>claims to be redpilled
>believes in "white man made" climate change
>>70420168
one day you will understand what science is, and feel stupid
>>70420168
We're fucking with our environment
First world countries contribute the most and we are the only ones with the capital to research alternatives that won't fuck with our environment so much. China's not going to do it but they'll gladly switch over to something else as they know how bad it can get.
>>70420415
You have been brainwashed into believing this. In fact "anthropogenic" climate change is not science. It is nothing but a propaganda lie.
>>70420168
Wasn't it global warming? At least stick to the same topic.
>>70420504
What are you talking about? China is the number 1 investor in alternatives and have entire cities running largely on solar panels and water power.
>>70420558
They had to rename it, since nature doesn't play along with their propaganda.
>>70420651
It was changed because we figured out it was far more than just some warming air and thus the name didn't do it service.
>>70420168
At this point it can be nothing else but man made
http://www.pnas.org/content/110/43/17235.abstract
>>70420763
Really? Then why is there no global warming? Even though that's all the expert talked about?
>>70420504
how fucking ignorant can you be? China is leading the world along with the Scandinavians and the Ayyrabs for environmental technology
>>70420763
The name doesn't matter, the important thing is that it was caused my white males.
>>70420824
There is global warming
>>70420835
What really matters is that we need to move away from our current methods that pollute on such a high level.
>>70420822
This is not science. Science is about questioning hypotheses. A "truth" that is not allowed to be questioned is a dogma and not a scientific theory. Scientists are pressured into supporting the "man made" climate change lie, because anyone who questions it will inevitably lose his reputation, his funding and ultimately his job.
>>70420168
>if it gets abnormally cold that means the environment cant be changing
conservative "logic"
>>70420921
Show me the global warming with evidence then.
>>70420926
Do you have proof of this conspiracy?
>>70420945
http://climate.nasa.gov/system/image_uploads/main/HemisphericTemperatureChange-590.jpg
>>70420926
Science is not a democracy, science is a dictatorship and the dictator is evidence.
The evidence is plain. Go read the journal. It involves no opinions only facts and figures.
You are literally done.
> global warming is real
> its not man made
> all planets in solar system are warming up
> /thread
You are welcome
>>70421107
>all planets in solar system are warming up
Source?
>>70420926
Gravity, is a fact. Questioning the existence of gravity makes you a complete retard.
The theory of gravity on the other hand, can be scrutinised and argued against.
Now replace gravity with evolution/climate change/whatever else.
Understand now /pol/tard?
>>70420956
How about millions being poured into bullshit research to affirm what the government is saying and why corporations need environmental taxes to motivate them.
I'm all for reducing pollution, I just don't really believe in global warming.
>>70421029
What do you want me to do with this?
>>70420945
http://www.ecology.com/2012/08/16/species-response-to-climate-change/
argue against that one dipshit
>>70420936
Climate has always been changing and will always continue to change -- naturally. The human contributions to it are inappropriately exaggerated in order to push another variant of the "white guilt" dogma. Don't get fooled by polar bear pictures with dramatic music.
>>70420168
>"white man made"
Go on OP.
>>70420415
Marxism is also considered science
The only thing causing the effects of "global warming" is the worldwide geoengineering agenda.
>>70421166
How do you know its bullshit? Also if you look at the graph there is no denying that the Earth is warming up.
>>70420956
Club of Rome
>>70421044
There is no evidence at all. The whole thing is a huge "correlation vs causation" fallacy.
>>70421168
Again, it talks about climate change and not so much global warming. Climates change 4 times a year. Some areas being hotter at some point is not evidence, temperatures go up and down all the time.
>>70421151
I don't deny that climate is changing. But it's not caused by white men. It's natural.
>>70421206
Totally OT but can someone explain this to me? Dafug is 'scientific socialism'?
>>70421278
Except there's plenty of independent research not even linked to the Club of Rome that verifies climate change as occurring.
>>70421320
CO2 is a greenhouse gas
We're dumping CO2 at a high rate into the atmosphere
Atmospheric temperatures are warming up
>>70421168
Animals react to changes in climate. Nothing new. Still not man made.
>>70421390
CO2 is a weak greenhouse gas. The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is very low. The anthropogenic part of it is negligibly small.
>>70421251
0.6 degrees celcius? Did we even have accurate measurement equipment to monitor this on a large scale in 1880?
>>70420763
>It's completely different from what we thought it was
>but it's still just as dangerous and caused by the exact same stuff
convenient "truths."
>>70420763
They changed it because it turned out to be a hoax but "something is changing, we don't know what or how but it's real and bad" for that research money.
I'm not saying there isn't anything bad going on or going to happen, but we just don't really know if anything is changing at all and if whatever may be changing js even caused by humans. The whole CO2 scare turned out to be a hoax as well, but governments play along. Give 10 million in research funding, get 10 billion in CO2 tax.
>>70421044
>Science is not a democracy, science is a dictatorship and the dictator is evidence
Unless it's about gender, race, climate, immigration or anything people don't already agree with.
>>70420835
India was one of the largest pollouters last year
>>70421539
That's not science though. That's just Germany and Sweden.
>>70421657
Polluters of streets?
>>70421465
>Global warming is still hapening and not different at all
>Reason it was changed is because of ocean acidification, rising sea levels and the climate actually changing
convenient strawman.
>>70421439
CO2 is very effective at absorbing and re-emtting longwave radiation. Also when temperatures increased the most we've seen that emissions from upwards longwards radiation decreased through active trapping at the exact same wavenumbers as they increased for downward radiation.
99.999999% of scientists say we're causing global warming, fellow goyim. They're the same 99.999999% of scientists who say that all human beings are exactly equal and evolution does not affect the brain, so you know they can be trusted.
Starting to think all the mudslimes in germany have made our friendly local /pol/ germans retards. And that one dutch guy too.
>>70421449
Fine machinery existed in this time period alongside other things. Its not the middle ages with some man sticking his finger in the air.
>>70420168
>believes in burning the carbon jew
not redpilled enough yet it seems
>>70421657
Literal shitstorms incoming
>>70421741
>evolution does not affect the brain
The people who say that aren't in genetics nor are they credible.
>>70421699
>CO2 is very effective at absorbing and re-emtting longwave radiation
This is what is probably the biggest-scale hoax in modern history. How the fuck is CO2 supposed to be a one-way mirror for IR radiation? If it scatters IR, it shields from outside too.
>White made
The chinks are far fucking worse
>>70421324
I meant stuff like critical theory is part of sociology
>>70421895
The sun produces so much radiation that it still gets in. The longwave which is associated with heat generally has a harder time leaving when there are more greenhouse gases though.
>>70421439
we also dump methat, also billions of metric tons of a GAS is released into the atmosphere.
a German who does not understand gas, wtf?
>>70421312
>Climates change 4 times a year
Holy shit, are you really this stupid?
>>70421895
moron. Incoming radiation is mostly VIS to UV. Which gets re-emited by the earth as IR back into space except it fucking cant because of all the fucking greenhouse gases so we get stuck with the IR.
>>70421148
>NASA says the Martian South Pole’s “ice cap” has been shrinking for three summers in a row. Maybe Mars got its fever from earth. If so, I guess Jupiter’s caught the same cold, because it’s warming up too, like Pluto."
You can verify this with a simple google search you lazy bum.
Something is happenin with the solar system and they are hiding the real reason. They are also using this to push their global warming tax agenda bullshit.
>>70421741
>confusing sociology """""papers""""" with the people in climate sciences
>Let's live in mud hats because global warming/global cooling/climate change
Well you can all believe in bullshit because of your cult of science, but you need to realize where all this climate change bullshit is leading us
Marxism and climate change are two sides of the same coin - to make people into cattle to live in technocratic prisons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masdar_City
>>70422124
>quote with no source
kek
>>70422124
Mars isn't warming though and neither is Jupiter. We have not observed any temperature warming on those planets
They can't be warming up by say the sun as the sun is cooling down
>>70422154
But Poles already live in mud huts
>>70422177
If you are too retarded to do your own research and make up your own mind in this age of instant information, there's nothing i can do.
>>70422016
>denying seasons exist
Is that not in the Qu'ran or something? We're in an elliptical orbit around the sun and that orbit over time changes shape so some periods are going to be hotter or colder than others.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-DYgGFjI
>Giving your money to Arabs which use them to fund Muslim extremists, mosques in Europe and anti-white propaganda for oil
>Red-pilled
>>70422154
> but you need to realize where all this climate change bullshit is leading us
Yeah towards developing a method of scrubbing CO2 and other greenhouse shitcunts from our atmosphere. Otherwise we're toast.
>>70420168
World naturally goes through climate change, we are just speeding it up this time around.
China and India are the biggest contributors, but USA companies owned factories are over in China.
>>70422382
I can't find any numbers showing temperature changes on mars and Jupiter. Can you link me some?
>>70420168
>claims to be redpilled
>cherry picking data
when people discuss "global warming", they are merely arguing about one aspect of an topic, its also irrelevant, seeing as how it is incidental.
on its own "global warming" is a sub-topic of far larger subject, being the overall state of the atmosphere, which includes everything from contamination and external influences (the sun cycles, solar flares, mass ejections etc).
holes in the ozone layer, acid rain, strontium circulating in out atmosphere and so many other things, claiming it is all due to C02 is just retarded.
>>70422382
>I have no sources just find them yourself
Typical turkroach
>>70422459
Seasons are not climate you dumb fucking sandnigger. Climate is long term, not over a few months.
>>70422529
This is true however we're doing it in an unnatural way. The CO2 in the atmosphere we've introduced has no doubt already begun to disrupt the natural temperature cycles.
>>70422459
>>70422620
Also
>he thinks the seasons are caused by the shape of the orbit
The effect of axial tilt is 100x bigger than eccentricity.
>>70422541
>claiming it is all due to C02 is just retarded.
But that's what all the bullshit models and their priests are using as a pivot for the climate.
>>70422496
good point but this would never have been an issue if countries wouldn't let in illegal immigrants or allow building of mosks with foreign money
>>70422620
>>70422668
Are you mentally handicapped? The biggest factor for "global warming" and "global cooling" is the distance from earth to the sun, which changes over time. Space is not static.
>>70422004
The millions of tons of gas we dump in the atmosphere is a drop in an ocean of the gas released from methane hydrates in the poles and oceans. There is literally more sequestered gas in hydrates in one ocean then in all of our known reserves. These hydrates are released with just a minimal change in the conditions of the ocean.
Is climate change real. Who cares. There is no stopping it now. There really isn't. If it was man made it is no longer under our control or ability to prevent. Once hydrates began to release there was no stopping it. It is highly plausible that a warm weather event released a large hydrate deposit 50 years ago and the consequences of it are that it is causing more hydrates to release today. To blame mankind with the data and knowledge we have now is pure b.s. furthermore instruments in the early 50s were not accurate as quality control was not as big as it is now. The data models do not account for possible errors in measurements. There is a reason why the kilogram wasn't truely standardized until the 70s
>>70422541
>holes in the ozone layer, acid rain, strontium circulating in out atmosphere and so many other things, claiming it is all due to C02 is just retarded.
Nobody claims that. Ozone depletion is blamed on CFCs, Strontium circulation is blamed on strontium and acid rain on a number of chemicals, with CO2 being the most prominent among them.
>>70422268
Yes they are.
Their counter argument is that the sun's output is same therefore the other planets can't warm up because of it. Even if they do, thats "probably" because of local factors.
Of course they are totally ignoring the complex relationship between sun and the planets. Actually they are completely clueless, only calculate and formulate what is happening without understanding the real reasons and connection behind the whole system.
>>70422730
>average distance from the sun changes quick enough to affect climate in just 6 decades
Ok Bilel
>>70422730
Well the sun is in a cooling period and we're warming up
>>70422822
Where are these sources I can't find them.
>>70422822
>Yes they are.
>no sources again
kek
>>70420168
Another one of these threads...
Better get a snack, here come the fedoras debating the scientifically illiterate retards
>>70422681
Islamic extremist would've still been an issue. 9/11 wasn't done by US muslims.
>>70422730
Seasons are caused by axial tilt.
No one disputes that earth-sun distance affects climate.
>>70422822
>They are clueless.
>Not me though, I know the truth.
>Everything is connected at a deep level behind the scenes.
lay off the acid roach
>>70421177
How about you try and back that up
>>70421177
>ush another variant of the "white guilt" dogma
>literally all news here talks about the west actually cutting emissions and mostly blames US (not white) and chinks and streetshitters
>>70422504
>Otherwise we're toast.
1974, 1982,1991,1997,2002,2004,2005,2007,2010,2014,2016
These are the years they predicted the bcatastrophic results of global climate change.
Not a single one was even close to accurate. If you can't accurately predict outcomes with your shitty model, then it's not science its propoganda.
>>70423137
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sunearth/news/mag-portals.html
Yeah there's no connection between sun and its planets! Sun is just burning plasma! Scientists know everything!
Go back to watching tv you fucking slave
>>70420168
>"white man made"
well that is very biased. The carbon doesn't care who freed it.
>>70423560
So where are the numbers showing jupiter and mars warming?
>>70423505
Try 2045 next time. Not that any one of us really knows when it's going to happen.
You are literally asking people to precisely predict the future of a chaotic system.
The uncertainties on our estimates have even bigger uncertainties.
It's impossible to predict. Though the closer we get the more precise our estimates get.
So if you want a definitive prediction for doomsday start polluting right now as much as you can and don't ever stop.
>>70423832
>It's impossible to perdict and we've failed every single time so far.
>But trust us we're right anyway!
The belief in climate change is inherently based on jewish physics i.e. the non-existence of aether.
Should not be trusted.
The real red pill is that climate chance is real and man made but its too late to stop it.
At this point we can only embrace our coming destruction
>>70423655
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
http://news.mit.edu/2002/pluto
http://news.mit.edu/1998/triton
http://news.discovery.com/space/alien-life-exoplanets/jupiter-undergoing-global-changes-121018.htm
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080522121036.htm
These are all i can find for now. You can look for more if you are really interested and not shitposting. I said a simple google search but now only bs links come up, wasnt like this when i looked up on the subject.
Solar system is changing all together and it has nothing to do with factories or carbon bs
Scaremongering predictions from 30 years ago were based on a worst case scenario where clouds trap heat and cause rapid warming, the so-called feedback effect. Turns out this effect isn't very important. In reality the ocean is absorbing co2, where it will sink and become deposited at the bottom.
>>70420824
In the northern hemisphere an increase in temperature is preceded by more extreme seasons - hotter summers and colder winters.
This was know even when it was still called global warming, but people see that name and assume it's a simple monotonic increase in temperature and not a complex phenomenon that ultimately results in higher average temps.
>>70422371
fucking rekt
You guys are going to be so mad in 50 years when all the dindus of Africa and all the Snackbars from the ME, and all the poos from Bangladesh flood into the west.
You think Syria is bad?
Go ahead, deny science to be a contrarian.
>>70425177
In 50 years? They are coming right now. And it's not because of the climate.
>>70425259
I am saying it will get even worse.
>>70422757
>highly plausible that a warm weather event released a large hydrate deposit 50 years ago
that warm weather "event" was about a hundred years of smoke stack releasing co2 into the air, anyways you are right, there is a ton of methane that will be released as the Earth gets warmer. but that spark for the positive feedback cycle of: warm climate ->released methane -> even warmer climate-> even more methane
was created by humans releasing greenhouse gases.
claims Lush Rimjob has a brain instead of is highly paid to brainwash people with corporate propaganda
>>70420168
>global warming the fault of white people
Yeah, I'm sure the combined 3 billion of Chinese and Indians don't have anything to do with that.
>>70420507
That's right Jerry. Burn more oil. Make more money for Kochsuckers. Let's just get rid of oxygen why don't we
>>70421924
>I meant stuff like critical theory
It's funny you mention that actually because I was talking to one of those yesterday.
>Start debating with them
>Give them a difficult question
>Reply with adhom
>Point out what fallacies are
>"Yes I think I know what fallacies are, I was on the debate team and got a distinction"
>In total asked 3 questions, all of which require simple answers, weren't loaded questions or anything like that and 3 times I got adhom replies
>They're acting like a complete faggot to the point of using smileys like it strengthens their point
>Show they haven't actually answered anything I've said with any kind of real answer
>Starts mentioning slippery slopes
>Point out I've never used any kind of slippery slope and just throwing fallacies around in the hope that one sticks isn't arguing, particularly if the other person knows what they are
>Changes the discussion almost immediately and asks how I would describe them
>Be honest and say faggot
>"Now who's using adhom?"
>Have to point out that's not how it works and that he hadn't posed any question
>Ask him when he said he was on the debate team if he had actually won
>Claims he had that I found very hard to believe
>"I got a distinction in critical theory"
>Ask him if he learned about the Holocaust
>Says he did
>Ask what else he learned about and if it was all Jew specific
>Gets mad and says they studied the Atlantic slave trade and the genocide of Native Americans too
>Ask if he studied anything where whites weren't the villain and ask if he learned about any of the times whites were slaves
>Claims he did which he obviously didn't because he had no knowledge of them at all
>Ask if he ever heard about the German Revolution of 1918-19
>Literally copy and pasted from Google about world war 1
>Finally realise he's a fucking retard
I fucking hate these faggots, literally the worst goalpost movers I've ever known in my fucking life.
>>70420824
Keep living below sea level Heike. And show us your dutch tits. Before the tide
>>70420926
The corporate dead jew eaters would never lie to us would they. They want what's best for us.
>>70425103
>hotter summers and colder winters
I know this is Britain but we haven't had a week of non-stop hot weather for at least 15 years and it hasn't snowed properly in the last 6.
>>70421166
I don't believe in things that I don't believe in. I am Dutch and pretend not to be Belgigger
>>70425561
But nobody forces them to feel guilty. All those self-proclaimed climate activists only ever target fucking white males.
>>70420168
>crying climate change
>continue to eat cows
Pick one
>>70421291
Measures temperature. It's a conspiracy. March East Jerry. Do it
>>70425628
You realize you're one of the biggest parts of the problem, right?
Why would anyone take anything you say seriously when you come off as a whiny liberal?
>>70425177
>"believe in" science
That's not how it works. If you just blindly accept ever scientific paper out there you're an idiot. There are plenty of things that can be done poorly when conducting experiments and all sorts of false conclusions can be drawn even if the methodology is good.
>>70420507
>the greenhouse effect is propaganda
kek. Yeah I'm sure we're the ones being brainwashed
>>70421895
You're even more ignorant of science than you at first appeared.
>>70427881
Both are true though, with the exception of the ridiculous final pane on the left.
You'd have to be an idiot to think Al Gore cares about the environment when he was buying nonsense "carbon credits" from his own company.
>>70422730
If that were true it would be summer everywhere on Earth at the same time, because the whole planet is closer to the Sun. The actual effect is the opposite, and countires on opposite sides of the globe have summer and winter at opposite times of the year.
>>70427881
(((Regional environmental groups and community activists)))
>>70422541
>C02
It's CO2.
NO GUISE IDS HOUR FULT SHULDNT HAV BEN DRIVIN MOTORCARS YOU PLANET KILERS
>>70428220
(((oil companies)))
we cant win
>>70427881
>""""""Regional environmental groups and community activists""""""
Top propaganda.
>>70421206
>>70427881
The red pilled version:
Big oil companies...
are part of big energy companies that have "green" and "dirty" divisions
Those companies bribe anyone they can to push global warming agenda
Which leads to governments massively subsidizing the "green" branch
While the "dirty" branch threatens to sack people and stop supplying energy the economy is dependent on due to "unfair" subsidies given to the "green" branch. Thus blackmailing the government into subsidizing the "dirty" branch as well.
The energy company is now drowning in government money, while useful eco-idiots are demanding that the government give it even more.
Good cop and bad cop both work for the same PD.
Either way, global warming showcases how arrogant humanity is. We've gotta "save the world" right? The earth can and will endure whatever we throw at it until the point when we're capable of pulling some death star shit. But I doubt we'll live to see that. The planet will drop us like a bad habit. We're all bogged down in theory and rhetoric when the real philosophy is: We're insignificant. We're here for ourselves and only ourselves until we eventually dissipate and some other cats take the crown.
>One of my profs, a climate scientist and PhD
>Says quotes of his were altered/taken out of context to make it sound like he believes things he doesn't - "I never said that".
>He says a lot of that field is a mess of under-qualified liberals with an agenda
>Believes climate change is real, but isn't sure if it's man made
>Says the "consensus" is argumentum ad populum and that they're not following the scientific method - they are biased and trying anything to prove a pre-held belief
Good guy, I tend to believe him too.
Climate change is natural.
However I also think renewable energy is a good investment since oil is finite, even if it is currently crashing in price. [spoiler]Nuclear power is best[/spoiler]
I also think that companies shouldn't just dump shit willy nilly on the basis that you don't shit where you eat.
>claims to be redpilled
>doesn't watch pat condell
