I's being Christian the only logical alternative?
>>70453542
>believing in magic
> logical
Sure
>>70453725
>Where did the matter in the universe come from?
>lel I don't know science will tel us ebentually :D:D:D:D
>>70453725
>believing in evolution
>logical
There are tons of bible verses that disprove evolution. Cant believe you autistic fedoras still believe in sjw-science.
>>70453911
>I don't understand things
>must mean God did it
>>70453911
>where did the matter in the universe come from?
>obviously this magical omnipotent being created it, it says so right here in this book
>>70453542
>I's
subtle.
>>70453911
>I don't the know the answer, therefore, Harry Potter.
>>70453725
>le quantum physics is totally not magic, guys
>>70454126
>>70454240
still not an explanation, tell me when you've got a hypothesis :^)
>>70453998
>TIL Darwin was an SJW
>>70453542
Noted Paganism scholar and musisian Kristian 'Varg' Vikernes doesn't think so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ87iWfJdpw
>>70453998
implying evolution isn't proof OF intelligent design
>>70454557
>noted paganism scholar and musician
>noted
I forget why he's 'noted' again, remind us?
>>70454307
How can it be magic if its real you fucktard?
>>70454662
>implying some bored ass deity took the autism levels to design every animal that existed on earth
God you christians are fucking stupid.
>>70454815
It was easier for god to make every animal on earth than it was for you to solve that captcha you dirty third worlder.
>>70453542
yup
>>70454945
Hows being a altruistic christian fucktard helping your country Sven? Oh wait
>>70453725
first post best post
>>70454704
The quality and musicianship of his compositions.
The daring originality of his thought
>>70454557
>"crusaders also attacked pagans"
>"pagans were good boys who didnu nuffins"
>"christianity is destroying our herritage as we speak"
>>70455064
>Country leaves christianity for atheism and islam
>God makes country go to shit
>Still dont see this as proof of god
Atleast i'm not a nigger.
>>70454307
Quantum theory has been proven by multiple experiments you fucking idiot.
>>70454126
Behold, my blazing faggot intellect will eventually understand EVERYTHING.
There are very few, if any actual Christians on this board.
The majority of the ones claiming to be are old timer atheists that are sick and fucking tired of listening to you know-it-all children.
>>70453542
My question is if /pol/ thinks Jews control everything and are basically all powerful, why not just become a Jew?
>>70455361
"proven by" the same people who "proved" we're all the same race
>>70454704
The same reason christian scholars are 'noted'? It's easy to be noted in something not rooted in reality.
>>70455321
Implying you cucks arent so mentally retarded you couldnt deprogram your HURR BE A GOOD PERSON GUIS christian mentality even after becoming atheist.
>>70455558
Do you really not know that he's a murderer?
The other guy is trolling - but you, you are just dumb.
>>70454359
We didn't say we did, faggot. We just said yours is retarded.
>>70455558
notice the atheist must always have a target, a specific dogma in which to attack. the atheist actually believes that science knowledge, as limited as it is, proves there is no God. when in fact, science can only be used to disprove specific dogma of specific religions (genetic adam eve/old earth)... they can only disprove certain man-made sections of religious texts... this only proves the fallacies of men, not God.
There is basically no difference between quantum mechanics and the average conception of what magic would be. Reality becomes a shitshow at it's fringes and there is really no basis to say there couldn't be stuff out there that we would practically view as magic, gods included.
>>70453542
real question here would be: what is Pascal's wager?
or even better:
>>70456267
>science can only be used to disprove specific dogma of specific religions
I guess we should all believe in vague, unfalsifiable claims then?
>>70456669
That bust is of Caracalla, not Marcus Aurelius.
I love it though, it radiates contempt.
>>70453542
>Using the picture from that horrible movie
>Wanting to believe in cuck:the religion
No thanks senpai
>>70453542
The problem with Abrahamic religions is that they hinge on belief in some magical historical event that can easily be verified as fucking absurd. That doesn't work anymore because the scientific cat is out of the bag and its never going back.
If there is to be spirituality or faith now it can't fly in the face of observable fact and science.
>>70453542
>>70456338
quantum physics is entering the realm of uncertainty and probabilities ... for an atheist it must be weird to place faith in unknown and unproven science. just another field where christian scientists have a large advantage over atheist scientists.
a God living in the 6th dimension proven or disproven? no chance... the most magical thing though, is how pride works... how it blinds men, powerful men, this is why it is the worst of all deadly sins.
>>70453725
>>70454126
>replying to shitty b8
>logical
You can't win, senpai.
>>70456338
>quantum physics is magic
Anything is magic to a fucktard.
Magic is supernatural forces that cause impossible things, quantum physics are not supernatural forces.
>>70457396
A Christian physicist is just as mired in egotistical preconceptions at the atheist. The agnostic is the only one who truly respects the unknown.
>>70457539
Magic is a supernormal force, not supernatural
Everything perceivable, including thought, adheres to natural laws of varying levels
>>70455361
>>70454815
Yeah, sure. ""proven"" and not magic at all.
Proven that light is sometimes particle and sometimes wave. Lmao, that's more magic than homeopathy.
>>70453542
Yep.
Atheism dies out in a few generations and is replaced by something else (hedonism, consumerism, immigration, state worship, drugs, etc).
Islam is Islam.
Judaism is pretty shitty and insular.
Buddhism leads to fatalism and hero worship.
Jainism the same.
Hinduism fatalism and worshipping pretty much anything.
Shinto will worship anything that keeps still long enough.
Mormonism is fan-fiction.
Sikhism keeps unshorn hair and so on.
And Christianity, well, is Christianity. It's done a lot for the world, for Europe. Now we're losing it, we're regressing into liberalism.
>>70453542
believe, dont believe, you do what you want and ill do what i want and everyone wins
>>70453542
Just because things are unexplained doesn't mean a god did it.
>>70453542
1 ppost by this id saged
>>70457913
>supernormal
Kill yourself you are making up words right now.
>>70457978
>Proven that light is sometimes particle and sometimes wave. Lmao, that's more magic than homeopathy.
If you think its magic then you are fucking retarded.
>>70453542
Become a catholic its the only way to fight cultural marxism
>>70458142
Every word is made up you dip
Also http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/supernormal
>>70454126
look on your table anon a univerrse started to exist , its magic
>>70458275
Magic is supernatural not supernormal.
Yes, Christianity is the logical choice.
>>70457841
>suggesting anyone over the age of 25 is agnostic
>>70455321
They are to blind to see what is right in front off them.
>>70457396
This.
Christianity claims there's a reality that is beyond us, vast and incomprehensible compared to our own. God is the center of that reality. He chose to reveal himself as a "god" amongst pagan gods to give it a uniquely human attribute. Truth is, reality itself is so much more than it seems, and simply cannot be understood by humans, so God simplified it immensely, saying "do as I do, and you will understand one day."
>and [Jesus] said to them, "to you it has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables, so that seeing they may indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand, lest they should turn and be forgiven."
>>70458487
>being this triggered by someone not playing the theist/atheist game
>>70453998
>Bronze age quotes disprove a hundred years of empirical data and studying evolution
This board truly is the best to experience the most scientifically illiterate people in 4chan
Going to church today for the first time in 15 years.
I forgot pretty much everything, but I'm heading back to try and get back to my roots I grew up in, when I was actually a decent motivated person.
>>70456338
>>tfw you realize electricity and computers ARE literal witchcraft
>>70458142
Oh yeah? My dick is in your ass right now. Oh wait, it's not.
>muh quantum science, amirite?
>>70454307
>Can't understand something yet (Despite research into quantum physics progressing fairly well)
>Must be MAGIKZ
Is that the level of logic that lead your country to become shitskin central?
>>70458593
>Jesus is white
Is this the longest running meme in religious history?
>>70453911
I'm a christfag but I was talking to my Buddhist philosophy professor and he basically said this when I challenged him on reincarnation and I nearly lost it in class.
I used to be a creationist heretic, and so I saw myself when he said that.
Electricity is witchcraft and has a long history tied to literal occultists. See: Tesla
tl;dr the Amish were right.
Without electricity society might still be majority Christian
>>70458751
Wut
>>70453911
HAHA XDXDDD
>Fuck trying to figure it out through the most infallible ways possible much in the same way alot of the technology and knowledge we have today was created and obtained, someone wrote this bronze age book and I believe it cuz being christian is contrarian to leftist status quo
>>70458805
jesus was a jew soo white yes
>>70454359
Because yours is the best one? DAAATS RIIIIIGHT!
>>70458868
>Without electricity society might still be majority Christian
it would sure stop me to fap on traps and become less degenerate
>>70458868
No electricity is the form of energy that can be converted to others the easiest, for example the electrity our nerves is converted into kinetic energy in our muscle cells to move our body.
>>70455321
Wow, so god forsaken you valorous Sweden? This omnipotent being seems quite cruel!
I'm sure it was god who made your country shit and not your retarded leftist antics.
>>70455541
Yeah mate, Physicists and Biologists are the same. All Biologists are the same and believe the same theories.
Is this the tier of logic that got you where you are now? I wouldn't be surprised
>>70458656
who is triggered? did you have any well known agnostics to point out?
>>70458593
the more human knowledge increases the more atheists lose their grip, or so it seems. they simply cannot have their faith in nothing shaken... they usually attack specific dogma (ad hominem) because there is simply no other way to prove/disprove the existence of God.
>>70455541
That´s not true, the Nazis were Atheists.
But yeah I get your point a lot of people need religion.
Just look at the SJW´s the belief vacuum made place for their retardness.
>>70459347
>the more human knowledge increases the more atheists lose their grip
Human knowledge increasing is why atheist are growing today you fucking retard.
>>70456267
Anyone who isn't neckbeard and fedora tier knows science can't disprove a being like a god, but the fact that you think that's the best explanation for reality instead of something based on logical empirical observation shows why there's a stigma that burger posters are retarded.
>>70454815
Nice flag
>>70456338
WOAW ALL DA SCIENCESZ IZ DA MAGEEK
Jamal, back to the ghetto.
>>70459416
>Nazis were Atheists.
not it was christfag vs christfag and the jews made it all possible
>>70456669
This pretty much.
>>70453542
yes
>>70459485
God has been disproven already though.
>>70459144
the whole concept of "energy conversion" inherent in industrial technology and "science" is just modern alchemy
it's just a psyop that ties into moral relativism.
how do you know that it's really what you're told it is, and not a literal demon possessing idols to move?
I'm 100% serious, you can never know, it's all faith
>>70458593
One of the few I've seen actually understand it.
>god tries to relate to humans
>picks several cultures, mimics them to communicate
>zomg it's just like all those other religions we already came up with
>>70459347
>did you have any well known agnostics to point out?
no
>>70459647
This is muslim level retardation I am reading.
>>70459640
really? :s
Have you ever witnessed something you knew to be rationally impossible?
>>70458593
so doing as god does will make you understand an incomprehensible reality?
is that supposed to imply that when we inevitably die we will understand somehow?
I would assume if you didn't live as god did he would tell you to fuck off and not let you into the real reality?
Expecting those that are condemned to hellfire to agree there is a God?
Are you really expecting people who are waiting in line to be tossed to the fire and that hate your guts for not sharing into their destiny to agree there is one God?
Next you're gonna say they never manipulated the bible into saying so many lies it reeks.
Agnostic, and also Animistic, are still good options.
Christianity is both redpilled and compassionate.
The bible has answers for literally any of life's problems.
Christianity is at it's core anti-jewish. It is only the current age neo-Christians who support jews and Israel.
The antichrist is coming.
>>70459733
Yes Yahweh is not real.
>>70458657
you'll find many who will stick to believing the dogma of the church... or how it was interpreted, or given political clout at the time... none of these things proves/disproves the existence of God. Any christian scientist will tell you that, faith and belief come so much more naturally when you have education to reconcile the two.
>>70457396
The science isn't unknown, otherwise it wouldn't be studied or have a denomination, you fucking retard. It's not well understood, but there's no need to put faith in anything if its effects are empirically demonstrated.
From here, all we need to do is apply the scientific process and attempt to discover the inner workings of quantum law, exactly the type of thought process that got us where we are now scientifically and technologically.
For a board that espouses superiority of white people over others for our scientific and imperialist achievements, I really would expect more.
>>70459708
Muslims share one thing in common with early Christians in that they recognize the evils of idolatry and images.
Of course they are hypocrites because they worship a black cube.
but guess what, you're worshipping and adoring a black cube too, you call it a computer. It's your altar, you have faith in it, you treat the wires like a god and don't even realize it.
>>70453542
>I's being Christian the only logical alternative?
>>70453542
All other religions are much more ridiculous, specially all the eastern ones.
>>70459640
look at this guy he has looked beyond this reality
nobel price when?
>>70457913
TOP TIER WEED JAMAL
THOSE BRAIN WAVES ARE GROOVY
>>70459640
care to share your proof, Bahamas?
>>70459849
Hmm, any sources on that then?
>>70453725
>believing in magic
>>70459896
Ok I am convinced you really are mentally retarded because there has yet to be a single rational response from you.
>>70457978
You know, just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean it's rubbish.
You're using some SJW tier reasoning here.
Try reading a fucking book
>>70456913
>Caracalla
they are the same people
>>70459984
Even a retard is better in the eyes of God than a stubborn fool
>>70453998
>believing in evolution
>>70458034
>Christianity has done alot for the world
>Not the humanism of the Renascence that spawned a curiosity for the natural world, revived sciences and arts, and sped up all kinds of learning
Yeah sure, it was christianism
>>70459952
Only retards think Yahweh is real.
Odin isnt real
Zeus isnt real
Amaterasu isnt real
So how can Yahweh be real?
>>70459902
how many of that church are probably fags and degenerates+ historical jeebus was real . noodle monster was invented a decade ago
>>70458289
70 IQ
>>70459902
If I hate pasta does that mean I will never get to see the beer volcano and stripper factory when I die? pls respond ;-;
>>70453542
>Believing in a 2000 year book that has talking animals, a global flood (no proof), and the promise of god eternally torturing most of his creation for the mere fact of existing.
>logical
The bible is not logical at all mate.
>>70454557
Varg is Jewish so of course he hates Christians. Ever wondered why he never burned synagogues or mosques? Yeah, buddy. Because he's a Yentl.
>>70460126
Them "sources" :^)
>>70458679
you'll find it comes naturally... you were born knowing God... only through twisted manipulation through popular culture have you strayed. it will bring you great peace... although i will warn you to know God prior to attending worship service or it will do no good. it is a place to worship not to "go and figure out if i believe"
>>70460054
How the fuck do you do what God wants? Are you him?
>>70460164
60 IQ
>>70453542
it pretty much is.
also, as always, most atheist arguments are closeminded and faulty.
there can be no creation without a creator. if you're going to argue that the law of gravity created a universe, you'll have to keep in mind that there has to be some spark or metaphysics that established the bare minimum for such a law of physics to exist in the first place. there HAS to be a primordial reason for everything to fall into place the way it is and why physical laws and forces are even a fucking thing.
everybody that doesn't see that is misguided and utterly mistaken.
>>70460239
The Bible is as legit as the Talmud, Koran and whatever the fuck the indian book is.
>>70459640
The concept of god is an unfalsifiable truth
You'll never be able to prove something that transcend your own plane of existence does not exist because you can no either formulate the argument that they do not empirically
>>70459850
I'm not completely sure, because 99% of modern science (even the fundamentals since Newton) are occult-based and anti-Christian
I'm starting to think that it's impossible to truly be a Christian and have any science or technology profession, it's akin to witchcraft
>>70460340
God is not real also you have no proof that God transcends existence those are just assumptions.
>>70459018
Jesus was actually Celtic, if you want to go there. I mean, you know there weren't just Judeans living in that area back then, right?
Not to mention that Jews didn't exist at all back then.
But I guess atheist fanfics and mistranslations are a lot more interesting than history.
>>70459850
I don't really care if people want to stick to the spirituality or even the dogmas of religions as long as they don't act all smug and try to disprove the work of scientists who have made such a contribution to the human species thus far.
>>70460256
>That moment when the toothpaste tries so hard it proves the point of your original post
>>70460323
And why is that? :^)
If only you could give me you'r damn sources m8. :^)
>>70460366
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_Nobel_laureates
>According to 100 Years of Nobel Prize (2005), a review of Nobel prizes awarded between 1901 and 2000, 65.4% of Nobel Prize Laureates, have identified Christianity in its various forms as their religious preference (423 prizes).[5] Overall, Christians have won a total of 78.3% of all the Nobel Prizes in Peace,[6] 72.5% in Chemistry, 65.3% in Physics,[6] 62% in Medicine,[6] 54% in Economics[6] and 49.5% of all Literature awards.[6]
>The three primary divisions of Christianity are Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and Protestantism. Between 1901 and 2000 it was revealed that among 654 Laureates 31.8% have identified Protestant in its various forms (208 prize),[7] 20.3% were Christians (no information about their denominations; 133 prize),[7] 11.6% have identified as Catholic[7] and 1.6% have identified as Eastern Orthodox.[7] Christians make up over 33.2% of the worlds population [8][9][10][11] and have earned 65.4% of Nobel prizes.[5]
>>70458794
>your country to become shitskin central?
That's rich coming from Poo-rtugal.
>>70459995
>You're using some SJW tier reasoning here.
You're SJW tier here, defending your shitty """theories""" despite them being obvious shit.
>>70460517
How can you believe in God?
Are you like serious?
Meming aside reality is the source there has yet to be a single event attributed to Yahweh meaning he is not real.
>>70460515
50 IQ
>>70458715
https://youtu.be/fwXQjRBLwsQ?t=3m20s
atheists really feel uncomfortable when they have no concrete knowledge to stand on... as if anything through empirical evidence is concrete.... what is this Universal uncertainty?
>>70460647
A source would be greaaaat anon, thanks.
>Are you like serious?
:^)
>>70460120
>humanism
>modern humanist
>thinking that society didn't do much until the renaissance
I know they say Iberian education is bad but I didn't think it was that bad.
>>70460409
Many scientific theories have alot of assumptions. That doesn't mean they are false, but of course, doesn't mean they are true, until those assumptions are turned into facts.
>God is not real
Where's the empirical proof? You can't prove something is NOT real. Only try to find proof of its existance
And God transcends existence based on what scripture tells us. Yes, this is an assumption, but it is also a core feature of the being God, and since you can't disprove the existence of something, and proving the existence of a metaphysical being is almost impossible unless said being chooses to make contact, you can never truly know if he exists or not.
In fact, saying that he is not real is an assumption in itself.
>>70460247
I agree, and for the past two years my mind has been brought towards faith over heathenism.
I'm not sure the exact details in what I believe though, however I think immersion in the place I grew up in might help me remember who I was and what I believed.
>>70460760
I already said the source of reality.
>>70460753
I'm not even talking metaphysics
I'm talking history. There are literal connections between literal magic/witchcraft practitioners and modern science. See the connections between Theosophy and the World's Fairs, freemasonry and the Royal Society of England, and how many early radio inventors were trying to use the devices to speak to the dead at seances. The more you think the more you realize your computer is probably possessed by an evil entity.
>>70459462
temporary uptick as seen in many pre-western cultures. it usually evens out after that society dissolves... who will fight and die for an atheist gov't that puts women and fags above the nuclear family? protip: nobody, least of all the white knight god-haters
No, symbolic ritual cannibalism is a stupidly primitive behavior. You are savages.
>>70460947
God-hater here. I am much better than god-eaters are.
>>70459141
get help toothpaste
>>70460610
Are you going to tell my why they are obvious shit? OH right, you can't because you're scientifically illiterate and just get behind faith instead of reason, good memes. Try using empirical evidence and reason to disprove theories rather than shit tier shitposting Abdul Il-Germanii
Also, shit tier personal attack desu
>>70460947
yes and no
electricity and the internet and the globalization it produced is not a normal cycle, it's part of the unnatural unification that God warned about.
last time it happened was the tower of babel.
I pretty much believe a lot of our tech was not human knowledge, but imparted by something sinister
>>70460776
>That moment when you make shit tier assumptions because the paki blood is stifling your brain capacity
Never said society didn't do much until the renaissance, just that the renaissance sped up the speed a which societies evolved and science progressed, and elevated the arts to new levels.
>modern humanist
??????????????????
And it's IBERIAN education that's bad, ROFL alright Pahjeet Ibn-Britanii
>>70460947
Yh be a nice little spineless christian faggot and accept that diversity.
We atheist are not cucks, the leftist are ex christians that need a form of insanity to function in life, liberalism is their new religion none of this has to do with atheism. It just like a child going FUCK GOD HE WONT LET ME BE GAY FUCK GOD HE LOVE ME BEING A WHORE FUCK GOD HE WONT LOVE ME BECAUSE I HATE BEING A GUY.
Not atheist if we had our way this planet would be very different for starters we would off every idiot that "needs a reason to exist" thus ending the various cancers in our civilizations.
>>70460876
Then, what in this "reality" proves that god does not exist? :^)
Remember guys, it's science and reason that are SJW tier!
>>70460753
I mean look at this guy
the prototypical scientist is literally a wizard in appearance. people with college degrees wear funny hats and practice rituals and incantations.
robotics/electronics is creating golems
Computer programming is just writing spells to control them.
Nuclear science is transmutation
Genetics/bioengineering is the realization of creating the homonculus
the more I work as an engineer the more I feel guilty for even being involved in the so-called "advancement" of technology and the more I realize the removal from simple farming life is really the root of all degeneracy, and even more Christians never stop to realize this.
>>70461425
Lets all be honest the pope has a foot fetish.
>>70459485
>implying there will ever be an explanation for reality
>implying scientific knowledge disproves any aspect of faith and belief
do you have any of this empirical observation disproving God? ... or did you just want to attack an ancient book some more?
>>70461609
There will be a scientific explanation for reality and we are a teeeny bit close to it by studying quantum physics then studying the physics below that and below that and below that until we reach the bluerprint of reality but this may take 4000 years.
>>70455064
>sweden
>christian
kek
>>70459733
forgive his insular knowledge level, Caribbean rape babies arent too bright.
>>70461609
Lol you must be bad at interpreting if you went from a quote of mine saying "Anyone who isn't neckbeard and fedora tier knows science can't disprove a being like a god" to
>"do you have any of this empirical observation disproving God?"
Look baby, if you read my posts you'll be able to understand one thing very simply, I never said god doesn't exist. He is an hypothesis, like a scientific theory really, since he is the ultimate natural being.
Now see, since it's you Christians who make the claim that god exists, the burden of proof is on you. So why don't YOU give me some proof that god exists rather than a book written by people whose education is akin to an eight grader's
>>70461871
>6.2 million members in the Swedish church
>9.9 million residents in Sweden.
>>70461948
I know, he can't even respond to me. Fucking plebeian.
>>70461767
time is on my side said the atheist. Its magic really time
>>70459741
those cultures that do not "live as god did" as you put it... simply dont continue to exist. they dissolve into antiquity to make way for the pious.
>>70459763
why so obsessed with the bible? is that because there is no positive disproval in science to latch onto so - muh ad hominem is all i got?
>>70459789
anyone who has read the new testament knows it is the most anti-jewish book in existence.
side note: the gospel (core mathew mark luke john) only takes a few sittings to read through... it is better to quickly read through, then go back with interpretations on specific verse for deeper meaning.
>>70462081
why lie on the internet swede cuck
18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god".
45% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force".
34% answered that "they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, god, or life force".
According to the Eurobarometer Poll 2012,[6] the religions in Sweden are the following
Protestants 41%
Orthodox 1%
Catholics 2%
Other Christian 9%
Buddhist 1%
Other 3%
The remainder of the population is irreligious, either atheists (13%) or agnostics (30%).
According to a Demoskop study in 2015 about the beliefs of the Swedish showed that
21% believed in a god (down from 35 percent in 2008).
16% believed in ghosts
14% believed in creationism or intelligent design [19][20]
Sweden ranks high along with Germany, France, Japan, South Korea, the Czech Republic, Estonia and the Netherlands on having a large number of citizens who have no religion. An article on Sweden's official website asserts that just three out of 10 Swedes state that they have confidence in the church. The article lists the following facts about religion in Sweden:
>>70460441
christian and science go hand in hand, Newton was profoundly scientific... only recent popular culture scientists have claimed the two are incompatible.
>not seeing cultural marxism as black science man squirts it on your face over and over
>>70453542
Alternative to what?
>>70462262
Interesting proposition considering there are cultures who don't believe in god since day 1 of their existance yet not only still exist but are growing I.E. China, Japan, South Korea
Why so butthurt when the bible is mentioned? Have such a weak grip on reality that a book is the only thing that ties you to it?
>>70460247
dont hinge everything on details... specific dogma and interpretation by a church is "of the earth", man-made... political. the favorite tool of the atheist is to attack ancient texts written by man... with an implication that if one specific line in a religious text is wrong then God doesnt exist. laughable really.
>>70459610
hedonistic propaganda... sounds good on the surface, but dooming your entire culture and descendants to non-existance... not so good.
Itt: triggered christfags/fedora atheists
>>70462780
Christianism and Science don't go hand in hand. In Science, postulations and theories are proven through empiricism from which one can rationalize and create conclusions. Yet in the thousands of years of Christianity's existence, the proof of a god has yet to be found. Historical innacuracies and contradictions in the scripture that is supposedly "The word of god" or "The word of god's disciples" (Who are, presumably, those most knowledgeable of his true word) Have been found aplenty.
So if we apply the scientific method to the got hypothesis, it's not doing too well.
However, and thanks to many of the more modern discoveries specially in the fields of physics, we've created theories that more plausibly explain creation.
But these are hypothesis too. Maybe in the end we might find out it was God who was behind creation, but these two things do NOT go hand in hand given that christianity presupposes the existence of something that has not been proven to exist through the scientific method
>>70463363
>Dooming your entire culture
This is YOUR perspective, which is easily dismissed by people who do not have it. You perspective is not TRUTH, Christianism is not TRUTH, any attempts to make it truth through the best logical methods have failed thus far, and since the logic in the picture is pretty much spot on, since you might never know through the most reasoned and logical methods created to prove other hypothesis, in your lifetime, if a god exists (Specially since it is an unfalsifiable hypothesis) Might as well live a good and fair life, being fair to others, etc. the logic is in the picture.
How is it hedonistic though, nowhere does the doctrine that pleasure is the central point of life is expressed in the quote, in fact, how can you possible know what a "Good life" is if it's wholly subjective, to a hedonist, a "Good life" is a life of hedonism, to you, a "Good life" is a life serving god. It's not hedonistic "propaganda"
>>70463401
Nice contribution.
>>70463499
there you go making arguments against scripture again... attacking an ancient religious text written by men only proves the fallacies of those men.
>these two things do not go hand in hand
you really havent read much on the lives of scientists then... does wikipedia delete their solid foundation on christianity as the basis for their research?
>plausible
by what standard? you have much to learn. none of these things attacks faith/belief. the ven diagrams of Science and Faith do not intersect at all. regarding specific dogma they do and atheists attack these portions of religious texts with science... because there is no other argument than ad hominem.
>>70462262
Make way for the pious? Fuck the pious. I own your ass
>>70464117
it is sound logic for the non-married, single male who is accepting his biological and cultural death, the end of his blood line.
makes sense on a personal level logically, if you dont mind that every person descended from you either wont be born or will be decimated from the weak society you cultivated.
you are the torch bearer and just threw the torch in the lake.
>>70464526
I made it clear why I attacked anything in that post. Firstly I didn't attack the religious text, but the people who wrote them, because their knowledge of the world, compared to ours, was ALOT more limited. They did not have the education we have, and were most likely dogmatic since the begining of their lives. Hence, how can you justify that they are equipped to make objective judgements of the world around them... OH WAIT, they don't, they just make crude explanations of nature BECAUSE they have a narrow understanding of existence and thus, their words can not be truly objective, and their dogma is sure to guide their work.
Look babes, the reason why many scientists are religious is because they were born where religion was the status quo. They reconciled everything around it, even their own work in science, because it was the original dogma they were born into.
The fact that there are religious scientists is supposed to support that christianity is the truth about the universe HOW though?
How is the attack of religious writing with science an ad hominem, do you know what that fallacy is? ROFL
Also yes, it is plausible, because like I said, through the use of the most logically sound and objective forms of reason created by humanity (Which got us where we are today, scientifically and technologically, and thus can not be discounted... unless you're dogmatic) have given insight into different possibilities of creation. Like I said, none of this insight means that god does not exist, but so far, it seems that something like the Big Bang is the most logical answer to creation. It could be that god created the universe through the big bang, who knows, but this is the best explanation so far.
And when you say that I am the one that has much to learn, I urge you to pick up science books and look a bit into THIS side of the argument.
>>70464770
Wait what, how will "every person" descended from me not be born or will be decimatedby the "weak society" that I "cultivated"
These are just presuppositions to something that happens in your head when one takes these considerations at a societal level, but do you mind explaining how it goes from a though to the destruction of a culture? I'm baffled.
Also, define a "weak" society. Why is it "weak"
>>70454126
>I don't understand things
>it came from nowhere
Even by your own standards you're illogical
AyyLmao
>>70459018
Jesus was the Son of God
>>70459640
you fool
>>70461425
>Pope
>using him as the standard for God
top kek
>>70466006
Nice strawman
He never said it came from nowhere
Science uses the most objectively sound forms of reasoning to prove empirically then extrapolate a logical conclusion as to what can be described as the best explanation of reality.
NATURALLY, doing that to existence itself is hard, but nobody said that there is no start or that the start is nothingness, but just relegating it to "Magical man waved wand and created everything" Is not only illogical but a lazy route to take
>>70465679
i assumed you recognized that an atheist society that doesnt have kids... dies out. i wouldnt categorize cultural suicide as strong, nor would anyone. not existing is problematic, coincidentally "Gods Way" is based on continuing your blood line and way of life. funny huh.
>>70466238
Mainly just a post responding to another that claimed that science is SJW. For the man who millions agree is the closest to God there is on earth, he is the closest to the living standard of god, and he's SJW tier.
>>70466527
Lol mate, I'm not an atheist. An atheist society does not necessarily die out, although I will say the fall to hedonism modern lives have been experiencing, which can be pushed by atheism since there is no push towards the continuation of bloodline, is a problem.
Education however can put things into perspective if well established, and thus secular government does not necessarily have to have the end you describe.
I'm still trying to understand how you though that either I thought that cultural suicide was strong, or that that image said or implied it, but alright.
>>70467015
As a continuation to this post, much in the way that a religion is a culturally engrained ideology, one can educate people to perceive having children as not a burden (Which isn't a view on the matter that atheism necessarily spawned, but rather the materialistic and hedonistic lifestyles that have spawned with modern corporatism), engrained in culture aswel. Culture and education go hand in hand, and are malleable. They are useful tool. They can be manipulated for good or bad, but this is one of their better uses.
>>70466006
New theories are being worked on tho big bang has basicly been disproved
>>70461250
>Not atheist if we had our way we would off every idiot that "needs a reason to exist"
WEW LAD
>>70454126
>>I don't understand things
>>must mean God did it
It's a weird argument they make.
Science: We have some understanding of everything that happened from the second second the universe existed until now. We don't have much of an understanding of before that (the Planck epoch). Things like the recent gravitational wave detection are additional proof to our theories.
Christianity: We have a COMPLETE understanding of everything. The entire universe was created in seven days. On the sixth day, the first man, Adam was created. We are living six thousand years after this happened (note that this person [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varna_Necropolis ] was buried before the universe was created according to that timeline).
Also - gravitational waves were more theoretical before LIGO detected them, the recent detection was evidence they exist. If people thought it was more of a pressing issue, more money could be spent on studying the Planck epoch. But there are other priorities - cancer, solar power etc. Because even if the Planck epoch is explained, the Jesus morons will still be in the dark any how.
"Oh, the Planck epoch has been explained. Let's close down all the churches, as we now realize this has been irrational." Right.
>>70453542
God is a fairy tale...but im willing to let it slide if pretending to believe in it will get the mudshits out
>>70453542
Yes. Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
>>70467808
Yeah fedora atheists that say religions need to be ended and that they would if the absolute truth about the universe was uncovered are annoying as fuck.
While I'm not religious and don't agree with religious people on most issues regarding the natural world, religions shouldn't just be culled even if they are proven wrong. That would be an attack on liberty.
>>70466273
>implying that christians didnt invent scientific method
>implying that most major scientific discoveries werent by christians
>implying that science and faith are somehow opposed
>>70468571
>implying that christians didnt invent scientific method
Well, like saying a muslim "invented" algebra. No, a Persian invented algebra, or better yet - an academic.
>implying that most major scientific discoveries werent by christians
Europeans, write them down more specifically. Really want to call a Calvinist or Mormon a Christian?
>implying that science and faith are somehow opposed
They are. Science does not work with faith, faith does not work with science.
Science is observation and experimentation that generates a hypothesis.
Faith is belief without evidence, just for sake of believing.
>>70468295
More of us "fedora atheists" would support the church if it didn't change everytime there was a social revolution.
Looking at you catholicism/protestants
>>70468571
ROFL I NEVER IMPLIED ANY OF THOSE THINGS
I just said that it doesn't matter whether they were created by Christians or not since their application, within a society with a central dogma (Like a religion) is the same. Thanks to the renaissance we have been liberated from the dogma of Christianity, and instead it has taken a more comfortable position within our lives ever since, rather than dictating our very thoughts. And ever since, more people have become irreligious, science has had more and more the privilege of being detached from societies with central dogmas, and has flourished exponentially, specially the more secular societies became.
Religion in the medieval eras supressed alot of scientific learning, allowing only that which was in line with their views. This in itself is an indicator that religion and science are not symbiotic, as much as you want it to be true.
Science and Faith are not opposed, but Science and its products have no use for faith, and the ideologies that have faith as their core tenets often discard the base modus operandum of science (aka the scientific method), imposing instead the idea that certain natural evidences or happenings happen in a way that, through the use of the scientific method in order to understand these natural evidences, science does not logically and empirically confirm as true.
>>70466273
>He never said it came from nowhere
he did through implication, you can't have your cake and eat it
>>70466605
>millions agree
>therefore it is true
top tier logic
>>70453542
>religion
>logic
you can only pick one
>>70469295
That IS true... Alot of churches seem to warp their base tenets around sociocultural changes... I.E. Roman catholocism seems to be getting warped by the holy representative of that form of christianity to be SJW tier. But as long as they harm nobody, I have no issue with people worshiping them
>>70469400
Well regardless of whether HE did or not, that is not within scientific consensus.
Science is attempting to understand creation, therefore that creation and whatever came before can not possible be "nothingness" if the the scientific consensus is to try and understand what creation and that which came before is.
>>70469480
>what is Thomism
>>70469453
Never said that. NEVER SAID it's true. In fact if you read my posts I'm not religious, and dislike the roman catholic church for its ideological fender-bending. I just said that, given that millions of people are roman Catholics, to THEM, he is the closest to god on earth.
>>70469827
science is not universal in agreement and there is debate even at the highest levels. To act as if they are one body that cohesively denies God is ridiculous
>>70458821
what did you chose if not creationism im a creationist brfo me protip you cant if u be-leave in Darwinism instead of creationism kill yourself *its a meme*
>>70470047
alright fair enough, I am a Christian and I think catholicism is a mockery of God. They canonize devils and elevate the pope to the status of God when he is worse than even the least of real Chrisitans
I respect people who choose how and when they go.
Isn't that against the christian spaghetti monster?
>>70470148
Well no shit.
The way through which science attempts to understand creation is discussion and rational processing of empirical evidences. There are obviously theories that say that the predecessor of creation is nothingness, sure, but most scientists are looking for something palpable to explain existence and creation.
Maybe it is not scientific consensus, but most scientists who deal in this field of science are looking for something tangible. Probably because the concept of nothingness is naturally hard for us humans to comprehend or accept easily.
>>70470740
sience currently supports creationism bro get #rekt
>>70470262
Exactly, not to speak of the fact that that church makes hundreds of millions in currency, and despite what is written in the Bible, and what is core to Christianity, they do not seem too eager to part with that money.
But that's one age old argument about whether the central entities of a church should hold riches.
>>70470917
10/10 shitpost
>>70471008
>Update
it actualy does rofl take a look
>>70471128
Aight' m8
>>70471180
look were forming a consensus here lets start a movement!
>>70471287
YEE!!!11! xdxddxdXdx
>>70460821
god isnt real buddy accept it and grow up its time to stop believing in fairytales
>>70472634
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0iDNLxmWVM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0tyVdnIU9A
>>70473194
you actually think im going to watch any of that
just goes to show how delusional you are
