Whats the best career path for the future?
I am intending to go to University, but I am unsure of what to study? With how the world is going right now, I'm going to go with a STEM.
I have an a level in maths, and I am currently studying for an A-level in physics.
I want to get into Aeronautical Engineering.
Or I would like to go into Physics, ie theoretical.
Is STEM the way foward?
Don't fall for the STEM meme, brah. The fields are oversaturated with poo in loos and chinks. The salaries may be OK at the moment, but the future doesn't look too promising.
>>70429262
No, nigger
>>70429691
In all fields, or just the few, just as doctors?
Lets say i was to become a rocket scientists for whoever the fuck, would i still be looking at being out competed in 50 years time?
Learn a skill that few people can do that's difficult to learn without significant resources and isn't outsourced. Food technology doesn't get moved overseas.
>>70429691
Currently doing aerospace myself; there's only two international students and no girls on the course so I guess it depends where you study.
>>70429691
That's completely wrong. They're all flocking to coding and compsci.
If you want to succeed in stem study alot.
I have been studying for the MCAT(test required for medical school) since high school
You can never go wrong with math or stats.
Also, medicine..
Short of those? Trades??
I got an engineering degree and my starting salary was $120k. It's too bad my career won't last long, though.
An ancient, uncharismatic, hideous socialist Jew is almost winning right now. Smart politicians are watching Bernie's movement right now and can see the writing on the walls. In 2020 a more attractive socialist candidate will run for president and win. Once he begins taxing corporations into the ground the entire tech industry in America will die, and so ends my career.
Get a liberal arts degree. At least then you'll have some worth in the eyes of the crybullies who will be running the country by the end of this decade.
>>70431197
Just noticed OP is in the UK. Definitely don't get a STEM degree as your dogshit country is already infected.
>>70429911
Would would you suggest is a good degree, liberal arts?
>>70429262
>I want to get into Aeronautical Engineering.
This is one of the harder engineering subjects to find a job with.
All in all OP, do you enjoy physics, chemistry and mathematics? Yes? Then study engineering.
>>70431197
What a load of rubbish.
>>70429262
Aeronautical engineering is a dead field, everything that could have been improved had already been done. All you'll be doing is maintenance our paperwork. It pays well though, if you don't have any ambitions.
>>70429262
Do Applied physics or applied math.
Theoretical sounds interesting but you get fewer transferable skills. Applied physics in my opinion is the best because you are not completely removed from the real world, but gain all the skills to do pretty much anything.
>>70431197
Idiot. If engineering jobs die here, some other nation will have high demand for them and will pay well.
>>70431537
>Theoretical
Way to be another leech on the corrupt university system.
>>70431415
There is a reason why the UK has a horrible tech industry. Most of your big corporations are purely domestic; they have no international competitors.
Take note of how America's GDP has rapidly increased throughout this tech boom while the UK's still hasn't recovered from the recession. Ask yourself why that is.
STEM is a bonus, it helps
but if you're an autist and don't specialize, you will probably get drudge work
>>70431563
Most people would rather not pack up and leave their homeland to maintain their standard of living.
>>70431537
I work at a hedge fund. Pretty much all my colleagues and most people in the field have done one of:
Applied Physics
Applied Math
Electrical Engineering
Quantitative finance
I have a cosmologist colleague who did theoretical physics, he is clearly smart, but is clearly starting from one step behind everyone else.
>>70429262
Studing electronics maths and physics A2 here. Going for mech engineering. If UK gets cucked I'm moving to USA so need a high skill level. I shoot/ like firearms design so dream job would be firearms designer in US. Just don't want to abandon UK :(
What's the point? Everything will be automated soon anyway. Might as well just major in communications so your life is way easier.
>>70431457
M8, missile companies dig that shit. And they're just getting bigger.
>>70432079
I find UK to be less cucked than the US in general. Sure we have a sandnigger problem, but they're easy targets to form public opinion against.
The US is so far gone even loudmouth idiots like Trump can't take on the n1ggers
>>70429262
>I have an a level in maths, and I am currently studying for an A-level in physics.
This doesn't really mean anything in Uni.
Please dont be an idiot and jump into a field because it'll make you the fastest buck.
>>70429262
STEM isn't a meme mate. Just remember that you need a 2:1 minimum to get a job, 2:2 or less won't cut it. You need to work hard and do well. Apply for a lot of internships too and you'll be fine.
I'm currently 2nd year about to work for BAE Systems on British Army armoured vehicles over summer. Shit's great.
>>70432216
A-levels are the qualifications needed to get onto a Uni course. Like they'll say you need an A in maths, and a B in physics and a B in technology and design to do this course.
>>70432376
Did work with Thales NI Branch, missile banter was great.
>>70431955
>I work at a hedge fund.
How much you make and do your colleagues mostly have PhDs or just masters degrees?
Don't listen to people on /pol/ for academic advice. Literally any degree you pursue can be lucratime but you have to be a harder worker and stand out more from your peers. STEM is just an easy way to get a job while still having mediocre grades.
Examples include:
>writing
People still read books in high demand and book publishers need editors. Even though media is shifting to digital, journalists are still needed. Once again, you have to really stand out in your field and gets great grades
>art
People here will shit on art, but that's because most "artists" just want to smoke pot and do "modern" bullshit. You can learn many new techniques in art school for becoming a better artist. My the girl friend of my buddy's fiancee is an artist, but she did it the right way. She sells custom wedding invitations and other custom cards. She's built a nice customer base and makes good money doing commissioned pieces.
Once again, anything you want to do can be lucrative if you realize that success will not fall into your lap. STEM is becoming overcrowded. Yeah you might not get a salaried position from a liberal arts degree, but you still have a lot of potential as long as you 1) get really really good grades and 2) are willing to put in extra work to make your career dreams come true
Is it worth it to make a PhD in El. Engineering?
Computer Science is the only stable career for the future as literally every company needs programmers. You're guaranteed a job right after Colllege
They also don't outsource jobs to third world countries because they realized they cant program for shit
Nope
ask again after WW3
Also OP, you need to balance doing what you love with making money. Don't put too much emphasis on either one. I got a degree in Political Science. I would have a better job if I had done an internship and if I had gotten a better GPA. The jobs for liberal arts programs still exist. I'm a living example of one of those brilliant kids who thinks theyou can coast by without studying in college and it will bite you in the ass. My job prospects would be much better if I didn't hang out with the herbal jew so much as well. Oh well. I'm gonna respawn and not make the same mistakes in my next life.
>>70433309
Engineering PhD's are a waste of time unless you intend on going into academia or you really want to have the Dr. title.
If you're going private sector just stick with a double masters.
>>70433446
No, they don't outsource. They just bring Pajeet and Mohammed stateside with visas to take the job from you on your front lawn.
>>70433446
This post uses a lot of definitive language to describe things that aren't so guaranteed.
There are still plenty of job options from nearly every degree. The only thing I would avoid is law school. It's very over saturated.
>>70429262
Obviously starting your own food truck business is the way to go.
>>70433663
100% this. I know all about it, used to work in analytics before quitting and starting my own business because I couldn't stand the Pajeets anymore. They are everywhere in IT/IS/CS and growing rapidly because the L1B visa has no caps.
>>70433663
Almost every Indian that comes in end up working for customer support
I've rarely seen Indians programming or using the toilet
>>70429691
It's because you're too fucking stupid to step into that field. The sight of asians trigger you too much friend?
>>70433979
Ever heard of Tata or Infosys or Wipro? They literally flood entire companies with thousands of POO IN LOO "programmers". It's not all phone support. A lot of them have multiple masters or PhDs from fake schools and that looks good to upper management.
>>70433979
Yea but there are a shit load of chinks kiking the software engineering jobs in Vancouver I bet?
Same thing for us, just replace Chang with Pajeet and Mohammed and throw in an even worse lack of understanding English.
>>70429262
Whatever you're good at
don't fall for the university/college meme
go to trade school and get paid to do easy shit that nobody wants to learn
>>70429262
>I have a degree in physics and astrophysics from an RG uni
Here's how I see it. If you want to study aeronautical engineering, stick with the maths and physics. There may be some universities which offer aero degrees straight up or you might be better served getting yourself an undergraduate degree in vanilla engineering or physics and then going for aero as your MSc. Aeronautical engineering will make you a lot of money.
The bad news is, theoretical physics won't earn you much money (if you choose to stay in academia, which is what most theoretical physicist do). Academia is a bit like being in the clergy in that you're paid a pittance and you pretty much have to wait for someone to die before you progress. Or you could all the way to PhD, leave and go work in high finance as a quant or something, in which case you'll be doing 80+ hours per week but you'll earn some of the highest salaries in the country doing it. You'll need to learn how to program too - that's basiaclly what theoretical physicist are these days.
Apart from those, keep in mind that the UK is different from the US (for example) in that the grad programs here will accept people from any degree discipline. Finance companies put a premium on 'analytical skills' which means those with degrees in physics, mathematics, engineering etc. are top of the pile for Human Resources departments. If you have a physics degree or a engineering degree (of any stripe) it's near enough impossible for you not to end up employed in a good job with good prospects.
Here are some tits. AMA
>>70429262
HVAC controls. No shitting. Get some practical skills in fixing systems and then learn how to do controls. So few people went into this industry that my company is now about to hire a 28 year old kid for 110 K year simply because he can keep our lab at the appropriate temperature.
There isn't a building in this country that does not have an air conditioning system.
>>70434207
I live in Quebec, the last province that actually cares about its culture and identity. Toronto and Vancouver are the main importers for foreign workers which is why they're housing prices are expensive as shit
>>70434020
>implying it isn't that they can pay loos and chinks less and charge them more for degrees
All my peers tells me to go for Industrial Economics.
Im not entirely decided yet, will these courses have much competition/lose relevancy anytime soon?
>>70429262
Economic collapse will expand the manual labor job markets so no
>>70432079
I'm starting mech eng this september at Sheffield. I'm 27. You're good to go man just pick a top 10 engineering Uni and work your ass off.
My plan is to absolutely nail the degree in every respect and try for work in the US. It's my life long goal to settle in Texas or Kansas and spend my time shooting, hunting, fishing and fucking blonde country girls in the back of my pickup.
I'm fucking done with this cesspit.
>>70431197
>le 100k+ starting may-may
STEM is pretty good, it's relatively safe and reliable. Relatively high salaries. If you go physics, don't stop at a bachelor's though otherwise you're fucked though like my friend is.
STEM as the only good choice is a meme though. The fields are becoming over saturated and it's harder to find a job right out of college. In addition, not everyone is cut out for doing STEM shit for life so make sure whatever you do actually interests you otherwise you might want to kill yourself someday.
You're asking /pol/ of all people?
>>70429691
No they're not. They're oversaturated with what people in the UK would call 'labour cucks'.
>>70430800
They're not, and they're shit at it because usually their cooperation sucks. Which is often pretty darn important in that field!
>>70431326
Infected with people who spamm ''MUH STEM SHORTAGE'' which roughly translates to ''shortage of managers who are competent enough to realize that for some jobs it takes time for someone to get accustomed to whatever needs to be done'' and ''shortage of cheap people''.
>>70434186
Hahaha, if you hire someone with a fake Phd for a job that needs the extensive knowledge of whatever the person researched be amazed at a disappointing product where your company paid out of its ass for.
>>70433968
More of an American issue. Over here a software engineer gets paid 30-40k a year, very average. They don't really come over here to work, plus a huge language barrier prevents cooperation from taking place which means a shitty product most of the time. In USA you need to pay a software engineer 85-110k, of course they get someone to do it cheaper than that.
>>70429262
Best advice - don't go into a field because other people try to sell you on it or because it's trending on twitter, go into whatever you're good at and make a career out of it.
If you like building and designing things - then sure, give engineering a try. But don't just do it for the sake of fitting into the STEM niche.
Also, stay the fuck away from theoretical physics unless your idea of a wild night out is spending four hours in front of a chalkboard and six in front of a computer just to make one graph that turns out to be wrong.
Since this is a STEM thread, I have a question. What is the best degree to get if I want to study cancer or aging? I've been thinking about Bio Statistics or Molecular Biology, but I'm not sure if I should just get my bachelor's in regular Chemistry or not.
>>70434887
Having a STEM degree like physics doesn't mean you have to get a job related to it. A STEM degree in itself shows off a certain skillset when applying for work.
It's pretty important to keep broad options. Besides that if you live near a large city or in a large city you would likely not be ''fucked'' at all. And if you are it's likely your own fault.
I did a neuroscience degree at a good uni. It was interesting to learn about but realised pretty quick that I didn't have any new ideas about the subject.
So for my final year project I made sure to get a bioinformatics project, rather than a lab based one so I could tout analytical skills and all that. I ended up getting a job as a business analyst after graduating which I enjoy quite a bit.
Transferrable skills is what it's all about. And knowing some excel.
>>70429262
Do something fucking boring, that will be a good carreer when it comes to making money.
Everybody wants to do "fun" engineering and sciences, so you steer clear of that most of the time.
>>70434612
Friend of mine has 5 years in with the plumbers/pipefitters union local (right to work state), he's making about $105k.
Even going union you make a shitload of money once you hit journeyman.
The problem with trades is that they bust up your body and eventually you might not be able to work anymore.
>>70435554
>plumbers/pipefitters union
Sounds pretty gay, desu senpai.
>>70435808
As a software engineer, I can say the same can happen sitting behind a desk all day. Most of the people I work with never lifted a weight in their life. People who work in offices tend to be unhealthy.
>>70431537
>applied math removed from the real world
niceme.me
>>70435939
I'll plumb your union, senpai
>>70434533
What about people with Computer Science and Statistics degrees?
>>70435131
>Wanting to do something biology based
>I wanna do straight chem for BS
>>70435282
>Knowing some excel
That should be standard issue for 90% of people
>>70436358
>Friend works in call center
>Sits all day
>Went #yolo and bought a DXRacer because back started getting issues
>No more issues
>>70433852
severely underrated post
>>70430887
>studying for the MCAT since highschool
> I studied for 4 weeks and got top 3% on a whim
>>70434533
really wish it was that way in the US with stem degrees being sucked up for the quant skills. instead of that here, they basically just take all of the ivy league fags with liberal arts degrees in shit like history :(
>>70436358
fuck my coworkers eat garbage 247 and im a SE as well.
>>70437566
mate, no one believes you even if it is true
>>70429991
Aerospace is special in that it's considered a national asset in many places.
>>70437695
For general finance jobs, yeah, but for quant positions, banks and hedge funds always, always, ALWAYS ask for people with either PhDs or MSc's (but usually PhDs) in either physics or mathematics, sometimes engineering. Even those with Computer Science degrees don't get a look in because the job is so mathematically intensive.
>>70438832
that is understandable but a general finance job is still a good job right? how much would you say it pays a year in usd?
if you have a bio/math/physics degree here you literally cannot find meaningful work. it's fucking terrible.
>>70437241
Anything involving numbers, mathematics and/or data analysis puts you ahead of most applicants for most jobs in the finance sector so statistics is a good degree to have as you can leverage it into so many positions.
CS is a bit different but it gives you a unique skillset that's highly marketable. I know a few guys who studied CS who now work in 'forensic technology' for one of the Big 4 which basically means they track down fraudsters etc. A good CS degree means access to any 'technology' based or IT grad program.
HEAR ME OUT :::::
DONT FALL FOR THE STEM MEME !!!
this shit ruined my life.
>>70439001
>that is understandable but a general finance job is still a good job right?
Yes.
I'm no expert in the US system but what they always look for first are internships; proof that you're not a fucking idiot and can do the work.
The best way to sell it is to develop an actual interest in finance and explain that you want to leverage your scientific skillset in that direction and that you don't mind working your way up from the bottom if that's what it takes. Learn basic accounting, get really good at Excel, read up on economics - that sort of thing. And then just apply for anything and everything going until some schmuck relents.
Bulge bracket investment banking probably requires an Ivy degree but there's no shame in working for one of the Big 4 and making your way there that way, if that's what you're looking for.
>>70429991
Fields that heavily involve creativity and charting out new territory in the academic topic itself like that are safe - the only STEM areas that will suffer from saturation are those that do not necessitate a very qualified and specialized, independent thinker like what you'll become - you're safe.
>tfw Navy is recruiting cyber warriors from my uni
>tfw I will serve my nation during the coming war
>>70435426
Well everyone wants to do the fun stuff in sciences and engineering. A lot of maintenance CS jobs are needed shit like sysadmin.
Being sysadmin is boring, but the pay is decent.
>>70437267
> 90% of people
You never really communicated with bottom 20% of people in terms of intellectual abilities.
>>70439238
awesome, where did you end up going?
Depends, just saying MUH STEM when you want to go to school doesn't cut it.
Nothing in life is easy, when you're going to commit to something you should always ask yourself "is this beneficial to me, and why?" and then question what you're going to get out of it.
That said, I got accepted to study mechanical engineering at uni this winter, i'm 24 years old so i'm technically a mature student, i'm late to the party but i want to make something worthwhile out of myself.
>>70440706
I'm an emergency medicine resident in Southern California.
>>70440947
Hahaha you shouldn't keep asking yourself if this is beneficial, because if you're constantly pondering you won't get anything done.
Why do you go to university so old may I ask? You do have prior work experience right, did you encounter some kind of block in your career path where a degree would help?
>>70440969
good deal man
>>70429262
Anesthesia assistant
2 years of grad school
180k starting at 40hrs/wk
Few people know about it, but it's still pretty competitive
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anesthesiologist_assistant
>>70441096
I didn't start uni until I was 26. I spent my teens and early twenties working in bars and partying.
>>70439728
i am not interested in getting into the field, im a software engineer and like what i do.
i'm just saying that with another type of stem degree it is really hard in the states to translate that into a quality job
>>70441096
No, I was a manchild NEET. I haven't worked in years.
>What's the best career path for the future.
Medicine senpai.
>>70429262
Engineers are always needed, Anon. I recommend either mechanical or civil. Physicists and mathmeticians also have an easy time finding a job, but if you actually want a job in those fields, you'll need to get a PhD or at least an MS.
>>70429262
>current year
>not being or studying to be an electrician
plebs
>>70429262
stem isn't the way forward, you were propagandized by the EU.
they started the stem meme somewhere around 2002
Is registered nursing STEM?
>>70429262
STEM is great if you have the IQ and knack for it
unfortunately it is becoming saturated with people who shouldn't be there and will ultimately just drag it down and make it less skilled and disciplined.
Everything that inflates eventually bursts and will level out again---until then, grab a trade and tinker with hobbies in STEM on the side.
>>70441455
Also, be careful with aerospace engineering. My cousin works in that industry and she told me that you get very little job security. The average Aero engineer doesn't stay last with a company more than 10 years either because of fluctuating prices of materials or companies buying each other out and making mass layoffs. I don't know if it works that way in Europe, but best to find out first.
>>70441311
Yeah that's definitely blocking oppurtunities, I mean a lot of jobs if you just look around on job listing require you to have some experience.
>>70441323
Ehh why? I mean I can't do that, for example today I'm doing nothing and already feel guilty for not working on something.
>>70429262
civil engineering brah
>>70435131
Oncology.
Genetic biology
>>70429262
I have a Masters Degree in Philosophy and make more money than any STEMfag I personally know... basically after Uni I couldn't find a job anywhere and that was a blessing in disguise, I had to improvise and that forced me to become an entrepreneur. All the STEMfags found jobs and are now stuck in mediocrity.
>>70442173
Which was first, the chicken or the egg?
>>70441749
I had a fucked up childhood, actually I did do some things like attend night classes and join a martial arts school now and then but non-existent self esteem got to me and also family life ruined my confidence in myself.
I don't want to post my life story but I ran away from home and now I am living with friends until I go to school, I pay rent with savings.
>>70442173
Nice anecdotes. I study STEM and make $1 billion a year.
Get into the medical field you fucking cuck
You get paid more than you would in STEM
You are far more respected
You're actually helping people
And you get actual cute girls interested in you
>>70441749
>Yeah that's definitely blocking oppurtunities, I mean a lot of jobs if you just look around on job listing require you to have some experience.
Yeah but employers are quite willing to take mature students on because they know you're no longer the dumb kid you were when you were 21. The fact that you pulled your head out of your arse, went back and got a degree shows character and commitment and all that shit, as does the fact you're willing to start at the bottom rung and work your way up. They know they're getting a fully-formed confident adult as an employee - someone who knows who they are and what they can do - rather than someone who perhaps isn't the finished article yet. Maturity goes a long way.
>>70429262
The best IT job I could find after college was for 35k and I worked for that company and another one for two years total until 2 months ago when I walked of the site and left the hr a note. The reason I left was for one the pay was shit for the work I had to do vb6, c#, stored procedures, database changes, missle cert changes for the military, etc., Second the drive was too long, and third they fucked over too many of my co-workers and only a bunch of shity fucks weathered it out. I so was anger that day. Right now I am going back into welding, which was what I was good at and WANTED TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE. I am in my late 20's now and VERY FRUSTRATED with life. I can't wait to get past this worthless point of my life. My ultimate goal in life is to start a business in IT or specialized work but it so out if my reach at the moment. I want to mix welding with IT in some way, maybe build and service server racks or something. I just don't know yet.
>>70442609
>falling for the medicine meme
>>70442727
I'm becoming a Registered Nurse
Shit load of money, one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country, and only a 2 year community college education
You are so fucking mad right now
>>70442244
Nice meme.
>>70442431
Are you Jewish?
>>70442905
>2 year community college education
To be a registered nurse it's 4 years.
2 years is the shitty kind of nurse that makes $18-$20 an hour
>>70442905
I'm about to graduate after 3 years of studying CS. I already have a 100k job lined up. So no, not really. Enjoy wiping the shit off of old senile people though.
>>70443059
In Canada, sure
Differs per country.
And not only that, but I'll be working in a pediatric clinic too. Nothing traumatic or gross, while still making top money.
I'll then switch to become a Nurses micro manager in a hospital or something making upwards of $80k with still that 2 year community college degree
> he fell for the STEM meme
>>70443097
what city do you live in and school do you go to if you don't mind me asking?
t. cs grad
>>70443374
oakland
>>70443097
I'll be working in a pediatric clinic. Thermometer in a sick kid's mouth etc
With a 3 year degree i all work in infant car in a hospital making upwards of $100k, which I'll do later
In other words I'll be making more money than you by making sure newborns are healthy
Enjoy sitting in front of a screen all day beta nu male cuck
Aerospace Engineering, Mechanical Engineering or Aerospace Engineering bros? What about for the military?
>>70442727
Yeah, gotta mind the debt. I got only 50k due to military service. My peers are making 500-550k/ year after residency. Ymmv.
>>70443240
I just looked it up and it says it's a 4 year program to be a registered nurse in the US.
I'm also becoming an RN and since Canada and US are linked by the NCLEX exam, they should be equally certified.
I'm actually interested if it's a 2 yr degree. If so I've been cucked because I could've studied in the US and then just practiced in Canada.
>>70443446
ah, thought as much
>>70442173
>implying people in STEM do not become entrepreneurs
You're an idiot and a half.
>>70443677
In the state of Oregon you need to obtain an Associates degree and pass the NCLEX. Its baller as fuck.
Recently decided Im gonna go into Finance and also try to get if I can a double in Philosophy. Everyone who has heard the meme about Philosphy being looked at in business tells me its a good idea.
Is it?
>>70439484
elaborate.
>>70444456
get an accounting degree and a finance degree, then you will be able to actually do multiple useful things.
>>70444569
hmm i will look into this as well
>>70429262
>Aeronautical Engineering
Aero Engineer here, I work on experimental aircraft. Someone above mentioned that often the job stability is not there and this is true. To gain any good position you need years of experience too. 90% of what I do has nothing to do with engineering, and of that remaining 10%, only a fraction of what I studied in uni was any good.
Protip: learn to program VBA. Aerospace is 40 years behind automotive and VBA is cutting edge for them.
>>70443587
A mech engineer can be hired in any field. An aero engineer is often very specific for aerospace.
>>70441213
>>70430887
Should I become a doctor
Is it too late for me
I'm 18 starting uni in the fall, have an AA
The majority of STEM isn't really anymore employable than humanities if we factor out the human element.
I'm not sure what to do you with my life other than an interest in medicine or teaching
I don't even want that much money
Am I making the right choice becom a CPA? I'm 3 years deep and still some distance to go
I don't want to travel a long way to realize I went the wrong way
>>70445030
>Is it too late for me
>18
No, but you need to buckle down and get your 4.0 in your undergrad to get into your medical school. After that, you can cruise on 50% pass marks
>>70445124
I don't have a 4.0
I'm worthless
>>70445277
You just said you were 18 and haven't even started uni yet.
>>70445369
I think my college GPA is like a 3.2 at best
>>70445084
Those guys make shitloads of money I say stick with it
>>70445084
>CPA
Yes, professional accountants are in demand everywhere. Self-employed CPA make a hell of a lot.
CPAs are also highly sought after in the finance industry (obviously).
>>70445030
see what you like about medicine, maybe there is some other part of the medical field that doesnt involve getting an MD that you like
i assume MD/RN, comp sci, and accounting are the only fields that can promise a job, and all of those are basically white collar trades
have you looked at safety management types of things? you would work for places like OSHA and make over 50K a year
>>70446447
So I should already give up. ...
Go for something you are most interested in that will be high in demand in the future.
I majored in cyber security and making $200,000 as a consultant for a health organization that is using cloud based EHR. Fuck computer science though. Honestly. Could not stand coding.
>>70446516
i woudlnt give up, i would just make sure you take the time to see what you like to do. my best advice is to not go into tons of student loan debt until you decide on something.
like, don't go to school just to go to school because it is expected of you. that's what i did at first and it is fucking me with loan debt.
taking time to work somewhere and figure out what you want to do is a very smart thing to do. just make sure you don't knock some girl up before you get a good job.
>>70446516
>>70446695
i am a cs fag but i like coding, cyber security is cool as fuck imo. i'd really like to learn more about it but i do not have the time.
>>70429262
STEM Jobs are highly competitive.
I want to get into aerospace but anons in here say it's looking dim.
this is an obscure feel.
>>70429262
Learn a craft then or go with Geology or something.
I went into mechatronics.
Well, didn't realize in time that I'm bad at math, so now I have difficulties with it.
>>70446851
>>70446755
I juggled with ideas of
Cybersecurity
Bio informatics
Medicine
History teacher
Economics
IT at a hospital
The benefit of being interested in medicine is that I can major in any of the other fields I'm interested in
Also
I don't think loans will be too big an issue, at most I have to make up $7,000 a year, but that might get paid for as well.
>>70446955
especially healthcare, and engineering. Unless you have a top 5% or 1% grades. You are fucked. Grade inflation is a serious problem in many universities like Harvard, MIT and Stanford. What this means is that your A is worth less and less, and thus so is your degree.
>>70429262
Energy
99% of STEM degrees end in a job with a career ceiling.
Sure, some get to move on to those nice six figure salaries but for most the ride ends in middle management with £50k and a 3 bed on a newbuild housing estate with no character.
t. son of large engineering firm MD
>>70447471
Fucking bullshit. No one with a decent GPA from Harvard, MIT, or Stanford is going to have any trouble finding a good job.
>>70447471
If you have a STEM degree from any of those three, you're guaranteed a job, regardless of any fucking grade inflation.
>>70429262
PRO-TIP:
>If you are white you will not get into:
Computer Science
Maths
Physics
>If you are Asian you will not get into:
Medicine
Maths
>>70447630
>the ride ends in middle management with £50k and a 3 bed on a newbuild housing estate with no character.
This only happens if you let it happen.
If you're hitting a ceiling, go elsewhere, go back to uni, learn something new, go work in a beach bar in Cambodia or some shit. People who settle do it voluntarily.
>>70447630
nice meme Mehmet.
The average STARTING salary for my engineering school is $82,000 a year.
>>70447437
i would look into cyber security and IT if that stuff interests you. 7k is not a lot of loans at all, and those jobs are pretty chill - ie comfy office with AC in the summer and nice kitchens to make lunch/coffee in.
those jobs might be really interesting if you are in security, or really easy if you are in IT. from there you can work for a while and either save money or see where life takes you. you will have a job and opportunities. not a bad way to start off being an adult!
also, try to go to a local state school if you can to save money!
>tfw graduating with a chem E degree in Alberta
Holy fuck the timing was horrible, 2 years ago I would be getting 70k starting for sure. Now my whole class is unemployed.
I'm graduated at Oceanology. I spend 15 days in high sea, and the rest of the month in the lab. The salary is bretty gud, and it'll get way better once I get some specializations and more time in the field (I got my diploma one year ago).
My cousin is an geologist, which is basically the same thing, but on ground. He also spends 15 days travelling to some place innawoods and gets back to the lab. Also has a nice pay.
Anyway, I dunno if the market for us will get better or worse, but right now, it's lookin good.
>>70448384
Was math hard?
>>70448213
Get cucked, faggot. I fled to New Brunswick to work at Irving Oil and will likely have a nice cushy job back in Alberta in a few years.
>>70448706
Most of my classmates were shocked at the amount of math in the course, but I did just fine. I always had a knack for numbers, so it wasn't much trouble.
>>70449102
Could you tell me what sort of math you got?
I already got integrals at second semester.
>mfw ideas guy
>mfw fell for the academia meme
>mfw my field is filled with pseudo-scientists who utilize speculation more than quantifiable data
>mfw they're ivy league certified
>mfw these people are the ones who can make or break a scientific paper
>mfw pseudo scientists are responsible for pop sci
>mfw I realize I'm just another indistinguishable weak rung to stand on the ladder of knowledge, a drop of fresh water in an ocean of ammoniac piss
>mfw my contributions presently mean nothing in theoretical physics
>mfw it's futile to try
>mfw
Academia is riddled with nepotism and the scientists in that field [physics] will be inclined to agree with you if only it "makes sense". String theory and the multiverse is the culmination of theoretical physics in a brute force attempt to explain or capitalize quantum mechanics to the layman with """scientists"""" such as Stephen Hawking or Neil de grasse Tyson heralding those theories, it truly is a meme.
As a person who is currently in academia get out now. Get out. Get out. Now. Go into the private sector I don't care if you want to learn the secrets of the universe, but it won't be here because academia is where the scientific method is going to die.
>>70449578
Diferential and Integral Calculus I, II, III and IV.
There's also stuff like physics, marine geochemistry, biogeochemical cicles, marine microbiology, you got it.
>>70429262
Yes most of STEM has a good future even if it is not perfect.
Biology and Chemistry can be the odd one out, no job guarantee depending on your specialization.
However:
Since every STEM subject has lots of math in it, you might as well take it on at full force: Study pure math.
The 300k starting meme is certainly an exagerration, but not by much if you go into Quantitative Finance and have a strong CS minor. Starting Salaries are 120k-180k.
Pure math has the advantage that you can literally work everywhere. Labs, Government, Uni, Insurances, Banks, Consultancy, Programmers, Architects...
I studied math and have been programming since 2002, now I live in Geneva and do freelance cryptography consulting.
Life is pretty good, also thanks to Snowden.
>>70451009
>quantitative finance
I havent heard of this until now. Is this a masters or Ph D level?
>>70451009
also that single water spout looks kind of retarded, no offense. Whats the story with that?
>>70451009
how much are you earning
t. physicsfag
>>70451497
Its not academically defined.
Its mostly applying insane levels of maths and equally insane levels of CS to finance and trading problems.
Think modelling the development of a share price using Ito-calculus and partial stochastic integro-differential equations.
Mostly of the Black-Scholes kind.
Then come the fun part where you cast what you found out on paper into software, bypassing the OS network stack because every nanosecond counts.
Its often even developing your own data structures and algorithms while the traders are screaming at you and compiling them with all warnings and errors deactivated at O(3) optimization just to get some more clock cycles out of the computer.
Then you can start with FPGA based hardware acceleration, the guys who do this are to Quants what Quants are to normal Computer science cracks.
>>70451743
Former pressure equalizing valve. Now a fountain that shoots 200m high.
Pretty impressive when you are standing next to it desu.
>>70451946
depends on how much I work.
I have a three-digit hourly rate. All extras have to be paid by the client.
