How could it have been saved?
>>70458672
didnt need to be. the romans were the bad guys they were just the only ones writing history.
>>70458672
No it could not, it was too far gone by the time of Diocletian
All empires die eventually, Just like how the West is in free fall today, except we'll likely take the rest of the world with us to the dustbin of history.
>>70458672
Northern border wall to keep the filthy immigrants out
Abort Nero.
>>70458672
It couldn't. To govern something that vast you need something more than pony mail.
Also with their knowledge they couldn't possibly predict how massive the population of barbaricum will become, or that everyone from Rhine to Finland will want the slice of roman pie.
Scale back to Italy which is very defensible and create alliances with the Latinized countries north of the border and in North Africa while pulling out of countries that had not been fully Latinized.
>>70459211
This
By submittibg to their Getmanic overlords sooner and not adopting christianity
>>70459211
>pulling out of countries that had not been fully Latinized.
So the East? The West was fully Latinized apart from Britain.
I thought this is the map of the future caliphate.
>>70458800
#notallromans
>>70458672
It's a miracle that it lasted that long.
>>70458672
The Visigoths attempted to cross the Danube while fleeing the Mongols. The Roman legions prevented them from doing so but there was a public backlash and the legion officers involved lost their jobs. The Eastern Roman emperor allowed the Visigoths to cross provided they lay down their arms. In return for their allegiance they were given some shitty land to farm. The Eastern Roman emperor then armed the Visigoths and incorporated them into the auxiliary. The Visigoths then betrayed Rome, killed the Eastern emperor, and sacked a bunch of cities in the East and West. This softened up the empire and the Huns finished the job.
Rome could have been saved by keeping out the filthy, treacherous, Visigoth barbarians instead of taking them in as refugees.
Needed to fully accept Christ and reject degeneracy.
>>70458672
No. France and the UK both have bigger economies than Italy. Unless you want to assume geography doesn't influence economics, the fall of Rome was inevitable as soon as they started to develop and civilize the north
>>70459211
>>70459275
>abandon the eastern provinces where nearly all of the tax revenue and grain comes from
it's almost like you guys are retarded. there's a reason the eastern roman empire survived another 1000 years.
the correct answer is abandon england, hispania, gallia, germania, keep italy and the east.
Genocide of the eternal ''aryan''.
They only had to listen
Maybe if they had the telegraph or some shit. The extent of my knowledge about the fall of the roman empire is that it got too big.
>couldn't conquer us
Just like everyone else.
Nice "empire".
>>70459958
>bust of marcus brutus
>pompeiusmagnus.jpg
literally wut
>>70459874
mfw history repeats itself
>>70459925
This is actually the best answer
>>70459925
why abandon gallia though, they were pretty much romans bitches and quite content about it
Remain a republic.
>inb4 m-muh land area, muh pax romana
Land area that drained Roman resources, more citizens from all across the empire that destroyed the Latin identity, emperors being assassinated left and right by either those who sought their position or their guards when they started fucking everything up. As interesting as it is to read roman history post republic you have to admit that they most likely would have been more stable if they had kept power with a senate and reserved emergency dictator powers for, you know, an emergency and not for the rest of their civilizations history
>>70460133
cheap (you)s
>>70458672
Destroy the senate and purge the ruling class for starters
Replace them all with lower level patrician families and a new emperor
Stomp out Christianity with an empire wide coordinated infiltration and espionage tactics
Get rid of the jews while you're at it too
Intensify the war effort in all directions using the money taken from the previous ruling class
Genocide in most conquered lands to avoid treacherous and vengeful barbarians unless they show strong signs of integration and romanization
Conquer British Isles fully, expand north into Scandinavia and up and est to Ural mountains
Down south into the Sahara and sub-Saharian Africa
East towards fully annexing the middle east and central Africa until India
>>70460291
> they most likely would have been more stable if they had kept power with a senate
Yeah but the troubles came from the senate to begin with
>>70458672
They needed to get their house in order. Roman civil wars were the real cause of a lot of their problems, along with general instability at the top.
People on /pol/ will tell you that the barbarians at the gates were the problem when really it was a completely different situation from today. The peregrinus were gradually becoming accepted as Romans, just as the Latins had eventually become accepted as such after several civil wars and social changes. By the later period, some of Western Rome's greatest generals and patriots like Stilicho and Aetius were from far-flung provinces of the Empire. Just a couple hundred years back these defenders of the realm would have hardly been considered "Roman" at all.
In some ways, you can argue that the Empire was saved and the real change is that the importance of Rome itself was diminished. for one thing, it's clear that the empire needed to be divided into separate states since it was too large, unwieldy and unmanageable for a single Emperor to rule. That's exactly what happened and the Eastern part of the Empire ultimately did quite well. The Western part was beset by too much instability.
>>70460220
because it shared an indefensible border with germania. there's a reason the french today are named after a german tribe (franks).
Is there actually something that the Western Romans could have done better or is this all 20/20 hindsight? Can we point at decisions and say "they should have know better"?
>>70460468
Say that to my face motherfucker and not in the comitium and see what happens
>>70460220
because they shared an indefensible border with germania. there's a reason the french today are named after a german tribe (franks).
>>70458913
The barbarians came in from the North.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_Period
>>70458672
Apparently relying on German mercenaries and having shitty emperors did them in
>>70460131
More like they just couldn't be bothered. There was nothing in Scotland of value to anybody. Just a bunch of tribesmen in skirts. It the same reason no one conquers fucking Chad or Rwanda, there is no point.
>>70461126
s-shut up
>>70460155
HIstory doesn't repeat itself, but it sure as hell rhymes.
>>70460131
Don't look now lad, but your Scottish flag seems to have some red in it.
>>70461126
And this concept even works retroactively. When they got the gold they wanted from Dacia they just let it go basically.
>>70458913
WHEN THE BARBARIANS SEND US THESE PEOPLE, THEY'RE NOT SENDING THEIR BEST. THEY'RE PAGANS, THEY'RE RAPISTS, AND SOME, I ASSUME, ARE GOOD CITIZENS.
JUST THIS YEAR, YOU HAD BEAUTIFUL MARCUS, KILLED BY AN ILLEGAL BARBARIAN. OUR STUPID PATRICIANS DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. WHEN I'M EMPEROR, I'LL PUT A STOP TO IT SO FAST.
>>70460835
No fun allowed: the senator
Were there any Roman emperors who weren't complete savage sub-humans?
>>70460175
Pretty much. Just abandon hispania entirely and just set up fortified trading outposts all along the coast all the way back to Italy
>>70461727
Says the people who didn't have anything resembling civilization until nearly 1000 years after rome fell.
>>70461679
>>70458913
Today's circumstances have nothing to do with how the Roman Empire was back then.
As I pointed out, a lot of the top brass in the Roman army as well as many of the soldiers themselves were people from Gaul or even Germania or parts of Eastern Europe.
![1429653801208[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/qHt3BL2.png "1429653801208[1].png")
>>70458672
>>70460175
>>70459211
Rate.
>>70461727
You don't even know about Marcus Aurelius by name?
>>70458672
>Majorian's fleet doesn't get a storm that wrecks it.
>Invasion of Africa proceeds as planned; Vandals genocided swiftly
>With Africa under control, Roman finances are no longer as severe and piracy is put in check
>Extra money is now used to pay soldiers and mop up revolts
>Peace prevails as Rome recovers
>>70459925
No keep Hispania, it paid for itself and was a steady source of manpower.
>>70461940
>no constantinople
wtf maaan, you had one fucking job
>>70461727
marcus aurelius, hadrian, claudius,
>>70461911
Yeah, I don't think these people understand how rich "mainland" Romans were and how much they depended on the provinces for the actual functioning of it all by that point.
The people from the City itself make the "I wunt free shit" socialite-people look hard working by comparison.
>>70461940
Mussoweenie/10
>>70462151
It stink also cats.
>>70462372
It stinks because of all the Turks. That's why we'd Carthage the city.
>>70461940
Utterly indefensible/10
Pannonian flatlands north of the Danube would be subjected to constant raids by horse fuckers and a waste of money. And at the time, Hungary, Austria and Bohemia were pretty poor and sparsely populated.
Secondly, Egypt was both the breadbasket and largest single source of revenue for the empire, along with being a trading port to India and China. Abandoning it would be suicidal. Similarly with Syria and Asia Minor, who were also large, heavily populated and wealthy centers.
>>70461940
Not bad. You might want Constantinople so you can tax ships moving between the Black Sea and the Mediterranean
>>70462120
okay but you have to govern it and keep those fucking goths and vandals out. we are still building our wall across northern italy through transalpine gaul. if you need help there are no more rhine legions to bail you out. legions are to be stationed along the wall in northern italy, on our side of the danube, and from antioch to jerusalem to deal with those fucking sassanids
>>70458672
better develop western half
treat Germanic barbarians less shiftily
push Romanization aggressively as a condition for entering Rome
>>70461940
>not using the danube as a natural border
>not keeping constantinople and the hellespont
>choosing carthage over alexandria
absolutely commodus tier t.bh
>>70462650
Shipping troops is both faster and cheaper than marching them from Gaul to Hispania.
You can easily ship auxiliaries from North Africa, plenty of cheap Berbers eager for glory in war.
>>70462820
Commodus did nothing wrong, just got a bit arrogant towards the end.
>>70459925
But wouldn't it just by Byzantine Empire then? I mean, that didn't do that well in the long run.
>>70458672
> Empire spanning three continents
> Iron age technology
It was too fractured to ever be an eternal empire
1) Create and push the "Roman demos". People are to feel and identify as Roman with loyalty to the concept of rome and as much as possible not to people, generals or regions. Conqured regions must have their own identity suppressed and have roman identity and loyalty substituted.
2) Consolidate power. If people wish to conquer beyond the borders they have to go on their own without legion backing. Maintain good relations with the nations they establish but don't overstretch such that you cannot maintain internal order.
3) Export roman identity rather than rely on unsustainable expansionism. With luck, barbarians will want to join of their own will when hearing about rome rather than submission.
4) Develop sustainability in the economy and structure for public life. I.e.: develop society such that people can combine: Work, child rearing and educaiton (roman values, roman identity).
5) Mandatory service in the military to build character, patriotism and have local levies who can defend villages from barbarians.
>>70463367
1000 years is a long time familia, and its collapse was in no way guaranteed.
>>70458672
>it could have been saved
"The History of every major Galactic Civilization tends to pass through three distinct and recognizable phases, those of Survival, Inquiry and Sophistication, otherwise known as the How, Why, and Where phases. For instance, the first phase is characterized by the question 'How can we eat?' the second by the question 'Why do we eat?' and the third by the question 'Where shall we have lunch?"
Douglas Adams
The final question is the problematic with all civilizations,Rome was no exception.We can only hope for the longevity the current western civilization. Although,there is only downhill after this degeneracy phase,sorry to tell you that guys.
mfw I am witnessing the death of the giant
>>70463413
>3) Export roman identity rather than rely on unsustainable expansionism. With luck, barbarians will want to join of their own will when hearing about rome rather than submission.
Fucking Christians and their agenda. This is just a cover for the Roman genocide. You want to completely muddy the Roman race with stinky barbarians blood.
>>70460835
mfw ill never live in Pax Romana
>>70463542
I have some amount of hope that future technologies that already exist, and the ones in the making and the ones not even thought of, will be able to save us from collapse.
But seriously, the whole world changed massively with the atomic bomb. The whole script for warfare and clash of civilizations has been rewritten in less that a human's lifespan
>>70463834
oops i replied to the wrong person
>>70463834
You wouldn't want to either.
Don't hype it up as being great, it wasn't.
>>70458672
No, they allowed Jews into positions of power. It was doomed from the beginning.
Celts > Goths > Romans
>>70460561
This. Very well said anon. The empire, particularly in the west, didn't last because they couldn't devise a political system that could suit them.
>>70463967
>Celts
Look I hate Romans as much as the next person but Celts were shit tier in comparison.
Read up on Boudicca's uprising, shows you how shit the Celtic Britons were against the Romans.
>>70463952
why would you not want to live under Augustus. literally the most stable time in the entire Roman history.
>>70458800
yep, romans were savage child raping shitskins who got BTFO by the noble pure Germanic tribes
>>70461727
They stood up to the plate and adopted their wife's sons. They weren't savages.
>>70460131
>>70464265
kek
>>70463855
Techonogical annihilation does not worry me. I admire the way our human civilization adapted to the threat of nuclear armageddon,we adopted it in as a tool on a geopolitical scale.
Humans are fucking amazing and full of potention,no doubt about that. I am worried that our western civilization will implode from the degeneracy it has created. That is a factor that is more dangerous by a couple of order of magnitude. We live in a dark world,corrupted and weak roam the Earth. Do not mistake me for a Bible fearing nut,I am simply deeply concered for the direction and fate of our civilization based on the historical records of our human endeavour.
>>70461727
Pertinax wanted to be pretty based but the Praetorians wouldn't let him
>>70461727
Constantine?
>>70464471
trust me we do this every few years. And it's always the end.
Check out this footage from a roman battle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0SNjnsi_rM&nohtml5=False
>>70461747
Abandoning the north of hispania and North of Gaul would come a bit more handy I think. But oh well, opinions are opinions
>>70458672
prevent Caracalla giving the citizenship to everyone
it literally killed the recruitment for legions and paved the way for the barbarization of the Roman Army, then Romans found themselves with only barbarian soldeirs and got obviously destroyed
citizenship in exchange of serving in the army was a core element of Roman greatness
you contribute to the Roman cause-> you get the citizenship and a piece of land for yourself and your family, thus enjoy what you protected so far
once everyone became citizen, nobody had any reason to enlist anymore
>>70458672
Are there any good book titles about rome empire?
It would be better for the world if rome last 1k years more.
They were bringing light, with sword and fire, but it was light.
>>70463277
erm... no. commodus withdrew from germania when the war was winnable and then spent his entire career fighting giraffes in the arena and killing people who offended him. his assassination marked the end of the pax romana and ignited the year of the five emperors. marked the end of the emperor as a uniting force for the senate/army and signaled the beginning of emperors who were only loyal to the army. gibbons puts commodus' reign as the start of the fall of the empire.
>>70458800
They were cruel but they were also very smart. Their culture was very strong, it probably saved them from being defeated by Hannibal.
Boudica was a queen of a province in britain and when her husband died he had it in his will to give his lands to both the romans and his wife, sort of joint custody. the romans came in and tried to take her palace or something and then flogged the queen and raped her daughters when she objected to her treatment. The queen then organized a revolt which is justified. She then amassed tens of thousands of troops 80k+ and went pillaging roman towns etc, a force of 10k romans went to stop her and their generals speach before the battle was:
"Ignore the racket made by these savages. There are more women than men in their ranks. They are not soldiers—they're not even properly equipped. We've beaten them before and when they see our weapons and feel our spirit, they'll crack. Stick together. Throw the javelins, then push forward: knock them down with your shields and finish them off with your swords. Forget about plunder. Just win and you'll have everything."
The romans then utterly crushed her and only lost 400 or so men while killing around 80k
it says something about their discipline and courage if u ask me
>>70459874
>Mongols
>American Education
>>70458672
I'm just waiting for
>Romans were on the wrong side of history
Nonsese. Western Civ is apparently a bad word now
>>70465539
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_History_of_the_Decline_and_Fall_of_the_Roman_Empire
https://archive.org/details/p1storiadiroma01paisuoft
http://www.amazon.com/Handbook-Life-Ancient-Lesley-Adkins/dp/0195123328
http://thehistoryofrome.typepad.com/the_history_of_rome/partial-bibliography.html
http://www.amazon.com/Republic-Thomas-Spencer-Jerome-Lectures/dp/0472088785/ref=pd_sim_14_3?ie=UTF8&dpID=51PebGM1rVL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL480_SR345%2C480_&refRID=07T4RQ5MPJHPB4V1NT61
http://www.amazon.com/Fall-Roman-Republic-Related-Essays/dp/0198148496/ref=pd_sim_14_6?ie=UTF8&dpID=31WvW6G3w-L&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL480_SR318%2C480_&refRID=07T4RQ5MPJHPB4V1NT61
http://www.amazon.com/The-World-Late-Antiquity-Civilization/dp/0393958035
http://www.amazon.com/History-Rome-Down-Reign-Constantine/dp/0312383959
http://www.forumromanum.org/literature/caesar/gallic.html
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/6400/6400-h/6400-h.htm
Thank me later.
>>70459874
>Ameridumbs calling the Huns Mongols
thanks i needed a laugh.
i'm glad that 60k/year college education is doing you guys wonders.
>>70458672
It was doomed.
>>70463855
but these technologies could devastate humanity instead of helping us. let's take the atomic bomb for example, it serves as a war deterrent, but it also allows tyrannical regimes to hold power indefinitely. we could liberate north korea long ago without the existence of nukes. i think that a regular war every once in a while is much less dangerous than a nuclear arsenal in the hands of someone like kim jong or putin.
>>70466561
>Be Canadian
>Die after waiting 8 months for a doctor
>>70465596
Based Romans
>>70461940
>No Egypt
enjoy starvation retard
not Rome so much but cool book.
A Splendid Exchange: How Trade Shaped the World
>>70465539
>>70465539
Upadek Cesarswa Rzymskiego, Peter Heather, wydawnictwo Rebis.
W każdym Matrasie/empiku, ciekawie napisane.
>>70466797
Why should we liberate Korea? They should liberate themselves. Foreign meddling is the worst, you as a Russian should know best.
>>70466808
>be american
>die after not affording doctor
>>70465596
never again
>>70467514
Where is this??
>>70458672
It morphed into the British Empire, then we fucked up, and now it's the American Empire.
But the bongpire has yet to be beat. Even by Yanks.
I reckon the Chinks will be the next after America declines.
>>70466797
>we could liberate north korea long ago without the existence of nukes. i
Incorrect. NK had no nukes for the longest time. Nobody is willing to pay the immense cost of war with NK, nor deal with the fallout, both literal and political, of using nukes against them. Terror-bombing (the WW2 term) is a big no-no. So the situation is: not worth it.
>>70467495
foreign intervention is the only way to save people from militarized tyranny. you should know best since without US intervention, germany would be in ruins and genocided by soviet hordes.
>>70467505
>be Swedish
>Wake up to the sounds of Islamic prayer
>Greet your wife and her boyfriend Mohammed
>Insult Americans on the internet for problems getting affordable healthcare for 330MM people
>>70467748
my point is that without MAD north korea could be easily liberated by stealth tactics - foster insurgency, give out arms to the people, assassinate kim and the generals... but now any attempt at this will result in them annihilating Seoul, so... 20 million people will suffer forever under nuclear tyranny.
>>70460131
good thing anglos conquered the roman empire and scotland.
>>70468240
>destroy Seoul
This has been their trump card before nukes. They have enough artillery near the border to level it "conventionally". Didn't even need nukes.
>>70468655
even then this threat is pretty hollow because all those armaments are very old
>>70468833
Doesn't really matter.
Only advancement of modern arms is to hit pinpoint accurately. But if you wanna level a city, oldshit works just as well.
>>70469072
old as in not likely to work properly
>>70458672
Adopted their successors rather than letting their sons rule as emperors
Marcus Aurelius should have adopted a favorable man instead of passing the throne to his son Commodus
>>70469538
>a favorable man
russell crowe?
>>70469289
you're kidding right? the germans could probably drag out old Krupp guns from their museums and level a city no problem if they wanted. old weapons, if not left outside to rust, work fine.
Also, Kill the entire Praetorian Guard with extreme prejudice
Don't let those fuckers tell you what to do
>>70461283
>using Trainspotters logic
Scotland wasn't colonised despite what SNP cucks will have you believe.
Also there's blue in our flag
>>70458672
They should have genocided the germanic tribes and barbarians.
>>70461126
>>70461228
kek'd
>>70468143
>be american
>>70468448
>good thing anglos conquered the roman empire and scotland.
American education.
The Romans pulled out, Anglo-Saxons came in.
Normans beat Anglo-Saxons, Welsh, and Irish.
Scotland Union late 1600s early 1700s
>>70469853
Yeah, Anglo-Saxon King Alfred the Great was 800s AD
>>70470063
And William of Normandy defeated and conquered 200 years later
>>70461911
A non-trivial portion of the american military is hispanic
>>70469657
what about the ammo because I doubt north Korea maintains them as well as the Germans maintain their antiques
>>70467514
New York 100 years ago
>>70467736
bongos, british empire was like 1800-1919
You are missing several hundred years
>>70467514
This picture is perfect. The people so white, the grass so green, everything is so clean. I need this life
>>70458672
Not splitting the empire in two for a start.
>invade the rest of britain and ireland
>secure the frontier in africa and the middle east against invasion
>invade into germania and russia
>clamp down on the degenracy that is killing rome from inside
>stop fucking with the military, it's fine as it is
Then again hindsight is 20/20
>>70467505
>be swedish
>Die after doctor was too busy treating all the refugees
>>70469853
>>70471984
Reject the christicucknity and cut germanic rapefugees throats for glory of Mithra.
>>70472255
You realize you are Germanian?
You realize you were the mortal enemy of Rome?
>>70472488
You realize you are a british colony?
Here's how.
>Assassinate Commodus
>Marcus Aurelius is forced to adopt a successor
>Successor will be invariably better than Commodus
>Make it law that emperors can only pass the title on to adopted successors
You're set.
There are so many things that contributed to its fall that it's almost like God wanted it that way, and it took him way longer than he expected.
Besides, I think what really killed Rome forever isn't the deposition of the last Roman Emperor, but the Gothic wars, ironically started by the ""Roman"" empire itself from the east.
>>70472488
>Germania
>Mortal enemy of Rome
You realise the last great Western Roman general was a German? Look up Stilicho.
Not only that, but for most of its history Germania was one of Rome's greatest trade partners.
>>70472815
*was half a German
>>70458672
No multiculturalism except Hellenistic
>>70472879
Close enough, besides a lot of other generals at the time were fully Germanic.
>>70472815
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJfFtGPoACI
England belongs to the Germanian nation.
>>70464165
They just couldn't handle the BGC
>>70472968
Rome wasn't multicultural.
>>70467736
da fuq kinda history do they teach over there? XD
>>70460131
>>70473177
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>>70473336
How was a society that spanned that many territories and cultural areas not multicultural?
>>70458672
>implying it isn't still around
>>70458672
by stop fucking with us and that white christ piss off theirs. They had this coming. Trying to enslave free farmers. I wish the tall one still were walking this planet when it happened, though I'm sure he appeared.
>>70473400
Would you consider America multicultural? Different cities had different customs and stuff but there was still a homogeneous culture that everyone was expected to have.
>>70473349
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2006584/Half-Britons-German-blood--time-embrace-inner-Jerry.html
Leading geneticists and archaeologists have shown that we have been cousins of the Teutons since the dawn of time — ever since the fifth and sixth centuries, in fact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beowulf
>>70458672
It couldn't have. Pastoral barbarians are inherently superior.
Pic related, Scythian alpha males after raiding some med agrarian manlets
>>70473403
> brb, doing a 10 minute jog around the Roman Empire
>>70473680
kek'd
but really just look at how many Roman Catholics there are around the world
>>70473532
shitslam ruined it though, we really sort of just took over. Actually noticable by drop of population part grown ups here. well it might be one theory at least
press F to pay respect
>yfw Trump is Majorian
>>70473757
Roman Catholics have nothing to do with Rome, it is only the apostolic church of an apostle and thus has authority.
>>70471984
anglo saxon... those be norse mate, and we were a bit later. you had the others first, then more danes and us.
Æthelwulf
>>70474188
>>70473953
Wasn't it instituted by Roman authority though? Didn't they once claim to have an imperium right?
>>70474429
No, it was instituted by Peter the apostle.
>>70474429
Roman authority persecuted the Catholic church for centuries.
>>70463988
Not so much that, generally the West just started falling behind in comparison to the East. Constantinople was built upon a brilliant area to have trade, and as such Rome became less prevalent as a city. The West generally suffered more from plague and other diseases, unlike the East, which managed to keep a huge population until the plagues of Justinian. East more centralised than West. Honorius being an absolute moron and executing Stilicho. Generally just built up until the West didn't deserve to survive any longer
>>70474429
There was a forged document which stated that the eastern Emperor had given full power of the west to the Roman church or something, a claim that was made mostly to legitimize the >H>R>E since the pope back then had crowned the >H>R>E Emperor as the Emperor of the West.
>>70474779
>crowned by pope
Why are you backtracking and taking the side of the eternal head chopper?
>>70460811
The West was just plagued with shit - literally. Corruption, disease killing off huge amounts of the population, foederati being required to replace the depleted Roman population. Not much it could do in those circumstances.
>>70474880
??
I'm just explaining the reason for the forgery, it was made to give the pope an authority he didn't have.
>>70474970
The Pope has authority to lead the Church, he simply gave the Church's approval and legitimacy to the reigning king as opposed to de-legitmizing it.
>>70475223
Yes but according to the forgery he had been given more authority than just that, in particular civil/political authority over the whole WRE.
>>70461679
THRAX
MAKE IMPERIUM GREAT AGAIN
>>70476715
In Italy the Ostrogoths, led by Theoderic the Great, killed and replaced Odoacer, a Germanic soldier, erstwhile-leader of the foederati in northern Italy, and the de facto ruler of Italy, who had deposed the last emperor of the Western Roman Empire, Romulus Augustulus, in 476. Under Theoderic, its first king, the Ostrogothic kingdom reached its zenith, stretching from modern France in the west into modern Serbia in the southeast. Most of the social institutions of the late Western Roman Empire were preserved during his rule. Theodoric called himself Gothorum Romanorumque rex ("King of the Goths and Romans"), demonstrating his desire to be a leader for both peoples.
>>70461727
Hispanic Emperors
>>70467736
>Angola
>Sao temor
>Mozambique
>PORTUGUESE guinea
>Goa
>Macau
>East timor
Okay
Okay
England, you're based bro to I, Portugal.
We've killed many a french man together.
Please tell me it's just bait
>>70458672
Ditching everything above the danube, build a massive fucking wall along it.
Create states in Galia and Brittania place romans in the upper echelon to try and latinize it for the future.
Invest heavily in latinizing egypt anatolia the Levant and hispania.
Both italy and Greece were already rich as fuck making great revenue.
>>70477106
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Hispanic Emperors, are in fact, Italic Emperors, or to be more precise about it, foreign born Italic Emperors. Being born in Imperial lands does not imply being a foreigner by itself, as many colonies outside senatorial Italy were merely just places where patrician families would retire. We are talking about ~100 years before the Caracalla's edict, so it would've been basically impossible to have not just non-patrician citizens but even free non-citizens getting anywhere near the position of Emperor.
>>70458672
>giving imperium to rector provinciae
>not even once
A swifter means of communication also could have helped. Up until recently, you wouldn't really be able to know that a general or governor was trying to make a power grab until it was too late.
>>70472775
sauce on gif?
I've seen it before and it's fucking hilarious
>>70480840
sorry no idea m8
>>70460367
And conquer the entire world while they're at it.
Guys, we're eventually going to make a worthy successor to Rome right?
>>70472775
Amazing
>>70481736
>Gets fucked in the ass by Persia
>Gonna conquer much larger India and China
Lol, okay.
>>70460131
>spends all their money trying to colonize fucking Panama
>gets BTFO and annexed by england
>>70482023
They fucked Persia in the ass as well many times when they weren't retarded about it like with Crassus.
Caesar himself IIRC wanted to head there for his next target, it would've been really interesting to know how he would've performed hadn't he be killed.
>>70481917
Yes, perhaps not as a single nation but instead as a strong alliance of various NatSoc/Fascist states
>>70482275
Point is war against China or India would have been disastrous. If they had a competent leader they could defeat Persia after a prolonged war. Caesar marching on Persia would be very interesting however.
>>70482434
Yes I guess but consider that if full blown expansionism was to be the leading cause of the empire, by the time they reached China they would've learned a lot, especially from the Persians themselves about cavalry, motherfucking horse archers and so on. It's what they did after all since the early days, study the strengths of their enemies and adopt them, perhaps improving on them, like they did with Carthage's naval techniques.
>>70480840
it's from /twg/
>>70460561
>>70459874
The Thervings were probably allowed to cross at or near the fortress of Durostorum.[12] They were ferried by the Romans in boats, rafts, and in hollowed tree-trunks, and "diligent care was taken that no future destroyer of the Roman state should be left behind, even if he were smitten by a fatal disease," according to Ammianus Marcellinus.
Normally barbarian tribes were split up and put all sround the empire. This time it did not happen because the romans needed more cheap soldiers.
>>70458672
The collapse we all know about didn't just suddenly happen when Rome fell to barbarians.
Roman culture, architecture and customs continued on for a good 200 years before it became unsustainable after the economic crippling done by the Vikings and then the Mudslimes. By 1000AD Roman civilization and its advancements was all but dead, its knowledge entirely lost. Christianity had little to do with the economic collapse of Europe. Its art and architecture was shit because of the basic fact that Europe was poor as fuck and couldn't afford nicer things, which lead to radicalized beliefs in order to survive. There was constant war, and you couldn't have a Michelangelo exist because someone like him would've probably been drafted into some army to fight and die, like 99% of the men of that time. It was either that or work the fields. Not study in the decadent halls of a fancy university.
In contrast, China had this happen multiple times to its empires. The Han, Qin, Ming. Except they didn't have mudslimes economically crippling them because the Chinese were very privileged to be sitting on extremely abundant land (despite what Jarred Diamond thinks) in a relatively acceptable climate.
Europe is a shithole and has few natural resources that anyone really wants. This is precisely why Roman culture/civilization didn't continue on through another empire or kingdom, unlike Chinese culture which endured multiple dynasties, empires and warlords.
Europe's only saving grace was through knowledge and colonization. This is why Europeans are the smartest in the world. It couldn't get rich by selling cash crops. Only through its innovations and technology could it advance past the Chinese. And so, that's where we are now and why the rest of the world lags behind. If Europe found itself in a more resourceful plot of Earth, we would probably still be stuck in the 17th century.
>>70472815
Just looked this guy up in Wiki. The article literally calls invading Germanic barbarians "migrants" I shit you not. These people are crazy, wiki has gone to shit lately.
>>70485620
Well technically it isn't wrong, the German invaders were tribes literally "migrating" West due to a whole bunch of different reasons.
