What the fuck is the argument "race is a social construct" and that "race doesn't exist but racists do"
I rarely visit the comment section of sites but this is a new one for me.
Can someone explain this argument?
I don't see why it's even relevant. Does it not also disprove "white privilege"?
>>70385738
>Can someone explain this argument?
You can't explain nor understand liberal arguments, because they contain no logic
>>70385738
You picked the worst site on the internet for your picture, good job OP.
it's just word salad to distract you from white genocide
>>70385738
This is Jaden Smith level of logic.
>Race is a social construct
>You fucking white male
>Why are you keeping the black man down?
ad nauseam
>>70386117
It honestly gives me an existential crisis.
I don't understand how "race" can and cannot exist at the same time in their minds.
>>70386756
Doublethink.
I've been trying to say it here for a while now, it might be 'Brave new world' becoming a reality but 1984 is just beneath the surface.
It's something liberals came up with when confronted with statistics that went against their "whites r bad" narrative.
>>70386756
To understand the liberal mind, you have to start with a pre-supposition.
Heterosexual white males are evil. They exist at the extreme end of the privilege points spectrum.
Picture a seesaw. At the center balance point is 0. At the one extreme end of the seesaw are where the privilege points are weighted. At the other end of the seesaw is where oppression points are weighted.
Privilege points are one plank of the see-saw; the other plank is oppression points. White female feminists are at 0, in 'perfect balance', somewhat privileged due to being white and somewhat oppressed due to being women.
Start there. ONCE you fix that seesaw firmly in your mind, then you can make everything fit around that, no matter how bizarre a dogma it is.
Any two things that you put on that seesaw, will imbalance. The item/person/situation or idea with the more oppression points over the one with more privilege points, is the one you support.
Understand that when a social justice warrior uses this balance beam for their mental gymnastics, they know what they are doing, and they do it purposefully in the name of social 'justice'. they want to balance the beam in relation to every idea, person, situation or policy, based on THEIR system of points.
Race is a social construct because there aren't different breeds of human, we just classify people based on appearance like skin tone.
Racism exists because of prejudices people hold about individuals they think of as belonging to a certain race.
>>70388459
>there aren't different breeds of human
yet we can somehow tell the origins of a skeleton based off the skeleton's shape and DNA
>>70388459
>Race is a social construct
Is it not a decent system of classification? Aren't essentially tons of things "social constructs" by this logic?
>Racism exists because of prejudices people hold about individuals they think of as belonging to a certain race.
Is this not validating race exists? By using it an example of the definition?
>>70388953
Do you not understand what breed means? Of course there are genetic similarities and markers present in populations from the same area.
>>70386007
yup
>>70387879
>>70389052
It's a perfectly fine arbitrary system of classification, like if you made two races out of connected and hanging earlobes.
The racist individuals are the ones who imagine stereotypes against those they see as belonging to the same race. Of course a definition of racism will include the fact that the racist person categorizes by race.
>>70388459
Not that I believe it, but this answered OP's question.
It's not that hard.
The logic behind that is they are saying that the only differences between the races are socially constructed, the idea is that racism is based on the socially constructed difference rather than any biological differences. I think it's silly but i can see how it makes sense to them.
>>70389109
noun
noun: breed; plural noun: breeds
1.
a stock of animals or plants within a species having a distinctive appearance and typically having been developed by deliberate selection.
Race doesn't exist because there are no distinct genes that could properly categorize us that way. No one's denying that skin colors and cultures exist, but what we currently define as race has little to no meaning in the modern world anymore, outside of describing stereotypical physical characteristics and profiling criminals of course. It's a social construct that's unlikely to ever be phased out because there will always be a Cletus out there to go "nuh uh, muh crime statistics based on race prove that race exists", ignoring the actual issue entirely.
Racists still exist because there are still people out there that are unnecessarily prejudiced towards people of a perceived race. Race doesn't need to exist for someone to get mad about it.
>>70389336
>It's a perfectly fine arbitrary system of classification, like if you made two races out of connected and hanging earlobes.
Yea but with this logic aren't languages arbitrary systems of classification?
I.e. Some languages share words, how is that any different?
>The racist individuals are the ones who imagine stereotypes against those they see as belonging to the same race. Of course a definition of racism will include the fact that the racist person categorizes by race.
How is someone racist against a race if said race doesn't exist?
>>70390510
>no distinct genes
wew lad
I define race based on physical appearance, and average IQ.
Based on this there are at least 5 races, each split up to more sub-groups.
>>70385738
Disclaimer: I do not agree with this argument, but I understand it.
The argument is that race is not quantified, differentiated, or measured in any meaningful scientific way. Genetically, there are effectively no differences between races. This is used by liberals to say that it is scientifically impossible that one race is inferior to another.
But since race obviously exists in differing skin tones, you can still be racist by randomly hating someone with that skin tone. The former argument is used to strengthen this by saying that racists are complete idiots since race doesn't scientifically exist, that racists are just randomly picking and choosing what to hate. Science doesn't back racists up so they're wrong, is the idea.
Think of it like computers. A Dell PC and an Alienware PC can have the exact same parts with a different sticker slapped on the side. a racist, in their eyes, hates the sticker even if the insides are exactly the same.
>>70391159
What is your counter to the argument?
according to leftists race=skin color and nothing else
>>70391159
>racists are complete idiots since race doesn't scientifically exist,
kek
>>70391493
>>70391514
>>70391555
>>70391627
>>70391663
>>70391684
>>70391514
what the fuck
>>70391663
>>70391684
>>70391555
>>70391514
What does this prove?
>>70391763
>>70389109
you got BTFO by >>70389957
>>70391758
paint an abo white and tell me it is "just skin color"
>>70390961
Good, now if you can prove that there are genes that only those five groups have and properly draw the line between who is who you'll have proven that race exists. In the end the argument is only going to keep on coming back to genetics, because that is the only objective way to determine what we are.
>>70391839
look at the skull structure
>>70385738
Our SJWs are of the "race doesn't exist"-type. It's a nice shield against identity politics cancer tbqh.
>>70385738
>>70388459
It's funny you say that because there's more genetic differentiation between human races than dog breeds
>>70385738
Any category is a social construct.
>Both dogs and tables are made from carbon so any distinction between the two is stupid man....
>>70385738
It's what is being taught in colleges now.
Had a semester of Archaeology of Death. The only thing I really learned was how to fucking spell archaeology.
Our strong womyn professor preached about cultural appropriation, gender, and race. The last two were apparently social constructs, even though the book tells us the physical differences between the races and how to spot them.
And you can't be racist or appropriate white culture. The Redskins is terribly offensive, but the New Orleans Saints are okay.
Is it a shocker to learn this professor is Canadian?
>>70391840
Been there done that
http://ir.lib.uwo.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1137&context=totem
>>70392036
And where is the proof of this exactly?
>>70389109
> Of course there are genetic similarities and markers present in populations from the same area.
but that's literally the definition of a breed lol.
>>70392136
More fun facts
Blacks are 55x more likely of having the "warrior Gene" (previously known as the asshole gene) that makes you violent.
>5.5% of Black men, 0.1% of Caucasian men, and 0.00067% of Asian men carried the 2R allele
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A
50% of Whites have the empathy gene compared to 10% of blacks
http://news.ubc.ca/2015/05/06/how-your-brain-reacts-to-emotional-information-is-influenced-by-your-genes/
Intelligence is mostly inherited, blacks score on average 1 standard deviation of below whites on IQ tests meaning far more are near retard level while only a microscopic number can be called "geniuses"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/12061787/Intelligence-genes-discovered-by-scientists.html
>>70391758
That race is beyond skin color, even though those genetic anomalies and ugly people only further prove why we can't accurately name what a race even is. There will always be minute differences between people that can't all be accounted for, throwing tons of people into one big group called race is retarded.
>>70392142
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2675054
>>70392142
human genetics
>>70385738
>reddir jr
holy shit pure concentrated worse than reddit cancer.
>>70388459
It's funny you say that, because science has advanced to the point now, where, just from a swab of your saliva, geneticists can tell what race you are.
And what percentages you have of other races in you. Down to less than 1%. they are that accurate now for the CHEAP tests.
Want to know how accurate they are on the expensive tests? They can tell what village/area your ancestors came from.
Genetics! Science is marvelous, but you do have to keep up.
>>70392288
dog pc1 SNP
>>70392136
This doesn't prove anything. It just states that there are phenotypic differences between human populations. Where are the genetic differences he was asking for?
>>70392203
I don't know why people fight against this stuff. We have a shot at curing black people if we know there is a genetic component to their lack of intelligence and aggression.
>>70392415
>>70392558
>>70388459
/thread
>>70392249
>>70392288
You both don't actually know how to properly interpret these results, do you?
>>70392136
Mr. Biology professor, please pay attention, physical characteristics are not individual genes. Genes are what make those characteristics, now show me the one gene that determines if you're either white or black. If race truly exists then there can be no in between. Oh wait, you can't, because the perceived races are actually made up of literally millions of different chromosome combinations.
>>70392599
>>70392730
why does the left get so butthurt when they're proven wrong with evidence?
>>70392496
>>70392558
>>70392599
So what? How is any of this significant? This only proves that there is some genetic difference between human populations. If you understand genetics this should be expected. That doesn't prove your point though. We are still the same species and are still almost identical to one another.
>>70385738
They're right, race is a social construct, in the sense that it's a sociological concept. We came up with the terms "white" "black" etc...
But what is scientific fact, is ethnicity, ethnic Europeans (whites), ethnic Africans (blacks) & all the other "races" are biologically very different, it goes a lot deeper than skin color. It is the result of tens of thousands of years of evolution in very different climates.
Is it coincidence niggers (normally Kenyans) always win those 500 meter races? or that whites always win strongest men?
Fixation index or FST, is a way to measure genetic distance between populations.
The FST between Whites (British) and Blacks (Bantu) is 0.23:
http://www.genetics.org/content/105/3/767.abstract
The FST between the common chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes) and the bonobo (Pan paniscus) is 0.103 which is half the White-Black difference despite the two being classified as separate species:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0018442X04700335
The FST between two gorilla species, Gorilla gorilla and Gorilla beringei is 0.04 or 1/6 the difference between Blacks and Whites:
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/klu/bioc/2005/00000014/00000009/00004781;jsessionid=ebk3f9ja9mb61.alexandra?format=print
http://www.berggorilla.org/fileadmin/gorilla-journal/gorilla-journal-20-english.pdf
The FST between humans and Neanderthals is less than 0.08 or about 1/3 the Black-White difference:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0018442X04700335
http://www.pnas.org/content/100/11/6593.abstract
http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/19/8/1359.full
The FST between humans and homo erectus is 0.17 which is ¾ the Black-White distance:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0018442X04700335
Thus, whites and blacks are more genetically distant than two different chimpanzee species, two different gorilla species, humans vs. Neanderthals, and humans vs. homo erectus.
>>70385738
It exists. See: mixed race people and organ donations.
A European's body will reject transplants from non-Europeans.
>>70392826
You're not proving anything. Now you're just deflecting with junk 'evidence', which is improperly represented by the way, and bait comments.
>>70392834
>Genetic differences between human populations
>Almost identical
you fucking lefties i swear.
>>70392834
>>70392730
>>70392629
>>70392959
>we can tell what you look like and how you act on average from DNA alone yet somehow that's not "useful" information
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/science/building-face-and-a-case-on-dna.html
>>70392826
I don't know, why does the right get so butthurt just because he's talking to a more intelligent man from likely the same political compass? Oh wait not everyone from the right acts the same, just like with race.
>>70392730
Wait, wait. Hold on. You're telling me that when confronted with complex numbers and data, Humans usually generalize or round out to make things simpler to understand? Holy SHIT! This is the most amazing news ever, and proves that those groups of millions of genes that generally do the same things for the same groups that carry then, can't be rounded or generalized into easier to understand categories. Totally.
>>70392953
Same thing happens with blood transfusions from different blood types. So what? This isn't evidence of significant difference, just the great specificity of the human body when it comes to the autoimmune response. Of course closer related populations will have higher rates of success for transplants. Please learn science and medicine before you spew your idiocy.
>>70385738
Saying you don't understand an argument doesn't disprove it
The idea is that race is a social construct and that people have this racial prejudice against others for no reason other than social stigma for no good reason.
Your argument is essentially not understanding how people can be religious if God doesn't exist.
What these people fail to understand is that in language we create words with meanings. The idea of races was created because we can physically see the difference between humans. Just like how the idea of "classes" is a social construct but it still has a real meaning separating people based on different features, in this case it's economic prosperity. Ask any of these fucking retards if they could tell the difference between someone from Norway and someone from Nigeria, if they could pick out an Aboriginal or a Japanese person out of a line up. These are hands-down definitive proof that there are differences between people based on geographic location yet they'll just assert that "oh, that's just on the outside, they couldn't possibly be different inside" regardless of definitive evidence to the contrary about brain size, IQ, hormones and muscle fiber type.
Just about everything is a social construct just like nothing is truly wrong or right. Saying this as an argument for the world around us is a joke.
>>70392730
>If race truly exists then there can be no in between
Why? Is it impossible for something to have genes that are predominantly African while also having some genes that are white?
>>70393024
>They can even pinpoint just how "European" Ashkenazi jews are with genetics yet somehow race doesn't real
kek
http://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html
>>70392986
So on top of that you have trouble with reading comprehension.
>>70393208
apparently mutts don't exist
my pupper will be sad ;_;
>>70393024
No one's denying it's useful, it just still doesn't define what race even is. Even your own data shows that there's a great amount of genetic variety between similar races. Race is merely a simple term that only still sees use because of its social convenience.
>>70393281
Nah just pointing out your doublethink.
>>70393167
But...that is a significant difference. The blood is not compatible. You're literally proving him right.
"There's huge genetic differences that result in medical incompatibilities? So what? All that means is Humans differ and that related populations with related genes will be more successful in medical compatabilities"
>>70393281
>>70393078
>>70393405
>assuming you ignore all the evidence to the contrary we are all identical
>>70393421
How exactly is it doublethink. I said almost identical, key word 'almost.' So my statement isn't contradictory.
>>70393512
then it's not identical is it?
>>70393597
>>70393449
No, it isn't. Seriously if you don't understand specificity then you don't even understand basic biology.
>>70393675
>>70393732
>>70385738
First, no reasonable person can argue that white privilege applies to the great majority of whites, let alone to all whites. There are simply too many variables other than race that determine individual success in America.
And if it were true, why would whites commit suicide at twice the rate of blacks (and at a higher rate than any other race in America except American Indians)?
White men, whom the left argue are the most privileged group of all in America, commit 7 of every 10 suicides in America — even though only 3 of 10 Americans are white males.
Whatever reason one gives for the white suicide rate, it is indisputable that, at the very least, considerably more whites than blacks consider life not worth living.
To argue that all these whites were oblivious to all the unique privileges they had is to stretch the definition of “privilege” beyond credulity.
>>70393597
Did you even read what I said? You're just proving that you can't even read at this point.
>>70393769
>>70385738
Its literally doublethink
>>70393822
I read that you think every race is identical which is hilarious
>>70391514
thanks mr skeltal
>>70393822
and you reject all genetic evidence and physical that proves you wrong.
>>70385738
"Race is a social construct" simply means that racial categories are something which are defined and created by men, which is true. Any kind of classification is a social construct. Animal categories such as mammals, reptiles, birds, etc. are social constructs too. The difference between plant life and animal life is also socially constructed.
What this statement does NOT mean is "race doesn't exist". Of course race exist. Saying that there is no difference between the races because "race is a social construct" is akin to saying that there is no difference between plants and animals.
People who say "race is a social construct" are usually braindead lefturd morons, and they should be dismissed
>>70393816
Second, there are a host of privileges that dwarf “white privilege.”
A huge one is “two-parent privilege.”
If you are raised by a father and mother, you enter adulthood with more privileges than anyone else in American society, irrespective of race, ethnicity or sex.
That’s why the poverty rate among two-parent black families is only 7 percent.
Compare that to a 22 percent poverty rate among whites in single-parent homes. Obviously, the two-parent home is the decisive privilege.
Another “privilege,” if one wants to use that term, that dwarfs “white privilege” is “Asian privilege.” Asian-Americans do better than white Americans in school, on IQ tests, on credit scores and on other positive parameters.
In fact, Asians are about to surpass whites as the wealthiest group of Americans.
Will the left soon complain about Asian privilege?
>>70394102
>>70392834
>How is any of this significant?
The genetic differences between the races cause very important average differences in intelligence. We're talking about two standards of deviation of IQ difference.
>>70393962
I never said that. More evidence of your literal inability to read or inability to properly represent opposing arguments. I said that all humans share an almost, read almost you mongoloid, identical genome. Humans are more than 99.9% similar. That's what I said. Racial differences are due to minuscule genetic variations.
>>70394251
You are also 99% genetically identical to a Chimp you fucking moron
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2012/06/bonobos-join-chimps-closest-human-relatives
It's the differences that matter.
>>70394251
And those 'minuscule variations' are the physical representation of race, glad you finally get that.
>>70393729
Humans and bananas share 99% DNA. The smallest percentage difference is actually a HUGE difference in our macroverse.
>>70394251
You're committing the "it's only small variation" fallacy.
Just because the genetic variation between humans is small doesn't mean that it yields very stark and important phenotypical differences. A .001% variation is enough to produce swedes, japanese, australian aboriginals, niggers, etc.
Heck, a single faulty gene can cause such havoc.
>That's what I said. Racial differences are due to minuscule genetic variations.
To conclude, minuscule genetic variations which have a huge impact.
>>70394251
That is a bad argument because many mammals, or even just animals, share many genes with humans. Cows, for example, share 80% of the human genome (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/324/5926/522.full). The percentage is irrelevant in classification. What matters is general traits. We are different from cows because we are bipedal.
>>70392730
You're just opposing your definition of the word race to the more common understanding of the world. What most people understand by OP's statement, is that there is no disparity between different gene pools of different populations, which would be ludacris to deny.
>>70392730
> If race truly exists then there can be no in between.
Of course there can. They're called "mixed race" people.
I bet you think dog breeds don't exist either because different breeds can produce mutts
>>70394572
I never denied that there are differences. I denied that the differences that are present are enough to separate the races into something akin to different species. This is what I've been arguing the whole time. You all just assume that I am denying the existence of race since I don't sperg out and claim that these people are sub-humans or whatever.
>>70392923
thanks for the sources.
>>70392203
DEM 2 SKULLS LOOK DA SAME IDUNNO WHAT U TALKIN BOUT WHITE BOY
>>70395110
>I denied that the differences that are present are enough to separate the races into something akin to different species.
Why? Because it hurts your feelings?
Whenever there is variation, you can technically create a classification.
As for race in particular, the genetic variation is ample enough to warrant the creation of racial classifications.
>>70394479
This.
Why shouldnt bananas be classified as humans? And if you eat a banana, you should be punished as if you killed 99% of a human.
Chihuahuas and grey wolves literally have more in common genetically than europeans and dindus.
So someone please tell me again how racism is unfounded scientifically, and if you notice behavior differences between races, you are a dumb bigot.
>>70395110
>Different species
that was never discussed, this is a thread about race, races are different, just because we can generate viable off-spring between races does not make us the same.
>>70395110
Different species cannot reproduce fertile offspring.
No one thinks this. We have words for the different groups of people. The problem is people want to change those meanings to fit a PC narrative in some naive and vain attempt to please everyone.
It's not difficult. Racism is the belief that race exists in such a way that different races have different abilities, biologically-based.
So a liberal would say "that's not true." and yet they can also accuse someone who does believe it's true of being a racist. The liberal position is not that race literally does not exist. They can see that there are different races of people, they just don't believe it means anything.
But, interrogating their positions like this isn't the correct response to them. The correct response is to just accept being called a racist. This ends the conversation.
>>70395354
>Different species cannot reproduce fertile offspring.
They sometimes can, actually.
The definition of "species", "sub species" and "race" are quite murky, because they predate genetic testing.
The more precise way of talking about these things is only focusing on genetic variation. There have been some good graphs about human genetic variation in this thread.
>>70395378
I was with you until your solution became to just give up. What kind of message does that send to them? Oh, hey guys, if you get into an argument about race and you're losing, just call them racist and you win.
We need to quickly and plainly debunk their garbage logic in a non-emotionally stimulating way. Figure it out, don't just quit.
>>70395522
Please show me two separate species reproducing with an offspring that can also reproduce.
http://aaronhood.net/wp-content/SocialConstructionRace.pdf
Sorry to disrupt the echo chamber, but this is the seminal paper used by libs to argue against race as biology. If you want some actual points articulated by PhDs to refute instead of bashing strawmen ad nausea, read this.
>>70395522
I was always told that every species inside the same Genus has the potential to generate offspring? granted most of the time that offspring will be sterile.
Than again It has been almost a decade since my last Biology class
>>70395210
>Why? Because it hurts your feelings?
No, because the racial genetic differences aren't distinct enough for the races to be classified as such. Traits that belong to Western Europeans on average can also belong to individuals of other races. You're just arguing averages, not facts for all individuals involved.
>>70395764
>VCU
fucking hell
>>70395811
The racial differences ARE enough to classify the different people as different races. That's why you're even using the word race in the first place. Stop trying to change it to conform to a more specific and at the same time alienating definition.
The more specific a classification of Humans is, the less people it applies to, because it then begins to break down. Some of the qualities required for specific classifications wouldn't fit others, so then we'd need new words and meanings for more classifications that fit them, and so on ad nauseum.
>>70385738
Biologists determined that all of humanity is one species.
By the Biological definition of a species humans maintain 7 of the right barriers which habitat (i.e angleo Australians are clearly not adapted to Australia and would die without technology).
While there are other species (such as grizzly and polar or Lamas and Camels) that also break a low number of barriers they are also considered separate species.
The definitions that separate species can get pretty inconsistent and frivolous because biology doesn't neatly slide into categories like we want it to.
Regardless, liberals take the notion of humans being one species as meaning there are no differences between individuals. They fail to realize that a single mutation can be enough to separate a species if it creates enough barriers prevent biological fusion (reverse speciation).
Hell one may consider racism as behavioral barrier.
>>70395811
yes, there are things called outliers. You don't classify black man based on an exact match to a genetic print out, you match him based on how close he is tot he group's norm and how close that group is to any other group around the world.
>>70396061
Again, read my previous posts. I have no issues with the concept of race. I have an issue with idiots claiming that the races can be classified as distinct species when in fact they cannot.
>>70395624
It's not giving up. You own the racist title. Make them argue why being racist is wrong.
Otherwise you're falling in line with the moral code they have laid out.
>>70396233
no one said species faggot
>>70396133
Wow I really fucked this up
>7 of eight reproductive barriers, which is habitat
>while there are other species that also MAINTAIN a low number of barriers
>As meaning there are no differences among the races
>>70396321
Oh really?
>>70395210
>>70395522
Go back further and you'll see that's what people were implying as well.
>>70395624
You don't win by playing the game, as it's ultimately not based in logic. If you call them on logical inconsistencies in their surface-level argument, they'll retreat into the theory of structural oppression and invisible privilege which is unfalsifiable. You can't disprove it and they can't prove it.
At that point, it becomes an argument based on emotion. There's an entire set of theory based on "lived experiences" vs actual evidence, as evidence is considered inherently biased due to the systems of oppression (still in place) that produced the evidence. Therefore all evidence you can even procure will be considered automatically biased.
You can go up against that entire apparatus, but you'll get tired far before the argument is resolved. It's better to not give them any time and simply refuse to humor the argument.
>>70395676
Dogs and wolves, I think. Anyways, it's not really relevant. All I meant was that species classifications can be inaccurate because they were elaborated 2 centuries ago.
>>70395811
>No, because the racial genetic differences aren't distinct enough for the races to be classified as such.
But that's wrong. Ample proof has already been posted in this thread. You can easily google "genetic racial differences" if you want to know more.
This is the point where you are being a libturd braindead nigger. You are in DENIAL . You say that the genetic racial differences "aren't distinct enough" out of pure ideology, as the facts point to the opposite.
> Traits that belong to Western Europeans on average can also belong to individuals of other races
And traits belonging to potatoes are also found in humans. It's quite clear you have absolutely no knowledge in genetics. You're just another meme-spouting redditor niggerloving cuck leftist. Go away.
>>70395764
>Audrey Smedley, Anthropology, School of World Studies, and African
American Studies, Virginia Commonwealth University
intothetrashitgoes.jpg
>>70396426
Is the word "species" triggering your little cuckold brain, you feeble-minded idiot?
Do you often break down crying when people say the "s word"?
Fucking idiot. Whether you call it species, race, or "oiazjdoiajzodiaj" it is EXACTLY THE SAME.
>>70385738
>needs someone with an education in genetics/biology/anthropology to answer a very complicated question
>comes to 4chan
Good job, OP.
Anyway, to answer your question as best I can though I'm not educated in one of those fields - it's not that genetic differences don't exist, they do, it's that what you have been taught are the racial categories, is rather arbitrary.
Human evolution is complicated. There are dozens of different groupings of populations that lived independently, and each of those has dozens more of sub types. It's not as simple as "Asian" "Latino" "Nigger" "White", etc.
THOSE categories, the ones I just mentioned, are a social construct. We made them up. If you're going to argue that race exists, you've got to actually back it up with scientific data and differentiate the different populations based on their genes. No one has really done this yet. For example, how close are Japanese and Chinese genetically? No one knows. Or how close are Somalis and Ethiopians? No one knows. For that matter, are Irish and Italians the same race? No one really knows.
In summary - there are genetic differences but no one has mapped them out, so acting like you know what the racial categories are is a bit far-fetched.
>>70396256
Australia is right
>>70396233
>I have no issues with the concept of race.
You are denying that racial differences are very real. You're another race denier, I'm sure you think niggers are just as smart as whites and that the reason why they're so fucking stupid is because "muh culture".
>>70396502
What are you even arguing anymore? I didn't deny the existence of race, I denied that the racial differences that do exist are enough for human races to be categorized as different species. If you think that the differences are enough, then show me evidence of actual scientists making this argument. Literally no one thinks this in the scientific community.
>>70386117
It's like saying
>Class is a social structure (which it is)
>You're a fucking rich person
>Why are you holding the poor people down?
Class is a social construct but what I said still makes sense.
>>70396631
>No one has really done this yet. For example, how close are Japanese and Chinese genetically? No one knows. Or how close are Somalis and Ethiopians? No one knows. For that matter, are Irish and Italians the same race? No one really knows.
Are you for real? Fucking stupid leaf. Human genetic variation has been studied for the past 20 years, you stupid cuckold syrup nigger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_variation
Plenty of graphs have been posted in this thread!! Read it instead of licking Jamal's balls.
>>70385935
This. Reddit is 16-25 year old autists, but imgur is 25-44 year old autists.
>>70396598
>>70396658
This is just you being triggered and misrepresenting me and my arguments. You're not interested in an actual discussion, you just want to project onto me the typical beliefs of your hated opposition. Discuss my points honestly, don't misrepresent them.
>>70396631
>>70396759
As for your "no one knows" claims (stupid cuckold...)
Here are genetic distances for europeans :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Europe#Autosomal_genetic_distances_.28Fst.29_based_on_SNPs_.282009.29
Here are genetic distances for asians :
https://pmsol3.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/journalpone0003862t001.jpg
>no one knows
Just because you're an ignorant niggerlover doesn't mean that no one knows...
>>70396759
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_variation
wow that was a fast response, Cletus.
Take your dick out of your mouth for one second. I'm not a fucking liberal. I hate niggers more than you, I guarantee it.
But you're still wrong. Just because we've looked at mitochondrial DNA doesn't mean we've figured out what each marker means.
>>70396851
>This is just you being triggered and misrepresenting me and my arguments.
No I'm not. Your argument is literally "don't use the word species because it hurts my feelings". Kill yourself you niggerloving cuckold.
> Discuss my points honestly
I honestly have, at length. You are in denial. You say that "the differences aren't important enough" out of PURE IDEOLOGY.
>>70385738
>According to science
But that's wrong. According to science, there are plain and distinct differences between all races.
This isn't found in just any specific field, this is found universally in all fields of science (physiology, biology, chemistry of the body, etc) and pseudo-sciences (like psychology, phenology, penology). The differences range from visible phenotypes to deep genotypes, they range from behavioral trends to behavioral quirks, they show up in the skeleton formation, the time of gestation, the development of their infants, and more. Literally everything about a person. This is race, and this is fact.
If you don't want to call them "race", then fine. Call them white breeds and brown breeds. Call them different sub-species. Heck, there are less differences between some true distinct species that can't interbreed than there are between Asians and Blacks. Whatever you do, you have to call them something, because differences are what make us human and describe why we were so wildly successful at taking over every land-based corner of the planet we live on.
>>70396989
>Take your dick out of your mouth for one second. I'm not a fucking liberal.
Even worse, you're a fucking cucknadian. You're probably in your cuckshed right now while your gf is getting ravaged by Jamal.
>But you're still wrong.
No I'm not. I'm just BTFO you. The graceful thing would be to stop posting and reconsider your life.
>>70396971
nice, you automatically assumed I'm a "nigger-lover"
Wow. Just. Wow. You're more insufferable than a SJW, do you realize that? You have no idea who I am. You have no idea if I'm conservative or if I hate Muslims (which I do) or recognize that niggers commit far more crime than anyone else (I do). but you immediately assume I'm a liberal because I'm Canadian and I don't believe we understand genetics as well as you pretend.
So as long as we're assuming things based on flags, don't you need to go rub one out to tentacle porn right now?
>>70393769
>>70393851
>tfw above 120 IQ
>tfw can drink milk
thanks burger and castillian genes
>>70390510
>what we currently define as race has little to no meaning in the modern world anymore
are Africoons the best sprinters ever?
are Euros the best swimmers?
HURRR race don;t exist
that's why Bidil was approved only for Africoons? look it up
>>70396692
You can to /pol/ and you are surprised people don't categorize something the same way your professor dose.
Grow up really. You well knew what he had in mind in the first place but you are picky about the word.
Now it seem like you unironically defend Left.
>>70393851
wait, so everyone in Asia is lactose intolerant? So they don't eat cheese or drink milk?
Hmm
>>70397176
>nice, you automatically assumed I'm a "nigger-lover"
The fact that you feel obliged to use quotation marks proves me right. You're such a nigger cuck you're too afraid to say the word niggerlover unquoted. Top kek
>Wow. Just. Wow.
Oh god, reddit please leave. Are you literally shaking as you're typing this? Can't you even?
> You have no idea who I am.
You're a race-denying cucknadian who is saying erroneous things about genetics. Good thing I was here to correct you.
Are you going to actually address the links I posted or are you going to continue your temper tantrum? You're like a butthurt tumblrina who's been called fat.
Fuck off you fucking niggerloving redditor piece of nigger shit. FUCK YOU.
>>70397045
No, my argument is don't use the word species because it is scientifically incorrect to do so. You haven't proven that it is. You just point to variation and I don't dispute that there is variation between human population. There is always variations within a species. You have to prove that the variation within the species is enough for them to be considered actual distinct species. No biologist or actual scientist would make this argument. It's retarded. Talk about chimping out.
>>70393962
Is this map before or after the modern migration period? It's confusing either way.
>>70397322
>don't believe unscientific statements made on an anime neckbeard board
>grow up!!!1!!1!1
Need I say more?
>>70394153
the biggest form of privilege is class. Obama's daughters have far more privilege and opportunity in life than I do, even though I'm a fucking white male. Did they do anything to earn it? No, they just popped out of a lucky vagoo. Class has always been and will always be the biggest determinant. This is why communists are less annoying than modern SJWs.
>>70397379
>No, my argument is don't use the word species because it is scientifically incorrect to do so.
I've already pointed that the word "species" doesn't actually mean anything. The word species, just like race, is actually a social construct.
It's funny how you claim that "species" is this absolute, objective fact of nature, while race is "a social construct". They're both social constructs.
What you're arguing is that you don't believe that an imprecise, antiquated and irrelevant word should be used to describe something. In essence, you are arguing about nothing. Stupid nignog.
>>70395676
Someones outdated in terminology.
The definition of species is murky and uneven
There are eight reproductive barriers scientists consider when determining a species, the more barriers that are broken or aren't present the more scientists consider changing it to a sub-species.
You have four 4 barriers that have priority in the declaration of a separate species, these are the gametic barrier(species can not fertilize another), mechanical (parts don't match) and the Hybrid barriers (hybrid is sterile, Hybrid is weak, Hybrid's kids die).
The other barriers are habitat, behavior and mating seasons.
Plenty of things that differ in habitat, behavioral or temporal that are considered separate species can mate and produce hybrid young, such as ducks, yet they retain their species status because these hybrids are rare and don't impact the population of either parent species.
A good example of two species becoming one are the lake Victoria Cichlids, pollution has blinded both species which depend on coloration to identify with one another so they are blending each other into one species.
You might be thinking that humans may have some obvious barriers, but because it's hard to determine if things like xenophobia and tribalism count as true barriers. People of two separate races do mix, but the majority doesn't, much like how certain close species create hybrids in hybrid zones, but don't do it enough for it to matter.
>>70397533
Arguing against using a term that has a real scientific meaning incorrectly is stupid and makes me a nignog. Alright then, you concede that you're wrong then I presume? You're not providing the evidence I asked for.
>>70396808
god their fucking phrases make it seem like they cant grow up at all
>children = fuck trophies
>making out = mouth battling
>animals are floofs?
the fuck is wrong with them
>>70397485
So it is about that one word or not? You could make a simple correction instead of going full defense mode.
>>70397373
Throwing a tantrum? One of is certainly is, and it's not me. No, at this point I'm not going to look at your links.
It's kind of funny, being like the only racist person I know in a city full of SJW's, and then I come on 4chan and get all-caps screamed at by some nip for being a "cucknadian" lefty.
You have some serious anger issues, dude. No one cares that your penis is only 2 inches long. Get over it.
>>70397807
Yes, it is about that one word and the implications of it. That's what I've been arguing this whole time.
>>70397533
"species" is not a social construct, niptard. It's a scientific term that has a specific meaning. Just because you post a lot doesn't mean you know what you're talking about.
>>70385738
Why people are against current idea of race? Claiming that it doesn't exists is just destroying the current concept. Why?
Perhaps it's inconvenience to some. When you assume that everybody is equal trying to compare people based on races shows that is not true.
Destroying race would remove all racial problems right? Now everybody is equal right? But when you compare people individually they are still not equal.
So you destroy gender... they are still not equal. You destroy classes they are still not equal. You do everything you can to proof your idea is right and they are still not equal.
But who are the people who dare to oppose the progress? Who dears to oppose maddens? Racists!
>>70388953
Why aren't mixed offspring sterile?
>>70397997
The problem with judging people based on race is that this leads to collectivized notions of that race based on mostly negative averages and stereotypes. You are discriminating against an individual simply because he belongs to a certain group. That makes no sense. Judge people as individuals, that's fine. You see a nigger nigging? Judge him all you want. Don't treat the good ones, however few there may be, like niggers though just because they look a certain way though.
>>70398013
Canacuck read
>>70397628
>>70398185
No. Being racist is perfectly logical. It's like, imagine you're a car insurance company. Do you charge the same rate to a 50 yr old woman as you would an 18 yr old boy? No.
Niggers make up 5% of my city's population and commit 90% of the murders, and 75% of the other violent crime.
I've only been robbed twice in my life - both times by niggers. My dad drove a cab back when he was in college and he got robbed at gunpoint by niggers, twice. The second time convinced him to quit.
My gf is from Japan and has only lived in Canada for 1 year. She got assaulted on transit by a she-boon.
So, if I'm interviewing people for a job, will I consider hiring a nigger? Sure, because I can actually talk to them and investigate their past, get a sense of who they are. But if I'm walking down the street and I see a whole pack of niggers, I'm gonna go in another direction. Is that racist? You fucking bet it is, it's also smart.
>>7039818
The problem is you can't judge a random person based off their personality if you're walking by them on the sidewalk. You're forced to judge their physical appearance, which shows who they are as a person, to a degree. Whether it's their race, or their clothes, or how well kept and clean they are
afdsfas
>>70398185
It makes sense. You can't remember everybody you meet. You need some simple guidelines. When situation allows people have individual treatment.
If somebody doesn't want to be judged on account of one group he dose everything to stand out. From what I see everything works and there is no real racism.
>>70398613
Whoops. Was meant for
>>70398185
>>70391365
Leftism is a disease of the mind.
>>70385738
Might as well boil it down do "What the fuck kind of argument is "<insert> is a social construct?"".
Everyone is unconsciously aware of what is a social construct or not. It doesn't invalidate it.
Race is not a social construct, just like gender is not a social construct.
However, they can be used as social constructs. These are called "slang" or "buzzwords".
Most people are just unintelligent and need buzzwords to feed their psychosis. (ie feminists)
It's like how my mom calls me a nigger on a daily basis in private, but in public she wouldn't dare. She needs to call me a nigger to make herself feel better, regardless of the intended use of the word, because she's mentally ill on a genetic level thanks to her father's side of the family (who are also all closet sociopaths at birth, actual sociopaths by adulthood, and become full-blown psychopaths by 60 without anti-psychotics).
It's a tough time to be a straight white male of sound mind and body. We have to persevere or watch history (ie Rome) repeat itself.
If current trends stay as they are, hopefully I'll die before I hit 40 so I don't have to watch myself slowly lose control of my mind.
>>70392382
>what race you are
the problem here, if you read some other replies in the comments, is that the perimeters of race is completely arbitrary. all blue eyes, all detached ear lobes, all 6 fingered asian men above 5'11''.
Race is a word for physical characteristics, not genetics.
>>70398430
Making judgements based on appearance isn't technically racism. If you see some nigger coming toward you and he's wearing the typical nigger garb then it makes sense to judge him to be a thug. He's not doing anything to prevent that image from being shown. If you see a black person walking down the street dressed in normal clothing and acting normally, it would be racist to assume that they're a criminal out to get you just because they're black though.
>>70398655
See above, we seem to more or less agree. Although I think there is such a thing as real racism. What we're describing here isn't racism. It's proper cautionary behavior. Racism is discriminating despite having ample proof that the person in question isn't a thug, just because they happen to be black.
>>70398613
see above.
>>70398921
Those physical characteristics are the products of genes.
>>70391365
gonna go out on a limb here...
to be fair, these individuals probably came from a background in poverty. Possibly cherry picked for inbreeding?
>>70399363
Yeah but it goes beyond that. For example, if you're a cab driver in Toronto, DO NOT go to the black neighbour hood to pick up or drop off a fare, and DO NOT let black men in your car. If you follow those simple rules you will not get robbed.
>>70396700
its only "like" saying that, its not actually saying that because like nearly all nu-marxists, they are mis-applying the class struggle theory to race and gender.
race and gender are not classes, or groups, they are demographics. its like being a ginger nationalist, it makes just as much sense
>>70385738
I could actually explain the race is a social construct line of thought from an academic perspective but not sure if I anyone actually wants to hear it though
