical of communism as you are of capitalism. Then you'll prefer the latter.
>>70480653
>I can preach communism, but i'm not actually going to follow it
You're not a communist Anon. You're a hypocrite. Now I know what you're thinking. "What's the difference?" Now You see, a communist is someone who doesn't follow capitalism, it's more of the whole "take what you need, give what you can" kind of philosophy. And a hypocrite is kind of sort of, full of shit.
>>70481525
Worker control =/= no organisation or administration
>>70481653
>implying the typical Bernout read Capital
>>70481610
Why would there be any more farmers? In first world countries agriculture barely takes up 2% of the workforce and many countries are self sufficient. Russia had famines for centuries before the Bolsheviks and put an to it through mechanisation. Almost all socialists want to automate as much as possible and reduce the working week.
>>70481666
>People voluntarily exchanging goods.
Nope, it started with rich landowners enclosing land and forcing off the peasants (who became the industrial working class).
>>70481671
>just that it is time to move on to the next stage.
Which is WHAT exactly?
Please explain to me what the superior option to voluntary exchange is.
>>70481880
Holy shit capitalism is hardcore, it kills people to death.
>>70481666
>The "workers" didn't once upon a time own the means of production until some mean old "capitalist" with a gun came along and herded them into a sweatshop to make pins.
No, but the means of production were held in feudal social relations and this was overturned by the rise of independent landowners and nobles.
>>70479219
When the real revolution starts these fucking spoiled children of the bourgeois will be the first to hang.
>>70481880
Kills them, or doesn't save them? Meanwhile, how many people are saved by capitalism?
With capitalism: 7 million people starve to death every year.
Without capitalism: way more people would starve to death.
You're just making the wrong comparisons. You're comparing capitalism to perfect, rather than comparing it to lack of capitalism.
Evidence shows that people emigrate from communist or socialist countries to capitalist countries, even when they build walls guarded by soldiers to stop it (people still tried to escape east Germany and move to the West, people defect from North Korea into South Korea, etc.)
People immigrate to very capitalist countries like Hong Kong and Singapore.
>>70481529
Exactly. What capitalists fail to recognize, is that capitalism is globalism. Socialism is globalism.
The reason why capitalism "conquered the world", was because it maximized productivity/economic growth. And it was able to use its production and economic strength, to conquer or influence the rest of the world. Either directly through its military might and technological superiority, or indirectly by buying friends, and providing advanced weaponry to pro-Capitalist factions.
A global economy demands some kind of global-governance(international trade policies, international laws, international court of justice, United Nations, etc).
The outcome of capitalism, is a one-world government. But, once there is a one-world government, there is no longer a need for capitalism. Since there is no longer a country it has to compete with, there is no other world power which can bring it down.
Once you have a one-world government, you can finally get rid of capitalism, and replace it with socialism. Where it would most likely remain until the end of time(or the end of humanity).
>>70482105
Pissing our pants yet?
>>70481529
If you are saying there are not markets of consumers, I think you are wrong, hundreds of millions of Chinese and Indians are moving into the middle class, and they will start consuming. There are markets there galore to sell to.
>>70481880
>kills to death
...
But more to the point, why should anyone get benefits for simply existing?
Why should anyone be entitled to healthcare, food, etc. if they do not work to survive?
>Also bread lines and rationing > people not eating
And we come back to the original 'everyone is poor, but at least they're equal'.
>>70481236
>>the state
>>communism
Requires a gun numb nuts, because sane people don't want to forfeit all their hard earned money and resources. That is why anarco communism is the most retarded idea ever.
>There's no evidence to suggest that personal gain is the sole motivator for work
How fucking stupid are you? That is the same as saying "There's no evidence to suggest that hunger is the sole motivator for hunting."
I understand that we expend our energy on shit that we don't really require to live. But that's because we're fucking human beings. We have more abstract interests in life than merely surviving.
>>70481880
That's patently wrong. In Africa countries that were run by white people based on capitalist principles managed to grow food even in harsh environments (by investing in dams, etc.)
When they're now run by black warlords and corrupt socialist leaders, people starve.
>>70481880
>couple million more of hunger related and preventable diseases
>not doing something is the same as actively doing something
the people that don't like the hashtag are the ones making it popular
retards
>>70482044
>muh voluntary exchange
There is nothing voluntary about the current system. Even ancaps know that much. It is only under Communism (i.e. a system that has moved past capital, and subsequently the state) that true voluntary exchange can exist.
>>70479783
Bernie "replace the trucks with trains"
>>70482004
>Nope, it started with rich landowners enclosing land and forcing off the peasants (who became the industrial working class).
If they forced off the peasants, who exactly was working the land?
>>70481933
In Australia workers own corporations through the superannuation system (I'm literally a shareholder of our largest banks).
But we still need well-paid, qualified capitalist managers to run them, not a tribe of hippies who would distribute the money to Abos.
>>70479219
If it's a consolation, most people are mocking it.
>>70482144
I see nothing but evil in the future. And I don't see a way to stop it. I don't believe it can be stopped.
NAT SOC!
NAT SOC!
NAT SOC!
NAT SOC!
>>70482246
What the fuck am I reading?
>>70481880
Capitalism starves people to death and kills them!!!!!
If anything, capitalism works too well and it allows too many people to survive. We need to bring in communism so way more people will starve to death in famines and we can cut back the population some.
it's a meme
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0LHC6F6n_s
>>70481933
wtf does that even mean?
>>70480475
Pretty much. Until these commies start taking action and are serious about overthrowing a capitalistic society, I say let them have their day to bitch and moan.
>Nooooooooooooooooo!
>Stop buying things I don't like!
>Government knows best!
You'll have to pry my toaster from my cold, dead hands.
>>70481921
rekt
>>70482427
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_k4VfKR-cQ
https://www.youtube.com/watchv=oVA1gf2jAFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30jfaoulBAA
>>70479517
they can, and they're actually alright, but iPhones are a product of capitalism, and Huaweis phones are what you get from socalism. Huawei's phone's aren't bad, but you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who is tweeting dumb shit like '#resistcapitalism' that even knows that Huawei exists.
>>70482246
>There is nothing voluntary about the current system.
So you're claiming that this person did not voluntarily decide to become a drain on society?
>moved past capital
Would you kindly define capital for me so I can understand what it exactly it is you are saying we will be moving past?
>>70482655
He's cute :3
>>70482265
kek
>>70482797
lol
Sorry I forgot to take out the trash.
>>70482691
>Huawei's phones aren't bad
They're terribly constructed, things like WiFi stop working after some use, they're literally built to break down.
I know this because I used to work fixing mobile phones, and Huawei and chinkphones in general were all shit construction.
>>70479405
Reaction to what? I miss something?
>capitalism
Some are very rich, some are doing well and lots are poor.
>communism
The top of the government is very, very rich and the rest of the population is fucked.
This is my point of view. Prove me wrong, communists / socialists?
>>70482347
Yep. I think it's gonna be pee pee city here real soon.
>>70483142
Your communism point is wrong, in true communism nobody is rich, we are all equally poor.
Bread lines are a good thing.
>>70481880
everyone in America eats
I'm sorry if the rest of the world can't run a country
>>70479219
Capitalism works so well that there are more fat people than hungry people now. This is a first in world history.
>>70482460
The way to defeat capitalism is pretty simple, and its already happening.
All you really have to do, is destroy the nation.
To destroy a nation, all you need to do is destroy religion, destroy the culture, and destroy borders.
We are already seeing mass-immigration, which is undermining national unity/identity, in hopes of producing an international world.
You already see these silly Euros now imagining themselves as either "citizens of Europe" or "citizens of the world", instead of citizens of their respective countries. With Merkel wanting to throw open the entire union to unlimited immigration from Africa, Asia, and the Middle-East(let-alone what is happening here in America)
Religion in much of Europe is already practically dead. And it is dying all across the world. And you are seeing the destruction of regional cultures being replaced by an international/Americanized/Westernized culture.
Once "The West" is overcome with non-whites, and non-Christians. These countries will functionally cease to exist as independent nations.
Unless something is done, you've got a few decades before national borders become erased from the map. The clock is ticking.
>>70481443
Da joos created christianism to bring the roman empire down and now they created marxism to bring western civilization down, oy vey!
>>70482691
In fact it's worse than that, because they are bad *while copying Western capitalist countries* (just like the soviet union copied anything from cars to watches and computers).
If the entire world was socialist it would be worse.
>>70483346
Why is that a bad thing?
>>70480027
Typical middle-class, pro-communist cunt that has never lived under a communist regime. Wish cunts like that could be taken back in time to mother Russia under Stalin's rule where they would swiftly be shipped to Siberian Gulags for being "too rich".
Fuck, you could even take them to the USSR during late 80s, where buying toilet paper was almost a luxury because of the insane shortage of it.
>people smuggled jeans into USSR
>exotic fruits like clementines were rare and expensive and people would only buy them during holidays like New Year's Eve
Jesus fuck these people.
>dat captcha
>>70483142
>top of govnt is very rich
only because of outside capitalist influence
no true communistic society has existed simply because capitalism always thwarts it one way or another
>>70483549
Wrong pic
>>70483517
It's a good thing.
>>70483586
Sucks doesn't it. The moment when you don't know shit.
>>70483604
God damn it I am a retard
>>70481880
citation needed
>>70479219
> because your health shouldn't be dependent on your bank account.
>>70483586
It's because communism is pro-government control, which is bureaucracy on top of bureaucracy. Communism is not an effective form of government.
>communism killed millions of people in nearly every socialist country
>people still talk about it's economic value
>mfw
Communists are hypercritical of capitalism and exaggerate its failures (it's not perfect). Meanwhile, they are not at all critical of communism an ignore its failures, which are much greater than those of capitalism.
The reason communists exaggerate the failings of capitalism is so people will want to overthrow it. But communists never mention that communism is actually worse than capitalism. This is such a scam. I can't believe it's 2016 and people are still falling for that shit.
>>70482055
AND THEN WHAT?
>>70484125
there's a good reason why even the fuckign russians threw that ideology in the trash where it belongs
>>70484153
Give me your shit or I will kill you.
>>70484125
Pretty much this. I am not a fan of pure capitalism, but it's better than whatever the fuck communism has to offer.
>#resistcapitalism
>posted on twitter, from an iphone, while sitting at starbucks
yeah, you're totally resisting capitalism by throwing all your shekels down the throats of multinational corporations.
are these bernouts even self-aware?
>>70483549
The Soviet Union couldn't even create the microwave.
>>70484244
Check out these people when the Berlin Wall fell. November 9, 1989.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bN9ZRj3NBs
>5:50
>>70484276
what if its stuff you can't get unless I am alive and voluntarily consent to giving it
>>70483586
no truescots man
>>70484342
You don't mess with the new world order, the new world order is this so even if you are stupid which you very may will be you'll understand it so listen here it is.
>>70481880
>kills people to death
that's pretty fucking metal.
>>70483586
>Soviet Union wasn't real communism GOYIM.
This is why we throw them out of helicopters.
>>70484409
>Communism: So good we need a wall to keep people in!
>>70483346
Be careful about jumping to conclusions from misreading the data.
It is certainly true that "industry" and "technological advanced" has vastly increased crop yields per given acre, allowing populations to grow far beyond what was possible in the distant past.
But lets understand that we still live in a "Malthusian" world. Food production is still finite. Which is why people are becoming increasingly concerned about "population growth".
At some point we will again be at "maximum capacity", and a couple turbulent years could cause the starvation of hundreds of millions(and just imagine if we started heading into another "ice-age" or "glaciation/global-cooling").
With that said, remember, to a large extent it is America who is feeding much of the rest of the world. We export about half the grains we produce(and much of it goes to "food-aid"). If America's population suddenly doubled, we could no longer export our surplus, which would tighten food supplies around the world.
>>70484441
You can find, make or steal it either way it will soon even out.
>>70484523
>At some point we will again be at "maximum capacity", and a couple turbulent years could cause the starvation of hundreds of millions(and just imagine if we started heading into another "ice-age" or "glaciation/global-cooling").
better rev up those coal plants and oil generators then!
gotta prevent that ice age from happening
WHY DO I EVEN OPEN THESE THREADS? THEY JUST MAKE ME RAGE. GOOD THING I GO TO A BUSINESS SCHOOL, WHERE EVERYONE IS A CAPITALIST.
>>70479429
You can get fairtrade phones
>>70482427
>hi there, memethony memetano here
>>70484342
The Soviet Union was too busy racing with the US for no fucking reason. SU was quite advanced right up until 70s AFAIK, but central planning, shitty bureaucracy and suppression of free thinking brought SU to its knees.
This is why you had a number of Russian inventors flee to US - Sikorsky etc.
>>70480496
But Holodomor is a fairy tale invented Hohol Jews. Even more stupid than the lolocaust
Is this the future? Do you think America will ever not be capitalist? Or are these just the typical layabouts that every generation produces?
>>70484883
No the USSR was always quite technologically advanced until the day it died. The problem was that they didn't have any money.
Socialists need to be murdered so fucking badly.
>taking social media seriously
>>70484409
ironic that the system designed to cater to workers is not the one preferred by them. socialism BTFO of itself
>>70485249
This isn't typical, on the contrary it is much larger that what was seen in previous generations. This happens when a certain group of people get too comfortable. Too many people these days are living too comfortably complain about people that have it better than them. Those complainers fo not know any way of life that is worse though.
>>70484523
>cont...
Let my make a couple more points though as well...
Remember that the discovery of the "America's", was a significant factor in world population growth. The main purpose of colonialism was to send resources(and the most important resource of all, food) back to the colonizing country. Britain's population swelled long before the steam-engine was ever invented. As American and Canadian farmers sent huge amounts of food and natural resources back to the Empire.
America didn't really even settle this entire continent until a hundred years ago. My state(Oklahoma) got statehood in 1907.
Moreover, lets understand that, prior to the steam engine/internal-combustion engine. Much of the land that is now farmable, would have been left unused.
Take for example "rocky soils". To move rocks and make land suitable for plowing, we can now use tractors/backhoes/excavators. Many of them are hundreds of horsepower.
If it requires 100 horsepower to move a rock, it would have been simply impossible to move it in the past. Imagine trying to use a team of 100 horses to move absolutely anything. It not only would be a nightmare, but it would be logistically impossible.
The accomplishments of Capitalism are always overstated/exaggerated, generally by the advocates of capitalism.
That isn't to say that Capitalism hasn't vastly improved material standards. We are definitely "richer" as a result of capitalism. But, why does it really matter? Does richer mean better?
>>70481880
Lmao socialists ate actually this fucking retarded
Those people live in countries with oppressive governments.
Capitalism created an abundance of food for the lower classes.
>>70483586
>no true communistic society has existed
Because it's not theoretically possible
Holy fuck you people deny human instincts for fuck sakes
Your ideology is horribly wrong yet you never question it.
You rage you lose?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzy0mLRzf8Y
>>70485355
how can money be any important in comunism, as long as they have food comunism should work in theory, but people is selfish every single one of you don't give a fuck about people outside your social group or family that's why comunism will never work
I'm all for Bernie actually. Why not let the system collapse? You stupid keyboard warriors are all for muh happenings but then when something comes around that could actually CHANGE something you bitch against it.
You better be voting for either Bernie or Trump. Otherwise you're part of the fucking problem.
>>70485768
>hey comrades
FUCKING CHAMPAGNE SOCIALISTS
>>70485768
>aboot
fucking canadians
>>70485862
Pretty much this. But money is needed to make those technological leaps so communism would only work in a society that does not try to advance technologically in any way.
>>70485355
>The problem was that they didn't have any money.
Exactly.
The problem with the Soviet Union was that they needed international currency to continue their interventionist foreign policy, but they basically had nothing to sell to world markets except oil.
America made a deal with Saudi Arabia in the mid-1980's(during the Afghan War, watch Charlie Wilson's war for some context), to collapse oil prices, in an effort to collapse the Soviet Union. Oil production in the Soviet Union fell by about 30%, and profits dwindled even more. Sending the Soviet Union into a currency crisis.
This is what led to perestroika, which was an attempt to open up markets, to alleviate the cash shortage. This cash was desperately needed to continue fighting the Afghan War. Because the Soviet Union needed to maneuver its influence into the oil-rich Middle-East, before the United States took control of the entire region.
The Saudis effectively took the side of capitalism(IE America), because we promised to maintain the Saudi Monarchy, effectively indefinitely. Which is why we continue to overlook what is happening in Saudi Arabia, and never push for revolution there. And it is why the Bush family has such close ties to the House of Saud.
>>70485876
If Trump is denied the nomination and doesn't pursue an independent run, I will also vote for Bernie for the same reasons.
>>70485768
The promise of utopia was tempting in 1916 Russia, and it's still tempting in 2016. People have fallen for it before, with disastrous results. I'm not sure what would keep it from happening again.
>>70486336
>cont..
To put the currency situation into some context.
America can only maintain its interventionist foreign policy, because it is the world's reserve currency. America runs something like a $550 billion a year trade deficit, while maintaining hundreds of foreign military bases. This would be impossible without the machinations of the Federal Reserve.
If the American Dollar ceases to be the world's reserve currency, it will cease to be able to continue its interventionist foreign policy. That is why the "petro-dollar" is so important. As long as oil continues to be traded in dollars, demand for dollars will remain high(with high dollar reserves exported all around the world to facilitate that trade).
The moment oil begins being traded in any other currency, America's economy will likely go into full retreat.
>>70479910
There's nothing more pathetic than a pampered, white first world little turd whining about capitalism while living in a rich first world country.
>>70486406
To be fair, Russia wasn't exactly doing that great in 1916-1918 either. It was largely a poor peasant nation, with very little industry.
Stalin was definitely ruthless, but without a command-economy, Russia would have remained poor. And would likely have been even weaker circa 1939 than it already was. Stalin made the Soviet Union a superpower.
>>70485768
>Canadians
>>70486873
>If the American Dollar ceases to be the world's reserve currency, it will cease to be able to continue its interventionist foreign policy. That is why the "petro-dollar" is so important. As long as oil continues to be traded in dollars, demand for dollars will remain high(with high dollar reserves exported all around the world to facilitate that trade).
Is this why the US government/ the western elite sucks so much muslim cock these days?
are they against leisure time and abundant food?, i don't know whats going on anymore
>>70479910
>totes
you fucking faggot
>>70487562
>Is this why the US government/ the western elite sucks so much muslim cock these days?
This is the primary reason we suck so much "Sunni" cock. It is why we let the "Gulf States"(almost all of them are monarchies), do pretty much anything they want.
Plus, we are fighting a proxy war against Iran/Russia. Which has become a Sunni vs Shia war. We are taking the side of Saudi Arabia(the biggest oil producer in the world), while Russia is backing Iran.
We can't push the Sunni Arabs into the hands of China or Russia, or we're fucked.
>>70480027
>resist______
>______ gave way for patriarchy to flourish
these people really are idiots
>>70479339
I'm sure the corrupt village leader pointed out the irony of the peasants using the pitchforks he sold them in their raid while he was being stabbed to death by them.
>>70487605
capitalists see a mansion and think "everyone should be able to live like this".
communists see the same and think "nobody should live like this"
that's all you need to know.
>>70488600
Eh, its complicated.
Socialists are highly "materialistic". They usually talk about "progress". Which at least theoretically means they want to increase everyone's standard of living.
I would agree somewhat that they think mansions are excessive(since it is unrealistic to believe that every single person could have their own mansion, it is just logistically impossible). But they don't want people to be poor either.
Ironically, my major criticism of socialism, is its materialistic obsession, and its naive belief that "richer" means "better" or "happier".
>>70488600
And Communists know that someday everyone will live like that.
>>70487435
>ussr super power meme
>>70489987
Well, it was a superpower. At least when it came to military and technology, up until the 1970's. When it began to lag further and further behind "The West".
Its rise as a Superpower, was mainly because of its control of natural resources, which was able to feed its industry.
Had it taken control of Middle-Eastern Oil, it wouldn't have collapsed.
Without centralized control, it would be difficult to imagine the Soviet Union even existing, let-alone it becoming such an industrial power in such a short timeframe.
That isn't to say that I'm a supporter of communism. But its detractors tend to pretend that Russia was some kind of Utopia before Lenin and Stalin showed up.
>>70489987
In simplest terms, the states which comprised the Soviet Union, were the equivalent of third-world countries before Stalin showed up.
He turned them from third-world countries into "second-world" countries. He was able to turn a bunch of peasants in an industrial superpower, that, had it not been for the United States, might have overrun all of Europe and Asia.
>>70482427
he made this in response of this hashtag when it first started trending, yes some people are jokig in the hashtag but others are actually serious
>>70479339
I see nothing wrong with that.
>>70490814
USSR's power comes from "if you sacrifice enough slavs at it, you can accomplish anything"
Look at Stalingrad
>>70479219
That picture of the grocery store is from Socialist Venezuela
>>70491949
kek
>>70492913
What?
>>70493241
oh you're serious
KEK
>>70493351
You just posted a screenshot of my flag.
>>70493522
I've done much worse things to your mother, believe me
>>70479219
>resist capitalism
>picture shows a bunch of GOVERNMENT workers doing nothing
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