What does /pol/ think of fracking?
>>70472282
Anything that interferes with saud oil is a good thing.
>>70472282
It's literally raping the earth, Shitlord.
>>70472282
It has come quite a long way in recent years and environmentalfags cling to a shitty Netflix documentary to argue against it.
>>70472282
It's destructive
It can permanently damage the environment. We need more breakthroughs in order to use it.
>>70472509
Explain what's so shitty about that documentary, Doctor.
>>70472282
just fuck my groundwater up
not like we'll need it in the future or anything
>>70472509
Franknation is a really good response documentary.
>>70472602
this
>>70472282
Earthquakes are nice, they spice up the daily lives of people living in flyover states
>>70472328
>yep lest destroy our fertile lands to take energy whic can came from free sources like the sun
i say scrub the bush dynasty and all the petrol industry , why burning petroleum which is more necessary for things like plastic and lubricants and has better uses than make a couple of corrupt families rich.
go tesla go tesla
It's another wonderful innovation by the white race. A glorious achievement that the primitive races never thank us for.
>>70472282
/pol/ loves fracking because I tell them to.
>>70472282
Explotation of nature. Karma will punish America for this
Demonstrates rightful masculine domination over nature
>>70472282
Proxy? Our communications class is literally doing talks about this shit. And from the info we got most of us seem to think it's positive. As it improves cost efficiency of gas based energy and doesn't seem quite as harmful as other fossil fuels.
>>70472665
I'd say that's a good point Ameribro, if they don't know to proof their pipes and extraction sites. How much does Merica even use their groundwater? I hear it's mostly bottled water there.
In Finland we get most of our water straight from the ground and drink it from the tap because it's god tier clean.
>>70472282
I think that your image is extremely misleading with regards to the proximity of horizontal wells to groundwater.
>>70472328
first comment best comment
>>70472873
b-b-b-but muh water contamination!
>>70472753
>scrub the petrol industry
No thanks, I have no interest in living like a Colombian. Fracking has resulted in the sauds flooding the market with cheaper oil, driving gas prices down. Besides that, you only frack on shale formations, not anywhere. And with millions of square miles worth of fertile land, we can spare a bit. Cry more hippie.
>>70472602
>we drill a giant hole through miles of bedrock and pump hyper-pressured steam through to crack the rock apart and tear the oil from it like a juicy orange
>b..but anon it's destructive
swecuck
>>70472873
whatever, i just typed fracking into google images
Fracking is the greenest form of energy.
>>70472282
fuck fracking, buy from the oilsands
>>70472988
Was just about to post this. These environment fags are the most anti-science retards out there.
Their argument: Don't rape the earth and cut down the poor tree to build a house for yourself!
Faggots.
People, who are unironically against this, fell for dumb leftist and green propaganda, they are the same type of gullible people, who are against genetic engineering and nuclear power.
>>70472282
It's spectacular for the provincial economy and doesn't have any environmental impacts (and/or potential impacts) that aren't also present in every other resource extraction industry.
>>70472636
Fuck you, explain how fracking is bad and I'll tell you how clinging to a Netflix documentary along the lines of Supersize Me is fucking retarded.
Petroleum Geophysicist here
>>70472613
>>70472602
>>70472665
>>70472753
>>70472827
these comments are completely wrong and they are parroting what they have been told
Ask me anything
>hydraulic fracturing DOES cause earthquakes, but magnitude 3/4 at MOST which is basically your stomach rumbling
>DOES NOT pollute ground water, we are fracking at least a mile below the earth's surface, water tables only go down 200-300 feet
Believe me i know there is a lot of dis info on this. So ask me to clarify things and I will give you my expert opinion
>>70472282
Laziness. We could take what's under the middle east by force, split it with Russia and China and damn the ragheads to eternal poverty.
But no, they have rights, for some reason.
>>70473202
>trust me guys I have the facts, nevermind that my entire livelihood depends on people having a positive image of fracking
>>70473202
It should be mentioned tho, that geothermal energy can also cause earthquakes and that the very same people who despise fracking are mostly having a hard one for this.
>>70472282
Its a pretty modern technology, we cant know yet the bad implications it may have for nature, or at least they dont show them that much.
>>70472282
people are going to die from the earthquakes... but plenty more where that came from
>>70472282
with enought fracking the earths crust will frack itself.
so theen i vote to invade midleast and frack their lands.
>>70473202
>Petroleum Geophysicist
you must be the richest guy on /pol/
>>70473426
>>70472665
Hello Mr. Expert
Surely you can provide a link to at least one case of fracking operations contaminating groundwater?
>>70472282
gave me a decent paying job.
should be done away from water tables and shit though
>>70473557
Add another 10x that and you are getting close
>>70473426
thats not a question.
I have a Masters in Geophysics, so if you want answers I can give them to you
>>70473445
hej brudi, ich möchte mit einer deutschen öl firma arbeiten. Das ist mein Traum. Kannst du mir ratschläge geben?
>>70473426
>then: we must become energy independent!
>now: stop fracking! you are killing mother earth!
>then: there are people starving! we need more food!
>now: genetically modified plants are evil! ban them!
>>70472973
LOL
lest make corrupcion great again!!!
you wish gringito that you could live in land SJW free , filled whit tradicional women who still know how to be women.
pls build walll to keep gringos in usa and stop the cancer of american culture
fracking is killing the chicken to take the egg inside
is inefficient , destroy the land and only work for a few people in the industry (not even the final user which is you faggot)
nuke the saudis , and make the bush poor
lest go to the future and leave the gringos behind Go HIPPY tesla Go tesla.
enjoy your slavery to petroleum faggot.
Reservoir Engineer here. I love it.
It's no big deal. Like global warming though it gets way more attention than actual legitimate environmental concerns such as mountaintop removal.
>>70473670
kek not really. I've only been on the workforce about 2 years (turning 25 soon). Got my masters less than a year ago while working/studying.
>>70473908
Petro brofist, where do you work?
>>70472282
nuclear waste water, sinkholes, and earthquakes
also
>non renewable energy
>>70473202
LOL
it only it does
explain to me shell shill why we dont go solar?
whats wrong whit solar ?
plz tell me 1 good reason to keep burning good resouces.
>>70472282
Nothing wrong with fracking. Most of what upsets people about it is caused by shitty well casings and not by fracking itself. The industry does need to do a better job in maintaining well casings but that would be true whether or not old wells were fracked or not.
>>70473909
>mountaintop removal
ok new question, what does /pol/ think of mountaintop removal?
>>70472282
its good if you are doing it the right way but americans always use the cheapest way and dont regulate cooperations so they destroy the nature
>>70474053
>whats wrong whit solar ?
it's shit
>>70473614
>Brazil
>Invade the middle-east for Oil
You lot have plenty of Oil with Pre Sal but you sold it immediately to George Soros and Petrobras
>>70472282
>Mfw getting a degree in Petroleum Engineering and worried it'll die by the time I finish.
Help
>>70474058
/thread
came here to post this
>>70473970
Can't say name since small company but I work with price plays in the New Albany and I sometimes do work in Colorado. We aren't hurting too badly, production says we're around $35-40 breakeven.
>>70473077
Fuck the oilsands
t. oilfield worker in manitoba
>>70474235
Houstonfag here. All my PE friends have gotten laid off already. Shit sucks
>>70474345
Had a friend who got a job in Fort Mac over in Alberta. She lasted about a month before running back to the city. It's not the life for everyone.
>>70474235
If you're in top flight school (UT, A&M, CSM) you'll be fine. If not you'll have trouble.
>>70472282
I don't give a shit until people give me an alternative
>"coal, gas, oil, bad bad bad evil evil evil!"
>So what do you suggest? Nuclear?
>"Too dangerous, we need more solar and wind!"
fuck liberals
>>70474053
>explain to me shell shill why we dont go solar?
too expensive to produce when compared to fossil fuels/petroleum. simple economics. i hope technology gets better soon but we have had solar panels for some time now, they still havent gotten to be more cost effective. When that happens you will see more alternative energy. Thats just it, really. Start up costs and small returns.
>whats wrong whit solar ?
see above. one day. For space stations and satelleites it makes more sense
>plz tell me 1 good reason to keep burning good resouces.
because we need the energy to power the world today. If you ask me tidal energy is probably the best bet right now for alternative energy on a large scale (tidal stream generators and tidal sails specifically)
>>70474274
East texas here also at a small company. We are doing pretty well down here, i got my quarterly bonus last month kek. We only do domestic E&P and are mainly extracting rather than making new wells at this current time
>>70472282
It's not as bad as the media would have you think if done correctly. Similar to nuclear power.
Most of the horror stories you hear (ruined groundwater, shit in the water, etc.) are due to carelessness.
From an engineering perspective, it's absolutely ingenious.
>>70474535
i didnt go to any of those schools, (Texas Tech and SMU for masters)
>>70474235
>>70474440
It's a huge boom/bust field. You really have to be good about saving money when times are good to make it through oil glut periods like now. Bad time to graduate but sooner or later prices will go back up and the shut down fields here start back up.
>fracking
>literally fucking up a stable layer of crust
>thinking it has no long-term consequences whatsoever
Well,it's your country,fuck it up however you want.
>>70472282
CALL IT EARTH RAPING NOT FRAKING YOU KEK
sauce it rapes our ground water the thing that makes earth earth ironic as phuk based namers of planets
>>70474558
Good to hear, I'm a UT grad and interned with a small company in Texas, liked it there but too hot for me.
>>70474345
kill fracking, kill US relations with Saudi Arabia, enjoy our beautiful petrodollar as the US's only source of oil
>tfw /pol/ realizes Canadians are jews
>>70472282
It's a way to access abiotic oil, which is a renewable resource.
>>70474053
>explain to me shell shill why we dont go solar?
whats wrong whit solar ?
As with wind, solar energy is incredibly unreliable. Whether or not you have a stable electrical output is literally dependent on the weather. There's also the other problem, which is for now much more important: exuberant cost. Solar power and wind power need to be heavily subsidized in order to be practical for consumers, and the necessary innovations required for either energy source to ever become actually /profitable/ may or may not ever come to fruition. Technological transitions like the one from fossil fuels to renewables should come naturally, because of scarcity's effect on supply and demand, and private investment in green technology, not because the government uses taxpayer dollars to rig the game.
>>70474572
How,pray tell,is fracking similar to nuclear power? I'm genuinely curious.
>>70474626
>Tech
Fuck, you're gonna have problems. They're the reason there's a surplus of PEs, they increased their enrollment 4 fold from 2008 from like 250 to 1000
>>70473867
>I wish I could live in the 2nd most known land of cartels and subhumans.
>>70474687
Russians are experts at fucking up their own country, I might heed your warning.
>>70474687
Don't worry Russia bro.
When your easy oil starts to run thin, you'll be fracking for the final drops too.
>>70474823
Oh dude I am not a PE. I majored I'm a petroleum geophysicist.
Funny thing, if i used to think if i were to do it again i would just do PE. Would've been easier for me.
>>70474835
Nah,m8,we fuck up ourselves,but the land stays pure for the most part. We kinda give a shit about who comes after us,not so much ourselves.
>>70473844
Just because people want something done, doesn't mean they want it done by any means necessary.
>>70474714
Got a link for that claim?
>>70474572
melt rock burn gass yea amazing how about harnesing that big ball of fuking fusion keeping our solarsystem togeather and resposible for all life on earth eh
>>70474992
yeman but ill overvuew it for you pump in hazzardous chems .. the overvuew stops there yo cannot contain that shit
>>70474792
It's not "similar" in the physical means, I just meant that it can have bad consequences if done poorly, good consequences if done well.
>>70474920
When our oil reserves starts to run thin,by that time scientists all over the world will be looking for ways to replace oil. In terms of raw volume,we might outlast everyone.
>>70473202
credentials or GTFO
>>70474958
My mistake, thought you were>>70474235. I've heard the larger companies are skimming over tech since they've been really increasing their graduating glass.
>>70472827
Typical anti-right logic. "Karma"—a solid, factual argument. Who cares about science when we have karma, right.
>>70474823
>tfw not a PE because it's too hard to find one to work under for the required time
>>70475001
>how about harnesing that big ball of fuking fusion keeping our solarsystem togeather and resposible for all life on earth
We use fossil fuels more so than we use solar power because the former is more reliable and less expensive than the latter. Renewables generally aren't profitable, at least at this point.
>>70472282
I love the idea of fracking in the US. We can build a LNG port on the german coast and get Cheap Gas/Oil from our american allies. The best part is that we don't even have to ruin our environment since the pollution and destruction is in north america.
>>70473836
Warum denn ausgerechnet eine deutsche Firma?
Auch, tut mir leid ich habe keine besonderen Kenntnisse der deutschen Ölindustrie und kann Dir nicht mehr sagen, als Du mit etwas googlen herausfinden könntest. Aber vielleicht kannst Du mir etwas helfen, ich werde bald mein Studium beginnen und werde auch Petroleum Engineering studieren, kannst Du mir vielleicht etwas über die Industrie und die Arbeit an sich erzählen?
>>70475064
Oh,I see. Though it's still debatable,since there's zero to none research into long-term consequences of fracking,and this is just my opinion,but shattering a layer of the crust,especially in a seismically unstable area,can result into something pretty shitty.
>>70472282
I sure as hell don't care as long as is not in my country. Other wise and s literally squising rocks for oil.
>>70475169
im not argueing that what im saying is humans are fuking retarded for not using the sun for 100% of its energy requirement and shit like this just takes away from that reaserch hurr durr we running out of a finite recourse lets use more finite recourses ...absolutly shoking my friend
>>70475138
kek I am not posting my diploma, company, or anything. I told wrote about my schooling above.
If you have questions about the field then I am happy to answer.
>>70473202
Nice try JIDF
>>70473077
>get pure petroleum from shale
>or import tar that has to be refined from Alberta
nah, fuck you.
>>70475239
Don't know why you would need that LNG pipe when we get our natural gas from sand nigger countries like yours anyway. :)
>>70475332
inbe4 the sun is finite yes and thats why we need space programs
>>70475281
Well, fracking's been going on since the Hugoton in 1947, and there's been no problems there
So many envirowhacko kike Hollywood shills ITT
EPA did a huge study on the effects of fracking and found no issue with water contamination.
https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2015-06/documents/hf_es_erd_jun2015.pdf
>>70475387
do you get the chemicaly you use back out after you have used them? are the chemicals you use massively dangerous?
>>70475387
I know that feeling, my name and pic's on the company website.
>>70475332
I really hope you are an immigrant because you're making the UK look terrible right now.
Dangerous horrible stuff.
Isnt fracing for natural gas, not oil?
>>70474053
>shell
>at all being involved in shale
nigger, the super majors have been almost entirely pushed out of the shale market. they were too busy dicking around with crude to build the infrastructure necessary for fracking.
>>70474053
It's unreliable,expensive and wasteful.
Wind and Hydro energy are much more reliable.
>>70475537
spelling is spelling its not my stronk point but i type those in less than five seconds and my keyboard is 10years old
>>70475435
Oh that's easy to explain. We could import about 10% of our yearly need through that LNG port. It could make us independent from russian pipes and we could save a lot of money on the world market.
>>70475577
Kill yourself swedcuck trash subhuman
See
>>70475473
>>70472282
Do it in 3rd world countries where politicians don't care if their citizens get sick from the chemicals like the US or Canada.
]>>70475473
>EPA
>US Environment Protection Agency
>shale oil is a major investment and a saving grace for US in terms of oil prices
Sure,I thought they were gonna say it's dangerous for sure.
>>70475692
>Greece
>>70474824
we produce it
you use it
i am pretty sure you are a satisfied customer
enjoy your 3rd word internet in your 3rd world infrastructure
there is a reason trump is saying let's make america great again .
because you are not longer great , be a good goy and keep repeating to yourself how great is to be free under the kikes foot.
>>70475654
Hahaha. Oh you.
>>70475704
Hey Germacuck subhuman brainwashed mongoloid
See
>>70475473
>>70475491
You get the majority of the chemicals back, but it's in over 99% water so it's either recycled or injected into wastewater wells (I work in an area where we aren't mandated to recycle it). I'm not in productions but I do know that BTEX is used in some cases. That shit's bad, but some drilling mud uses it too and nobody bitches about that.
>>70475578
Gas and oil. Most wells are multiphase so the same flow equations apply-> increase permeability, increase production.
>>70475613
Doesnt Exxon do a lot of fracking? They were also advertising it in Germany, but our gubmint practically banned it.
>>70472988
Thank you based Norway, sven cucks and envirofags are idiots.
>>70475578
fracking is a method of extracting shale oil trapped thousands of feet underground in rock formations.
its pure petroleum oil that requires virtually no refining.
>>70472988
Holy shit norway I love you
Pennsylvanian here. Fracking would make us the Texas of the northeast. Gib Marcellus monies plox.
>>70475786
>>70475473
Didn't we tell you to cut your costs to pay the debts? What are you doing wasting electricity and bandwidth for shitposting?
How I am funding my NEET lifestyle.
>>70475792
just set me straight here meri bro the rocks are melted and turned into natural gas ... you use 90%water how ruthless is that 1percent chem if there are any chances at all of it getting into water *earths most preacous natural recourse* do you not think we should do somthing about that?>
>>70475491
At my old job I had a chance to talk to the guys that worked at a well stimulation company.
The vast majority of the fracking mixture is water and sand. Other ingredients are guar gum and trace amounts of other chemicals.
I believe he said the breakdown of frack slurry is something like 95% of the mixture is water, guar gum sand with the rest being chemicals for the given application.
Guar gum effectively acts as a gelling agent for the water to suspend the sand in the water, but guar gum itself is a natural ingredient from trees found in many foods we eat.
He did mention that in Texas, they tend to use more hydrochloric acid (the shit in your stomach) as a means to break down limestone.
The people complain about it should go live in a wood cabin in the middle of the woods with nothing.
That is life without Oil.
>>70475274
Ich will in deutschland leben mit einem deutschen suessmaedchen. Die deutsche sprache interessiert mich so sehr. Seit ungefaehr 6 jahren lerne ich deutsch. Wie alt bist du?
Ich wuerde an der uni UT gehen (oder Texas A&M). Ich habe gehoert von erfolg von Chemie Ingeneur (statt petro ingeneur).
Sorry I must post in english now (bitte poste auf deutsch/englisch wenn du willst, ich versteh gut). The main thing is connections. I did geophysics so not many laymen know about our part in the oil industry, I am the scientist, the engineers are the engineers. I just tell you about what's down there basically.
>>70475491
in texas there isnt much liberal regulation (as in unnecessary). Typically we don't get all the chemicals back. Chemicals aren't really dangerous as far as i know, but I am not an environmentalist (which are looked down upon in the oil industry as brainless quacks). There are think tanks researching methods to reclaim the filler materials and frack 'safer' (which is already pretty safe) but that is above my knowledge.
>>70475530
same senpai, also what do you think about the petroleum geophysicists? reservoir engineers are bro tier
>>70475735
Well Obongo and the kike establishment is against oil and fossil fuels so explain how this study got published. Also the EPA is 1 million times more reliable than any government agency from your slavnigger corrupt cleptocracy shithole country
>>70475801
they might be trying to get into it now. but the big petro companies missed out on most of the scramble here.
they didn't think it would go anywhere when shale was starting up.
>>70473202
Have you worked on a frack site before? Are you an engineer? Kinda need confirmation on this shit man, it's 4chan.
>>70475332
>we running out of a finite recourse lets use more finite recourses
All of the evidence tells us that we're not anywhere near the point of 'running out' of fossil fuels. Proven reserves have always and probably more-or-less-always will grow, through discovery of new deposits and technological breakthroughs allowing the utilization of old deposits. We'll continue to find more oil faster than we can consume it until we no longer have any need for oil and are terraforming Mars or whatever.
Throughout all of human history we have consumed less petroleum than the current world's proven reserves, and the Canadian province of Alberta alone has more oil in its unconventional deposits than the entire world has in that 'proven reserves' metric. Human society probably will transition away from fossil fuels at some point, but it won't be because of incredible scarcity and it won't be any time soon. It will also likely not be a complete transition—we might start using electric cars more often than cars with conventional engines, for instance, but petroleum isn't only used to make gasoline. The keyboard I am typing on right now, the desktop I'm looking at and the shirt I'm wearing are all petroleum products. So are almost all of the components of a Tesla electric car.
Technological transitions should come naturally, not from government interference. Oil can and will stay as humanity's first option for exactly as long as it's the best option, dollar for dollar.
>>70475769
No actually I'm not, tried coke once. Pleb tier drug. But you are right. Gonna build a big wall to keep you subhumans out. Too many of you = country becoming shittier. Surprise. Have you considered that you're wasting the resource of oxygen? Please be a leader and try carbon monoxide instead.
>>70475801
Wir haben eine spezielle Art von Schiefer hier in Deutschland die anders als in Amerika nur mit Wasser gefrackt werden könnte. Das würde unsere Umwelt kaum belasten und wir hätten ein massives vorkommen an Erdgas. Unsere Grünen wollen das natürlich nicht aber so wie es ausschaut werden unsere Nachbarländer das sowieso machen - der Umweltschaden könnte also der gleiche sein falls er überhaupt existent ist nur Deutschland kriegt kein Geld dafür.
>>70473202
WHY THE FUCK DO YOU GUYS BELIEVE THESE ROLE PLAYING FAGGOTS???? YOU MUST ALL BE FROM AFRICA.
>>70475942
from what i hear, a lot of texans are moving up there to get at your shale.
>>70475473
>state-funded United States EPA did a study on fracking
>results were hardly any risks
>let's ignore studied from independent science organisations
Good goy
>>70476065
petroleum geophysicist. I work closely with engineers, mainly I tell them about salt deposits where they want to dig.
>>70475952
Stop memeing that hard you insufferable faggot autist and go read the study you double digit IQ niggerkike. Clueless faggots commenting on a complex issue without even knowing the basics. Faggots such as yourself should be gassed you pathetic piece of shit
>>70472282
Unsustainable - high establishment costs, short well life then combine that with a low oil price means that whole process is unsustainable for the long term.
>>70472328
If you want to interfere with Saudi oil then you'd be better off coming up with a better plan than the current one of cheap money and economically unsustainable fracking not to mention the environmental damage it does.
>>70476133
someone is jelly of our profession :^)
>>70476009
Aggie alumni here.
What are you saying?
>>70475868
>no refining
Please read something before posting. Even a Wikipedia aricle will suffice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale_oil
>>70476026
>kike establishment
>against oil
Well,with that great a sense for ways to make money no wonder you tourist shithole will never climb out of debnts. And our agencies don't give a shit about fracking,by the time we can possibly need it,the american agency would've done the job.
>>70475995
Only way the chemicals would get into the groundwater would be if you fractured a horizontal well and somehow had several thousand ft of fracture length which is not going to happen, perhaps the petro geologist in this thread could explain geomechanics better. The likely area for contamination is at the casing going through the groundwater, but this is the same type of setup for ANY well. If people say that this is the problem is fracturing, they don't understand that this is just a fundamental completion for all drilling operations.
Thank you based yanks for fracking and making saudis so butthurt they made oil prices ridiculously low.
>>70472282
Its made me lots of money.
t. South Texas
>>70473202
Citationz please. Ideally from studies not funded by the industry.
>>70472753
North Dakota fag here, those lands in western nd are not fertile. My side of the state however produces more sugar beats and wheat than the rest of world combined.
>>70476009
I love my company's 2 geologists, they are old guys but they'd be /pol/ users. At UT my professors always used to joke to have your geologist as your best friend.
Why the German though?
ITT: We roleplay as being knowledgeable on a subject
>>70476260
Saudis are flooding the market with oil and cannot keep it up.
They wanted to crash all other competition and bankrupt everyone, but in reality they will just destroy themselves.
Death to OPEC.
>>70476260
You're welcome. It's mainly because the technology has come so far. I have a bunch of friends who went and worked up in North Dakota for a few years. Sadly, the Saudis flooding the market has seen a few of them laid off for now. I can't wait until those sandniggers run out.
>>70476164
Kill yourself you stupid brainwashed sandnigger scum.
>independent science organisations
Like what post some sources you enormous faggot. And no some kikewood documentary on Youtube about some redneck lighting his water tap on fire is no evidence you cretinous fuck. Kill yourself like right now
>>70476206
>Unsustainable - high establishment costs, short well life then combine that with a low oil price means that whole process is unsustainable for the long term.
It's sustainable enough that the companies engaging in it are running a profit, and that is the only level of sustainability that matters. Every energy source is given some level of start-up assistance by governments, but no solar power project or wind power project or really any other renewable energy project has approached being half-way profitable without massive subsidization.
>>70475999
This is true, HCl is in many commercial frac solutions, but most people don't even know that HCl Acid washes have been done for 150 years.
>>70476232
>Please read something before posting. Even a Wikipedia aricle will suffice.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale_oil
okay
>raw shale oil can be immediately burnt as a fuel oil
wow look at that. NO REFINING
>>70472282
Let's frauc for guac.
>>70476260
The quicker we run them out the better. Then we can get back to our own reserves.
>>70476260
We hate Arabs so much we made gas prices drop.
>>70475868
>pure petroleum oil that requires virtually no refining
The fuck are you talking about?
A lot of the frac'd shit is condensate which is cleaner, but even that requires a lot of processing to be anything useful.
>>70472282
10/10 fuel source.
it's saved us from the oil kikes.
>>70476195
>trusting american intelligence
They fooled us and their own people many times so you'll have to understand if I'm skeptical. There's just too much money involved.
>>70476260
they dun goofed cause as soon as they cut back production to drive prices back up we will start it up again
>>70474790
Thought only Ruskies believed in abiotic oil. Never seen an American talk about it. Problem with abiotic theory is that if it were true, the rate at which it is produced would be much too low for our consumption needs. If it weren't, the Earth would have long ago been covered in a layer of oil thirty to forty feet deep before we started burning it. The math MIGHT work out if you combine with the Young Earth Creationism since that would mean the abiotic production had only been going on for 6000 years.
Alright so this is the Petroleum Geophysicist again.
The oil wells that are polluting are wells that were drilled in the 60s, when fracking was becoming more widespread. We are better at this now and it's typically the wells that were drilled decades ago that are causing the problems (and probably worked on by fuckboys)
Basically we can get about 50% of the oil out of a well fairly easily. The more we want to get out of it the more difficult it is (and expensive). It truly is a complex process
>>70476229
I would choose UT before aggieland for PE. I did my UG at tech
>>70476342
I have been learning it since I was 15. That conversation doesnt concern you boy. He's just asking about how to go about studying PE in america, i recommended UT, then A&M (fuck Tech)
>>70472282
It's good, don't believe the propaganda fracking is not as bad as it seems
>>70476213
I have like 3 well logs on the floor next to me that I want to timestamp but I'm too lazy.
>>70476091
bro we use like 8 barrles to 1 pumped and its the most cost effective but certainly not the right option
>>70476239
fair point to make i just worry about ground water ALOT http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/04/epa-fracking-study_n_7511836.html
does the water based frak actually melt the rock?>>70476009
>>70476471
> many of its applications require that it be upgraded. The differing properties of the raw oils call for correspondingly various pre-treatments before it can be sent to a conventional oil refinery
Wow,look at that,if only you didn't have a stroke the moment you read what you wanted. You really think you can just fill up your car with shale oil and drive off happily into the sunset? That shit can fly maybe with a really reliable generator,which doesn't give a shit what it's running on as long as it burns,but everyday ICEs need a finer fuel than that.
>>70476403
>sandnigger calling me sandnigger
>trusting on kike reports and studies
You are the biggest kike licking stupid goy here, shitskin. Kill yourself
>>70472282
I'm not opposed to it but it isn't necessary yet so I'd rather they not do it, at least until it's possibly safer.
What I AM opposed to is this somehow legal bullshit where if your neighbors sell their land (to an oil company) you're compelled to. I forget the term but it's like collective bargaining and eminent domain had an ugly child.
>>70476574
>so you'll have to understand if I'm skeptical
Based on what? Tens of thousands of wells have been fracked and there has been no evidence of systematic water pollution. Why exactly are you "skeptical" when the issue is already settled?
Just because you saw a video on Youtube produced by Hollywood kikes? Kill yourself you bluepilled cuck
So fellas what are some future energy that we are closing to encountering besides fracking?
Also how much innovation in energy have these corporations held back?
>>70476725
>does the water based frak actually melt the rock?
no, the pressure cracks the rock. The oil (or gas) is in the rocks. and we basically crack it out of it
>>70476471
>okay
>>raw shale oil can be immediately burnt as a fuel oil
>wow look at that. NO REFINING
I've seen just about everything that comes out of the ground in the Eagle Ford Deposit.
Oil that clean is going to be rare and just because you "can" doesn't mean it would be a good idea.
>>70476403
Here is one. http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/acs.est.5b04970
I welcome anything which accelerates the downfall of our vile species.
>>70472328
>I'm executing the next generations in order to get a minor win in economy today.
Capitalism in a nutshell.
>>70476670
What's this retarded theory about oil not being organic got to do with us?
>>70476771
Still waiting for those "independent science organisation" sources Ahmed you disgusting sandnigger manlet.
I work in completions so I love frackers because they usually fuck the well up super bad at the heel or stage tool and then we roll in and do an ezpz job to find their fuckup then leave.
>>70476874
makes me feel a helva lot better it dosent contaminate drinking water i get but what about just water?? http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/05/us/epa-hydraulic-fracking-water-supply-contamination.html?_r=0
all the stuff says dosent dinking water not dosent water ??
>>70475999
>well stimulation company.
They should set up a video game division.
>>70474722
Summers are brutal here desu
Fracking brings way more benefits than it costs. It doesn't help that most anti-frackers bring up solar/wind as if they're even close to being suitable replacements.
>>70476725
If you are really curious, there are 3 ways that the EPA test could detect frac fluid in groundwater:
1. The fracture somehow went an impossibly long distance in a horizontal well and hit a water source. Not going to happen, if we could frac that great distance vertical fracturing would be amazing for profitability.
2. Casing failure. This is not from fracturing but any normal drilling operation. I think there have been a few wells with this problem, but again it has nothing to do with fracturing.
3. Surface spills. This is the most common. Sloppy fracture crews let some of the fluid leak and it seeps through the surface to the water table. Aquifers naturally filter this out--after all, city pollution all goes into the earth this way as well.
>>70476091
I hope you're trolling, otherwise you're really fucking stupid.
>>70472282
I don't know enough about it to have a proper opinion.
>>70476718
just answer questions, no need to timestamp.
>>70472873
>implying fracking companies are telling you the truth
>>70476361
ITT: liberals getting butthurt about facts... as usual
>>70472869
Americans primarily get their water from the sink. It's very rare that someone drink bottled water exclusively, rather than when it's convenient like when traveling or something.
Those potentially affected by fracking are usually those with old private wells in rural areas, and rural folk area even less likely to use bottled water (unless they have to.)
>>70477139
mayb fraking is smart for now i guess then but idk what anyone says we should be trying to harness the thing that everything on this planet from the moment it was created has derived energy from >inbe4 muhh extremeafiles you know what i mean
>>70476142
It's true. They're talking about building a pipeline to Philly to get the gas to refineries easier.
https://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2016/04/01/phillys-energy-hub-a-renaissance-for-the-delaware-valley-or-a-pipe-dream/
https://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2016/03/29/philadelphias-shale-boosters-want-more-pipelines/
Of course, this being Philly, the libtards want to fuck it all up.
>>70472411
The earth will be fine.
What you're concerned with is that the earth continue to serve you.
>>70476976
It's usually blogs shilling for the kreml that write about it. "Your politicians are lying to you about the oil running out etc."
>>70477346
very astute anon but harmony over tyrany amarite! lol
>>70473426
Your doctor must love you
Fracking shouldn't be banned. It needs to be available. Just to keep the Saudis and other exporters, over producing.
>>70476985
In comparison to your turk-raped country where everyone is a shitskin by now, the majority are White here as Germans on /pol/.
You first need to learn that
>>70476009
>Seit ungefaehr 6 jahren lerne ich deutsch.
Merkt man, Du sprichst ziemlich gutes deutsch.
>mit einem deutschen suessmaedchen.
Hast du auch einen schwarzen bullen :^)?
>Wie alt bist du? Ich wuerde an der uni UT gehen (oder Texas A&M). Ich habe gehoert von erfolg von Chemie Ingeneur (statt petro ingeneur).
Ich bin erst 18 und gerade mit der Schule fertig geworden, wenn ich mein Studium beendet habe würde ich gerne in den USA bei einer Ölfirma arbeiten, aber bis jetzt ist das natürlich nur Träumerei. Ist Dir das Studium eigentlich schwergefallen?
>>70476976
>An abiogenic hypothesis was first proposed by Georgius Agricola in the 16th century and various additional abiogenic hypotheses were proposed in the 19th century, most notably by Prussian geographer Alexander von Humboldt, the Russian chemist Dmitri Mendeleev and the French chemist Marcellin Berthelot. Abiogenic hypotheses were revived in the last half of the 20th century by Soviet scientists who had little influence outside the Soviet Union because most of their research was published in Russian. The hypothesis was re-defined and made popular in the West by Thomas Gold who published all his research in English.
Russia isn't solely responsible for the theory but it does seem to be the hotbed of abiotic belief... at least back in the Soviet days.
>>70474068
Fuck mountains
>>70477203
Then read this
https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2015-06/documents/hf_es_erd_jun2015.pdf
>>70476009
based science man is there any water at all down there?
>>70476969
I think you mixed up capitalism with socialism friendo. I just believe in science, not 'muh trees'.
>>70476009
What about drilling directly into fault lines? They've proven that these cause minor to moderate earthquakes.
>>70477667
>spamming the US funded pro fracking report
>shilling for free for the kikes
lel, dumb goy
>>70472282
Earthquakes and flaming water are cool.
>>70477756
Oh, you don't even want to know. It's brine, though, not fresh. My job is to maximize hydrocarbon extraction while limiting brine extraction. The Water-oil ratio only increases over time so that is why there is so much produced water being injected into wastewater wells today.
>>70477589
Yeah,I saw that,but all the other mentions of USSR research just mention some undisclosed USSR research with no quotes,no publications,nada,even while looking in Russian. And no sources on Wiki,so I'm enclined to believe it was one of those Cold War "Look at those idiotic Soviets,you don't wanna be like them do ya?" kind of things. I mean,the general audience is pretty dense here,but out scientists(real ones) are bretty good.
>>70472282
I think it was a reaction to ridiculous US broadcast rules.
>>70477308
I don't know why anyone ever responded to this guy.
Are you twelve? I don't give a shit if it only took you five seconds to type each post if your posts all look like shit. I can do a lot of things very quickly very poorly, but I don't because I don't want to be attached to shit.
>>70477913
wow awesome bro always good to know but that gets contaminated right? even though we now know that it only somehow craks the rocks chemicaly and dosent actually melt them?
>>70476725
>bro we use like 8 barrles to 1 pumped
You probably don't need to me tell you that figure isn't correct. I realize, of course, that you were exaggerating, and I do get your point, but you need to realize that the most cost-effective energy source IS the "right option". All of the costs of producing energy using a particular method are included in determining whether that method is profitable. All of the fuel and manpower and every other expenditure of a project has a financial cost that is weighed against the profits to be made.
>>70477875
>flaming water
Kill yourself retard
https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2015-06/documents/hf_es_erd_jun2015.pdf
>>70478004
content over context
>>70477821
>I think you mixed up capitalism with socialism friendo. I just believe in science, not 'muh trees'.
Science saying it's harming environment Mr "it's a conspiracy from China" fedora.
>>70478045
true and i get that makes it cost effective but i dont see how that makes it right?
>>70478038
Most of it is already contaminated with hydrocarbon anyway. There is something called "wettability" that explains this. The thing idk if you're aware but reservoirs aren't open caverns in the ground, they're like sponges with a ton of pores full of fluid. The pore spaces are filled with both water and oil so you really wouldn't want that water even if it were fresh.
>>70478101
You know as well as I do I'm not going to read that and neither is anyone else.
I think fracking is a good thing to know, its a bad thing to implement widespread like they have.
We really need to wean ourselves off that shit and fracking like fucking crazy and bottoming out the prices isn't fucking helping anyway long-term.
I think it's deliberate, Obama wants to ruin the economies of oil exporting nations like Russia and the middle eastern emirates.
>>70477552
>Hast du auch einen schwarzen bullen :^)?
bitte, ich hasse neger und mexikaner
Es gibt nicht so viele leute mit denen ich deutsch ueben kann (deutsch als mutterspreche). Und leute die deutsch 'lernen' sprechen sehr scheisslich (ist das ein echte wort? es ist wie schleisslich kek)
Ich weiss nicht wie in der uni als auslander gehen wenn du weiss bist. Ich habe nur pajeets und ching chongs gesehn. Aber ich denke dass sie hier waren.
Das studium war eigentlich schwer (aber mein schule Tech war einfach, meisten hier sind behinderten cowboys). Lern oft und mach dein hausaufgabe und bereit dich fuer pruefungen. Und ich bin ein Petrophysiker, nicht petro ingeneur.
Mach sicher dass du kannst auf englisch lernen
Ich reise nach hamburg fuer urlaub im sommer. Was soll ich sehen? ich planne ein zug nach flensburg nehmen (um ein maedchen zu treffen)
Hast du skype?
>>70477756
ground water? yea 200-300 feet below the surface. That's basically well water.
>>70477841
>What about drilling directly into fault lines?
im in texas so no fault lines here but i hear there are 3 richter scale earthquakes in oklahoma
>>70478228
cool and i was somewhat aware. there are also underground lakes and rivers im mad on water fyi =D ty for info ameribro
>>70472282
I don't like setting faucet water on fire.
>>70478127
>'Science mostly backed by hippies with 'muh trees' bias.
Nope.jpg
>>70472282
I enjoy fracking
>>70478373
i meant were you frak bro but ty
>>70478104
That's bullshit and everyone knows it. Poor presentation shows that you don't care about what you're doing, so why should anyone else?
Besides that your content is garbage and shows a lack of understanding alongside a lack of willingness to understand. You seem either underage or retarded.
>>70478248
>I'm not going to read that and neither is anyone else
Why not you retarded mongoloid? Are you a nigger or something? It is a scientific study by the EPA that answers many of the questions about fracking. What did you expect in a topic about fracking other than a scientific study on the issue? Stupid faggot kill yourself
>>70478512
>Why not you retarded mongoloid?
To make you mad.
>>70478127
Hey you subhuman communist sandnigger the science is settled kill yourself trash
https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2015-06/documents/hf_es_erd_jun2015.pdf
>>70478463
no, no water is down there. Look at a cross section, it's all rocks down there, and the temperature increases the further you go. Eventually you get to molten rock
>>70478424
>I tip fedora and be selective about science.
>>70478481
lol you just like hating on people dont get it twisted and to put what im saying more hilariously
if you lost ur arm and someone regrew it instantly but you thought they didnt present it very well. you are mad and thats an assumption gl being a book judge
>>70478570
Typical amerinigger kill yourself you butthurt mongrel go watch the Kardashians you fat ugly piece of shit
>>70478512
This.
based greece.
>>70478624
Yeah, nice story.
>Govt. Scientists Admit They Deceived the Public About Fracking's Impact on Drinking Water
http://www.alternet.org/environment/shocker-govt-scientists-admit-they-deceived-public-about-frackings-impact-drinking-water
>>70473970
Texas Pipeliner (Price-Gregory) reporting in.
>>70478657
Indeed. If I did, I'd be a dumb cuck along with you and these people:
www.greenpeace.org
>>70478715
lol
>>70478101
>The cases occurred during both routine activities and accidents and have resulted in impacts to surface or ground water. Spills of hydraulic fracturing fluid and produced water in certain cases have reached drinking water resources, both surface and ground water. Discharge of treated hydraulic fracturing wastewater has increased contaminant concentrations in receiving surface waters.
The fucking paper admits that drinking water has been contaminated, you just read the first line that said there hasn't been "widespread, systemic impacts" didn't you, you fuck?
>>70478782
>alternet
Fuck off with that ridiculous source you smelly inbred manlet monobrow commie sandnigger abomination. Kill yourself
Official EPA scientific study>whatever commie kike propaganda you posted
>>70477875
>flaming water
yeah that was a hoax
>Texas’ 43rd Judicial District Court found last year that the Texas landowner Steven Lipsky, “under the advice or direction” of environmental activist Alisa Rich, “intentionally attach[ed] a garden hose to a gas vent — not a water line” and lit it on fire.
>>70473867
>graduate from petroleum engineering in 2014
>still haven't found a job
Is suicide the only remaining option?
>>70478953
That means the frac crew spilled shit on the surface. You take a barrel of the shit, tip it over, and it gets into the groundwater. That's not part of the fracturing process. Produced water comes from all wells (or at least all the ones besides dry gas) so every well has that issue.
>>70477920
During the Cold War we translated and published most of the Soviet academic journals so if the research did exist, it wasn't published in a journal that we in the west could get our hands on. One nice thing is that the Soviet Journal of Antarctic Research was used to solve the mystery of the lifeboat on Bouvet Island. Another entry in that journal from the same year featured a Soviet doctor performing an appendectomy on himself without anesthetic since he was the only doctor on the ship.
>>70478481
also i think long term you clearly think about presentation ahh thats why company's get away with shitty products but massive add campaigns? do you work in marketing
>>70472873
>You've drill into the aquifer creating a point through which gas and toxic fracking fluids can escape into aquifer
>Cement casings are pretty much known to degrade and break apart regularly
>>70478895
It's reality. Good luck letting nothing but dirt to the next generations to drink.
>>70479004
>commie
From all the world Greece calling me commie. A country where if you made it to the middle class people calling you corrupted and don't deserve it and took their money and such. A country based on working with Gov and get the most you can out of it.
If there there's a commie country in the world today, it's you.
>>70479203
What was the answer to the bouvet island lifeboat? How did they explain the copper parts on the island?
>>70472282
Its bad but better than saudis I guess?
>>70478953
Oh boy a retarded Britcuck what a surprise. It literally says surface water in the shit you quoted you braindead faggot cuck. That means the the process of hydraulic fracturing is safe unless the wastewater is not treated properly in the surface.
Stupid sperglord kill yourself you have the reading comprehension skills of a nigger.
