Are there any transphobic talking points that can actually stand up to scrutiny?
>muh chromosomes
Your chromosomes don't even necessarily determine your sex, much less your gender.
Because it's like yeah, genetics is always 100% binary. That's why there are XY females, XX males, XXY, XXXY, XYY... that's why there are people with indistinct sexual organs, male and female gonads simultaneously...
The chromosome argument of transphobia is not compatible with human biology.
>If you get a sex change you should be required to tell your potential partners.
Trans people have been murdered for telling someone about their irrelevant medical past. But y'know, the risk of sleeping with someone who doesn't have a biological vagina is just so impossibly and unimaginably bad compared to being killed in the eyes of /pol/.
>Trans women can't have children. Therefore they shouldn't count as female.
Being infertile doesn't revoke womanhood. Some cis women are infertile and yet they are still universally accepted as female.
>You have breast implants and surgically constructed vaginas, you're not female
There are cis women with breast implants and vaginoplasty, and yet they are still considered fully female. In any case, not even all cis women have breasts. For example, many cis women have had their breasts due to cancer.
>B-but no surgery will fix big hands/wide shoulders/deep voice
Irrelevant. There are cis women with big hands, wide shoulders, and deep voice.
>they mislead cishet men and make them question their sexuality
Look, if you're attracted to a woman and you fall in love or whatever, you were attracted to her. That's a valid sexual attraction. If you like women and you end up with a trans woman, shes still a woman. that would mean you are still a straight male.
That should cover most of the transphobic talking points I've seen on here. Are there any transphobe points with actual merit? Because I've never seen any.
op you are a gay dude who likes other gay dudes with tits. Bye.
>>Your chromosomes don't even necessarily determine your sex
>justifying trannies by using literally a 1 in a million disease
Sounds about right.
>>70387153
Your chromosomes only contain the instructions. I can buy a lego set with instructions on how to make a race car and end up with a space ship if I don't follow the instructions. Doesn't make my space ship a car though.
There are cases where the human body doesn't get the right bath of hormones in the uterus when developing, or the sex organs don't develop the right way, or any number of things don't go according to plan and you end up with someone who is not strictly male or female. They would have physical qualities of both. Your physical sex isn't a binary option. It's a generalization.
Male generally means "This person has a penis and the stuff that goes along with it". Female generally means "This person has a vagina and the stuff that goes along with it." But not having a penis does not imply having a vagina. One can have both, or at least parts of both. A person can be genetically male but have breasts and no penis. These things happen.
And even if we ignore that, if we really do decide that the genes are the only determining factor and that XY is man and XX is woman, then what about people who have neither of those combinations?
So the situation is clearly more complex than just man or woman which is determined by genes alone.
>>70387153
Oh, and also the handful of diseases that can cause a chromosomal man to be born a woman are genetic, so in the end it's still genes determining your sex.
>>70386637
no one cares what you care about.
>>70387268
Wasn't there an episode of House where some sexy girl was biologically male?
>>70386637
>Trans people have been murdered for telling someone about their irrelevant medical past.
Irrelevant to whom? Do only trans feels matter?
Try not tricking straight dudes into fucking you and you won't have to worry. After all, tricking someone into having sex with you is considered rape so therefore they are just killing their rapist.
>>70386637
Chromosomes mean everything. There are no males with XX chromosomes. XXY, yes, but those are mutated retards and a tiny, tiny percentage.
Don't try and use a genetic defect as an excuse to make it look like it's okay and not a defect that needs to be fixed.
You're wrong.
>have been killed for revealing their medical past
And nothing of value was lost.
>some cis women are infertile
They've always been biological females.
>cis women with plastic surgery
Again, they've always been biologically female.
>visit women with manly features
STILL always biologically female.
>she's still a woman
No. And that's the problem. You're basing your premise off this delusional idea that anyone can be a woman. You can only be a woman if nature and biology selected it for you. If not, too fucking bad. You're almost as bad as furries and scalies. We get it, life sucks, you wanna be whatever you want to be because adults always told you that when you were little. It's not literal. You can't literally be a Apache attack helicopter, okay? You're not a bunny, you're not a fox or a wolf or a dragon, and you're not the opposite sex.
Cognitive fucking dissonance.
>>70387153
Sex is biological. Gender is a spook. However, medical conditions exist which can alienate a person from their own sex (this is mostly physiological), and gender (this is more psychological).
>>70386637
I don't give a fuck about trannys. Just like every other disgusting activity, I don't care what you do as long as you don't do it in my face.
These people need to stop saying they're literally their chosen gender though. Just tell the truth and say you're a man living as a women (or vice versa)
>>70387153
>.3% of the population at max
>.0001% of the population at min
Your argument is that a rare thing can't be like another rare thing because rare things are rare?
>>70387407
Like I said, 1 in a million, but there are a handful of genetic diseases that will cause a male to not develop as a male and essentially "default" to female. They're often sterile and have other defects, but not always depending on the specific syndrome.
Completely unrelated to the mental disorder which trannies suffer from.
>>70387498
>There are no males with XX chromosomes.
Nope, wrong. Stopped reading there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome
wtf
anyone yet realize that 'transphobia' means changing from one fear to another?
switching from the fear of death to the fear of the unknown, for example
the faggotry has rotten your brains.
>>70387657
>Symptoms usually include small testes and subjects are invariably sterile.
so theyre fucking useless?
>>70387657
Now you're talking 1 in a billion disorders, which is ultimately still genetic and not a justification for trannies.
>>70387257
>So the situation is clearly more complex than just man or woman which is determined by genes alone.
All those words and you still don't address the point in his post. We aren't talking about people with incredibly rare diseases. In fact I'm fairly certain most of /pol/ doesn't care if those people do whatever it takes to feel comfortable.
We are talking about people born with fully functional genitals that decide to destroy them. The two cases are separate and not comparable.
If I put a hole in my arm is it a vagina?
>>70387498
This is the kind of mindset where PTSD doesn't exist and the soldiers in WWI were just pussies. If it wasn't for the fact that SJWs were heavily related you wouldn't be staking these claims so harshly; or, you'd be a retard.
>homosexuality isn't normal!
>liking to read isn't normal!
>being intelligent isn't normal!
>everything abnormal is bad!
Being trans is a genetic defect, and a rare one—that many stupid 20something liberals pretend to be one, just as many pretend to be "gay", shouldn't affect your politics. Since it does, it is pretty clear your opinion is as worthless as an SJW's.
>>70386637
> a fucking leaf
A tranny will never be a real woman. It's fucking simple. You will never have a real nuclear family with a biological child. A tranny will never have a real uterus, a real vagina, any real female parts. A tranny will never have the bone structure of a real female. A tranny will never have the genes of a real female.
>>70387657
The other chromosome is just a Y chromosome with an extra leg. It's an irrelevant argument. "Look, .0001% of the population experiences a genetic defect. That means it's okay for everyone else to pretend they also have the defect!"
>>70386637
lying or hiding the operation from a guy means they deserve EVERYTHING they got....i hope they suffered
if you want that shit then fucking come clean you degenerate predator
>>70387826
So we should hate and kill people with genetic disorders?
>>70386637
>Your chromosomes don't even necessarily determine your sex, much less your gender.
Its a mental illness. We don't tear the eyes out of people who think that they should be blind, or remove arms from people who think they should be paraplegic
And we shouldn't encourage that kind of shit either
>real women who are barren are university considered women
lel no they aint they have no value...even a ugly 3 out of 10 is worth more
>>70387985
>mental illness
'Transgender' people are officially diagnosed with an egosyntonic mental health disorder by a psychiatrist. Depending upon the mental health diagnoses manual the psychiatrist uses, the official mental health diagnosis is for Gender Identity Disorder/Gender Identity Syndrome/or Gender Dysphoria.
Less than .03% of the population is affected with varying degrees of GID/GIS/GD. Symptoms of this syndrome are all mental health based: depression, anxiety, unease with their bodies, suicidal thoughts. The suicide rate of GID/GIS/GD sufferers is staggering: 20% compared to under 1% of the normal population. Both the psychiatric and medical fields recognize GID/GIS/GD as a mental health issue.
Current standard treatment for the mental health diagnosis consists of psychiatric therapy and later prescription medication with synthetic hormones. Psychiatric therapy is the foundation of their treatment, and no doctor or psychiatrist proceeds with synthetic hormones without the concurrent psychiatric therapy. The current treatment is recognized by both psychiatrists and medical doctors as moderately effective in reducing their rate of suicide, depression, anxiety, dysphoria, and other accompanying mental health symptoms of GID/GIS/GD. Sexual reassignment surgery is effective in relieving these mental health symptoms short term but fails to provide relief long term.
People with GID/GIS/GD have a much higher prevalence of Body Dysmorphic Disorder, noting that in both, the sufferers have a pervasive delusional view of their own bodies that cripples their normal functioning. Here are two patients who suffer from both GID and BDD concurrently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvY2ScZBCtQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xujgH_C2q8
The transgender 'movement' works to make this mental health diagnosis seem normal, and to push legal, policy and social changes on the normal 99.97% of society, that are disproportionate to the actual numbers of sufferers of this rare mental health issue.
>>70387985
What?
>>70386637
A leaf
>>70387604
Well yeah. The point of House is the diagnosis-of-the-week was always something really rare, extremely situational or thought to be extinct disease. I just like that episode because it was fucking sexy
>>70387153
First post best post
>>70386637
When dealing with a mental illness, one should not reaffirm delusions.
>>70387936
My politics? No such thing. It affects world politics, thus it affects me.
Your examples are exaggerated and irrelevant.
People en mass pretending to be something they're not for special snowflake privileges, and forcing everyone else to conform to their bullshit doesn't affect *your* politics? Why the fuck are you here, idiot?
>>70387963
>>70387963
Many cis women never have biological children. Some cis women don't have uterus. Some cis women were born without a vagina. Bone structure vary greatly even among cis women. Genes don't mean shit, as discussed ad nauseum above,
>>70386637
Are you a human being?
If so, admit you're a fag and move on with your life
>>70387985
We should hate being forced to play pretend with delusional people
>>70388171
>The transgender 'movement' works to make this mental health diagnosis seem normal, and to push legal, policy and social changes on the normal 99.97% of society, that are disproportionate to the actual numbers of sufferers of this rare mental health issue.
This.
Many fags pretend to be transgender to get attention and give up or kill themselves within a few years. They deserve treatment instead of being glorified and catered to
>>70386637
sucide rate is high as fuck for people that transition
>>70386637
>Because it's like yeah, genetics is always 100% binary. That's why there are XY females, XX males, XXY, XXXY, XYY... that's why there are people with indistinct sexual organs, male and female gonads simultaneously...
The non-binary ones you mentioned are what we call genetic defects. Trannies choose to be defects.
Not even gonna glorify the rest of your retarded points with a response. Degenerates gonna degenerate
if a man wants to conform to female gender roles that's fine (wearing dresses, complaining, etc)
if a man thinks they are a woman, when they have a penis, that man is out of touch with reality. genital mutilation and unnecessary hormone treatments violate the "do no harm" principle of the Hippocratic Oath
>>70388290
>"cis"
You're just denying science you fucking retard.
These people are mentally ill, believing they are something they are not.
Keep living in your fantasy world, you cannot ever actually SWITCH genders. Some women never have children? Well that's called natural selection, removal from the gene pool.
>>70388290
>genes don't mean shit
Genes are literally the only reason that cis woman would not have a uterus and vagina. Wtf do you mean they don't mean shit? They determine everything.
You're driving down a road. You look down and notice you car says it's in reverse. "Well that can't be" you think, "I'm clearly driving forward." You decide to go to a mechanic. What do you do?
A) Have him correct the problem
or
B) Have him rip the body off and put it back on backwards
>>70386637
>more
It's a dude wearing women's clothes.
There's nothing to discuss you fucking leaf
>>70386637
>Your chromosomes don't even necessarily determine your sex, much less your gender.
Ignorance.
>Because it's like yeah, genetics is always 100% binary. That's why there are XY females, XX males
Correct up until here.
> XXY, XXXY, XYY... that's why there are people with indistinct sexual organs, male and female gonads simultaneously...
Oh look, you're now confusing people with disabilities for normal people. These people have medical problems and shouldn't be considered normal.
>Trans people have been murdered for telling someone about their irrelevant medical past.
People have been murdered for walking down the street. Does this mean we should all refrain from walking outside? You aren't making a point here you're simply appealing to emotion. Oh no those poor trannies out there have a higher chance of being murdered so you should have sex with them all. Fuck off faggot.
>Being infertile doesn't revoke womanhood
Being biologically born a male revokes womanhood.
>Some cis women are infertile and yet they are still universally accepted as female.
They were still born women. This is why they are universally accepted as female. They are GENETICALLY FUCKING FEMALE.
>There are cis women with breast implants and vaginoplasty, and yet they are still considered fully female. In any case, not even all cis women have breasts. For example, many cis women have had their breasts due to cancer.
Once again. GENETICALLY. FUCKING. FEMALE.
>Look, if you're attracted to a woman and you fall in love or whatever, you were attracted to her. That's a valid sexual attraction
You fall in love with someone. Then you later discover that they have been constantly lying to you. They manipulate you and cheat on you behind your back. Suddenly you don't love them because you are aware of their true nature. This applies to trannies as well. A tranny can not hope to be loved if it can't even be honest about what it is.
>>70386637
But you're a man
>2016
>wanting to be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Um13Bzob9o
>>70387153
should have been /thread right here
>>70386637
>muh chromosomes
Y chromosome = male
No exceptions.
>If you get a sex change you should be required to tell your potential partners.
Not required, but it's courteous to tell your partner he's going to be sticking his dick in an open wound you call a vagina
>Trans women can't have children. Therefore they shouldn't count as female.
Trans 'women' are actually men who cut their dick off, and have a Y chromosome, therefore they don't count as female.
>You have breast implants and surgically constructed vaginas, you're not female
Some men have real tits, some women don't have tits, nobody has ever made this argument.
And there's a difference between vaginoplasty, and turning your dick inside out to pretend you're a woman
>B-but no surgery will fix big hands/wide shoulders/deep voice
But they don't have an inside out dick, or a Y chromosome.
Gender is not determined by the way you look, It's determined by chromosomes.
>If you like women and you end up with a trans woman, shes still a woman.
no
I'm Trans, anything you think you can say to convince me to detransition?
>>70386637
>irrelevant medical past
Stopped reading there.
>>70388555
great analogy, I'll use this for later arguments.
>>70387826
1 in 20,000...
Quite far from "1 in a billion". In fact, trannies are literally just as fucking rare, if not more. Are you retarded?
Can any cutie patootie transgirls post a pic of themselves?
>>70388282
>People en mass pretending to be something they're not for special snowflake privileges
So what you really hate are SJWs, and you're latching onto "trannies" because you're incapable of logic. Literally no different from SJWs attack "all white men" because many men are dudebro retards.
Hint: Many people are retarded, and therefore, many sub-groups have retarded people. There are a shit ton of mangina feminist "men". Ergo, all men should be eradicated otherwise feminism will take over because all men are insane pussies.
Good job, m8.
>>70388893
You can't detransition anymore, too bad but you are permanently fucked even if you get treatment for your mental disorder.
It's unfortunate that you were tricked into cutting off your dick but at least your weak genes will disappear
All life is meaningless so fuck trannies, they can hang
>>70388893
Would you take a medication that made you cis?
It's just a sex fetish that got out of hand and tries to play itself off as some important issue when it is not.
>>70386637
>determine your sex, much less your gender.
Looks like you have extra chromosomes senpai.
>>70388956
*tips fedora*
thank you good sire. together we shall endeavor to maintain the strength and purity of the white race.
>>70389276
61st post best post
>>70388893
Can you just not cut off your penis? Chop off your balls if you got to, but please keep that penis.
>>70386637
>transphobic
fuck off leftist, expressing hatred or disgust at something does not imply an irrational fear of it
>>70387257
>I can buy a lego set with instructions on how to make a race car and end up with a space ship if I don't follow the instructions. Doesn't make my space ship a car though.
But your solution is simply to stick wheels on it and demand everyone recognise it to be a car and treat it as such
when did the snowflake generation get so completely fucked in the head?
>>70387985
Yes
>Because it's like yeah,
Stopped reading there.
>there exists people on /pol/ who wouldn't fuck Kalindra-chan
What are you, gay?
>>70386637
Could you please not use the word transphobia.?
>>70387257
>Your chromosomes only contain the instructions.
You BTFO yourself so hard in the first sentence.
Exactly. kek. holy shit.
Are all faggots like you this delusional? Just face the fact you're fucking gay and move on with your life, preferably with a rope around your neck falling 3 meters.
what if a man perform brain transplant into a female body? no seriously; I stand with this dude, one day even a complete cell transformation may be posible; another point: there are plenty hermaphrodite species in the world, two sexes was a biological strategy which assured a better chance of survival, nothing more.
>>70386637
Replace
>I believe I'm a woman
with
>I believe I'm a wolf
and tell me what the difference is
>>70386637
>>70389550
Your body is your fucking body just because you have a different "brain" doesn't mean shit you fucking spic faggot dicksucking illegal.
It's a mental illness and degeneracy of the highest order, just like fucking fags and just like women.
>it's like
>yeah
>like
>yeah
>totally
>yeah, like
stopped reading there
I am 100% in support of gender reassignment surgery. Please everyone we need to encourage every tranny to do this....
That way these fucking degenerate worthless excuses for humans can all but extinct themselves by not reproducing and passing their mental and genetic defects on to another generation of offspring. Encourage the suicides, this is natures way of cleansing these parasites from existence.
>>70389552
It's possible for a human to be a man or a woman but it's not possible for a human to be a wold.
If a woman said "I believe I'm a woman," would that be an incorrect statement? What makes a woman? Having a vagina? You'd fuck Buck Angel and it'd be totally straight, huh?
>>70386637
who cares just tell me that pic isn't a dude?
>>70389998
There's literally no girls on the internet anymore. Sorry.
Kill all faggots and that might change.
>>70390058
I need proofs that is a man
>>70390116
Search Kalindra-Chan, you useless fuck.
>>70388290
>genes don't mean shit
Liberals.
God damn leaf, this is fucking gold.
>>70389998
>implying you wouldn't
>>70386637
>XX males, XY females
How about 'no' you uneducated retard. Did you forget eleventh grade biology or had you already dropped sciences by that point in favour of philosophy and gender studies?
>>70390116
>>70390058
>>70389998
im pretty sure OP is a tranny
I remember he/whatever the fuck it is did an AMA once whinging about he he/whatever the fuck it is gets bullied the fuck out and was on literal suicide watch
>>70390308
>Genes mean everything
Is that why you're on 4chan.
>>70390420
Well I don't hate trannies, they just need to quit committing suicide over nothing
>>70386637
I sexually Identify as an Light Cruiser. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of sailing across the seas firing hot sticky loads on disgusting gaijinn. People say to me that a person being a light cruiser is Impossible and I’m fucking retarded but I don’t care, I’m beautiful. I’m having a plastic surgeon install quad screws, 140 mm cannons and Type 93 torpedos on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me “Kuma” and respect my right to kill from the sea and kill needlessly. If you can’t accept me you’re a shippophobe and need to check your vessel privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.
>>70388980
>admits trannies are 0.00005% of the population
>expects people to give a fuck about them
Trannies should just kill themselves
>>70390417
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_gonadal_dysgenesis
>>70390348
>>70390399
id suck this faggots sissy little cock until he came down my throat, no homo
The only argument needed:
Do you have a dick?
(Yes) Male
(No) Female
It's that E-Z
>>70387507
shoo shoo stirner
>>70390255
its that one again fug its a man its over
>70390417 I think that conservatives are putting a lot of value in genes, genes will no more mean shit because of genetics engineering, >70390520 also I give a fuck about them because u christian retards actually attack them
>>70390605
Those are two different people. Also, ur a faget.
I saw a tranny once I called him a man. It felt great. All this trans shilling makes me treat them more shit. You're welcome OP.
>>70390417 I think that conservatives are putting a lot of value in genes, genes will no more mean shit because of genetics engineering, >>70390520 also I give a fuck about them because u christian retards actually attack them
>>70390520
Never said anything of the sort. Quite the opposite, actually.
If you hate trannies outside the realm of SJWism, you're literally retarded. It's like you said, .00005% of the population. A group being puppetted by Zionists and Marxists doesn't make that group inherently evil. Destroying society! 2 minute hate!
Get over yourself. Learn to not be so easily manipulated by the media. Acting like a simpering retard over "muh degeneracy" is exactly why the Zionists push degeneracy so hard—so retards like you will fight with the other retards. If you could keep your head about you, you'd perhaps realize this.
>>70390487
I agree. Gender dysphoria is a thing, I don't dispute that.
However, what I DO hate is societies not just acceptance, but promotion that undergoing mutilating surgery is somehow an acceptable treatment for that. It's irreversible and that in itself I'm sure often leads them to suicide.
If OP is the Canadian tranny I'm thinking of, his parents have literally cut all ties with him and he is depressed because of it. Was it worth it?
>>70390639
Why don't you make me, my property!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6QMmrM4BmI
>>70390723
>Those are two different people.
Then I'd suck both their cocks at the same time
>Also, ur a faget.
Bro, I said no homo
>>70386982
A... fucking leaf? I'm sorry I'm used to Canadian shitposts, not based commentary.
>>70386637
So the existence of defects like pic related means we should change how we characterize human beings in general ? Some people are born with no legs so I guess humans aren't bipedal organisms anymore. I guess if a nutjob wanted to cut off his own legs a doctor would treat him by actually doing it. Fucking leaf every time man
>>70386637
just like me
>>70386637
Here you go:
If sex isn't gender, why are you trying to use the bathroom of your self-identified gender and not your birth sex?
Bathrooms are clearly sexed, as is obvious by the inclusion of urinals, so why is it such an issue that penis-urethras go in one bathroom and sub-pelvic-urethras go into another one?
>>70386637
>trannies are the opposite sex from what they were born
no, at best they'll be trannies.
Lying about something as base as your fucking sex is a big no-no.
Mentally ill people shouldn't conform reality to their delusion. They shouldn't be able to raise other peoples' kids. They shouldn't be respected in society for being embracing their delusion.
If they want to be trannies on their own dime, fine. If people want to have them as a fetish, great. Just don't ask everyone to respect trannies and make special privileges for their fucking delusion. If people cared about trannies they'd get them into therapy to combat their delusion.
>>70386637
finally someone who isn't blinded by hate and bigotry.
Only a true bigot wouldn't find this just as attractive as a normal penis.
>>70386637
Right???
You can hardly even tell!
>>70390785
>projecting stupid positions onto people who disagree with you
I didn't say I hate trannies. I don't give a fuck about trannies.
>>70386637
>Because it's like yeah, genetics is always 100% binary. That's why there are XY females, XX males, XXY, XXXY, XYY... that's why there are people with indistinct sexual organs, male and female gonads simultaneously...
Even phenotypically, it is binary. XY androgen insensitivity is 1 out of ~100000 cases. But like the rest of your examples, they are the abnormal anomalies that are only expressed through the remote probability of bypassing numerous biological checks to self-abort fetuses with deviant genetics. This is nature itself declaring that such deviancy is not the norm, is not favored for survival; is not acceptable to exist.
>>70386637
It's just skin!
We're all human!
>>70386637
It's unbelievable how close minded the people on this board are!
>>70386637
Good as anyone else's!
>>70386637
Conservatives are so blind!
>>70386637
Who /corncobdick/ here?
>>70390832
OP is a leaf shitposter so...
The only thing worse than trannies are the people who hate trannies.
All y'all can die in a fire.
IDGAF what consenting adults do with their genitals.
>>70390417
Lol. You do realize that the SRY gene on the Y chromosome can randomly translocate onto the X chromosome, thus rendering an XX male, right? SRY is the gene on the Y chromosome which initiates what we call 'male' sexual development, but it is susceptible to mutations and translocations like any other gene.
Also, for the people saying "IT'S A GENETIC DEFECT!!" -- that's only according to you. What do you think caused the split between X and Y chromosomes in the first place? It was a genetic defect which happened to be selected for in a particular environment. The emphasis here is random. Male/female came about through random chemical interactions in our evolutionary history. This is not a controversial fact.
What you're basically saying is this: "Random chemical interactions mean NOTHING when compared to the opinions of us well-esteemed bigots!"
>>70386637
Perfectly loveable vagina!
>>70386637
The inability to have kids is a deal breaker.
>>70386637
1. It's a lie. Be honest with those around you and you will earn respect.
2. It's shallow. Love the body you were given and be happy with more important things in life.
>>70386637
You're literally trying to tell us that sex does not exist. We're not the irrational ones here.
>>70390841
>>70390891
>>70390971
>>70391009
>>70391059
>>70391088
>>70391131
>>70391177
>>70391202
Wew, the only thing you're proving is that you have transcended regular levels of autism.
>>70391310
>IDGAF what consenting adults do with their genitals.
Aren't you a freedom loving person. However the issue is public.
>>70391059
Why do they make them so massive? DO they have any idea how absurd this will look in clothes? No man has a flaccid dick this huge
>>70391628
Blacks do.
>>70386637
quality shitpost
>>70389138
Tranny detected
>>70386637
>Some people can be born with six fingers on their right hand
>You have to accept it when I say that my right hand has thirty-seven fingers, eleven toes, a nose, and three-and-a-half testicles; even though you only see five fingers
>You're oppressing me if you say that I'm incorrect
>>70391326
It's a genetic defect according to every sane geneticist you could possibly ask. Dressing up words into different contexts doesnt change the reality of the situation. You're free to believe whatever you want, but acting this way towards others simply because they don't agree with you is bigoted. Learn your words before you use them. Also
>what do you think caused the split between x and y chromosome in the first place?
That's not exactly how it works. Your poor inferences and random, illogical hypothetical questions only prove how desperately you're grasping at these straws that you yourself do not fully comprehend.
>>70387468
>the gay panic defense
good luck with that
>>70386637
Get the fuck out of here with that shitposting copypasta you silly Trudeau faggots
>>70391326
I mean, we're all just products of random chemical interactions. You're not exactly proving anything here except how insecure and quick to strawman you are. No one is basically these things. You are saying these things and no one else.
>>70391310
Except the fact that they are pushing to make it so the "IDGAF" extends to what they do to YOU with their "genitals". Without your consent.
If trans people are required by law to make it known that they are trans before initiating any romantic relationship with uninformed normals, they'd be a non-issue. But nope. They want YOU to acknowledge the delusion that they are a "real" man/woman. They want YOU to remain ignorant of their genetic biology while they probe and feel their way into your intimate space. They want YOU to forcibly suppress your natural revulsion at intimacy with the same sex while they violate you over and over again.
>Thinly-veiled troll thread #28175038743
yawn
>>70386637
Muh dick!!! Muh dick! Muh dick, Muh Dick, MUH DICK!!!!
>>70391388
Given the discrepancy between body sex and brain sex, its far easier to change body sex to fit the brain sex than the opposite (we have no clue how to change brain sex / gender, but we can change body sex with hormones and surgery..), hence transitioning should be the way to go in treating gender dysphoria.
Trans people are being honest when they decide to transition and live as who they really are. Without transitioning, they would be living a lie as someone they're not.
>Be born
>"It's a boy!"
>13 years later
>stumble into tumblr
>become transfag
>"identify" as girl
>dont fit in cuz you're fucking weird and annoying
>an hero by hanging self in safe space treehouse
>coroner examines corpse
It's a boy!!!
>>70386637
>Your chromosomes don't even necessarily determine your sex, much less your gender.
On the very 3rd line you proved yourself retarded. Pretty quick time, congrats.
>>70386637
>trans mental illness is acceptable because some people have actual genetic defects
why would you promote this? literally cancer killing the human race
>>70393182
>Hundreds of years later scientists find the bones: "It's a male skeleton!"
>Eternal suffering for the mentally ill
>>70386637
Noone will ever stay with you. Except other trannies who just enable your poor social adjustment techniques. You will never be able to have children of your own, yea that may be the case for some cis people with a disease, but it is generally undesirable to be sterile. You will always be ugly, sure you can make the early treatment talking point, but that crosses into the lines of parental interference because of how early the procedures must begin so that factor alone is eye opening to the childs influences in decision making from a young age, a polluted mind if you will. Switching genders is not something you would think of if you never heard of it or was unabailable, for example if you were raised in total isolation with no access to media, internet, and people you wouldnt not be constantly thinking about the fact you were born into the wrong body as you would know that serves no benefit to you. You reject what you were born with and are assuming you know what is better for you than your default settings and act like its everyone else who has the problem for sticking with theirs. You have an attraction to the idea of getting off with a penis or vagina that can only be satisfied through having one, the irony is you never actually get one. Generally you just have an itch for proving something positive about yourself to the world you percieve as so negative and it shows in every action you make. Its like you are using our approval as a way to validate to yourself that you arent insane and youll only stop when we stop. I think you suffer from the need of attention and the worst part about progressivism for you is that the part you play everyday will eventually get boring and you'll kill yourself for trusting the fools had your best interests in mind.
>>70386637
I used to work at a restaurant and about 5 trannies came in. Black, ugly as fucking hell. I was scared even looking at them, and told my coworker that those were the ugliest women I've ever seen.
>mfw he tells me they were trannies
No way in hell should they be allowed in a womens bathroom.
>>70393182
>implying any sane woman would let a white male who is clearly a misogynist rapist touch her, even if he is a "doctor"
shitlord pls go
>>70387407
>Wasn't there an episode of House where some sexy girl was biologically male?
That was a real girl though and lol tranny freaks in this thread think they shouldn't have to tell potential partners they were born with a penis.
It's like having AIDS and not telling your sexual partners, instead though, you're walking AIDS.
>>70390841
POTATO DICK
>>70390891
Pickled bologna.
>>70393433
aids is a disease though, so thats much worse.
Id rather fuck a passable trap then a 10/10 aids rag
>>70390891
DID YOU SHAVE YOUR COCK?
>>70390891
w..ww..wwaa?
>>70390944
it's dumb as shit, you can't have genes for one thing and call yourself another thing. Might as well identify as banana
Trans is degenerate
>>70389610
>human design
>binary by design
Fundamentalist religious bullshit.
>>70386637
>this thread again
Look, im a tranny and im the first one to tell you that being trans means you have a mental ilness called gender dysphoria, and it fucking sucks.
It basically means theres a small part in your brain that thinks its the wrong sex, and no matter how consciously aware you are that you will never be the opposite sex, this retarded part doesnt care and makes your life extremely miserable depressed and suicidal unless you take hormones.
The only saving grace is that ATLEAST with hormones im pretty happy and relatively cute.
But seriously, fuck being trans. Its worse than aids.
>>70386637
>Your chromosomes don't even necessarily determine your sex
They do so 99% of the time.
>much less your gender.
And your "gender" falls in line with it. That's why my language doesn't even have a separate term for your bullshit.
>Trans people have been murdered for telling someone about their irrelevant medical past.
People get murdered for fucking everything. Now, how about you don't wait until last minute to disclose a huge part about your past? In that case, no one builds up enough emotional investment for large frustration. That's just sensible either way.
>There are cis women with breast implants and vaginoplasty, and yet they are still considered fully female.
It's the difference between fixing what's already there, and making what wasn't already there.
>>70393849
>binary by design
In nature, the normal female has 2 x chromosomes, and the normal male as a y chromosome. Anything differing from this is an abnormality. So, yes, gender is binary by design. You fucking faggot
>>70394045
No thx id rather not.
Some women want modesty when they shower, change or use the restroom. That's the entire reason for segregated facilities. Trannies are an invasion of women's modest places and make women uncomfortable.
Men don't care about a FtM in the locker room, they don't even care about women being there, it literally doesn't matter. Women and parents of daughters care about dicks in female locker rooms.
>>70393588
Physical Illness vs Mental Illness, I've never met a sane tranny. The fact that trannies all seem to converge on /b/, /r9k/, and /pol/ just shows how insane they truly are.
>>70394212
Wasnt a question
Anyone who believes that a psychotic faggot is a female is suffering from a severe case of biophobia.
>>70386637
> transohobic talking points
Weak bait. But RIP leafs and britbongs who in 5 years will be jailed for disagreeing with these sentiments.
>>70386637
Good Goy, being trans is completely normal.
>>70394212
Come on man, you could do something big to get attention like you freaks do. Stream it on /b/ while screaming some shit about transphobia.
>>70386637
>you're mentally ill
>>70394484
well luckily you have no power here newfriend ;)
>>70394375
Not that i disagree with you but if we are going just based on the feelings of women and children we should ban really old disgusting grandmas with saggy boobs as well as obese fat lards from changing rooms. They are just as bad.
>>70394210
Missed the point: No design.
>>70394731
0/10
i dont need attention
I came here to rant because being trans is a mental ilness with no cure and its really lame. Its like a nightmare you can never wake up from.
Have you ever had a dream like that? Where you knew you were dreaming and wanted to wake up but for some reason couldnt or just woke up in another dream? Thats what i feel like most of the time.
Even now that I even look and act like a girl well enough to pass for most people i just feel like a fake.
>>70394739
t. Clearly not a woman
>>70393146
That is someone they made up in in their mind like an imaginary friend. There is as much evidence for 'Brain Sex' to exist as there is God and Santa Claus.
>>70386637
i only go to pol for cute girls
Gender isnt a real thing only sex is
>>70387657
Note: your source says it is a disorder.
Trannies have a disorder as well.
>>70386637
Transfolk should be looked down upon in society the same as people who abuse plastic surgery... It teaches children that if they don't like something about their bodies, they can just get surgery and hormones to change it.
Don't feel manly enough? Here little Timmy, have some testosterone.
Feel like your breasts are too small Jenny? Just get a boob job!
Fuck accepting yourself, just let a surgeon or pharmacist fuck your shit up senpai!!!!
>>70394963
1. i never claimed to be a woman
2. you are retarded if you dont think most women hate fat people as well as disgusting old women
When i do happen to use the womans bathroom or changeroom (because i can and no one ever complains)
you can tell the ones who make everyone the most uncomfortable are the really disgusting fat lards and the old women with saggy tits. If you dont believe me just ask any one of your female freinds.
Oh wait, you would have to have female freinds ;)
>>70386637
>Your chromosomes don't even necessarily determine your sex, much less your gender.
haha...hahaha....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>70386637
I actually know someone born with both genitals semi formed. His parents decided to make him a girl because the surgery was easier, but he has mostly male DNA and identifies as male. He has spent a lot of money to revert the hormone therapy he took as a child.
I support him and he is not crazy.
However his case is one in about 10,000 cases of being trans that's actually medically legit as opposed to the gender fluid mental cases that live this way to fulfill their fetish.
Most are mentally ill and should have therapy and not destructive surgery.
My friend didn't have a choice, biologically. And he believes people who choose this should be shipped off to the loony bin. his medical condition has been used by faggots like you to justify coddling mental patients and it's disgusting.
>>70394958
I'm into all kinds of Wierd shit I hide from people. A lot of people are. just act fucking normal like everyone else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4_Bxqp2tQU&nohtml5
>>70386637
>XX males
Literally impossible.
Do you want me to be honest? It's mainly because most trannies have horrendous personalities. The reason that they have such a high suicide rate is because they are messed up in the head. Ever after post-op sure the gender disphoria may be gone, but usually that have a boat load of other problems mentally. Also the whole you can't produce your own vaginal lubrication thing. I guaranteed you the women who are infertile deal with depression. Same for guys. So why do you think most trannies are unhappy with their genitalia? Because even thought they have "Become the opposite sex." you aren't actually and you will never have a child. This realisation on top of the fact that your genitalia are not truely real and are merely mutilated is what usually makes trannies snap. The reason some people would like to know is maybe because some people want kids. Sure adoption is an option, but it's not the same.
TLDR: Some people want their own childeren, the operations usually create more mental problems, and no matter how hard you try what remains of your mutilated genitalia will never match the real thing. Also fuck you for baiting me you fucker.
>>70391722
When will this meme die? I always peek at the urinals, and there's little to no difference, even between blacks and Asians. We all got small flaccid dicks. N-no homo.
>>70386637
They're mentally ill. They don't have a 41% suicide rate for nothing.
>>70389217
Yeah. I just don't think I could bother with life with the dysphoria as a man, but if they made a medication that made me comfortable with that I would take it in a heartbeat.
>>70386637
None that can't also be used against gays. But everyone likes gays, even on /pol/, so we have to have them both :(
>>70386637
That shit has nothing to do with TRANSsexuals.
Your talking about hermaphrodites and tiny tiny percentages of people with these specific things.
Transsexuals are making a some-what conscious choice, often as a result of having the idea put in their head due to social pressures.
You guys cannot refute this which proves traps are much better than women
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjxTrrbjmx0
>>70397119
Pure unadulterated cancer.
>>70390781
>ayyyeltrapo
>>70386637
Boys have a penis. Girls have a vagina. What part of that don't you get? Are there some people with wacky chromosomes who have both? Yes. Is there a two headed girl and a dude known as tree man? Yes to that too.
>>70386637
It's about how poorly defined 'gender' is
Traditional argument - that gender = sex:
>Simple
Based on how your body naturally forms
>Measurable
Just check the baby's genitalia and/or chromosomes
>Consistent
at least 99% of babies will be born with either one set of genitalia or the other.
This definition also accounts for the alternative by labelling those born with both sets of genitalia as being hermaphrodites
Those born without genitalia can still have their chromosomes checked to see what they WOULD have had if not for the birth defect. In this case they are still a naturally bodied male or female.
Trans argument gender =/= sex:
>Complex
The trans notion of gender relies on there being some idea of what it means to be a woman.
On the one hand, body dysmorphia is an objectively testable thing. If you feel uncomfortable with the genitalia you have, then you have dysmorphia.
But on the other hand, the idea that you can 'feel' like you are in fact a woman when you are physically a man (or vice versa) is retarded. You can only experience your own life through your own perceptions. To claim that you have the same experience as any other person, let alone a group of people that is physically different to you in terms of their natural biology (hormones adding to the difference in perception) is a massive, unprovable leap.
Ultimately you can only say that you feel like what you think it would feel like to be a woman.
>Immeasurable
see above. You can only reasonably objectively measure one's level of discomfort with their naturally formed genitalia. It is impossible to measure how much 'like a woman' they feel.
>Inconsistent
Once again, this 'feeling' will obviously differ between people.
Say you have two men who 'feel' like they were born the wrong 'gender'.
Any differences including age, culture and the women they knew will change their experience.
>>70398186
Overall, the traditional definition of gender is solid. Trying to modify it to some broader, shittier definition because a minority group feels uncomfortable with it is retarded. If you're a trans woman, you're really a man who just got surgery to imitate the other sex's genitalia and then took hormones to grow tits as an attempt to improve the mimicry.
>>70386637
Can we ban Canada now?
>>70391467
Shut up freak
Transgenderism is such a small non problem that stefan molyneux hasn't even done a video on it so I don't know what to think
go back to gif
