I am a former Catholic. I have to ask the conservative Catholics on this board, how can you still justify being a Catholic when this guy is the Pope?
>>70402776
I can't. Catholic Church is whore of babylon tier.
>>70402776
I really like little boys.
>>70402776
Untill he makes an infallible decree it doesn't really matter.
>>70402776
I'll outlive this Pope but I won't outlive God.
Because he is the leader of the church established by God himself.
>>70402986
Not with that attitude you won't.
Is there some kind of conspiracy going on in the church?
Why did the conservative Ratzinger 'retire' as Pope? was he blackmailed or something?
Right after he was selected, we get this marxist asshat.
How can that be?
>>70402776
The only hope for Catholicism is if someone blows this mother fucker up.
The best thing Catholicism had going for itself is this man.....sigh I already miss him.
>>70403055
forgot pic
:^(
>>70402776
I stopped liking him when he did little to nothing (barely even spoke out) against the genocide of Christians in the Middle East. I am an Arab Catholic so this is really important and personal to me. He could have organized some sort of leadership to prevent what is happening in the Middle East, but he is too busy accepting gays and washing immigrant feet, I guess.
>pope leads by example to teach us to love our enemy
>HURRR WHY IS THIS POPE SO LIBERAL
Bring this man back damn it!
He was a NAZI
>>70403170
Did he die or something?
>>70403157
>pope leads by example to teach us to love our enemy
So we should let terrorists come in and blow people up? Fuck you faggot. you disgusting literal retard.
FYI My Pic = Best Pope
Its time to #MakeCatholicismGreatAgain
>>70403112
why would the pope save schismatics? we've had this discussion countless times throughout history and the east keeps refusing to mend the relationship
>>70403035
Not kidding, I think the current pope is actually a jew fucking with and laughing at us goys.
>>70403233
Kikes overthrew him for the faggot that OP posted.
>>70402776
It's not like I'm going to stop being catholic because of one shitty pope. Also, he's been better for the church's image than the last pope.
I disagree with 99% of what he says, he's no John Paul II but he's still the pope.
If you seriously leave the religion because you are too much of a faggot to deal with the current pope you where already a lost cause to begin with.
>>70402776
If that moron won't stop i will just become a sedevacantist. Currently I just hope he'l die soon.
>>70402776
He's not the pope of Catholics, he's the pope cultural marxist.
>>70403249
>not believing God is in control of everything
Our weakness is due to our lack of faith, don't blame the pope. We would be immeasurably strong if everyone followed the faith.
Loving our enemies looks stupid to you now because our lack of faith has made our society weak looking in comparison to the heathens.
This is the face of the modern catholic church.
Fuck them.
This isn't being humble, it's being a crawling, sniveling, dickless, status chasing pussy.
>>70402776
I think that the media is consistently misreporting him in a manner that makes him appear like a progressive.
His main focus is on Church social programs.
Not on political or ideological threats like JP2 was.
>>70403330
The Kikes overthrew Benedict! Those faggots will pay on the day of reckoning.
>>70403157
Loving your enemy isn't rolling over to get ducked by Muhammad. It's empathizing with poor brainwashed Muhammad as you cut him down along with his brother Achmed because they're trying to kill you.
In other breaking news for heathens, turning the other cheek is about insults, and taking the Lord's name in vain is about twisting his words and invoking his authority to push your personal agenda.
This is the best Pope of my lifetime (John Paul II, Benedict).
Shut the fuck up with the trashy bait.
>>70402776
This pope is a Marxist Heretic.
Bring back the true Pope!
>>70403368
>This is the face of the modern catholic church.
>modern catholic church.
>modern
>>70403368
More, look at this shit.
>>70403368
Go cry some more, faggot.
Pope Francis is a GOAT Pope. I don't expect some Foster's chugger to understand.
>>70402776
I just hope it backfires real hard and the next Pope becomes Urban IX so we can retake Constantinopla.
>>70403574
Sure he took a few poz loads after this one was taken.
>>70403579
You have to be a literal shill. No true Catholic supports this man.
This heretic needs to burn at the stake.
>>70403580
That city no longer exists. Id rather see Istanbul nuked.
>>70403579
He only appeals to people who are either
>Catholics who are mindless followers of authority
>Non-christains who want somebody to appeal to them.
>5th columnists who want somebody weak in charge
There are no other options.
>>70403425
God is in control of everything, if you think He would let us perish by following His will, you simply have no faith.
And agian, I repeat, we are weak as a society because we fell from His will. Our weakness is our own fault, we cannot use it as excuse to ignore God's commandments.
Might I remind you that birth control is a mortal sin, and that sex that doesnt end in possible procreation is a mortal sin?
The rapefugee crisis is the policy result of our faithless society, not a Catholic society. A true catholic society would let in the real refugees while administering strict rule of law to protect us from subverters.
>>70402776
john paul 2 created a precedent to allow cuck popes in the religion. the "leaders" of Catholicism are lost. we revelations now
>>70403364
kill yourself
>>70403666
A true catholic would support the pope. He's the spiritual leader of the fucking church you dope.
I don't like a lot of what he says but I have respect for his position and refuse to disrespect him. He's old, he wont live forever.
>>70403681
Jerusalem then.
Two birds one crusade.
>>70402776
My answer
Who am I to judge.
>>70402776
desu volt, senpai
>>70403804
If you are protestant, whatever. If you are Catholic, you should go to confession.
>>70403765
People make false correlations with the controversial actions of Popes and the decay of faith in our people.
>>70403283
I've had this thought before. He might be the antipope.
>>70403742
Again, you are straight-up taking the Lord's name in vain. Stop that, fulfilling the Mosaic Covenant didn't erase the Commandments.
>>70403830
A true Catholic would not be a sheep and bow to a man because a bunch of old senile men elected him. Your god gave you free will, use it.
>>70403666
666, fucking evil as hell. God sees your words.
>>70403942
Wow, you really don't understand anything. You cannot take the Lord's name in vain by professing His Truth.
>>70403977
Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation my friend.
Jesus Christ is the Lord.
>>70403666
confirmed for antichrist shill
Catholics are heretics who listen to a man on earth act in the name of Christ.
No thank you
>belonging to a church
Non-affiliated or nothing, senpai.
>>70403904
the faith has always decayed. especially in this liberal hellhole we live in. however the pope is supposed to espouse the beliefs of jesus, not let us be overrun by our enemies. we are constantly being shown that the pope now is bending over for atheists, muslims, fags, and you name it. we are being attacked. we need to shore up our borders otherwise we're dead. christianity will die if we allow this stupid shit to continue.
>>70402776
Believe it or not, we've had worse popes. Any scholar of the church knows that church survives regardless.
Beyond that, the church is mostly a charitable organization now. It has little to no political clout, and most "faithful"are too busy to give a shit beyond giving the church their lip service and being sinners.
>>70404173
Our battle is not with the sword, its not even physical .
Christianity is supposed to be the hard path nigga, not hurt durr let's start offing Muslims and lynching niggers because we're being "overrun"
>>70404028
Continue your wicked ways, then. Hide behind your intentionally flawed interpretation of scripture to push your personal agenda on others. I cannot judge you, if I am mistaken and you are actually being sincere you may receive mercy in the afterlife.
But I strongly suspect you are a knowingly deceiver or some variety of Protestant.
>>70402776
We didn't vote him in
>>70404410
>lets let our beliefs die because muh hard path
when your beliefs are being trampled on and destroyed you dont just sit there and watch. look at the fucking crusades. jesus was compassionate but he sure as hell told the fuckers who didnt believe who he was. he had a shit fit over the temple because of the jews peddling bullshit. you can turn the other cheek only so long before you become a punching bag
>>70402776
You don't give up on the Church because the pope is a fag. That's like renouncing your citizenship because you don't like your leader. it's a sign of disloyalty. Just find a conservative church. Preferably a SSPX or sedevacatist one. Most conservative Priests think Francis is a naive fool, but until he makes an infallible decree, he hasn't actually affected anything.
>>70403539
Foopt washing when done right is a sign of dignified humility.
>>70403368
This is a PR stunt. And even mainstream Catholics are pointing out how stupid it was.
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2016/the-problem-with-multicultural-foot-washing
>>70404547
>Jesus Christ LITERALLY could've just said nah bruh I'm not gonna die and suffer fuck this I have the power to turn every smelly Jew into a column of salt
It's a very narrow path that few will take and even fewer will complete.
Reminder that American Catholics are overwhelmingly voting for Trump.
http://thefederalist.com/2016/03/08/why-do-catholics-support-an-unrepentant-strip-club-owner-for-president/
>>70404725
>equating Jesus' sacrifice to His religion being destroyed
>>70404173
>christianity will die
This right here is why God gave us Francis and not another Urban II.
You have no faith He will protect us. He wants you to fear for your existence, maybe then you will learn how powerless you are.
>>70404718
You are making rash judgement. You are not Jesus, you cannot see the hearts of men. This is a sin.
You can be a Catholic and oppose the pope when he is in error.
http://www.barnhardt.biz/
You became an atheist because of the current pope ? Then clearly you never truly believed.
Or did you just go with the traditionalists ? If so, there is nothing wrong with that. I've been tempted to do the same.
The current pope is either too much of an idealist, or he thinks that by acting this way he will bring more people to the Church. Either way, he's not going to be pope forever. Didn't he say he would prefer to resign afyer five years or something like that ? After him we'll get an nice European, conservative pope.
>>70404410
Are you implying we are not being overrun ?
>>70404889
we have the power to turn away from the world we live in. we live in a world dominated by satan.
t. corinthians 4:4
>>70402776
I'm not even a catholic or religious in general but this pope is a fucking joke. The pope was always there to remind people of their traditional christian values, condem the shit that happens in middle east where sandniggers are killing christians in the name of allah. And this guy does none of that, he is bought by soros. I guarantee you.
>>70404854
Because Jesus totally cared more about religion and culture than his message of love, compassion, and faith
Yeah the greatest nations in the world were built using christianity® but those days are over
>>70404942
It's obviously a PR stunt. Like everything else Francis has done to show off his phony humility.
>>70405051
so whats your solution? just let the world die?
>>70404983
No, the demons only do what God allows them to do. And no, WE have no power, only through God's grace can we succeed in turning away from this world. However, only the elect, that is we of good will, will ultimately seek His grace so we may renounce these things of the world that displease Him.
Pope Francis is so dickless he'd probably let an assassin murder him because "hey they might make a movie one day about how cool and humble I am".
>>70404978
>the worst enemy of the church isn't internal
The fuck are you on m8? You're literally having the same mentality as a Muslim
Preserving "culture" and religion> love and compassion of our savior
Oh wait a frenchie, how u doing Mutumbo
>>70405054
If you can't see your own hypocrisy in rash judgement, I waste no more time.
>>70405089
The bible says this world belongs to Lucifer and we are merely the light of the world
Why not show people how awesome their life would be if they were in complete harmony with themselves and each other through the love of Jesus Christ
it gets harder and harder every day desu senpai
but protestants are wrong so are the orthodox, so basically God has abandoned us all.
>>70405051
Jesus does not expect his followers to make his sacrifice. Are you some kind of Applewhite remnant?
>>70403035
Listen to Father Malachi Martin's interview on Coast to Coast from the 90s. It gets into some spooky shit that he was SPOT on about.
Expect a conservative conspirator uprising in the vatican soon and possibly the murder of pope francis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubLQzBZi5G8&nohtml5=False
This is one of them, but I recommend all of them. He mainly talks about being an exorcist for the church, but it gets pretty spooky when he talks about a lot of the conspiracies he witnessed and some satanic practices by the jesuits.
nigga just has one lung, and he's 79 years old. He has 5 years, tops.
>>70405089
If you think we are in control, you have no faith.
Free will refers to our free will to love God or hate Him. Not a drop of rain falls without God willing it. Not a demon sows chaos without God willing it. You think he would allow His church to perish?
If you want to save your own country and people above all else, then don't be Christian.
>>70402776
>, how can you still justify being a Catholic when this guy is the Pope?
I stand true to catholicism itself not the pope. But yes this guy is a joke and an enemy to the church.
>>70403904
>If you are Catholic, you should go to confession.
Yeah, I should. I first have to find a Church that isn't full-blown communist, though. And since I'm currently living in Cologne, that is fucking hard.
While he's certainly more liberal than I'm comfortable with, he is God's representative on earth.
It's not for me to question the will of God. I can question the pope, since all the wishy-washy liberal bullshit he's spouted has been just his opinion, that of a fallible man, and not church dogma laid down ex cathedra
>>70402776
This pope is a disgrace
>>70405051
>those days are over
Well, I'm a reactionary. I'm trying to do my part to bring these days back.
>>70405311
we are the stewards of this world
>>70405462
no, we must refuse those who decide to destroy the Word. those that want to destroy the Word of God. we cant achieve perfection without God, why would we refuse his truths
>>70405416
Can't watch it. Synopsis?
>>70405416
anons please listen this
>People actually want Ratzinger back,one of the greatest pedofilia enablers and cover ups of all time.
WTF? /POL/?
>>70405772
wtf i hate dominican republic now...
>>70405772
Better than being a pedo AND a fag AND a gommie enabler
>>70405538
You should be able to find a decent traditional priest who isnt a full blown heretic.
If not, pray the rosary every day (which you should strive to do anyway) and make a spiritual confession to God with full contrition for your sins.
There is even a story about a peasant who couldn't go to church, and he would make spiritual communion with the Lord, kneeling down, closing his eyes, and opening his mouth. One day he fealt something placed in his mouth, he took it out and looked to see a communion wafer, and of course he placed it back and ate the Body of Christ.
The point is, God will not turn away people due to physical limitations.
>>70405462
>Christianity must be real-world-logically self-destructive because God will just take care of it for us.
This is total Luciferianism.
Well any catholic who think of the pope as a passed down disciple of peter cant comprehend basic scripture. Plus i hear these popes can make miracles if they can do so why doesnt the pope use his miracle powers to fix the global warming hoax that goes against the words of god.
>>70405635
He basically outs the jesuits (he was a jesuit and righthand to 2 popes) for their satanic practices. He talks about some of the exorcisms he performed and also all the pedophile scandals, but most importantly he talks about the three secrets of fatima.
And that the third secret the catholic church revealed isn't the true one. The true secret reveals how the catholic church will be destroyed, but they are covering it up. He knows the true secret, but he took an oath to God when he was a jesuit that he wouldn't tell a soul.
Interestingly he also talked about how they would elect a super liberal pope who will change the foundations of the church (this interview was done in the 90s mind you). He died a few years ago in a very strange way that implies he was executed.
>>70402776
he is the best pope ever.
1. from argentina (my hermano).
2. he is happy as buddhist monk.
3. this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szKPipLRFsM&nohtml5=False
>>70405615
Of course we must, but how good conquers evil in the big picture is up to God, not us to decide.
Loving your enemy means exactly what it seems. And the Pope, despite anyone's exaggerations, is not suggesting we suicide out of love, for then we would have no love for ourselves, which is demanded of us (true love, not puffed up arrogance of self.)
>>70402776
We've had bad popes before, anon.
>>70405772
That was John Paul II, Ratzinger was more of an academic and was largely responsible for church doctrine during his time as a cardinal. As pope he lacked the charisma necessary to reign in the pedophilia and degeneracy (there are a lot of faggot priests in the church).
>>70405865
I suppose you don't even believe in creation, or the flood, or any of the great miracles? Does this defy your "real" world logic? How can you be saved?
>>70406002
the pope is allowing atheists, gays, muslims to be in our belief system. he is actively defending those that want to destroy our way of life. he literally said an atheist will go to heaven as long as that atheist is "good". im sick of this shit. why should heretics belong in the prefection that others work for? its teaching people that you dont need God to be in heaven, which is absolutely heretical
>>70402776
That's the same as no longer wanting to be an America because Obama sucks.
>>70403539
>Jesus washed the feet of his desciples, not the Romans, Pharisees, or whatever sand pagans were around.
>Bergoglio washes and kisses the feet of Muslims who at one level or more want Christendom wiped out.
And if you think this communist doesn't hate Christendom, here's him allying with Sanders:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35999269
>>70406105
dude god forgives anything. we just need to repent and belive in our last breath. meanwhile pic related.
>>70406230
so rebbit is hell? makes sense
>>70405837
I dont like Francis,he is a hyprocite and a commie but Ratzinger was destroying the church credibilty,thanks to him prostestantism and atheism became popular than ever,you can see the effects of that on the internet with all the fat fedora tiping fags increasing their numbers during the secon half of the 2000s.
AT LEAST Francis is keeping some people from changing religion or becoming atheist.
>>70405844
So,the point is saving Catholism or just hating Francis because is a leftist? Ratzinger would hve destroy the church at the same rate or even faster.
>>70406051
Ok fine,Ratzinger was the second biggest then.
>>70406230
You're a modernist, plain and simple. Or a protestant, but I assumed modernist Catholic because you are from Brazil.
Yes, its possible to be saved on your death bed, but this is exceedingly rare. If one chose not to love God his whole life, hes unlikely to repent with full contrition at death, or to truly believe, and thus rendering a sneaky end of death baptism by his immediate mortal sin of disbelief.
>>70402776
>leaving Catholicism because of a pope you don't support
Do you even grasp the religion you're in?
>>70406217
>Love thy enemies as thyselves
You cannot rationalize this because you are in the wrong. There is literally nothing wrong with what he did.
>>70406389
*rendering it ineffective
>>70402776
Yes. Just follow Jesus Christ before all.
>>70402776
He's a heretic.
Because the vatican recognizes that science and religion should not be at war. God created the laws of science and anything discovered through it was meant by god for us to discover
I go to a sedevacantist parish when I can, and to an FSSP one when I can't get to the other.
The Pope is either a jew or fully in their grip. I think the only answer is to find the least-worst church and go there.
I just got back from Eastern Europe. Anybody who thinks Orthodox is some idealized version of Catholocism is dreaming.
>>70406217
you assholes literally believe that if you get stabbed by someone you should turn the other cheek. jesus wasnt talking about those people, HE was talking about subversion
>>70406537
In terms of climate change? Ill accept that. In terms of creation? Absolutely not.
>>70406105
>Crusades happened
>Anyone who isn't suicidally cucked is Modernist
I don't think you have a leg to stand on. Common sense is a sin in your view, but it used to be we fought the enemies of the faith instead of inviting them to rape our daughters.
>>70406389
>but this is exceedingly rare.
is that so? from 0 to 100% whats the chance?
>>70402776
>tfw se las meti entera
based francisco
>>70406667
Don't be a fool. A man of bad will 99% of his life doesnt magically change because hes about to die.
>>70406599
Why not? Just because we have discovered that we were not literally just plopped here on the earth, that slowly we developed from the dust of the cosmos is a truly miraculous discovery, and it is quite the honor that god believes we are ready for this information, so we should not fight over it. Evolution IS a miracle.
>>70406716
i take my chances, and look if i belive i can be saved at 1% chance i belive in miracles. thats faith. then you can add a 30% bonus.
Explain to me why I should hate the Pope.
>>70406618
They were faithful and deserved a righteous and strong Pope. We are faithless and deserve misery to rekindle the faith, hence a pope who cares so much about loving our enemies that he embarrasses all the puffed up Catholics by washing a muzzies feet.
Lads, what are the real odds of a pope calling another crusade in these modern days? And who would have to answer the call?
>>70406775
No, macro evolution is literally impossible, and yet again we have a faithless coward denying that God Almighty can create the world however he says he did. God could say he shat the world out and it would be possible and true.
>>70406105
Do you believe the Earth is 6000 years old too ?
Is there even a Catholic creationist movement ? Literal interpretation of the Bible is usually something only crazy protestants do.
>>70406825
Good luck tricking God. He'll probably strike you down in a car accident far before your flawless plan of tricking the Almighty Creator of the universe and Master of our salvation on your death bed.
>>70406836
Ah, you were being ironic all along. Carry on.
I don't need this shit every night, though.
>>70406913
Not everything in the bible is meant to be taken literally. It is the word of god, as interpreted and transcribed by men. Men are not perfect, only god is perfect.
>>70402776
I'd like to see what Pastor Anderson would say to the pope if they were in the same room for 5 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT36w50wr10
>>70406988
You have no business being Christian if you do not believe in creation.
I do not speculate about the number of years.
>>70406988
hey dude why are you wasting your English with this burger? they belive dinos used to live in peace with humans. not even roman priests belive in this literal bible bullshit. some of them even study quantum physics. do us all a favor french do what you do best. create cool stuff to amaze us. dont waste time with burgers.
>>70407069
The only one being deceitful here is you to your own conscious.
>>70402892
Please, please tell me you are not a real person who actually believes that shit
>>70407125
You can believe in evolution through creation.
Besides, we have seen evolution in our lifetime, why do you have to get a flu shot every year? Oh right, you don't believe in vaccines either...
>>70407051
its not a trick its a divine loophole in his scriptures. what can i do if he never added more content to it? Not a single revision since 0 AC.
>>70407070
So then you are calling the Truth the father of lies?
Foolish man, for all you know the world is created one year from now and this is a false memory! You know nothing. The Almighty in God Almighty is not figurative.
Greatest catholic band ever.
AMEN AND ATTACK!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmqgRAXygDg
>>70407247
Yawn, I said macro evolution, not micro evolution, which is little more than dog breeding.
>>70407252
You forgot the part where you actually have to believe it in your heart, and that youre trying to trick the guy who literally knew everything you would ever feel the moment he created you.
>>70407112
i love this guy he is /pol/ pastor
>>70402776
Cause he is only the poop for a little while. His heart is in the right place, but he's using it incorrectly.
>>70403109
Excuse me but that's the wrong pope.
You're talking about the one before this one.
>>70407274
>so then are you calling the Truth the father of lies?
No, that is your own warped speculation you wrought from my words. I am saying that our form of communication is far from perfect. Even in an every day conversation, like our own, someone can misinterpret your words.
>>70407168
My mistake, you think the end is upon us. I can respect that, but disagree with the Mormon outlook.
Carry on, but I beg you to stop your personal campaign of theological corruption. It's weird and grossly misinformed.
I don't have to justify faith. I believe in Saint Peter, and I think his seat is held by a usurper.
It's a test of faith from God.
>>70407436
kek I went to his church in Tempe last summer and it was great. Will go again this year. We need more preachers like him
>>70403765
Why?
Because he forgave the man that tried to kill him?
Ali baba was in jail, he saw the error of his ways and quite apparently wasn't trying to kill the pope anymore. Forgiving him then was an act of Christian love.
Licking the feet of Muslims that actively want to kill you is another thing entirely.
>>70402776
Can you guys please bring back the old pope? pls?
I am orthodox christian btw but i can't stand seeing more than half of christians be cucks. I got used to Protestans being litle bitches and fag enablers but catholics well that is disapointing :^(
>>70407136
leviathan was a dragon/dinosaur in the bible and can not be seen as peacefull
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n56EHkM7tKs
You're saying He lied about how he created the world. Rethink your view. Believing in the truth of creation does not hamper ones ability to perform scientific research and engineering. You're literally giving in to peer pressure because you want to be one of the cool kids, aka you dont want to walk the narrow path.
>>70402776
>how can you still justify being a Catholic when this guy is the Pope?
Sedevacantism
>>70407570
God is in charge of the end, fool. Stop pretending you have any power over it. Even if you become King of the universe and lead Christianity to the four corners of the Earth, you did nothing. God did everything. Be humble.
>>70407715
in america the fag enablers are all catholics. You rarely see any catholic speaking out against sodomites, it's always protestants that do.
>>70407363
why did he created me if im doing a mistake ? if im commiting a mistake, then it was planned an i was suposed to be evil, therefore god created me evil on purpose, if thats the case god is not all love. its also hatred. since i know thats not possible and god is love. then im a good person therefore if im going to repent and accept god im my dying bed i will go to heaven and get im 27 virgin wifus and dive in my honey pool.
>>70403830
>implying that there werent bad popes
>implying that an old senile man ellected by a bunch of other old senile men is the messanger of god
The title of pope is just that,a title,god didnt ellect him,the people didnt ellect him,he was put into power by other people to use him,this is why orthodox christianity is the best,we dont have to bow down to some old lunatic
>>70403666
satanic triples confirm poster is a soothsayer working for the devil, don't listen to him if you want to go to heaven
>>70407890
yeah but you still call a senile old man father and confess your sins to him
>>70407858
Yes, the infinite God who is all knowing and all powerful has just now been encompassed by your little span of human reasoning. I am amazed, time to renounce everything I once held to be true.
>>70402776
I sometimes get the urge to leave the Church, but then I remember that this is exactly what Francis would want, one less believeing Catholic in the Church, and I'm not going to give him that
>>70402776
because I can into reading. Literally. Go into either Laudato si or Amoris Laetitas and fucking read it.
>>70407856
Really i have heard that baptist church is really fighting for tradicional morals. It was complete opposite in Europe. But now... well now only Eastern Orthodox church in europe have stayed uncucked. I am not praising my church, hardly to say it is just truth.
>>70407926
I dont
Im not catholic
To me the pope is just an old man with too much power on his hands
>>70407974
when you think about god the heavy lifting itself makes your IQ go over 9000. we cant comprehend god but we can create nice logical traps in his name.
>>70406051
Nigger you don't talk shit about Januś Piotruś II
>>70403368
“We can speak today of Arab invasion. It is a social fact,” the pontiff said, according to extracts from his address earlier this week which were published by the Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano on Thursday.
He then added: “How many invasions has Europe experienced in the course of its history! But it’s always been able to overcome them and move forward, finding itself complimented and improved by the cultural exchange they brought about.”
https://www.rt.com/news/334590-pope-francis-arab-invasion/
>>70408046
Everything I've read online about the orthodox church tells me that Orthodox do indeed confess to a priest. Maybe it's different where you live, but I haven't found a single statement from an orthodox website saying otherwise.
>>70402776
he is the false propeth, the end is nigh my friend, and you are on the wrong side of it.
>>70407819
Luciferianism in a nutshell. Seriously, free will is not just about belief or disbelief. We should be defending faith, family, community, and country in that order. Defending heretics and heathens falls arguably under the last priority, only within the bounds of Modernist Western values (that you have personally argued against), and the argument is weak.
You take the stance of a Buddhist trying to dismantle Christianity more than you take any real Christian stance.
Stop taking the Lord's name in vain, I beg you. It's bad for the soul.
>>70407858
This isnt islam huehue monkey
>>70406425
You can be Christian and not Catholic retard. Do you even grasp Christianity? Most sects were made because of people not wanting to listen to the Pope.
>yeh turnem cheeks boutta poz up your neggy boihole
He's not the Pope, He's a anti-pope.
>This is for all you atheist
This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: 2That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
>>70408102
>improved by the cultural exchange they brought about.
>mfw
>>70408129
I have never in my life confessed to a priest
But anyways,most priests are in their early 40,so they arent really old decrepite men
>>70407856
>in america the fag enablers are all catholics.
>>70406210
Of course an atheist will go to heaven. I've met atheists that were better human beings than some of the Christians. Not believing in God is a sin, obviously, but rejecting the word of God is worse.
You can follow the teachings of God without actually believing.
Sure he would probably go to purgatory first but there is no reason why he wouldn't be allowed in heaven eventually
>>70407858
It does not matter if there is god or not. It does not matter if we will be rewarded with heaven or punished with hell. What matters is that we need God. We need something to not only base our morals but to believe in. Religious countries we almost always degeneracy free. We are sinking... lower and lower... Here on /pol/ we are just being aware of our society going down hill, others are uninterested or afraid of truth. We need hierarhy, we need god, we need strong rulers. Only then we will have economicaly and culturaly flourishing society. Just remember you don't have to believe in god but you should be culturally christian. Since you dont believe in anything there is nothing to lose helping restore our long lost morals.
>>70407856
>>70408286
>in america the fag enablers are all catholics.
>>70408286
kek
>Catholics, Lutherans and Presbyterians share many beliefs
Just an offshoot of the catholic church.
It's the difference between the pilgrims and the puritans. Puritans wanted to purify the catholic church while the pilgrims wanted to separate themselves from it.
And as we see all denominations coming from the puritans are all filthy corrupt sodomite fest churches.
>>70407856
>>70408286
>>70408311
>>70408234
>tfw we got our national dish from the muslim turks
>tfw we got kebab from the muslim turks
>tfw they did actually influence our culture
>>70408038
Orthodox Church is good in the sense that it is a strong reference point in this piss sea of modernity hiding traditional Catholicism. I almost converted but instead my delving into Orthodoxy gave me a stepping stone to learning about traditional Catholicism.
I largely discovered that Orthodox were hypocrites and resort to constant redirection in arguments when you prove they are wrong about early disputes in the church. Not trying to start an argument on that, though, just my personal account.
I do hope the Lord has mercy on those Orthodox who don't willfully deny truth and are mislead by their Patriarchs, so many good people.
>>70408164
and you fell for it.
>>70408411
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>70407819
And I'm done for the night here, man. Saving you isn't as important to me as supporting my family, and I work six days per week. You understand.
>>70408162
Lucifer teaches you to be your own master. Gosh, you're a lost cause.
So you left catholocism not because you stopped believing it but because you stopped agreeing with the opinions of the leaders? Sounds cucked
>>70408234
thatistheplan
Francis comes off as stupid because he isn't a westerner. He doesn't have western values.
A theologian I am working with is from Peru, and knows about the political, social, and religious movement in South america. Francis's political ideologies are not "pro socialism" because socialism in theological circles there is not the same as the idea in the mind of the west, especially us "better dead than red.
If the Papa saw what we saw in socialism, he'd applaud us. He even acknowledges that in AL by saying that not all political structures work in every country.
I see a lot of bad theology done by people that have religion, but no reason, and to be frank(ie), I think that its laughable to try and interpret Pope Francis at face value, without filtering the Latin american theology from him.
FWIW, Catholic theologians think socialism is literally the worst
>>70408393
I personally didn't like how all the orthodox churches were just nationalistic get togethers.
Either speak Greek, Russian, or occasionally Syriac or Serbian or else you won't have a clue what the hell they're chanting or saying.
You'll rarely find just an Orthodox church in English. It's either GREEK orthodox church or RUSSIAN orthodox church.
>>70408393
When will you understand that apostolic succsession was not meant only for one person? Even if Peter is pope who is he to deny other right to autonomus yet same church? Why did pope fabricate document in order to be above kings? The chuch of Nicea had several Patriarch and eastern church tolerated western church even with cultural diferences. The split happened in 1054 because of cultural differences but also because pope wanted to control whole christendom. I am in no reason to fich against another christian. Atleast untill greather threads are not defeated. You know what they are. Your pope is crashing your church with no survivors.
>>70407252
It's not a loophole. It's an open door. You just have to take it. God loves you and doesn't want to punish you. Whatever evil you did in life is so incredibly insignificant on the scale of the universe. If you believe in him, even if you only do in your last moments and you truly regret your sins, he will forgive you.
I don't know if "oh shit I don't want to go to hell" counts as regret, though.
God isn't evil. I don't understand why people think he's just waiting for you to sin so he can damn you to hell forever.
>>70408676
JOHN 21
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>>70408292
No, all atheists go to hell. They outright deny God. As for all who believe in God, but know not who He is, it is God's judgement if they are purged or suffered to eternal damnation.
>>70408310
ueheuheeuheueheuheuheeuheuhehueuheuhehueeuheuheuheueh hey serbian i like you bro. but do you really belive that after the death of god, staying around his corpse asking him to get back to live will acomplish anything ? go get a good ethics book and start reading bro. you will need alot of reading to figure out what is god, what is morals, what is ethics, what is politics, and why you need an internal war to get your shit going. the christian morals cant fix our problems anymore. its like trying to solve quantum phisics problems with aristotelian physics. and the worst part is : no one can do it for you.
>>70402776
it's funny cuz Catholics are so desperate for new followers but most of people still don't buy it
>>70408688
I dont know but i think the bible really talks about hell being a punishment
>>70408310
This is sound logic, but unfortunately if you ever start to actually care about your salvation, you can never let yourself think this way.
If you really want to believe, never offer yourself a rationalization that says its okay if He doesnt exist, because this is just a trick that prevents you from ever having true faith.
>>70408292
NO you could not. Any person that denies Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins is going to burn in hell for eternity.
The only way theoretically they could go to Heaven is if they lived a perfect life and didn't sin once. Possible, but not going to happen since the only sinless man was Jesus Christ. For believers in Christ, Jesus will stand in for you on the day of judgement and all your sins will be paid for.
That's why I shrug atheists off, they're smug now, they won't be when their flesh is burning off in the lake of fire.
>>70402776
Become an atheist for goodness' sake. Most Catholics are shitskins anyway, and Cuck Francuck is a fucking cuck.
>>70408875
you're the same kind of person that would notice that all of the popes from the last few... hundred years?... have been white.
inb4:
>argentina
>>70408935
dont talk about my hermanos!
>>70408747
Fine ok lets say you are right. What it is that whoud keep your ideal society from degenerating like this we currently live in? Maybe you are right.. Maybe just maybe you have a idea or at least a spark of an idea that will be... not perfect but it will keep us in line. Something that whoud drive humasn foward. Something that whoud fight for masculinity and bravery. Something that even i choud wake up and say: " I have a purpose i must.....(insert whatever you believe). I am asking you. What it is that you think that will keep us humans going and not to fall into jaws of ninhilism?
>>70408797
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
>>70408575
Or Romanian orthodox church? It's the closest language to latin out of others orthodox ones.
>>70404308
>Beyond that, the church is mostly a charitable organization now.
the old men who molest little children from poor and third world places
>>70408676
I really wont get into it. My wife fell for the Orthodox meme and now every time I run through the argument I have to start at the beginning again because she refuses to admit shes wrong.
The only thing I'll ask you, is why do you think no body inherits the authority of Peter, and why do you deny the early church fathers who would settled their dispute with Rome, even when John the apostle was still alive and closer to them physically? And believe me, if I had the energy I can get much more examples of early church fathers supporting papacy. In fact every time an orthodox lies about some father being against it, I actually research and find new evidence supporting it. It gets tiring explaining things to orthodox, they do this circular argumentation thing. At least protestants just call you a shitlord and be done with it.
>>70408375
Puritans wanted to purify the Anglican Church from any Catholic practice, what the fuck are you on about. All Protestants were pretty serious about the whole "not being Catholic" thing, I mean the English Civil War basically started because the Anglican Church was not being not Catholic enough for the Scottish Presbyterians and the Puritans.
I don't know much about how the different protestant churches who flourished in America came about, though. I should look into it.
>Lutheran
>Catholic offshoot
>mfw
>>70402776
We are just waiting him out and trying not to see what he is doing.
I personally found 100KM from my home old church with latin pre 2nd vatican councill eucharist wtich I attend.
I have hope that that ecumenism and modernism will end and teachings of Pius IX will be restored.
Besides there is literally no alternative.
>>70408736
What if they never heard about Jesus? Or if they believe in a different God?
Except Islam of course becsuse following Islam requires you to be a bad person.
>>70408855
Why do you keep saying that God wants to set people on fire? He IS Love.
>>70408797
What if hell is a temporary punishment? Jesus kept talking about how a man can turn to God at any time and be forgiven. What if there is no hell and what we think is hell is actually purgatory, where you repent for your sins until your soul can ascend to heaven?
Why would God be cruel enough to send his children to hell forever? He created you, knowing what you would do. If he created a sinner and then sent him to hell forever, he would have created an immortal soul just to torture it forever.
>>70409123
read Quo Primum Tempore.
Look at the fact that the liturgy can be changed by synod.
Get fucked, fundie
>>70405605
Well then that's understandable I guess
Culture is a great thing, but do you really value the "olden days" above what God's plan is for the future? I can't wait for things to keep getting harder and harder, it feels good knowing God is in control and is allowing us to grow stronger through this fire and chaos
>>70408811
It does not matter. What most people dont understand is that those that fight for a belief... it does not nesseserly have to be belief in good... are as much important or even more inportant than those who practice it fanaticly. For me i believe in god. I am ready to fight for god, state and our race. If ever comes dark times when we have to sacrifice, i whoud sacrifice my heavenhood for it. If i am destined to rot in hell for infinity that we call existance then so be it. It's not like i whoud not be in hell if i didn not deserve it.
>>70409187
>ill call people who like the latin mass fundies
literal cringe
>>70409106
You've clearly never seen a protestant service in America vs a Presbyterian or Lutheran. The latter 2 still try to remain identical to a catholic mass.
I'm telling you in America, it's the catholics who are the liberal progressives, it's not that difficult to understand. It was cardinal timothy dolan who said being gay isn't a sin and who let a lgbt pride parade rally in front of his cathedral. Are there going to be some filthy protestants? Yeah of course, but the vast majority are almost always catholic, and the catholics aren't even a majority of christians here.
>>70407466
Actually Jan Paweł II was a garbage tier pope, probably even worse than the current one.
>>70409091
Peter is not soely sucessor to the church. God would not create something... that poses that power and something that will be so selfish. But alas it does not matter. It's not like something will change. I just don't want catholics like you to fall for cultural marxist meme that pope Francis is spewing.
>>70409150
>What if they never heard about Jesus? Or if they believe in a different God?
Objective reality leads to objective truth. By living truthfully, you are already obeying God's command, and even avoiding sin.
>What if hell...
Hell is the absence of existence. God allows us to reject Him by rejecting our own existence. However, He created us immortal, so the torture of hell is hating oneself's existence but being unable to commit sudoku because God would rather you exist than not.
>>70409348
Ale on był nasz ;_;
>>70409150
kek don't tell me you buy this belief that Jesus is a hippy passing out free passes to heaven to all the reprobates in the world.
Right now we're in a generation of mercy. Forgiveness for all no matter what you've done. What about when he returns? Well...
"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"
>>70409040
ok ok ... lets start from the beggining. what is god? god is a supreme power, and what differs it from us is that it cant be ashamed. and then you must ask "tha fuck is this nigger talking abou? " think about a human. he lives with another humans and sometimes you feel ashamed of stuff. what would be perfect? never be ashemed, and how you achive that ? with perfect actions. and what can lead you to a perfect action ? perfect ethics. how can you act like your actions could never lead you to shame ? thats exacly god behaving. So to achive a godly behaviour you must create some ethics that will make you behave without ever leading you to shame. because shame is the ultimate killer of the spirit. Since shame is a concept that evokes the rest of the society you will have to fight a huge internal battle to create this ethics.
>>70409249
>ill call people who like the latin mass fundies
I see that you still can't read.
Maybe that's why you have an affinity to chink cartoons
>>70408722
I know what you are saying. It is one of the most important parts of bible. But it does not actuelly prove that someone like god who is supposed to be all good create something with that amount of power. There was only one person to be representative of all christians and that was Jesus.
>>70409150
This is what I meant by, "do not know who He is."
This is a grey area, and we can't speak certainly.
We can assume one of two things, either:
1 God knew he/she was of bad will, and did not bother to place them near the faith. This person will go to hell.
2 God knew they were of good will, but decided not to place them near to His disciples. This person could be saved, but there is no proof that allows us to say yes or no. If ever allowed the opportunity to enter heaven, they could never have earned many crowns on Earth, however.
Truly, we shouldn't think too much about this, and simply rejoice that God placed us near to His wisdom.
>>70409150
>What if hell is a temporary punishment? Jesus kept talking about how a man can turn to God at any time and be forgiven. What if there is no hell and what we think is hell is actually purgatory, where you repent for your sins until your soul can ascend to heaven?
I am not really into being a christfag yet . but does not jesus forgives a thief we dont know the background of this man only that jesus forgave him for stealing.
i do not belief that when you killed 10 people because you are evil ,you just get forgiven while you wait for dead on deathrow
>>70407112
>hate
>hate
>hate
>christian
Kek cmon now f am
>>70402776
I stopped being a Catholic the moment when I realised that Jesus isn't the son of God, wanking isn't a sin and using a condom doesn't make you worse than Hitler. Catholics remain Catholics until they learn what their religion actually says then they're left with two choices - leave or stay with it because of the Concorde fallacy.
>>70409216
shit man, you must be depressed. cheer up, no one wants to burn in hell for all eternity. youve gravely underestimated how unpleasant that will be.
>>70409515
why not
sounds protty
insight:
if im a jew and i want to propose to a jewess, i sent ambassidor. but to jew, ambassador IS ACTUAL PERSON
so already
we see that Jesus does some crazy power donating
>>70409406
>Hell is the absence of existence
yeah, jesus was just being cute about the whole weeping and gnashing of teeth thing
not
>>70409579
Leviticus 26:30 - "And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you."
Psalm 5:5 - "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity."
Psalm 10:3 - "For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth."
Psalm 78:59 - "When God heard this, he was wroth, and greatly abhorred Israel:"
Romans 9:13 - "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."
God infact does hate certain type of people. There's even a verse about how if he hates someone truly enough he will turn them over to a reprobate mind so they continue in their sin.
>>70403368
fixed it for you
>>70409566
Jesus also forgives the men that killed him. He begs God to forgive them as he's dying on the cross.
You underestimate the love of God. Humans can't forgive someone who murdered ten people. God can.
>>70409425
The point being? I thought that you whoud say something like "we can progress, we are not alone, death of the earth, death of the sun and all planets we know is inevedeable. That is the reason why we humans have to fight for survival. Believe what you wand but remember that we now will shape future for our children. Save the human race, let's give our children a future they deserve:" or some similiar shit like this that whoud drive society.
You can criticize ethics of god, ethics of subjectivity, ethics of fedoralords all you want.
I am asking you for workable alternative. I am interested in it. If what you think is best way for our society than you whoud have my support.
>>70409408
Franciszek kontynuuje jego nauczania. Nasz nie nasz, od czasu 2 soboru watykańskiego jedyny w miare normalny papierz to był Racinger, który szybko dał sobie spokoj i abdykował.
Tą lewacką degeneracje ciezko bedzie zatrzymac. Ostrzegali o tym starzy papierze m.in Leon XIII
>>70409676
You don't always cry because you're in pain. Never seeing the face of God is a punishment in itself.
>>70409600
>NZ
nothing of value lost.
PS studying theology instead of listening to your pals debate might lead you to conclude that:
1. theology is hard
2. ur bad at it
3. there are proofs, debates, and discussions which entirely transcend the average person's mental faculties, being conducted because theologians understand 1 and 2, but gruel and sweat so you don't have to.
EG
The idea of a 'person' didn't exist until the idea 'hypostatic union' did
>>70409676
you think frustrating your own existence is cozy, then
>>70409566
if he truly is full of contrition for his sins, he should be saved. but theres some odd justice matters, like, what happens if he murders someone whos in a state of mortal sin? did God justly allow it? will the victim go to hell? will the murderer be forced to take on their sin?
if you really hated someone, you would fornicate with them and kill them right after... but such a loophole must be settled properly by the wisdom of God, not for us to figure out.
As long as he do not speak ex cathedra I don't care.
>>70406988
it's American thing
>>70407125
do you think that dinosaurs bones are some conspiracy theory?
>>70409408
I dodatkowo Jezuici to komuniści kościelni, tacy z krwi i kości marksiści. Dopóki rządzili prawicowi Dominikanie było w miare normalnie.
Polecam przejść się z ciekawości na pzredsoborową mszę trydencką i zobaczyć jak zmieniła się nasza wiara przez ostatnie 60 lat
http://sanctus.pl/index.php?podgrupa=167&doc=149
>>70409966
everyone knows the jews burried dinosaur bones
>>70409679
>insert about 50 verses on loving and forgiving and how my boy Jesus dined with prostitutes and degenerates
>hate the sin love the sinner
Right?
I was thought that you have to live your life in a clean and Christ-like way so that people see the love and joy that comes when you follow the teachings of Christ, a fag is not gonna get the message by being an arrogant asshole to them
Anyway, I'm not one to question God but Jacob was a really fucking shitty person, textbook /pol/ definition of a slimy Jew
>>70409891
having all eternity to day dream is much better than being forced to be in a constant state of utter misery
unless you mean i literally wont exist, in which case hell isnt even something to be afraid of for those who are suicidal
>>70405891
Because global warming is a hoax and has been caused by chem trails and haarp for years
cloud seeding has been around since the 60s in Vietnam when the US made a monsoon last longer to give themselves an advantage, the Geneva Convention ruled that weather couldn't be used as a weapon in war, if that is admitted and that's in history and they could do it back then, imagine how far the technology has come today. Like, anyone denying chem trails and weather manipulation please do your fucking research before you dismiss it. Its so blatantly obvious its being used for political gain among other things
>>70410047
I can smell traditionalists and fundies
JPII is a fucking saint, who excommunicated Arch. Lefebvre, and is from fuckin' POLAND
Polish catholics make me so fucking sick. Be grateful that you're not a Russian wank because God gifted you one of the greatest philosophers in the last 200 years
>>70410144
Well I was just stating that while we should love, we should also recognize that God does hate as well. Logically it doesn't make sense for God to throw people into Hell that he loves.
>>70409733
this new ethics is not ready dude. each one of us will have to fight our old morals and bring something better to the table. new problems ask for new solutions. you cant use your moral tools anymore. its time to create a mechanism to see what is useful to life and what is not. Otherwise we will be a moral system without the central object that is the chistian god (that is dead). That can lead to a lot of problems. one of them is cience for exemple trying to sit in the christian god throne and try to justify our morals with scientific studies. "we behave like that because hormones." that would be the worst case, since the possibility of a better moral system would be for ever lost. so i know you see this "degeneration" and you can say whatever you want about it. but what i see is the moral system used to work in the past, and it brought it up to this moment alive. but its visible its not working anymore otherwise we would no be ashamed. so lets try to build a new one.
>>70410147
Imagine suicidal depression, but while being immortal
That's what I mean
>>70409966
i dont really care to find out. the theology of christianity brings fullness to the meaning of existence, if God decided to troll around with some bones, or perhaps theres a physical explanation we are not aware of, im not one to question, especially when the explanation of dead bones in the ground is irrelevant to anything useful.
