So, /pol/... I read this
http://lovkap.blogspot.com.au/2014/09/holocaust-fake-pics-1.html
I found some mistakes, but also useful info.
Now my question is: are image recognition software good enough to spot photoshopping?
Suppose we create a neural network and "train" it to efficaciously recognize as fake a set of fake images and control groups.
Than we let such network "evolve" and later on we will have a very good machine able to recognize fakes from reals. Of course there will be a margin of error, but negligible.
I would love to see historians use such software to produce results and tell us all the 20th Century lies. And all the hoaxes since the invention of photography.
My grandfathers brother was mudred by the nazis, fuck them.
i'd rather talk about holocaust indifference
i just don't care whether it happened or not
>>70426817
My grandparents were gassed at Auschwitz
I'm reporting you to the FBI, Mossad, SPLC and the ADL
>>70426959
>>70427042
I think I used the wrong title.
As I read other stuff on the Internet, it became clearer and clearer that my interest was in image recognition software for historical research.
Fuck me I'm sorry for the confusion.
I can make a non-holocaust example.
Italians have always complained about Communist rebels killing and mass murdering Italians on the Slovenian border.
But guess what? Most of the pics we have in Italy are either fakes or misunderstood.
E.g. once there was a Slovenian historian on tv and the anchor man showed pics of "killings by Yougoslavia troops"
And she said: WTF? These are Italian uniforms.
And redpilled the audience.
This is why I think an image recognition software would finally put an end to the debate on denialism (or not).
>>70427108
>I'm reporting you to the FBI, Mossad, SPLC and the ADL
Do you even read the threads?
Sith-posting level: Lord of Siths.
>>70426817
I think you are correct about one thing. The Soviets probably made many fake pictures for propaganda. That has never really been revealed and there are probably many fakes in existence. They used to alter their own pictures when people "disappeared" for upsetting Stalin. That was well documented.
>>70428009
I have absolutely no problem in:
>admitting the holocaust happened
>admitting the pictures were fake
I have no problem with this.
Moreover, let's consider the difficulty of finding information that everyone tried to hide or delete.
However, I have a theory of my own, which is hated by both denialists and Jews because it shares aspects of both versions of the story. But I do not think anybody wants to hear it.
>>70428436
Nobody wants to hear your asspulled theories. People here are interested in facts and not conjecture.
>>70428436
>>70428524
I would like to hear. Shut your fucking whore mouth you nigger dick sucking leaf.
>>70428602
Okay, it will take some 3 or 4 posts, but I will try to make them brief and stick to practical examples.
Just gimme 2 minutes.
>>70428524
>People here are interested in facts and not conjecture.
Please, leaf: leave.
NEVER FORGET THE 323 TRILLION.
>>70426817
>holocaust denialism
Not a thing. Holocaust apologetics is though.
Sage because you're a fucking cuckstralian.
>>70428602
>>70428865
Okay here we go.
## CASE 1: SELECTIVE LACK OF WELFARE ##
>Be a Jew in Germany
>Racial_Laws.docx
>Fewer access to healthcare
>Not enough money to make a living
>Poverty.jpg
>Illness.bmp
>Granpa Shleker dies of disease
>Your little sister too
>Etc.
Conclusion: some dead Jews.
## CASE 2: ORDINARY WARFARE ##
>Nazi invade Poland
>Aschluss.png
>Invaded countries resist
>Polish people (Jews and non Jews) die in battle.
>Same goes for France, etc.
>Later, other Jews who fled came back and fought as enlisted privates of foreign armies
Conclusion: some dead Jews.
## CASE 3: GUERILLA WARFARE ##
>Be Jew
>Be a Warsaw citizen
>Warsaw is sieged
>Ghetto becomes theatre of urban warfare
>Kill or get killed
>Uprising.gif
>You create your own guerrilla band and lead it to disrupt Nazi plans to deport all of ya Jews
>You die in an ambush
>Similarly in France, etc.
Conclusion: some dead Jews.
## CASE 4: OCCASIONAL MURDERS ##
>Be a Nazi Stormtrooper
>Be patrolling the woods in Poland
>Find a Jewish family hiding in a hut
>"Shall we take them to the city?"
>"Naaaaaaaah"
>Gunfire.wav
>All Jewish family is dead
>Accountability: none. Records taken: none. Etc.
>Same goes for many other European lands
Conclusion: some dead Jews. No data collectable.
>>70428865
I am probably not going anywhere so go ahead anon.
>>70430344
## CASE 5: DEPORTATION IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS ##
>Be an NCO in a German prison camp
>Jews are supposed to work as slaves to make Germany great again
>yfw you realize Germany is being invaded and there is not enough food for everybody
>Guess who's not gonna eat lunch today?
>Answer: the Jews.
>Jews die of starvation
>Others have already died because, be honest, healthcare in prison camps is shit-tier
>Others have died because Kapo and other troopers are hazing them.
Conclusion: a good deal of dead Jews
## CASE 6: VARIOUS DEATH IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS ##
>For sure Nazi people killed Jews in camps
>Camps were not an easy place to live
>Mr Shekel last day was devoured by Nazi dogs
>SS were pushing people out of the train. Uncle Ben fell and broke his neck
>SS were deciding some people were just dangerous or not fit for work = firingsquad.avi
>"What shall we do with these bodies, Helmut? Shared graves are too hard to dig and inmates are better making bullets!"
>"You are right, Hans. We'll do as everybody in Europe or Asia does: we'll build ovens to cremate bodies. Every scientifically advanced prison camp in the world has ovens. It is the safest way to dispose of a corpse".
>Ovens_construction_approved.pdf
Conclusion: many dead Jews
## CASE 7: ALLIED BOMBINGS ##
>"Sir, we have pictures of this industrial facility"
>"What does intelligence say?"
>"It is a weapon factory, Sir."
>"Glass it."
>"Aye, sir."
>B-17_engine.flac
>It turns out the weapon factory is ALSO a concentration camp
Conclusion: Many dead Jews
>>70430413
## CASE 8: THAT MESS YOU DO WHEN YOU LEAVE A PLACE IN A HURRY ##
>Be SS Hans
>yfw you realize Russians are some 20 km away from your camp
>Let's_fucking_leave.txt
>Rout.mp4
>"And what about the prisoners, Hans?"
>"Shot the ones you can, Helmut"
>Gunfire.mp3
>"I'm out of bullets"
>"Just leave man. We have no time for this. Make the other stand in line and follow us"
>Those who were not killed by Helmut's MP-40 either endured a march at night or died of exertion during the flee
Conclusion: many more dead Jews
## CASE 9: RUSSIAN MISHANDLING OF THE JEWS ##
>Be Yuri
>Be liberating Auschwitz survivors
>yfw you realize these people have been locked there with no food for some 20 days before Germans left
>most of them were ill because the others have been ordered to march out of the camp. So only the ill ones were left behind. One of them is called Primo Levi.
>they're_hungry.raw
>Russian soldiers have no fucking food to share
>Hey Jew comrade, have at least a sip of vodka
>Jew comrade's body cannot stand the strength of vodka and dies
>Others had access to food, but a starving man who is overfed is at risk of dying! Some Jews die when they are finally administered food
>"Vassiliy, where are we going to put them? We have to go to Berlin!"
>Many prisoners are mishandled by Russians, who had no contingency plan
>Jews die
Conclusion: some more dead Jews.
If they really wanted them all dead they could have just stopped feeding everyone. Honestly it does not take 4+ years to starve. 6-7 days without water as well, organ failure and such.
>>70430344
>Conclusion: some dead Jews.
>Conclusion: some dead Jews.
>Conclusion: some dead Jews.
>Conclusion: some dead Jews. No data collectable.
>>70430413
>Conclusion: a good deal of dead Jews.
>Conclusion: many dead Jews.
>Conclusion: Many dead Jews.
>>70430449
>Conclusion: many more dead Jews.
>Conclusion: some more dead Jews.
Now, this is a racial genocide:
>wiping out of certain branches of the population on racial basis
>less rights for racially identified minorities
>poverty and loss of quality of life leads a minority's death rate to increase.
>finally, outright imprisonment on racial basis
>more deaths due to the fact concentration camps had no human rights and shit
>if you add to this all the military and civilian deaths during the war
>and if you add Russians were not very kind
>and if you add many other refugees who fled to other countries, starved or survived, changed identity and shit...
Here you have it: Jewish genocide.
Is it a subset of civilian deaths of WW2? Yes.
Was it particularly enhanced by the existence of Nazi anti-Jews policies? Yes. Jews were more targeted than average civilians (e.g. French people).
What enrages Jews about my story is that:
>no gassing goes on (possible, but not necessary)
>no final solution but a hasty retreat
>a lot of deaths are indirect effects of Nazi policies or attitudes, but no plan of mass murder is enacted
>numbers are revised. The 6 million figure is revealed to be crafted by Simon Wiesenthal.
Yet I admit there were casualties. Possibly in the order of hundreds of thousands. Maybe 1-2 millions (including guerrilla fighters, general starvation, diseases, and field casualties, not just concentration camps).
>>70430552
How do you like my view?
I call it THE DISPERSED GENOCIDE.
Because it happened, but like dots on a leopard skin.
>>70430903
Honestly it makes more sense when its put in context like that. The germans weren't idiots, i honestly dont see them committing to the logistic nightmare of killing MUH 600 GORILLIAN. Also considering they were fighting from normandy, resistance fighters, north africa, east europe, russia. I simply cannot see them putting mass resources to killing them, whilst feeding them and such.
>>70426817
60.000.000 Jews died at the hands of the nazis, please stop with your conspiracy theories.
There is so much evidence to debunk your nonsense that it's not even funny.
>>70430903
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference
>>70430903
That's what most of us already believe because it's supported by the historical record.
>>70431396
Let's see the evidence for your spooky holocaust conspiracy theory then.
I am reading If this is a man as I write.
It is an autobiographical book by Primo Levi.
He was set to work because of his chemistry background.
Throughout his book he is quite serendipitous about gas chambers. It is like a running joke.
Basically, it is true people where killed, but non of the survivors knew how.
Plus, he has a huge section on how Muslims were particularly hit in concentration camps and unable to adapt to the life there and learn the language.
Now Israeli forces are genociding Palestinian people, but basically they were sharing beds in the concentration camps.
Why Jewish media never talk of the Muslim holocaust? This Jewish writer does!
>>70431879
>pic
Exactly what I've try to write above.
So why do people on /pol/ reacted negatively last time I proposed this?
>systematically
I can argue for systematic murder.
Just not the one you would see in a butchery though.
It is systematic in the sense it occurred repeatedly over some 5-7 years.
But the ways of murdering them were not homogeneous.
>>70432176
>So why do people on /pol/ reacted negatively last time I proposed this?
>>70432493
This is a notorious fake.
Anyway, Primo Levi says in his camp there were 12,000 people and the "great selection" of 1944 wiped out some 7% of the people, that is 50% of the ill ones plus a good deal of old dudes.
He said ovens had been working for days at maximum regime. But implied they were not always working like that. He assumed it was because they were taking care of "new arrivals".
So 7% of 12,000 is 840 people. And this was the great selection in his camp.
I mean, this is atrocious. 7% is very high mortality in just one occurrence.
Just nowhere near the advertised figures.
Yet I think it was pretty clear, according to Levi's testimony, that fishy shit was going on at the camp.
The more I read the more I find the story to be believable.
