Does /pol/ support the North Carolina anti-LGBLT bill?
Why don't you summarize it for us?
>>70383786
Religious business owners (aka Christians) can refuse to serve a customer if they're gay.
Also trans people are barred from using bathrooms of their chosen gender.
It's bigotry in its purest form.
>>70383715
of course and i love how other states are considering following in their footsteps. Hell even here in WV my pastor had a couple faggots demand he marry then. Luckly here at least he can get away with telling them to fuck off but still.
>>70383715
Open your own gay bakery faggot
>>70383880
I'm for the second part but not the first.
I'm fine with LGB but not T, I really hate how theyre always lumped together.
>>70383880
Does this apply to government-approved card carrying gays and "trans people" and what a "chosen gender" is along with the necessary marking for violations to be adjudicated in a court of law?
>>70383880
Not bigoted. Just personal choice to not condone mental illness.
>>70383917
>>70383891
Bigots
>>70383880
>Allowing business's to make their own choices about who they do business with
>bigotry
If you pass as a woman or man and you, like a normal person, go to the bathroom and mind your own business then nobody is going to notice. FFS, if there wasn't a law people will then be able to abuse it and do asinine stuff.
The very fact that people don't use this argument proves corrupt intentions. Same batshit insanity as people saying voter ID is wrong.
>>70383715
It's North Carolina's right as a state.It could be the first step.
>>70383985
Why do fags need to shop in Christian stores anyway. Keep to your truckstop gloryholes and standard fuckparties and leave the normies alone.
>>70383715
Nah, I know some friends who go on >>>/lgbt/ and they ARE FURIOUS about this bill.
And yeah I really do have friends there, why because fuck you, that's why
>>70384078
>violating the Constitutional rights of gay people is a right
>>70383715
What is this comic trying to say?
Intolerance is protected by the first amendment. I have the right to associate and not associate with whom I choose.
What libcucks don't seem to understand is that state rights are a good thing. If a particular state doesn't support trannies and fags, then you have the freedom to live somewhere else. Overall, this results in people picking and choosing where to live and everyone can be happy by moving to places that fit their political views.
>>70384075
>voter ID
>tfw India is more advanced than you
>>70384052
faggot, stay the fuck out of NC
>>70383880
The only problem I have with being able to refuse service to a gay customer is that they can only do it on religious grounds.
Anybody should be able to refuse service to anyone for any reason. Kind of a fundamental aspect of liberty.
>>70383880
Bigotry is already legal, this law only affirms the right to refuse service which businesses already have.
No one on Earth has the right to force someone to do business with them.
>>70384115
>why because fuck you, that's why
because you like getting pozzed in the neghole?
just more christian sharia from the worlds biggest victim group
>>70384248
The fact private business isn't allowed to refuse service to anyone for any reason is retarded
Private businesses should have the right to choose their clients. If people don't like it, they can vote with their dollars and take their business elsewhere. That's how the free market works.
How is this even a discussion?
>>70383880
so, free market type shit
why are people mad, this just opens opportunity for chick with a dick to open his own Pro-LGBT shop
>>70383880
> mentally ill fags use the bathroom they're suppose to use
Yeah, very discriminatory.
>>70383880
Not allowing Gays to hunt down Christians bakers and slap them with frivolous lawsuits is discrimination!
>Also trans people are barred from using bathrooms of their chosen gender.
>"bigotry in its purest form"
1/10 you aren't trying
>>70384293
>oy vey it's like muh Sharia
>we need freedom in this country
>now bake me a cake or I'll send your ass to jail
>>70384150
What about State rights?You know, the 10th Amendment?
>>70383715
>>70383880
>>70384052
>>70384150
>it's okay when muslims do it
>>70383880
>Religious business owners (aka Christians) can refuse to serve a customer if they're gay.
That's the way it should be though. Anyone should be able to refuse service to anyone for any reason just as they should be able to refuse to hire someone for any reason.
Homosexual business owners should also have the right to deny service to Christians if they really want to.
In the end, the people without any bias will win out economically because they will get the most business.
we must abolishing the first amendment!
>>70383880
It makes sense. You can't (shouldn't be able to) force people to give up their freedom of association. That's what state division, essence of countries are for. And if countries has communities of such disparities as the US, then taking away freedom of association is what's needed to perhaps start a second civil war for territorial (probably mostly state) rights for separating by..
>choose
>>70384462
>>70384435
>>70384402
>>70384393
>>70384509
>>70384486
Are you Trump voters by any chance?
>>70384052
Don't walk up North faggot...
>>70384059
This is what I struggle with when I think about the issue. Your property, your rules.
But I think a distinction must be made between your private residence, and having a business in which you invite the public in to purchase your goods. Besides, it doesn't make any economic sense - those faggots are in your store, ready to fork over hundreds of dollars, and you want to boot them out because you think it's degenerate?
>>70384545
>unable to refute their arguments
>let's paint them with the Trump brush
Typical liberal tactic when they can't match you intellectually.
>>70383880
>Religious business owners (aka Christians) can refuse to serve a customer if they're gay.
No.... businesses can not be sued or legally forced to preform a service against their religious beliefs IE fags can no longer destroy a baker for not making a gay wedding cake
>>70383880
Last I checked you use the mens bathroom if you have a dingaling and the womans bathroom if you have a hoo-ha.
is this really that difficult?
>>70384706
That's not what the bill is, fuck OFF.
>>70384545
What makes you say that?Do you think it is a bad thing?
>>70383715
my bakery, my choice
>>70384544
in addition -
For those of you against this, you're taking a HUGE step towards a one world government.
Giving up association rights is giving up rights for a collective say, when it all comes down to it.
>>70384751
For "some people" it is.
But then again, we've been pissing and shitting since, I don't know, life magically came to be when cells were invented. So what better vector to get people all upset about obvious things?
>>70384436
THAT is how Sharia treats gays
>fags in the US think nor baking them a cake for their fake marriage is the same
>>70383891
So let me get this straight.
>be a colon commando
>decide to 'marry'
>marriage is a product of western theology that goes back thousands of years
>traditionally between a man and a women
>based on other religious factors as well as the purpose of procreation
>same monotheistic religion for the same amount of time has condoned homosexuality
>be current year
>irrespective of knowing that Christianity condones homosexuality, faggots try to force religious affilates to marry them in holy matrimony
>so the faggots are literally trying to force a marriage from a monotheistic religion who has always condoned their lifestyle, and for what?
This literally makes no sense. If you're a gay faggot, please speak up, because trying to follow this logic doesn't work. It's the same thing as the religious people and the wedding cake. If two faggots want to be recognized as a couple, then it has nothing to do with the church and everything to do with the state. A marriage is not valid until papers are signed and filed at the state level. So why be a raging hypocrite and try to get married in a church from a religion that absolutely hates you to your core? There is no explanation other than being edgy faggots looking for a law suit.
>>70383715
Of course
>>70384545
Are you a Hillary voter by any chance?
>>70384636
It's a poor business practice for sure, but it is still their business. It's an extension of their physical body like any other property.
>>70384772
a mentally ill lying faggot?
how...rare....
>>70383985
Why are you against the rights of businesses? Islamic bakeries refuse to make gay caked all the time and never a fuss is made.
>>70384636
>>70384998
The real question is how many businesses would even know you are a faggot unless you are one of those people who go around with a dick literally in your ass or you are shouting it when you come in the store?
>>70383715
This cartoon is actually a perfect illustration of how ignorant they are. It's Kaczynski's Cabin Boy, use identity privileges to destroy rights.
>>70384150
>he thinks there's a constitutional right to any of my property or services
>>70383880
Yes. Business owners are private individuals and should have the right to refuse any business for any reason they see fit.
Yes. You cannot change your biological gender, and therefore if belong one biological gender, then you should use bathrooms for that biological gender.
>>70384231
Agreed.
>>70383715
>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
congress didnt make the law, a state did. this doesnt violate freedom of speech or religion/right to assemble. why do people feel anytime they done get their way that the first amendment is being violated?
>>70384545
Are you an authoritarian cuck by any chance?
>>70385399
If anything, forcing business owners to accept custom that goes against their beliefs is a violation of free speech.
>>70383715
Since when do liberals care about the 1st amendment?
>>70384636
Youre just trying to justify the civil rights act in your head
Stop doing that
If you subscribe to any form of libertarian thought it's highly hypocritical to support it desu
That's exactly why Goldwater (the father of modern libertarian thought) was against it
>>70384998
It's still a negative right. As in using your rights and freedoms to limit the life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness of others. If two guys want to scrape each others assholes, that's fine by me as long as they're not hurting anybody. But like I said, I struggle to find a good side with the issue
>>70385261
I wonder this too. These laws are basically saying that a gay man legally must call his "husband" his wife while in the store. Kinda makes the whole thing ridiculous.
>>70384998
>It's a poor business practice for sure
>>70384636
>it doesn't make any economic sense - those faggots are in your store, ready to fork over hundreds of dollars, and you want to boot them out because you think it's degenerate?
They're in the bible belt, surrounded by homogeneous, like-minded Christians. There's so many of them that they can get favorable laws passed. So far, these bakeries have been small time, family operations, who would probably have to be careful about taking more jobs than they can handle.
My point is, no, this probably isn't hurting them in anyway as they aren't smackdab in the middle of some liberal shithole, surrounded by faggots that want pink cake. Dont decry the practice automatically.
Economics tends to have shades.
>>70383880
If those dykes didn't sue that cake maker this wouldn't have happened.
Yes. If I had kids and some genderqueer fag of the opposite sex tries to piss next to them, he/she will get an ass whooping if I found out.
>>70383880
>Also trans people are barred from using bathrooms of their chosen gender.
I'm all for this. Trans is a mental illness that shouldn't be coddled.
Guess what, if you're trans and want to use 'muh chosen gender bathroom' because you want to feel comfortable, you're making a shit ton of other people using that bathroom feel uncomfortable. Stop being a fucking cunt and just use the right bathroom, it won't kill you
>>70383880
Forcing someone to serve you is called slavery.
I can't believe what I'm seeing. I thought /pol/ was better than this... sighhhh....
>>70385877
I don't really care about gays in general, but I'm so fucking sick of the militant gay groups.
The gays who go into a wedding cake shop and when they are turned away rather than just go to a different cake shop they immediately turn to court and the arena of public opinion; which means that it was NEVER about the cake, it was entirely about them just using their 'repressed status" as faggots like a weapon to exercise power over normal people.
True gays, not people claiming it to fit in, are less than 1% but you would never know it based on what the media or politicians say, name a sitcom in the past decade that didn't have at least 1 faggot
>>70383880
>Religious business owners (aka Christians) can refuse to serve a customer if they're gay.
Preach it.
>Also trans people are barred from using bathrooms of their chosen gender.
Damn straight!
>It's bigotry in its purest form.
Woooooooah there. This took a turn in the wrong direction!
Feeding into the delusions of the mentally ill is harmful to them.
>>70386476
KILL ALL FAGGOTS AND NIGGERS!
Better?
>>70386656
Keep your head on straight. Kill the Jews. Don't hack at the heads of the Hydra. Hack at the Gordian Knot.
>>70386476
read
>>70384544 and >>70384544
>>70383880
>trans people are barred from using bathrooms of their chosen gender.
This is the biggest non-issue ever. Public bathrooms have stalls, who cares who uses them?
>>70384636
Having worked at a Florist for 3 years I wish the owner was antigay
gays were worse customer than niggers or poo in the loos
almost with out exception they would just WAIT for you to get shocked the card would read to Bill from Hank luv u 4 evah
They would have a laundry list of unreasonable demands and always try to bring up the ITS BECAUSE IM GAY card
>>70386503
Won't disagree with you.
I loved Borderlands 2, but goddamn, so many gays. Being gay is a meme now
Are small businesses allowed to turn away gays or trannys if they want to in all states of the US?
And does this still apply to large companies who may have thousands of shareholders or only small family run businesses?
>>70385125
>Islamic bakeries
I agree with you but I don't think that's ever happened.
>>70386748
You can't kill the Hydra without first lopping off heads and searing the wound closed, to try would be fruitless and end with us dead and Jews ruling the world.
>>70384115
Because fuck you? NO, It's because you're a closet faggot. Just come out of the closet. Everyone already knows you like the dicks. They've all known for a long time.
>>70384993
>marriage is a product of western theology that goes back thousands of years
>>70383715
Go be a faggot somewhere else.
>>70383880
i am 100% ok with this, lets go for making it national law.
>>70386907
High energy. My opinion has always been to hack them all off, and that has been a winning strategy in the past.
High energy.
>>70385399
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitlow_v._New_York
>>70383715
Are American Jews against it?
>>70383715
>you have a right to fuck another man in the ass and to force me to recognize that as a marriage
its pathetic how you think your little lies and crocodile tears will make me change
>>70383880
I'm a little uneasy about forcing a company to deliver a product/service for anyone. Though I understand the concern that a certain group could become subjected to oppression because of it and that bad things could happen. Maybe we can only have this rule for products/services that are deemed necessities. For instance maybe grocery stores, doctors, home sellers/renter, stuff like that would be regulated to have to service to people but non-necessities could deny service to anyone for any reason (like cake companies). I'm not comfortable with the idea of letting someone starve to death because the majority hates them and don't want to sell them food.
As far as bathrooms are concerned I don't really give a fuck. And I don't see why anyone else gives a fuck either. I would think we should just have unisex bathrooms only if it wasn't for apparently women ruining bathrooms with their nonflushable tampons and shit. And how are you going to enforce a bathroom law anyways? If someone looks like a lady and is in a man's bathroom are you going to call the cops on them? Then what? Is the cop going to have to look at your junk to verify your gender? Remember, you're not obligated to show your ID. This whole bathroom fiasco seems like a big fucking deal over nothing. If a woman is scared of being raped for some reason, then maybe she should conceal carry a firearm like a normal person.
>>70387355
Are you a woman or what?
>>70383715
No I don't support it and let me tell you why.
I'm as straight as they fucking come. I'm also sneaky as fuck. I'd use that shit in an instant to get into a shower with some ladies and claim in trans.
Then i'd fucking sue anyone who tried to deny me my rights.
>getting paid that sweet settlement monies
Straights win again, transfaggots!
>>70383985
go suck dick in a public bathroom and get pissed on you fucking sodomite
>>70387451
do you even know what 'anti' means?
>>70383880
Go North Carolina!
>>70387572
Take a minute and think.
>>70386952
I really don't get why this is so hard for people to understand.
>>70383880
>business owners refuse to serve customer for any reason
Business owners may reserve the right to refuse service to patrons.
>the menTally ill are not alllowed to indulge in their mental illness
Good.
>>70387795
I did, did you?
the law is directly against what you claim to want to do, you would get no money and go to jail.
>>70383985
Entryism: "You support us, so you also support this, even if it's different!"
>>70383880
Fucking civil rights bullshit. You should be able to hang a window in the store that says "No niggers, no spics, no faggots, no shoes, no shirt, no service".
And anyone who disagrees can go somewhere else to buy their fucking cheesecake or whatever.
Or better yet start your own god damn business catering to liberals. Call it Butt Fuck McGees NO WHITES ALLOWED for all we give a shit.
>>70384293
Maybe faggots shouldn't be specifically offense-shopping for christian churches and bakeries to sue for their golden parachute and 15 minutes of fame?
Perhaps those faggots started this fight and are now whining that they lost it.
>>70383880
Good. Maybe we should stop acting like Fags are 30 percent of the population
>>70388023
Are you having a fucking aneurysm right now or is reading comprehension not your strong suit?
>the law is directly against what you claim to want to do, you would get no money and go to jail.
Which is why I would be AGAINST the law. For fucks sake slow down and think about what you're reading.
Fun fact:
The faggots that sued the specifically christian bakery and put it out of business and ruined the owners lives went to over a dozen bakeries before it trying to find a baker that would refuse to bake a wedding cake with gay shit on it. That is what caused the demand for this law, it didn't appear out of nowhere.
>america
>illegal to pee in the wrong toilet
time ago you were the only great country on earth,now I know western civilization will perish in my lifetime
>>70388493
link pls
It's complete bullshit and the 14 year-old pimple faced socially-inept losers above me are the reason why I'm against it.
>>70383880
It's not bigotry if it's for religious religion. We have freedom of religion.
Gay people can go the fuck away from it. I support it. It's like the whole women for work thing. I can choose to serve who i want and i can choose to hire people that I want. That's a true free market. That's how america should be.
The goverment shouldn't be blamed for bigotry if it's the person is being a bigot. Is the goverment supposed to force people to do this and force people to do that. That's the number one problem with shit like this. People have there own morals. The goverment shouldn't be forcing other morals in other peoples mouth. Some people may not believe it.
Now I am not saying death to all morals, I mean we should have laws and shit. But stuff like this really angers me.
If tl:dr People can have there own morals. The goverment can fuck off. They shouldn't be pushing ideas to people.
>>70383715
>anti-LGBT bill
no, it is a pro freedom of association bill
>>70385709
When it works for them
Can't wait for based Hillary to appoint the next Supreme Court justice to overturn this law.
>>70388835
/THREAD
>>70388668
http://www.queerty.com/oregon-bakery-that-refused-to-serve-gay-wedding-couple-closes-shop-20130903
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/2/christian-bakers-who-refused-cake-order-gay-weddin/
>>70388769
>no, it is a pro freedom of association bill
>though government sanctioned law that centralizes power into the state
Also it has nothing to do with pro "association". There is still an anti-discrimination law in the state of North Carolina that protects people on he basis of race, religion, sex, etc.
>>70388767
Don't you think the government should intervene when a minority of the population persecutes others? If it were muslims denying services to Christians, I doubt you would say anything.
>>70388851
It's a coincidence goy, stop trying to imply it's related.
>>70388356
>No I don't support it and let me tell you why.
>I'm as straight as they fucking come. I'm also sneaky as fuck. I'd use that shit in an instant to get into a shower with some ladies and claim in trans.
because your ability to communicate is so stunted let me help you out. You failed to define 'it' effectively, based on your own post you claim to be against 'it' assumed to be the anti-LGBT law due tot he fact that you are replying to the fucking OP
And then you claim that you will use 'it' to jump in the shower and claim trans; without redefining 'it' leaving me to only assume that you are still refering tot he same object or 'thing' that you used the first 'it' to describe.
How can you be against the law and also claim to use the law to support your trans fetishes?
>>70388851
>>70388914
>christian-bakers-who-refused-cake-order-gay-weddin/
Yes Christians are the ones persecuted. Let's ignore Uganda were Christians are literally pushing for the DEATH PENALTY for LGBT folks.
>>70388851
>more liberal
>3 jewish
>more conservative
>roman catholic
Hmm
>>70383880
>Religious business owners (aka Christians) can refuse to serve a customer if they're gay.
Awesome. There are plenty of people who will bake a rainbow faggot cake. No need to ruin someone's livelihood.
>Also trans people are barred from using bathrooms of their chosen gender.
Even better. There are only two sexes. Transfaggots are mentally ill gay people.
>>70388963
How, in your gay brain, does a law the protects small businesses centralize power?
>>70389024
But how does that affect the price of oil in china anon?
>>70383880
Second part, yes.
First is a little iffy, but I'll just go with a no.
>>70389084
>How, in your gay brain, does a law the protects small businesses centralize power?
>it bans cities and counties from making their own laws
How is that not centralizing power into the hands of the state of North Carolina you stupid fucking fucker? You guys can't can't stand the fact there are gay people in this country. That's why you will abandoned whatever bullshit you spew about "limited government" to attack gays.
>>70388618
>time ago you were the only great country on earth,now I know western civilization will perish in my lifetime
We were great when we didn't allow the mentally ill to dictate policy. Western civilization is perishing because the mentally ill are now dictating policy.
>>70383880
Kill yourself. Just fucking do us all a favor and kill yourself. You're the cancer of the world.
>>70384993
>marriage is a product of western theology that goes back thousands of years
>traditionally between a man and a women
Polygamy is what traditional marriage looks like.
Read the bible, nigga.
>>70389240
>Western civilization is perishing because the mentally ill are now dictating policy.
Christians are mentally ill. I agree.
>>70388987
Nope. People should have freedom of their belief. Police and shit are different, but if your a store owner or something than the goverment should respect those beliefs.
>>70389331
>, but if your a store owner or something than the goverment should respect those beliefs.
I'm more liberal leaning with my beliefs, but I feel like if a business owner doesn't want to serve gay people, they don't have to. It's their choice. It's also the gay people's choice to blast their shit on social media to try to make them look bad if they want. I don't fucking care.
The bathroom thing, if it's a public bathroom I really don't give a damn. I seriously don't care who is using what fucking bathroom. I'm a FUCKING WHITE MALE and I've used the women's bathroom when the men's is full or it's dirty. Don't care.
I'm there to take a shit - I don't anticipate trans people being more likely to rape someone in a bathroom than another person of the same sex (or disguised as the same sex).
>>70389402
>I'm more liberal leaning with my beliefs,
>I support Jim Crow!
>>70383880
Religious biz owners refusing almost certainly violates commerce clause and EP.
The trans people question... might be difficult because trans is not an immutable characteristic (can be changed), but will likely be struck down because this change is hinged on financial assets.
>>70389313
I'd say religious people in general.
>>70386299
The government can force you to pay more for milk, and limit your production on wheat, why can it not force you to cook for gays?
Violates CC and EP. This is dead on the water.
>>70389024
>Yes Christians are the ones persecuted. Let's ignore Uganda were Christians are literally pushing for the DEATH PENALTY for LGBT folks.
>Uganda
>>70389232
You don't understand that there are people that don't want anything to do with you. You don't have to have anything to do with them either.
Why are you trying to force people to cater to you?
>>70388493
>>70388914
I can't find an article that says they went out of their way to find a bakery that would refuse them. I wouldn't doubt it though.
>>70389596
religious and transgender are mentally ill
>>70389453
Private business can't conduct how they want to? That's cool, just remember that the next time you own a nice family business and some known gang members (who unfortunately have nothing illegal on them at the time) frequent your place of business and drive the customers away. Don't you dare tell them to leave - they've done nothing wrong.
>>70389728
>Why are you trying to force people to cater to you?
Well considering LGBT people thought the centuries have been persecuted, with sodomy laws not being struck down in some states ill 2003 for crying out load, I think there is a historical precedence that LGBT folks are protected from discrimination in the same way blacks are, women are, etc. The fact all these laws have passed in retarded bible thumping jesus freak Southern states of the former confederacy, should tell you something.
>>70383715
I believe people should be allowed to have free religious exercise as long as it is not a burden on others.
In this case it is a substantial burden on others.
In my jurisdiction we have gender neutral bathrooms. Most trans use a single or family locker room that locks and is separate, as it should be for their own protection. Most bathrooms here are just 1 stall and gender neutral and larger bathrooms anyone CAN use them but I've never had a FTM trans in ANY room I was ever in exposed with genitals.
I think if they can refuse to serve customers for being gay then they should be able to refuse blacks if their religion says so and that is against our current court rulings.
On the other hand, I feel that as we have no federal anti-discrimination statute including sexual orientation or gender identity as a protected class that we need to pass a new law that allows that, to a minimum you can't be fired or hurt for using a bathroom or wanting a wedding cake.
In short: I think the law is constitutional and appropriate at the state level but its mostly a test to see what the higher courts will say, which is likely that gays have equal rights per 14th amendment which has been a long time coming.
>>70389313
How do you feel about muslims? You know, the people who will be a majority in progressive Europe soon?
>>70389962
>Private business can't conduct how they want to?
I'm a socialist. I don't believe nor support private businesses. Try again retard.
Workers, not private individuals, should control the means of production. Which makes more sense, allowing a handful of individuals to pick our policies towards fossil fuels, or allowing we the people to decide this though our government?
>>70390014
The 14th amendment was a mistake
>>70390074
>How do you feel about muslims? You know, the people who will be a majority in progressive Europe soon?
Muslims aren't the ones in North Carolina or Mississippi taking away people's rights.
>Christians do dumb shit
>but but look at Muslims
>what does that have to do with anything?
>>70390074
Most muslims aren't progressives dipshit
>>70389388
You must be new here
>>70383880
Any business owner can refuse to serve anyone for any reason.
You don't have to tell them you're gay and it shouldn't have to be brought up in conversation. They have no obligation to serve you, if you don't like it find another business.
Trans don't get to use the opposite gender bathroom just because they feel like they can. If you have a penis you use the men's room, if you have a vagina you use the women's room. Again, no one wants to be made uncomfortable just to please you.
>Homosexuals have the Right to have private citizens suspend their values to deal with them
no
>>70390342
>Homosexuals have the Right to have private citizens suspend their values to deal with them
Now replace homosexual with black
>>70384636
>But I think a distinction must be made between your private residence, and having a business in which you invite the public in to purchase your goods.
This distinction was stupid enough before the introduction of the so-called "sharing economy" where the line between your personal and business life gets increasingly blurred. Rent a room out on Airbnb? Use your car for Uber? Congratulations, you're now offering your services to the public, using the same retarded logic that social democrats have used to justify the Civil Rights Act for the last 50 years.
Freedom of association is absolute. If leftist rabbits want to Twitter mob people for not toeing the party line then people have the right to do business with their own property in the manner they choose.
>>70390006
>muh buzzwords
Fags don't have to use the services of businesses that discriminate against them. It's never been easier to open a new business. Just open a business to compete with them and let the free market handle it.
>>70389679
>why can it not force you to cook for gays?
Because it can't force me to cook. Cooking is my choice.
>>70390441
Nice job ignoring everything I wrote in my post and showing your own bigotry and hate.
>>70390378
>Blacks have the Right to have private citizens suspend their values to deal with them.
no
Yes.
The bill protects the religious freedoms of people, so that no one can sue them, or penalize them for being rude.
Pay attention...its not just speech being policed socially in this country. The push is to make rudeness (hate speech, intolerance, bigotry) against the law.
Fortunately, in the US we do have the constitution that is SUPPOSED to give us freedom to practice our religions in our own way..whether that means we don't stand up to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school, or we don't want to bake a gay cake. These choices of ours, are supposed to be protected.
But they ARE under fire, and SC is protecting the 1st amendment right of its people. The 1st amendment is a GUARANTEED right. There is NO guaranteed right that someone won't be offended.
SJWs act like the right to a cake, is of the same level as the right to freedom of religion. And they are not. Our government has guaranteed to protect the practice of religion.
But nobody has the right to demand the government protect their feelings by penalizing someone else who offended them.
Yes, from a constitutional standpoint, I support it. This is a case of 'your feelings end where my rights begin'. And the -only- actual legal right at issue, is the freedom of religion. that is a guaranteed right. But there is no such thing as a right to get a cake, a right to not be offended, a right to make someone treat you nice, or a right to force someone to not be a bigot against you.
>>70390187
>taking away people's rights
Except that's not true.
There is no right that guarantees service to you from any business
There is no right that allows you to use which ever restroom you feel like using
>>70383715
>anti-LGBLT bill
No idea what it is, but I like the sound of it.
>>70390378
the answer is still no, you can ask someone to leave your business at any time, you are not obligated to serve anyone.
to do otherwise is literally slavery
>>70390590
>Except that's not true.
>dude fuck cities and counties deciding what's best for themselves
>dude you can be arrested and sent to jail for going to the bathroom
>dude religious people can't be fired for their religious views in Mississippi
>>70390006
You didn't answer his question.
What gives you the right to force someone to do something for you? Do people exist to serve you?
>>70390484
Likewise faggot
>>70390378
Black is a skin color
Homosexuality is a BEHAVIOR
fucking retard
>>70390118
>I'm 19, the post.
>>70388914
I think >>70388668 was asking for a link to your proof that the homeos went to several bakeries before the Jeebus one.
>>70390814
>Black is a skin color
>Homosexuality is a BEHAVIOR
When did you CHOOSE to be straight anon?
>>70383880
Fuck you, they have every goddamn right to shoo any unwanted patron.
>>70390549
Just wait until muslims start doing this shit.
>>70390806
>What gives you the right to force someone to do something for you?
GOVERNMENT
Government gives me the right to force you to do what I want, as it should be.
>>70383715
>>70383880
>>70384052
>its bigotry
>bigots
If you had a business (lol, you won't) you wouldn't think twice about denying entry to "bigots". Funny how that works, you want your faggot safe spaces, but cry foul when the behavior is reciprocated by others, and the faggots denied.
You're a failure, tough shit. You have no moral right or credibility.
>>70390806
Don't bother dude, socialist faggots can't into positive rights. The collapse will take care of them, don't worry. r-strategists don't last long when the shit hits the fan.
If a business provides a service to someone, they should have to provide that service equally, in my opinion.
They should have the right to refuse to specific requests.
Like they can't refuse an order for a cake, but they can refuse to put 2 male figures on the top or whatever.
>>70390752
>to do otherwise is literally slavery
>I don't know what slavery
>>70390118
>Workers, not private individuals
Workers are private individuals unless you consider workers to be state property.
>>70390549
Well said.
There's nothing in the bill that says gays can't get married, just that people who are uncomfortable with gay marriage don't have to participate. I'm fine with this.
I'm not about to walk into a Jewish or Muslim owned restaurant and demand pork.
>>70390856
Don't compare you sin to my skin faggot
A faggot can walk into a store and not be know as a faggot I can not walk into a store and NOT be black
Honestly theres probably a guy out there saying he chooses to be a female just so he can rape girls in bathrooms,locker rooms, or showers. Fuck that chosen gender shit
>>70390187
You literally JUST used "christians" in Uganda as a deflection not 10 minutes ago, and now muslims elsewhere is suddenly an invalid deflection?
Wew lad.
>>70390006
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHA HOLY SHIT YOURE TRIGGERED YOU FUCKING FRUIT CAKE MOTHER FUCKER BWHAHAHAHAAHA CRY MORE CUNT
>>70389388
Jim Crow was the government telling businesses they had to discriminate you fucking retard. That's why it's all bad.
>>70391031
>I'm not about to walk into a Jewish or Muslim owned restaurant and demand pork.
>gay people wanting medical care is the same as making Muslims eat pork!!!!!111!!!!!1!!!!!!!!
>>70383715
Yes I support HR2.
And this is as someone in NC that has worked with and been friends with LGBT. Though I do try to avoid too much company with them.
A lot of people in Chapel Hill, a notoriously liberal location in the state have freaked out about this, but the Chancellor claimed they will continue to uphold their own inclusive policies in spite of the law. They are scared because the real world doesn't want to change for to be convenient to their perversion.
I have seen a man in dress in the men's room before here anyways. Better in there than in the women's room (or as some might say, skirt wearing person or whatever else).
>>70390986
>Forced to preform an action against one's will due to the threat of force
>not slavery
wew
>>70391098
>You literally JUST used "christians" in Uganda as a deflection not 10 minutes ago, and now muslims elsewhere is suddenly an invalid deflection?
What percent of Americans are Muslims?
>>70384052
Buzzwords
>>70383715
BATHROOM BILL
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
AMERICA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
BATHROOM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>inb4 at least we have them.
>>70391123
>Yes I support HR2.
I wish a gay person could beat the shit out of you.
>>70391158
What percentage of Ugandan Christians are living in America? 0% because theyre in Uganda you poof
>>70391158
Isn't it like, 2% like the Jews are 2%?
>>70391107
>Jim Crow was the government telling businesses they had to discriminate you fucking retard.
Look up de-facto segregation in the North you fucking retarded fucker before you start spewing your bullshit.
>>70383880
I don't think the law goes far enough. I think there shouldn't be a religious exemption. A business owner should be able to serve/not serve whoever they like. That includes faggots, trannies, commies, dune coons, and niggers.
>>70390195
No, but the progressives are the reason they're there dipshit.
>>70389008
Jesus christ I swear if I ever met someone as autistic as you in real life I'd slap your shit m8.
>Does /pol/ support the North Carolina anti-LGBLT bill?
durr what is 'it"
>>70383880
>implying bigotry is bad
I support the religious freedom but for libertarian reasons.
Basically, I think running your own business means you have the right to distinguish who is and is not your customer.
So having the right to run a business means having the right to FAIL a business. Discriminating, even on religious grounds, is a tone deaf measure as a business owner and invites your competitors to seize on your market share.
So with this bill, you get to exercise your religious belief in a business arena and learn a valuable lesson about public fucking relations when your business tanks.
>>70391280
>What percentage of Ugandan Christians are living in America? 0% because theyre in Uganda you poof
American Christians have been pushing for the Uganda law to kill gay people. Stop trying to deny it. I called you out on your bullsht.
>>70391123
The bathroom thing concerns me.
There are a lot of comments from trans people alluding to fucked up pedophilic shit.
If they could use that as an excuse to creep on children, that is fucked up.
>>70391371
>That includes faggots, trannies, commies, dune coons, and niggers.
Nice to know the people who support this are so "tolerant" and "not bigoted."
>>70391421
Not my fault you dropped out of High School.
>>70390195
No shit, and Europe won't be either when the muslims are the majority. It is the so called "progressives" that are demanding infinite muslim refugees into europe. I was trying to point out how liberals hate christians for not accepting gays yet seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that muslims are even more anti-liberal values than the christians they fear so much. If liberals were capable of having a consistent value system they would be keeping muslims out of western societies.
>>70391111
If a doctor doesn't want to work with a gay person they can find one that does. There are hundreds of doctors that will.
If I want some pork, I'll go to a different restaurant.
This isn't that hard.
>>70383880
Can't we just move the gays to the gender neutral gas chamber?
>>70383880
Yes, I support it.
I don't even hate gays, I just think that private business owners should have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. If people don't like it, they should boycott the business.
As for transsexuals... if you base who is allowed in what bathroom based on their own subjective feelings, then the whole concept of segregated bathrooms becomes meaningless. If someone claims to be "genderfluid" for instance, should they be allowed to use either bathroom depending on how they feel that week?
>>70391449
Show me the proof you little poof
>>70391596
>If a doctor doesn't want to work with a gay person they can find one that does.
I'm dying, I need medical care RIGHT NOW! Would an entire hospital of Christians let me die? Answer the fucking question.
>>70391449
>American Christians have been pushing for the Uganda law to kill gay people
U wot m8?
[Citation needed]
>>70383715
Absolutely. I hope stronger legislation follows and similar bills are passed elsewhere.
>>70391541
>If liberals were capable of having a consistent value
most of them are female. so forget it.
>>70391512
No one is required to be tolerant princess. Sry your feelings got hurt rush off to that safe space.
>>70391670
>Show me the proof you little poof
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/_i_kill_them_hbo_s_vice_goes_to_uganda_to_see_what_american_anti_gay_christians_have_created
>>70391676
I sure hope so.
>>70391715
>Sry your feelings got hurt rush off to that safe space.
I'm glad you bigots are dying out. I can't wait for Hillary to be president so I can SHOVE IT IN YOUR FACE!
>>70383715
>right to use the women's bathroom as a man
Thats funny can someone point out the amendment which says this is a right?
Also funny they mention the first amendment considering that they will force religious folks to make a cake for a gay couple, despite this violating the first amendment directly.
>>70391676
Well maybe dont make it your identity? When I go into an ER I dont start telling them I love big tits so you shouldnt tell them you love getting fucked in your hairy ass with big black cocks, cuck.
>>70391512
By that same logic, some faggots and trannies can open a bakery and not serve cis white heterosexual Christian men.
>>70391699
>Absolutely. I hope stronger legislation follows and similar bills are passed elsewhere.
YEAH FUCK GAY PEOPLE! WE SHOULD JUST EXECUTE THEM ALL AND TURN INTO SAUDI ARABIA!!!!1!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!1
>>70391489
This.
The law isn't aimed as "passing" trannies, and they would never be caught breaking it, it's aimed at the fucking creeper obvious-burly-men-in-dresses that would just cry oppression if they were pulled out of the women's room. It's happened numerous times that those freaks have been caught filming in the women's room.
>there are people out there who believe it is acceptable for grown, strange men to share bathrooms and changing rooms with little girls
Forget transgenderism as a mental disorder, progressivism is the mental disorder. The only time it is acceptable for a man to be in the woman's changing room is when he is accompanying his daughter.
>>70391541
>I was trying to point out how liberals hate christians for not accepting gays yet seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that muslims are even more anti-liberal values than the christians they fear so much. If liberals were capable of having a consistent value system they would be keeping muslims out of western societies.
But anon, don't you see the consistency?
If a leftist opposes a white Christian, the white Christian shakes his head and continues on with his day, leaving the leftist free to continue.
If a leftist opposes a black Muslim, the black Muslim attacks and beheads him.
r-strategists know who they are and are not allowed to speak against. That's why they speak out against Christians not serving faggots but say nothing about the black and Muslim cultures that do far, far worse things to homosexuals.
They're just saving their own hides. It would only be sad if our society wasn't so r-selected to allow them the dominant voice. Now it's just a matter of time until the collapse does away with them.
>It's bigotry in its purest form
HAHAHA
i wish every state would do the same thing as Kentucky
>>70391814
>Well maybe dont make it your identity?
So you support people dying in the streets because of your religious views? Do you support genital mutilation of little girls because of religion? What about shell fish?
>>70391093
Based. Welcome home, black man.
>>70391676
If you're stranded alone on a desert island, how are you going to exercise your right to health care?
>>70391337
I don't give a shit. Unless you think there is going to be such discrimination en masse that the world reverts back to the 1920's it's a needless restriction on personal and property rights.
>>70391718
Holy shit thats based
>>70391817
>some faggots and trannies can open a bakery and not serve cis white heterosexual Christian men.
Yes because cis gendered white heterosexual Christian males are the most persecuted group in America right?
>>70389008
He don't support the anti-LGBT law. Which means he supports going into whatever bathroom he chooses.
God damn you're stupid.
>>70385709
Or about the Bull of Rights in general?
>>70391699
amen
>>70390856
>When did you CHOOSE to be straight anon?
I hate this logical fallacy. Nobody chooses to be straight because it's normal. We're born straight. God made us this way.
You choose to be gay because you are deviating from the norm we are all born as.
>>70391848
I would prefer Christian Iran, but yes, death to faggots.
>>70384993
I'm pretty sure most fags just care about being recognized as a couple by the government. If two dudes adopt a kid together and one of then dies, then the other should be able to take custody of the kid. They can't do that unless the two gay guys are legally a couple or married or w/e. It's all just for benefits like that, gays don't care about being in a christian "marriage"
Anyone who thinks this violates the first amendment right of gay people is delusional
If anything, it's violating the first amendment to force people to associate and do commerce with others
>>70391252
They don't have the guts, fortunately. Don't want anyone to get hurt! That's why I support HR2.
It's easy to take flak from gays here for being conservative, if I ever cared to be blunt about it.
>>70391601
well put
>>70391676
I highly doubt that there would be an entire hospital without a single Doctor that wouldn't help, but if that was the case then I would say it's within their rights.
>>70391848
Sorry, I think you're confusing a religious freedom bill with open boarders.
>>70390909
Lol sorry narcissist. I don't have to do shit for you.
Implying that free enterprise is anti-lgbt
>>70391940
Well if youre dying maybe dont tell everyone in the ER you like dicks in your anus? I dont tell doctors I like pussies on my dick so I dont see why you would tell them or show your sexual preference
>>70383715
YES
>>70392074
>I highly doubt that there would be an entire hospital without a single Doctor that wouldn't help, but if that was the case then I would say it's within their rights.
I'm pointing out that saying you shouldn't be allowed to do shit because of "religious freedom" is dogshit retarded.
This is a secular country, that means we dont' base our laws around a 2,000 year old JEWISH fairy tale.
>>70383715
>>70383715
No, as a famous canadian conservative once said 'the state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation'
>>70391848
>liberals are for "the people"
When will this meme die.
Ironic that you mention saudi arabia considering how much the left loves them and wants to import all the wahhabists who want to ACTUALLY kill gays and behead women.
>>70391512
>people should be required to associate with me
fuck off.
>>70391985
HE was against the law, but then claimed he was going to use the law to get into showers and claim trans.
These two views are opposite in nature.
>>70392208
Doctors arent slaves. They arent required to treat you. Stop being such an entitled cunt. Also stop sperging out, im starting to get second hand embarrassment
>>70392208
>I'm pointing out that saying you shouldn't be allowed to do shit because of "religious freedom" is dogshit retarded.
Yet forcing other people to do things for you is perfectly fine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_rights
Read up, nancy boy.
>>70392258
>When will this meme die.
conservatives are for the people? They hate anyone who isn't a STRAIGHT WHITE CHRISTIAN HETEROSEXUAL CIS GENDERED MALE
>>70390484
WE REFUSE TO LET A FAGGOT MINORITY DECIDE WHAT OURS LAWS SHOULD BE
>>70392326
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_rights
No such thing as "negative" rights you stupid fuck. God dam you are retarded as hell.
