Is there even a single non-retarded argument against universal basic income?
Reality
it's called welfare
>>70419071
first post best post
There are around 245,201,076 people in the US over the age of 18.
http://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/00
$7.25 (minimum wage) times 2080 (typical hours worked in a year) times 245201076 (population over 18) equals 3,697,632,226,080.
That's 3.6 million millions for you who don't understand how absurdly large that is. And that's only for a single year. You'd have to be a fucking idiot to think basic income is feasible, especially in America.
The math doesn't lie, your article is bullshit.
>>70419004
Without some measure to keep the population from exploding it will not work.
Some people say the feeling of purpose and a "good day's hard work" from a job won't be satisfied, but I think with community projects it will still be there.
Without honest conversation about ourselves and humanity, UBI will never be a thing.
>>70419071
fpbp
>>70419071
/thread
Basic income is pure degeneracy. Basic jobs is going to be the answer we need.
>>70419142
easily funded by taking back the wealth hoarded by the elite who are doing nothing with it and by placing a speculation tax on wall street.
sorry anon but this thread is for non-retarded arguments only.
basic income would be so detrimental to society i can't believe people fall for that stupid meme. Norway practically already has it, only difference is you need a diagnosis and apply for it. I have it. I'm fucking ashamed, but it's hard to say no to free money. I make more than I would working 50% at a non-skill job. I'm going to study this fall and that will make me lose the money because studying means I'm healthy or whatever. I know I'm a faggot, but I won't be for much longer. Fuck UBI.
Basic income can't work in any nation that has a culture of not working anyway. Will these people suddenly seek employment when you give them even more? No.
>>70419004
Most people aren't going to self-improve or learn if they dont need to work
They're going to blow it all on food, booze, entertainment and drugs.
>>70419071
>>70419103
>>70419154
>>70419181
Not an argument.
You did not disprove OP. You're an idiot.
>>70419071
Thats not an argument.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/buttonwood/2016/04/minimum-wages?zid=309&ah=80dcf288b8561b012f603b9fd9577f0e
>>70419004
If I didn't have to work to live, then I probably wouldn't work at all. Much like others would. Then thats a ton of jobs not being done because "eh, I'm happy doing whatever I want"
>>70419256
Speculation tax = less investment overall, and a lot less investment in risky ventures. Are your gibs worth technological stagnation?
Fuck your happiness. The capitalistic engine needs workforce and blood. Shut your mouth and keep working
Can't wait for people to scrub toilets for "self-improvement" and "enjoyment".
>>70419004
>>70419479
>what is automation???
30 million nigs="dats gud nuff fo me"
They won't even take McDonald's anymore
Mexicans would come in a tsunami.
No.
>>70419414
heres your reply faggot
>>70419256
Fuck off pinko.
>>70419256
>wealth hoarded by the elite who are doing nothing with it
This is what progressives ACTUALLY believe!
>>70419004
>>70419004
>Self Improve
>Help community
Nigger have you ever seen a welfare community? I don't want to shock you or anything, but they're covered in fucking trash.
Dropping acid is not self improvement
yall gonna change your tune when robots take over your gas stop jobs. dont think its distant future, its happening. its happening as we speak
It's theft and retarded.
>>70419256
So what happens when the elites run out of money? Even they will have trouble funding a $3 trillion dollar a year program. Even the entire defense budget is only half of that.
>>70419004
Is there even a single non-retarded argument for universal basic income?
fify, you parasite.
>1% of the total wealth of the US is the same as the entire wealth of the top 1% of earners
>>70419004
>>70419515
>Mexicans would come in a tsunami.
This is important. Also when blacks know that they will get even more money now for producing their ape-like missing link offspring, the nigger birthrate will go through the roof until we hit planet of the apes level.
The only way minimum human pay can work is if we made it a white-only thing, this would be like elevating whites to royalty status, that would be a good deal, since we do all the work anyway, and we made this country and culture.
Retard who made this thread thinks people will be garbage collectors and clerks for "enjoyment".
>>70419510
this retard thinks all those tedious manual jobs will somehow magically get automated
I'm out
>>70419688
even that is per person, so between me, my wife, and her sons, its almost $50k per year
>>70419004
1) what evidence have you got
2)how much is it going to cost
3)how much are you sacrifice to make it happen
t. Sowell
>>70419906
>this retard thinks all those tedious manual jobs will somehow magically get automated
this retard still plows fields by hand
>>70419414
if nobody HAS to clean the shitters
nobody WILL clean the shitters
Streets overflow with poo
We india now.
Pahjeet my son.
>>70419256
"Easily funded by forcible confiscation... which is totally sustainable"
Go on... please...
>>70419071
Why?
Why should we give incentives for people to shit out more unproductive citizens who will just leech off the system all day
>>70419425
"We should have basic income" isn't an argument either. It is a premise.
So basically, you offer no argument other than a picture showing peace of mind.
Then say "disprove this"
It is idiot tier stuff. You have to provide an argument, not a general topic.
It is like saying "The color red... disprove it"
>>70419256
>lite who are doing nothing with it
And this is why your argument gets disregarded. Try again when you learn how to think
>>70420044
Driving a tractor isn't automation.
>>70419507
Just because this is you doesnt mean this is everybody. I for one would work in the library whenever I want to. If everyone would do the same the library would work better than ever, even if I were to spend 6/7 days on weed and enjoying life.
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What you are saying is that there is something wrong with enjoying the life you are given, which is sad in many ways.
>>70419596
Sven got it right
>>70419004
Why would anyone pay you to exist when they could just kill you instead?
>>70419004
if all people will work less the outcome will be less wealth to everyone. learn to economics. basic income will cause inflation resulting in larger basic income and so on until you collapse under your own debt.
>>70419906
You wouldnt clean your street if its filthy? You wouldnt help out a local store if its swamped? I'd take pride knowing I'm the one cleaning my town, hell, you'd be fucked without me.
>czech
Nevermind mate, I get it! :)
>>70420335
you do understand that it takes far fewer humans to do the same job now, right?
right?
>>70419688
Go to YouTube and look up "Bill Whittle Eat the Rich"
>>70420105
This is stupid? Not only are there buildings designed to clean and recycle all that waste, there would always be people interested knowing how that shit works... no pun intended.
Besides.. wouldnt you clean your street if it was filthy?
>>70420335
Tractors that drive themselves is, which is pretty common now.
>>70420335
>what are automated cars.
>>70420400
>if all people will work less the outcome will be less wealth to everyone
This point is wrong because work can still be done without people (mechanization, robots).
In the future, most work will be able to be done by robots.
>>70420224
Look at how many people spend their lives on welfare when they get a barely livable pittance.
Do you think that number will increase or decrease with more welfare shekels?
Do you think increased taxes to fund this will cause more or less jobs?
>>70420400
>this coming from a jew.
If the jew is against it, it means we are on to something guys..
>>70420400
Dont you want the entire world working for you so you could do the exact same thing bruh?
>>70419071
Shut the fuck up you fucking slave
It's called men need to work for women's abortions and that can't be paid for if no one is working.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ_HTABr7hA
Who /comfy/ here?
>>70420575
Who's going to build the robots vlad?
>>70420366
If a person can't survive without being guaranteed a certain level of income they are a shitty person and deserve to fail/die.
>>70419004
>implying people will work if they dont need the money for those retarded reasons
>>70419256
and then the rich people go away and we end up like any sub-human country on this planet
>>70419142
You are way wrong on this number dude. Minimum wage is going up so double that shit lawl.
>>70420582
If they get (I'm just pulling something out of my ass here) 3000 bucks a months and are told: this is it guys, if you want more, go on and work for it. You got free healthcare and shit, your taxes are 'normal' and its up to you to work on your neighbourhood, I'm thinking yes.. yes they would help eachother out.
Rural parts see a golden age while cities and big business spots attract people that want to work, grow, earn more and more.
>>70419142
>3.6tn
>gov debt is 20tn
I really don't think it would matter at this stage. Besides without universal healthcare UBI is pointless.
The UK would need to find about 100 bn extra a year to fund a program for £700/month/adult. We pay half of that a year in debt interest.
>>70420722
I bet you live in a rundown apartment with 40 year old appliances and have Turks for neighbors.
>>70420759
What would you like to do? If you could pick anything, what would it be?
>>70420366
How do you expect to sustain modern civilization if no one works to produce?
>>70420475
And you understand that isn't automation, right? Plenty of jobs could be automated right now, but they're not because the cost of switching to unproven automated systems is far greater than simply hiring humans. Even then only the more wealthy companies will be able to afford it. Smaller companies will stick with humans.
>>70420610
not all jews benefit from the usury socialist system you stupid fuck.
>>70420575
all people can create something new. if its art or something else. also mechanization dont solve everything. if people are cheaper than machines why invest in a coplicate and expensive machinery?
Might work with some people, not others, hint hint.
Others will say "lol free money now I'll sit around all day long, hey why haven't my ancestors or myself done anything? It must be those guys over there".
>>70420833
>What is automation.
What do you require? Food? We can create something that makes food, packs it, sends it, hell we can automate a fork so we only have to open our mouth.
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You are probably talking about the shitty jobs and simple as it may be: people WILL need more money. They always do, they always want to earn more so they can do something else with it.
>>70420817
oh little wageslave
i live in one of the most beautiful areas in my city and all of the people in my house are of white genetics
the person next door is actually an attractive white female ... yes you heard right wageslave.
The NEET shares the same apartment privileges attractive white females have but its ok.
You are just a wagie in a cagie who is butthurt that some people live a free life.
>>70420827
Not fucking work?
>>70420752
Lol, nice one Danebro!
Not yet, but it will be needed when automation takes our jobs.
>>70419004
That will convince you? No. Absolutely not.
>>70420890
Sorry pal, but you have that star for a reason.
>>70419256
>easily funded by taking back the wealth hoarded by the elite who are doing nothing with it and by placing a speculation tax on wall street.
And what exactly stops "the elite" from taking their money to a country that won't steal it and give it to lazy parasites?
>>70420794
Why? You are completely ignoring objective reality.
>Look at how many people spend their lives on welfare when they get a barely livable pittance.
Most people have little to no motivation.
>>70420960
So you would seriously sit on your ass, doing nothing? I guess you'd eat?
>>70420952
Shut your mouth frogposter and fix your country.
>>70419256
>>70419437
Also if the "wall street speculation" is a source of important revenue, then the government has a vested interest in keeping it going. These are the same idiots who want to "tax and regulate" hard drugs, but don't see the problem with a government having a vested interest in its citizens being junkies.
>>70420993
israel is cucked by the banks as well...
>>70419256
Would agree. What we on, 30trillion and counting hidden away in the BVI? Yeah imma thinking it's time for some redistribution.
>/pol/
>Shit on NEETs for being worthless and a blight on society.
>Thread is full of wage cucks saying they would be NEET if they could.
Oh wagies, you make me smile.
>>70420575
someone finally gets it.
>>70421060
You are allowed to lie, I do not believe a word coming out of your flag.
Jews practically invented money.
>>70420752
Wait.
Shills do it for cash? In which case. People pay for shitposting. Seriously? Why would someone pay for your post.
>>70421103
Follow the thread you dumb frogposter
Inflation
>>70420469
I guess he is a perfect representation of the mass population whether he would do those things or not
>>70419906
Garbage collection these days is a skilled trade due.to all of the regulations involved now. Those dudes make very nice salaries. Automation will take up essentially the no brain jobs. A lot of your front end food service jobs shelf stickers box throwers and factory monkeys. That's the group of people we will be sending to the desert in the fake ww3 to alleviate the world of its lower burdens.
>>70420688
>>70421052
get with the time gramps
as a true NEET Scientist i have amassed great economic knowledge and its simply the right way to live in the current year
Our world shifts more and more in a society where a few can sustain the rest throught technological advancements.
I am free to do whatever i please while western civilization, morals and ethics keep me alive and well.
There is no need for me to push a button over and over again to satisfy my boss. Robots are doing these type of jobs now and serve ME.
Yes ME .. the NEET who studies economics, astrophysics, psychology and politics in his time. (Note: i didnt mention free time because 100% of my time is free).
Farewell brothers. I have a 2 hour YouTube video to watch. Edward Witten is one of my favorite NEETs.
>>70420469
What you fail to understand is the effect it has on the millions of shitskins who couldn't care less. You're no longer in homogenous countries
>>70419507
>>70420366
This is more accurate.
>>70419004
>Is there even a single non retarded argument that doesn't tell me to better myself to get a better job against Gib Me Dat?
Thread
>>70419004
if you had basic income no one would want to sweep the streets, clean toilets, or do other low-skill, low-pay, unpleasant jobs.
But those jobs are necessary so you'd have to increase the salaries much more in order to incentivise people to do them.
That would be a burden on the economy in addition to the already increased burden of paying out basic income to begin with.
>>70419004
where does the free money come from?
>inb4 taxing the basic income to pay for the basic income
>>70420952
>Free life
>Depending on others for their scraps
Top kek, Muhammad
>>70421275
I told you to fix your country, not tell me why your country is bad.
>>70420794
But that's not how it happens.
The people """""""need""""""" the $3000 in the first place because they are worthless, unmotivated pieces of shit. If the $3000 is enough to exist they will stop there.
>I'm thinking yes.. yes they would help eachother out.
This is NOT what ACTUALLY happens.
The empirical evidence is there. It's just a matter of getting over shitty emotional idealism and accepting the grim reality that these people are waste.
>>70420688
>>70420939
yeah you can autimate a system to make a bulding and destroy it just because. we need a system thats know how to allocate resources in the mose efficient way. you dont need a machine to deliver food to your fat face, its more efficient you do it yourself. we dont have an abundance of everything. everything need to mined refined and used in efficient way.
dont be a pleb.
>>70420939
>What do you require? Food? We can create something that makes food, packs it, sends it, hell we can automate a fork so we only have to open our mouth.
Even watching an episode of "How It's Made" would show you that factories aren't as automated as you think. Again, no business is going to automate something when it's more economically feasible to hire a human.
>You are probably talking about the shitty jobs
No, I'm talking about jobs that produce. A farmer, a factory worker, even a fucking real estate developer produce goods which drive the engine of our economies.
>and simple as it may be: people WILL need more money. They always do, they always want to earn more so they can do something else with it.
It doesn't matter when simply giving them basic income in the first place would cause MASSIVE financial strain on the economy.
>>70420794
You guys are mistaken here, we're not talking about people who are socially responsible... those people are intelligent and in most cases have made it just fine in this world and dont need muh handouts. We're talking about the scumbags that won't do a goddamn thing but collect...
>>70421327
>depending on others
No no wagie. I am depending on what makes western civilization great thats why i am defending it.
Are you telling me we should get rid of western civilization? Are you a cultural marxist or shitskin.
Please leave.
>>70421190
So you're telling me most people prefer to see things destroyed rather than help it flourish?
Also:
>Basic income isnt endless free money.
You'd still have to work to get more shit, depending on your degree you could still end up cleaning the shitter.
>automation for cleaning shitter.
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In the end its mostly about wanting to help out your local shops and stuff, why you'd do this is entirely up to you. I'd do it because of all kinds of reasons, one being pride, the other knowing I'm actually doing it because I want to.
>>70420833
>And you understand that isn't automation, right?
it IS automation. the task of plowing once performed by many people with hand plows can now be performed by a machine that does the same physical motion and replaces the need for several people at once.
>>70419004
Yes.
>Instead, our progressives dismiss job creation and push instead for the supposedly more politically palatable paid vacations, unemployment compensation, and BIG.
>Call me crazy, but I think that Americans are far more likely to line up behind paying people to work, than behind a scheme to pay people for more vacations.
>Especially if a job at a living wage would eliminate the need for most social spending plus huge subsidies and tax breaks already paid to businesses–trying to coax them to create a job or two.
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2014/12/randy-wray-answer-unemployment-problem-jobs.html
>>70421436
>Many people with hand plows
Read a fucking history book. The gap between that and using machines is thousands of years. Have you ever heard of oxen?
>>70419004
Basic income will not lead to any of things, it will just create a class of people who just sit around the house, smoking weed, and playing vidya until they die.
>>70421009
Take it from them.
>>70419004
it would never work in a country full of brown people.
>>70421118
nope, jews may invented fiat money but thats because you goys love to be enslaved and to stupid to understand whats going on in the background. israel have a central banking system that cucks us like the rest of the world.
>>70420547
I completely agree with you. There are scientists who literally study poo (they're called 'coprologists'). NO-ONE put a gun to their head and forced them to study poo.
>>70421400
>>70421103
https://www.google.com/search?q=parasite&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
As long as you can acknowledge that you're a parasite it's fine. Are you honest enough with yourself to say
"I am a parasite; nothing more."
?
>>70421288
No its not and we both know it mate. Imagine the following: You actually like to read books, so after you receive (for example) 3000 bucks a month, way more than you actually need atleast, you could and probably would spend your time at the library if you were into that stuff. You'd probably help out.
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>but I'm lazy and I just want to sit until I die.
Well thats your problem, I'm assuming you'd get bored rather fast. Thats what happened when they tried out basic income in my country. (locally)
>>70419004
Because I'd rather be unequal in wealth than equal in poverty.
>>70421516
this
source: it's what I would do
>>70421308
Actually if you dont know shit and blast through your basic income, you'd still need money and a low skill job. Thus clean shitters.
>automation.
>>70419004
Once everything is automated to the point the world no longer needs cheap labor, this might be a possibility.
But in reality, nobody is going to flip burgers for minimum wage if they're banging out 3k a month.
Unless they pay burger flippers like 50 bucks an hour.
and then your happy meals be like 100 bucks
And then your wifes kid drains your bank account just off his lunches.
>>70419004
Think you got the wrong image, OP.
The second people have enough money to live comfortably, they want to live extravagantly.
Even millionaires have financial struggle when they live like billionaires.
>>70421403
We're talking about murica here buddy.. I do my fair share of local stimulation, but you obviously don't live here and don't know how fuckin retarded some of these people are.
let me fix your graphic for you
>reasons to work after basic income: none
>>70421400
>I am depending on what makes western civilization great
Welfare isn't what makes western civilization great, you parasite.
>>70419004
>implying people improve themselves on welfare
I know I wouldn't
>>70419004
>>70419004
Shut up commie scum
>>70419004
economics
>>70421336
Actually they tried it out and most people start a business locally. Decide to cut hair for a living or massage feet. One of the many reasons there are so many barbers in india.
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Idealism? Yeah, probably, thats why I'm all for lowering global population, it just sucks I'm probably one of the dead.
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Humans usually want to help eachother out, at the very least 'thy neighbour' or your family. Your friends.
If you dont want more out of life than sitting on your ass and wasting breath, thats entirely up to you (one of the reasons I'd be down for euthenasia)
>>70421653
>Once everything is automated
Not happening any time soon.
>>70421051
People have hobbies outside of working. Are you telling me if you didn't work you would just sit on your ass all day? You're more pretentious than people who say if they win the lottery they will keep working.
No one actually likes fucking work, and that has nothing to do with working. People just hate the idea of going somewhere to be a useless cog in a machine, getting yelled at by some other older, more longer-term cog. This is what 90% of jobs are these days.
At the end of the day I would much rather spend my time improving myself physically, mentally and spiritually than working. It also might get back to the fact that in Cucknanada we lose most of our wages to taxes. Don't get me wrong though, I could never be a NEET based on the stigma alone.
>>70421380
We do have an abundance of everything, if we have not we can make it or create something else. Also we can eat other things, harvest other materials and when it comes down to the raw resources there will always be people willing to go down that route. You like metal? Work metal!
You all got b8d so hard, I'm ashamed
>>70421826
Again, you obviously don't know how it is in murica... much different than your non welfare - baby country
>>70421567
>>70421725
Its not your fault that you don't possess the great mind of a NEET
Let me break it down for you in simple terms wagie.
Again .. western societies shift towards a more and more automated economy because we are so advanced.
Soon robots will take away more and more jobs. Jobs humans can't compete in. These type of robots outperform humans in every way.
This automatization has to be heavily taxed and should in return benefit society as a whole because its a good thing after all isnt it?.
The transfer system will enable us to live free lifes to pursue things robots can't do.
Art, Science - things that make us superior to the robot.
NEETs in the current year
already realized this and are on the frontier of this social change.
As with all economic theories and predictions its very broad and the scope is not easy to comprehed for the average joe so i'll give you the benefit of the doubt if you still don't get it and continue to attack my superiority.
>>70421395
You either kill them or force them to adjust, if we are looking for less obvious ways, you could simply give the basic income under certain conditions. (no police record for example)
>>70421907
>I could never be a NEET based on the stigma alone.
GOOD goyim, you wouldn't want Stacy to get upset with you when you can't pay for her designer purse, it's best to keep working and earning more to show her that you have what it takes to get into her slimy lady hole.
>>70421858
There you fucking go
How hard can it be to understand? It's economics 101, when you raise the price you pay your employees, the price of everything goes up. Only bernies and communists(And Dindus) Believe in a gib me dat paradise.
This literally only benefits the lowest classes of working people, but hurts everyone else. Free economic state shouldn't punish those who are successful
All these commies and underage kids should GTFO out 4chan before they get banned
>>70419479
Fuckin this
>>70421555
>witnessed.
Sure, I'll give you that much just because trips, but I assure you its not because we are stupid. That which you see as stupid, I'd call blind idealism. Remember when you last pissed off a goy and a bunch of your people died?
>>70421983
Can't kill them, muh morals
Also can't force them to do anything... MUH morals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUQXZL8h-XI
Wagies will defend this
>>70421558
>not sure if shitposting
Thnx?
>>70419004
It'll obviously greatly reduce labor force participation.
Jobs programs FTW. I'm a leftist but I understand people not wanting to give money to people who aren't working. But there's always some unemployment, and a large number of people who are nigh-unemployable, especially blacks.
Give them jobs and at least some of them will get their shit together and stop being a burden.
>>70419414
Good point.
>tfw life took a turn for the better
>>70419596
Swamper is right
>>70421400
>depending on what makes western civilization great
The Protestant work ethic?
So you are just sponging off those who are more fit to reproduce than you
This retarded communist meme only makes sense if we sterilize people who take basic income.
>>70422027
>This retard thinks we should lower the wage to $1.00 and everything will get better.
Why don't you take the first step to change and request that you be paid less?
>>70422195
>>70421980
its not the 19th century anymore Jimmy
Wake up
>>70421653
I'd be down for that, only because you get to meet people, get free burgers and can walk away from it all whenever you want to.
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>>70421671
Sure, that's true I'll admit, but again there are ways to enforce stupid people to comply. Hell, I'd even argue thats easier than making the smart people see.
>>70422233
I didn't say anything about lowering anyone's paycheck, retard
But I guess if you can't read, that's the least of your problems.
Also, I know now who the basic advocate for GIB ME DAT is now. How about you go to college and get a degree and get a better job? You will have to go back to kindergarden to learn how to read, tho
>>70419256
I'll bite; Suppose the rich actually allow something like this to happen -- what happens when we run out of their money?
>>70421907
>Not doing your hobby as work.
>>70421907
Also, if you get yelled at and you are practically volunteering, why not leave? The boss will learn soon enough when he flips belly up?
>>70422355
See
>>70421858
Humans do not thrive in "easy" conditions. Nature and human biology rewards cunning and hard work.
>>70419004
OP, are you retarded? Value is created by scarcity, if everyone has it, it costs nothing. Would you bother to work for the sum of money you already have? No, only for more. If this stupid idea would be implemented it would cause hyperinflation and economic crash. Stupid socialists.
>>70422092
Morals? You cant have it both ways mate, either you push society towards the next step or watch it fall down the stairs entirely.
I get it, I wouldnt want to force or kill people to see it my way, but I can only convince them to some degree. I can bring a horse to water but cant force it to drink or take a piss.
I can however kill the horse if it isnt capable of doing that which I (or the world) needs, just so we can avoid the problem entirely.
>>70419071
6/10 got some replies.
But yeah, fuck your mother.
>>70419479
>What is automation?
>What is a low skill job?
But why would you need to work if you get-
>If you blast through your monthly money you'd still require more thus should work, but if you are this stupid you WILL end up cleaning shitters.
>shitters are thus cleaned.
>>70422093
>Microsoft sam
DROPPED
final edit - this is the definite version
>>70421510
another good example of automation. thanks, but i don't need your help proving you wrong
>>70422488
When required to survive.
When allowed to live it will flourish.
>>70419004
You're autistic if you think, having people sit around not doing anything is a boon. Look at wellfare recipients. They do nothing, eat all day, watch TV constantly, and have children. It would be Idiocracy in real life.
So no, I don't want basic income unless there is a legitimate unbiased meritocracy for breeding. If you don't contribute, you go extinct.
>>70419004
My rights end where yours begin.
>>70419286
UBI =/= welfare, you welfare nigger.
As you correctly pointed out (in spite of being an obvious nigger) welfare provides a negative incentive to work or study. UBI is the opposite, it comes on top of work or studying.
Result: people have money to spend regardless of occupation and people will be more motivated to study and even innovate because they can fucking afford to.
>>70422860
You're too autistic if you sit around doing nothing when allowed to live the life you've been dreaming.
Why the fuck would you do this? Can you not see how primitive that is?
>>70422778
They'll gravitate towards addiction and enjoyment, something that gives them feel good chemicals like sex and drugs. They won't contribute shit. See present day NEETs who watch anime, hentai and play vidya all day long. And >>70422759
>>70422488
>Humans do not thrive in "easy" conditions.
Eh, people need things to keep occupied, but constant stress is actually really bad for people. It's not like all the poor people in this country doing meth, crack and heroin have easy lives. The stress of being poor and marginalized literally "drives them to drink".
>>70422364
where are you supposing it went?
>>70419004
Leftists are retarded. They spend most of their time learning about Marxism, transmatriarchal basket weaving and "journalism" and have no idea how the real world works and how all the products come into existence.
They believe a "factory" is this place where robots wave their magic robot arms and all their iToys and fucking hipster glasses and all the other useless crap they're buying just spawns into the mortal realm.
Hey faggots, why would the plebs who aren't as "enlightened" as you, in other words the people who actually design and manufacture everything around you, as well as maintain the infrastructure upon which all of it stands, keep doing it if there are no incentives to do so?
Shatters the human spirit.
Entirely anecdotal, but i used to live comfortably off NEETbux and hated every aspect of my life. I've been working for 6 months and have never felt better.
Everyone is different, but i think it would take generations of huge, societal change to shift peoples minds to focus on cyclical self improvement. And the average person would just not bother producing if they didn't need to, and economics is based on production.
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>>70419435
Way to assume the worst, but even if you're correct the whole point of a UBI is NOT to pay you a proper living wage.
It would be an absolute minimal income that would pay for a lifestyle equivalent of living in a student dorm eating ramen all day errday. Rent, utilities and a pack of ramen a day would be just about all it covers.
If you want to actually live, not just survive, you'll need to work. And if you're working anyway you might as well do something that gives you some legitimate feeling of enjoyment/accomplishment/meaning. Nobody wants to flip burgers or live in a student dorm forever.
>>70423044
UBI doens't prevent people from doing work if they want to.
>>70422949
Some, sure.. perhaps even most and if they can why shouldnt they? If they get into trouble they'd need to work regardless, so they're only fucking themselves.
Also: simply killing those that really dont contribute like the hobo druggies destroying everything.
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With that said, I'm quite sure we can figure out a drug everybody likes with zero shit following. No hangover, no nothing.
>>70419004
DUDE FREE SHIT LMAO
WEHHHHHH WHY CANT DA GOBBORMENT JUST PWINT ME 10 MILLION DOLLARS????????
FUCKING CAPITALISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG JUST PRINT ME THE MONEY O M G
>>70423004
>Leftists are retarded. They spend most of their time learning about Marxism,
Retarded. Tons of natural scientists are leftists, as well as huge numbers of working people.
Plus with the decay in "conservatism" it's harder and harder for educated people to join that camp.
>>70423044
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>>70419863
You don't get it. It would have to be only for 18+, for US citizens only (or whatever country) and it would completely replace all forms of welfare.
Chances are a lot of welfare niggers would lose money on it. No more EBT, nothing. And they can't complain anymore either because they're getting the same as literally everyone else.
>>70423260
>TONS OF MUH BILL NYES AND BURGER FLIPPERS
LEFTISTS = GENIUSES CONFIRMED!
>>70420688
Jesus christ this thread is filthy who let these god damn roaches in
>>70423078
'want' is the problem here. You think the Average <100 IQ plebola is going to 'want' to work if all their needs are met by the government? You think Tyrone and Mohammed are going to focus on "Self Actualization and Improvement"? They're just going to spiral downwards, consume television or drugs and be stuck in the same position they were before because their skills are only worth so much money.
Even ignoring problems of taxation and economics, i think it's dangerous. In a post-scarcity, highly automated, or even highly homogeneous country UBI would be feasible, but i just can't see it.
>>70423403
I'm just saying that the victim studies/basket-weaving set is far from the whole of leftists.
But now that you mention it, conservatives these days are fucking retarded.
>>70423260
>Tons of natural scientists are leftists
I wouldn't be surprised, since "science" as referred to today is a mish mash of legit fields mixed with social "sciences", ethnic "studies" and all that other junk that produces nothing of value and stays afloat by securing government funds.
I wouldn't call what these people do science, or work. They're all welfare cases as far as I'm concerned, and now they're begging for even more handouts. Fuck them.
>>70423260
That's because they typically either rely on state grants to do research or teach in public universities.
Petroleum engineers(you know, the type of field that actually has lucrative private sector careers), for example are overwhelmingly conservative.
>>70422557
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, but a large portion of murica doesn't.
>>70419004
>MEME MAGIC
Neet memes are becoming reality!
The fundamental problem with UPB is that it assumes that by giving lazy people more money it will make them less lazy.
>>70419510
Even with automaton even more jobs are being created because of it.
A lot of people seem to think that automaton is some sort of deus ex that would lead to a majority of people not needing to work any more.
>>70423617
I specifically said NATURAL scientists, Oleg. In the US, NATURAL scientists are 55% democrat and 6% (not a typo) republican.
>>70423622
There's certainly that aspect of it, but more has to do with the fact that conservatives are a bunch of creationist global-warming deniers, and that conservative economic "policy" is meme-tier nonsense.>>70423622
>>70419152
>Without some measure to keep the population from exploding it will not work.
You don't know anything. There is zero population growth in the US. All of it comes from immigration. Developed countries cultivate K selection where undeveloped ones cultivate R selection, mostly to ensure at least some of the offspring survive until adulthood but also for lack of access to birth control
https://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_shows_the_best_stats_you_ve_ever_seen?language=en
>>70420335
Are you fucking retard? Tractors were the first wave of automation. Fields that needed 50 hard working man to plough only needed 1 man with a tractor. Go learn a little history about industrial revolution
>>70423260
Correction: They are self-identified scientists.
The vast majority of scientists do not adhere to the scientific method and thus are not scientists.
>>70422949
Precisely
Have a (You)
Healthy Human Being Needs to work for his enjoyment or to put food on his table. When you are successful enough, then you can get high or become a playboy.
Most of these bernouts just want a higher raise for their mcdonalds jobs so that they can afford more weed and fade away like the garbage they are
>>70419004
>Is there even a single non-retarded argument against universal basic income?
Karl Marx invented the concept of universial basic income to deal with a world where jobs have been taken over by machines. It is literally marxism. And that is a reason to be against it that many consider non-retarded.
>>70420794
This would only work if they got like $700-800 a month. Basically rent + utilities and a pack of ramen a day.
The lazy ones will flip burgers for a few hours a week to fund a comfortable life, the motivated ones will do meaningful work while having enough time left to help out in their communities.
Ignore the retards equating UBI to muh welfare. Welfare literally provides a negative incentive to work so people make due with less. I've known people on welfare and I can honestly say they would love to work part-time doing ANYTHING, but if they do they'll lose their welfare. So they do nothing instead.
>>70419004
Seeing how hard it is to tax income and fund welfare within a national state I doubt it will ever happen on an universal scale.
It will also probably make people passive as fuck. Saying this as a person who has been living off student allowance and grant money for 5-6 years. No need to work after an occasional summer job, but now that the allowance has been cut off and it is being reduced by our government, I and other students are in dire need of a job.
>>70419071
edgy/10
>this whole thread
>>70419004
Arithmetic.
>>70419507
and what's wrong with that exactly? 80% of jobs are going to be automated anyway
>>70423908
>conservative economic "policy" is meme-tier nonsense
As oppose to communism huh, try actually living in commie state for few years so all your neo liberal bullshit will disappear from your mind faster than average swede blow Somalian refugee.
You're image literally answers your question.
>>70422077
>Remember when you last pissed off a goy and a bunch of your people died?
Remember? They built an entire religion around it
>>70424140
you sure remember communist times, anon
>>70421308
>what are mexicans for
UBI is for citizens only. Either people sweep streets part-time for extra money (pay is quite good, even now actually) or we let the shitskins handle it.
>>70423794
t. mehmet
>>70420726
Other robots.
>>70423386
rofl
you obviously don't understand US politics. There is no way your fairy tale is possible here.
>>70424140
>economic policy is either laissez-faire or islamic gommunism
Thanks for proving my point
>>70424207
I don't but every person I know who does is either conservative or live in debt because basic economics are too hard for them.
>>70424376
Really?
Half your fucking capital got blown up by muslims...
>>70419004
yes. to give someone money you need to steal them from someone first
>>70421666
>Even millionaires have financial struggle when they live like billionaires.
You mean people who live beyond their means find it difficult to do? Wow, I didn't see that coming. What you going to shock us with next, water being wet?
>>70423386
Yeah, its time to shut up now.
>>70419004
That's dumb who would get enjoyment or self improvement from Jobs like cleaning out septic tanks or garbage collection
>>70421571
There's the social pressure too. If you're getting money from your community you will either instinctively want to give back, or at least you'll be somewhat shunned when everyone realizes you're THAT guy who does fucking nothing. Even helping keep your street clean would be something.
>>70420726
>Who's going to till the field?
>The slaves
>>70424490
we aren't manned enough to hold back the german invasion :DDDDDDDDDD
>>70424549
Dirty work is honest work. Doing something like that for a few hours a day, as long as it paid a decent wage, wouldn't be too bad.
>>70424506
Correct dipshit, and your local green grocer who hopes to open a second store is no different.
Normies are no different, and you know it.
>>70419256
>this thread is for non-retarded arguments only.
Why is your post here then.
>>70423908
Or maybe they were indoctrinated by leftist academia while they were in school? It's not hard to be a natural scientist (as someone who studied rocket science) any fucko can do it with enough money. I don't inherently trust their opinion on anything more than anyone else.
Also your whole argument is an appeal to authority and credentialism, which is telling in and of itself.
>>70423908
>he thinks democrats aren't meme tier
detroit is best :DD and democrats :DDD
>>70419004
>take away reason to work
what could possibly go wrong
>>70419004
Because this isn't Star Trek and we're not a post-scarcity society.
>>70423918
Using that logic McJobs are already automated.
Do you honestly think "automation" in the 1880s implies the same thing today?
:^)
>>70419004
mate if u gave everyone enough for rent and food
most people are just going to spend their time fucking and watching tv
>>70419004
Where does the money/wealth come from?
>>70424490
Also I don't recall Antwerp getting blown up by muslims...
>>70424174
kek, have a picture.
>>70424490
Thats like the third time or something germans invaded belgium?
>>70419004
I live with neetbux. Here is my stance:
Self improve, sometimes
Enjoyment, lol no, this is misery, I don't feel much self worth
Meet people, never, unless meeting people online on a video game counts
Help community, never
>>70424760
Actually it was a response to anon saying that all leftists are victim studies majors, so the responses to my response have basically been shifting the goalposts.
>>70424781
The democrats in the 70's were dumb. The republicans now are dumber.
>>70424581
amen brother. Glad us coolgates have something left of what made us great: logic.
Yeah I'd only be $4,500,000,000,000
Just tax that from the rich lol they totally won't leave the country XD
And college should just be free rich people can pay for it for me, and healthcare im 26 and just found out im liable for myself?!?! Wtf is that about amirite
>>70425147
indeed
>>70419004
Threat of starvation is a pretty good way of getting human beans to work together, since most of them have a tendency to be shitheads in some form or another.
>>70425273
>giving them a choice.
>>70423059
>it would be an absolute minimum income
>retards actually believe this
They'll constantly increase the amount just to stop people rioting around the clock over muh injustices. "Universal basic income" will turn into "Universal living income" soon enough
>>70419004
T-THE FREE MARKET!!!!
I MUST DEFEND MY BILLIONAIRE OVERLORDS!!!!!!
