People always compare our future to 1984, saying that's how we'll end up...but does anyone else think a Brave New World scenario is more likely?
The western world seems run by hedonism and degeneracy: race mixing, drugs, prostitution, casual sex, video games, cartoons, sports, etc...all peasant hobbies or things that contribute to declining IQ/potential extinction of humankind
A 1984 type of fascism seems like it'd fit sandniggers or something but not America/the west
Brave New World is already our new reality. We cannot do oxygen deprivation yet, so we have No Child Left Behind.
We cannot have soma we get oxycotin and xanax.
Characters in BNW willfully avoid information and truth so as to remain happy.
Sounds like modern western society to me.
>>70429645
none of them, the future is freedom
>>70429917
That's my point, 1984 doesn't fit the mold...BNW does however (for the west anyway)
>>70429645
I think we kinda live in a New world of 1984 if you get what I'm saying
>>70429645
both of them and more are in action every day in every place, in differing mixtures. throw in some ray bradbury while you're at it, like the pedestrian and F451. it's not just the government(s) doing it either.
>>70430756
>>70429645
Read this
>>70430115
My sweet summer child.
>>70429645
More like The Wanting Seed by Anthony Burgess.
>>70429645
>muh Brave New World vs. 1984
Could people please, PLEASE stop making this comparison? I'll say it just once more:
They're both right.
Why? Because both wrote about things happening during their lifetimes. Science fiction is never meant to be a genuine prediction of the future. It's fiction about current day issues amplified by technological and societal change. Both 1984 and Brave New World show blown up versions of things THAT WERE ALREADY HAPPENING. Huxley saw the growing importance of entertainment, while Orwell saw the powerful getting more and more influence over people's personal lives.
Similarly, there's the novel The Continuous Katherine Mortenhoe, about reality TV, where one of the main characters literally has camera's for eyes, and acts like a voyeur. This doesn't mean that the writer predicts that's how reality TV will be made. It's a metaphor for its nature, and its possible influence.
>>70429645
>we'll end up in 1984
Motherfucker we ARE in 1984. Everything that happens in that book has a parallel to the U.S. today.
>>70430995
>no Bradbury
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>>70429645
why does big brother look like Freddie Mercury
Combination of both. On one hand the media feeds us fear, on the other it feeds us contentment and complacency.
>>70429917
We don't quite have the biologically engineered from birth caste system yet. That was an arguably more important part of the book than the hedonism and people forget about it.
>>70429645
>>70430995
In reality we are having some degree of Brave New World and 1984 combined. Things will be censored in addition for drowning out truth into sea irrelevant bullshit.
We get our bread and circuses, but if that isn't enough they also have sticks to beat us with.
Wow what a great and original insight. Do you also think that Idiocracy predicted future?
>>70430995
>one vs the other
Brave New World is for the proles and 1984 is for the outer party. 1984 only glanced at the proles for a brief moment, and found them to be distracted to the point of senselessness. It was basically gazing into one book from the other.
>>70431960
Indians do, and they will become the next pooperpower in a decade or so.
>>70431730
mind = blown
>>70432148
No, it described Finland.
>>70429645
It's a mix of both.
Anyway both are satire to demonstrate a corrupt society, which is what we have.
>>70429645
media: Brave New World
state: 1984
>>70429645
It's an obvious mixture of both. You see things that happen in both books happening now.
>>70432317
This. People always forget that the MC of 1984 was a relatively high-ranking government drone, and the entire point was that all of the surveillance and control focus was placed on people like him.
The proles were left alone because they couldn't give a shit about the government.
>>70432648
Literally the most intelligent nation in Europe, Ahmed.
>>70432974
Any country with laplanders inhabiting it can't be very smart.
>>70429645
>Implying mudslimes hasn't already run over us
>>70432746
Do you think Sanders will fix it?
>>70432731
What the hell is going on in your pic?
>>70432552
Not really what I was talking about. BNW had a 5 tiered caste system that was engineered by making changes to fetuses, which were no longer conceived naturally but in test tubes. The government got to control the rare few to become geniuses, the average people, the retards, etc. This clearly hasn't happened yet on the real world but genetic engineering will come soon.
>>70430995
So, essentially - it's not one of that's happening, it's both of them.
Fuck.
>>70433245
Retarded ruski made a bong out of his own bath.
>>70433245
seems to be some sort of russian gravity bong for smoking fecal matter and beet roots to get high.
>>70429645
BNW leads to 1984
We're already seeing it in Europe.
>>70433254
I read the book, and it's certainly coming in countries like India and China, who embrace caste systems and don't give a fuck about human rights.
>>70433072
Literally is though
I was thinking, today, just how much we are becoming like "Demolition Man." The censoring of speech at every turn, music is shit and is over commercialized (might as well be commercials. Restaurant chains everywhere, all serving similar things. Peaceful, anti-violent/anti-bullying culture. I could go on and on.
>>70429645
To be affected by Fascism , you don't need to necessarily live in a totalitarian state.
We're currently living in a Brave New World but 1984 will be our future
>More and more militarized police
>More power is going into a select few corporations to the point where they run the country
>Listening in to every call and text we make
>PC will make opposing opinions illegal to say
If you want a 1984 scenario just look at Britain today
>>70430115
Kek. Keep telling yourself that.
>>70433804
They're two different mechanisms built for two different sections of society.
There was a part of 1984 where the protagonist felt any hope of escaping tyranny depended on the proles, because the outer party had been conclusively defeated. So he went and tried to talk to some proles. They didn't seem to understand a word he was saying, nor did they appear to care at all about the government and its dealings.
1984's worst abuses only affected a small minority of the population. Proles being locked up alongside outer party members seemed entirely fearless, even talking back to the guards rudely.
>>70433613
I was thinking the exact same thing, exept we don't have the three shells yet
>>70434302
>tfw you will never know how the three shells work
i plan to be hanging out in the sewer eating ratburgers.
>but does anyone else think a Brave New World scenario is more likely?
I do. I think it's already here, at least in the first world. More or less.
>>70429645
>but does anyone else think a Brave New World scenario is more likely?
Yes, literally everyone who ever compares the two.
>>70434944
You use two of them to cup your shit and pull it out of you, then use the third to scrape away excess shit from your asshole. I have no idea how this is better than paper.
I think we are closer to a Fahrenheit 451
>>70434944
Cook one more for me then. We already are in the sewers
>>70430995
That's a fucking shit picture and you should delete it. In 1984 the proles had access to all types of entertainments, from sports to porn. It's just that th MC wasn't a prole but a party member.
>>70429645
It's a horrible mix of both where you get a visit from the police for saying bad bads and no one cares because they're too busy watching reality TV.
>>70432317
>>70432967
This. BNW is treatment the prole masses get, while 1984 is what politicians & those involved in the beast of the government system experience.
Huxley was the most generous and gifted writer of past century if you believe in humanity. A true progressive. "Island" are a real class in build a strong civilization. Brave New World show us that our style of work and our style of "Carpe Diem" may take off our better features as humans. He write a lot about religiosity and his essays are a tremendous contribution in our days. The books of Aldous Huxley will enlightening anyone interested in moral, conscious, civilization.
>>70429917
This FPBP truly surpassed the meme realm, you're right my freedom friend.
This is reddit tier discussion, go /lit/ or something.
Are you straight from facebook or something? fucking newshit
>>70430995
>moderately exploitable
This, which we hate, will haunt us until death, but in the end, we will be destroyed and killed by this, which gives us pleasure.
Social values of 1984
Economics of Brave New World
>>70431730
nah, nah. that's john mcafee.
>>70429645
Orwell wrote Nineteen Eighty-four after realising what a bunch of fucking brainwashed uneducated retards the leftists were during his time fighting during the Spanish civil war.
>>70439141
Fuck, I write like a retard.
Huxley actually wrote a follow up to BNW in the late 50s where he talks about how scarily accurate his book was becoming.
I don't care what we have. How do we stop it?
>>70439228
>How do we stop it?
Find the root of the problem and remove it.
>>70429645
Check out "The Glass Bees" by Ernst Junger
>>70439228
>How do we stop it?
by making america great again
the irony of this all is, that John The Savage , a mixed, is the most red pilled character. Praise John
we live in a society where both systems are combined to a degree.
>>70438178
Huxley was a smart and had a wonderful idea on what was/is wrong with society but he's not a really great writer. Brave new world was better edited than most of his stuff but his syllogisms where long as shit and hard to follow.
>>70429645
We're already living in 1984
>>70429917
BNW isn't some revelation about the west, it's pointing out a theme as old as civilization. The masses have been by and large, willfully ignorant drones through most of history."panem et circences" was coined in 100 AD.
>>70441147
>not really a good writer
lolwut, the man was a genius
have you bread the divine within ? the perrenial philosophy? doors of perception? eyeless in Gaza?
seriously the man was an amazing writer
