>Socialism is to blame because the banks ran out of other people money in 2008
>Capitalism is what made Nordic countries great.
>>70332128
>implying the banks would have lent all that money if libcucks didn't social engineer with the idea that everyone should have a home and assume the risk of the loans
>implying the Nordic countries aren't on the verge of debt fuelled collapse
>>70332299
So it's not a strawman i made. People actually think like that.
> libcucks didn't social engineer with the idea that everyone should have a home and assume the risk of the loans
What?
>Nordic countries aren't on the verge of debt fuelled collapse
That pretty much describes the western world
bump
>your pm is a poo in loo
I'm so happy that America is becoming a socialistic society, I always wanted the whole country to become a ghetto.
>>70332299
>implying the Nordic countries aren't on the verge of debt fuelled collapse
... We're not.
Seriously, we're quite fine. Still got oil and stuff. Didn't even feel the whole 2008 financial crisis.
>>70333190
1/4 or 1/2 Goan poo in loo, yes. We have a nigger minister and a gipsy minister also. We are becoming multicultural, thank you america
>>70333401
America is becoming socialist? source?
>>70334057
>thank you america
you mean thank you socialist party and left bloc?
>>70332299
>>70332691
It wasn't necessarily social engineering. The legislation that lowered criteria for obtaining mortgages had a much larger role.
>>70332128
Can you give source for the picture, please?
>>70334057
>America is becoming socialist? source?
That's it. OP knows jack shit about anything. Sonny, the US has been taking the socialist medicine ever since the last CENTURY kicked off.
ALMOST 100 (ONE HUNDRED) YEARS AGO
>Nordic countries
>Reliant on the EU to defend them
>Overrun with migrants
>literally the only thing keeping them afloat is EU welfare
>Great
>>70332128
>>70333749
Scandinavia may have a large welfare state, but they also have a very friendly corporate environment.
They have lax regulation and corporate taxes significantly lower than the USA.
That's what people mean when they say capitalism is fueling Nordic prosperity.
>>70334461
it's just a 6/10 whore there are millions of these pics on the internet
he probably got it from /b/
>>70332128
You want to know what made the nordic countries great? Ethnically homogeneous and good work ethics. Both of which are being eroded right now.
Sweden also didn't get its industry destroyed during ww2, in fact we traded and built when every one else in Europe was destroying their shit. Not to mention that Sweden and Finland has a lot of natural resources in the form of wood and ore and that Norway also has oil.
And don't forget that these countries also have high average IQ.
So fuck you and your socialism. Just wait 30 years and you will have a perfect example that it has nothing to do with socialism.
>>70334516
Virtually every country n the world has tax payer funded national healthcare.
>>70334285
Yeah, but multiracialism and that thng is only a thing in my country in recent years. My country was always somewhat socialistic since the 70's, but only now this things happen
>>70332128
A well educated white population is what made Nordic countries great. Collectively funded education.
>>70334633
I'm almost going to miss the Eternal Swede.
Did you know your relatives in Wisconsin and Minnesota are also maximum cucklords?
>>70334765
>muh socialism is about healthcare only
Just get the fuck out and go read 20th century American history ffs, you're embarrassing yourself.
>>70334591
>Scandinavia may have a large welfare state
We also have a ridiculous trust in the state and in society as a whole. There is really low corruption in the lower ranks like police so people put up with high taxes it because they feel that society is just, working pretty good and that they got something back in the form of social security.
But all this social trust in each other and in the state is quickly being eroded. People are starting to wake up and they think ''Why the fuck should i pay 50%+ taxes just so the government can support mass immigration of people that just destroys things?'' So instead of nurturing a sense of community and team work they are doing everything they can do destroy it. We are all ready seeing the effect of this, people just say fuck it and they start to grab what they can while the ship is still floating. We see this in the form of people kicking out their tenants out of apartments that they lived in for decades just so they can house immigrants and get 10x the money.
The ship is sinking and the Swedish model will not work with non Swedes. Every one who isn't blind sees this.
>>70332128
o OP
é paneleiro
leva no cu
o dia inteiro
>>70334976
>Did you know your relatives in Wisconsin and Minnesota are also maximum cucklords?
Yes, i know that they moved a lot of Somalians to where most Swedes migrated to. If you put a overlay a map showing Swedish ancestry with a map showing somali immigration i would guess it would look something like a map showing homocide and black people.
Its almost like there is a force in this world that works really fucking hard to destroy the habitat of Germanic people...
>>70334765
The US is a fully socialized nation. Bernie is trying to take us even further into insanity.
The means of production in the USA is pseudo capitalist, which is the same as saying fully socialist. The collusion of corporation into government is socialism. It's just also orwellian, because then propaganda is made calling it "capitalist."
Almost every facet of the means of production in every industry is monopolized. So for example Monsanto's lawyer is the chief of policy for the FDA. That's modern socialism. It's what the "corruption" bernie claims to want to destroy actually is.
But Bernie's solution is to give the FDA more power, not to remove the FDA.
Sorry if this isn't very coherent, it's about time to go to bed.
>>70335536
It's perfectly coherent, bro.
>>70332128
Our government have made 18 billion DKK over the past 8 years on those bank packages
>>70332128
>>70332691
>>70333124
>>70334057
>>70334765
>leftypol
>tripfaggotery
>posting bitches in every post
>write without any substance or common sense
>wonder why do people consider leftism degenerate and you in particular a retard
Ignore thread,move along,these retards never learn and their feels cloud their rationality,that is why they are on the left side of the spectrum in general.
>>70335371
I have majority Germanic ancestry and most of us in the US would never support the mass importation of nignogs, so it boggles me that Germany itself is trying to outdo Sweden...
>>70335213
tens aqui um bom pinheiro
CHUPAMO, CHUPAMO!!
E no fim ganhas cieiro
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>>70335536
>The US is a fully socialized nation
Means of production are not in the state control
>>70335750
I'm national socialist, but i sure do love to trigger cuckservatives
>>70335763
>I have majority Germanic ancestry and most of us in the US would never support the mass importation of nignogs
I don0t think so, both of your paties support immigration from third worlders
Socialism would be great if you didnt have spics or niggers or a low iq subrace just wanting to leech off the system.
That is why it will never work in america but is great in nordic countries
>>70335921
But even with all those blacks and mexicans USA has a higher GDP per capita then virtually every country in the world
>>70332128
Socialism is lasting longer in Nordic countries because they have more money to burn and stronger economies (for the mean time).
That is it.
Socialism is and always will be condemned to fail. But the lure of "free" stuff that is actually not free is too intoxicating for humans.
Despite the IQ levels, western Europe is overwhelmingly socialist. But i suppose being intelligent isn't enough when you get the basic principles wrong, you are bound to always have the wrong conclusions.
>>70335896
Neither party represents the interests of the people anymore. We're even becoming aware of this, which is why Bernie and Trump, who are perceived as anti-Establishment candidates, are so popular.
Hopefully the parties will realign and we'll get a true anti-globalist political movement out of it.
>>70336025
They only beat the european countries because americans work longer hours and take less vacation. Not because the workers are more productive than on a per hour bases.
>>70335896
>both of your paties support immigration from third worlders
see >>70336057
>who is Trump?
>implying GOP is outdated and will soon be replaced with the alt-right
cuckservatives are a dying race my tripfaggot friend
>>70336053
I dunno, I think pure White countries could make any political system work, thanks to our high IQs and altruistic instincts.
However shitty non-White people exist so our xenophilia works against us and we are undoing our societies regardless of political system by allowing rampant immigration.
>>70335767
The means of production are completely under the control of the state in the US and have been for at least decades.
Agencies like the FDA, which I used an example, are how the state takes control of means of production.
You cannot produce food and drugs other than through their say so or you will go to pound you in the ass prison.
This prevents you from starting your own Pharmaceutical factory, because you're not allowed to produce without both the permission of the state's agency controlling that means of production, and it controls it in such a way that you would need to invest hundreds of millions of dollars to be able to start such a corporation.
In this way, you are fooled, you believe that the leftist is there to help you, but he's there to help Monsanto and Pfizer, by ensuring no one can afford to make any startup to compete with them.
Thus, the means of production taken away from you, and in the hands of the government, who'm the oligopoly is embedded in, you are not allowed to compete.
Therefore you are encouraged to get a STEM degree and work FOR Pfizer and Monsanto.
So you can be a manager but not an owner.
Socialism.
>>70335767
o OP tripfag
só diz treta
posta no /pol/
e chupa piça preta
>>70335763
Germany is a broken nation that was occupied and subverted. Brainwashed youth that is being eternally guilt tripped with muh 6 gorillion.
It doesn't surprise me at all.
Sweden is also being guilt tripped although we have literally nothing to be guilt tripped about. So they are just playing the leftist idiots and telling them that its about humanity.
>>70332128
Capitalism DID make Nordic countries 'great'
A homogenous (as in all white) population and a market economy is what built the welfare state we have now
The development of our welfare states to the extent they have today is somewhat new... and it is supported by a fundament of capitalism
and for the 1000th time, nordic countries aren't socialist
>>70336053
>Socialism is lasting longer in Nordic countries
t. Alberto Imbecil
>>70335896
Then put /natsoc/,not leftypol you inbred. Modern socialism and the socialistic element of natsoc is different. Are you retarded or only pretending to be retarded? There is a thin line you know.
>>70336143
Trump wants to deport illegals. But what about H1b1 and nigerians and poo in loos?
>>70336484
Nothing wrong with the Welfare State as long as it only benefits citizens (ideally, members of the nation's specific ethnicity) and the instincts for altruism, thrift, and industriousness are strong enough.
>>70336688
I think Trump is the only candidate this campaign who has said anything remotely negative about H1B visas. It's a huge deal here in the US. Rubio wants to fucking expand that shit, and he's a senator.
>>70335750
INDUSTRIALISM WAS A MISTAKE
>>70336927
Slavery was a mistake. Attempting to export Western values, science, and medicine was a mistake.
Anything that gives shitty-genetics non-Whites undeserved benefits that they take for granted and exploit to reproduce irresponsibly is a mistake.
>>70335767
>means of production are not in state control
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/28/feds-sting-amish-farmer-selling-raw-milk-locally/?page=all
You are delusional or lying, leftypol.
>>70336669
But the tip is to trigger cuckservatives. If i had /natsoc/ i wouldn't be having these dank (you)
>>70336907
But what about his actual policies agaisnt H1B?
>>70336835
Certainly I don't mind my tax funded education, healthcare and so forth but our taxation levels are at a place where they disincentivize entrepenours and workers...
Ethnic danes are inheritantly hard working, with only few exceptions
but the recent influx of african and middle eastern migrants who do not understand why they must work if they can simply sit at home and get money thrown in their faces aren't fit for a society like this
It requires respect for the government and your fellow peoples and some understanding of the mechanisms of a society to be a part of a welfare society as a contributing member, rather than just a parasite. And this is rarely seen with non-western migrants
>>70332128
But Alberto, the Nordic countries have small as fuck economies compared to capitalist countries such as the US, UK, France, Germany etc
Just compare their GDPs.
>>70336186
I disagree and the nordic model is an example of it. Even the nords themselves work less because they know they have a huge safety net always behind them.
It's like syndicates, at first everyone is really cooperative and into it, but as times passes people start taking more and more advantage of the system in place, so over a given time period there will be more people living off welfare and other social benefits and less workers to sustain it.
The pyramid inverts.
Biology is stronger then genes burger bro. No matter if they are white or black. Welfare will have the same toxic effect, the difference being that whites make better slaves and work harder so the system will stay afloat for a longer period.
>>70336530
How exactly is that a false statement you dumb snownigger?
>>70337468
Unfortunately we'll never know because Muslims and shitskins exist and the fucking Nords are importing them en masse.
>>70337219
>I want to be able to sell everything i want to uneducated consumers
But i think it's pathethic what FDA did in that article.
>>70337544
True that.
>>70337546
Is meant to>>70337173
>>70337416
I don't get the small economy meme. Larger economies mean larger and more powerfull state. The bargaining power would be much more higher.
>>70337546
>moving the goal posts (and misquoting)
You said that the means of production was not controlled by the state in the United States of America. I demonstrated through multiple posts that it was, even providing a direct example.
Your argument now is that "the state being in control of the means of production is good!" Which is the same as conceding the argument.
>>70337219
Actual policies? He's actually said he wants to end it within a year or two of taking office. Better than anyone else.
>>70336197
any one can start a pharmaceutical factory, they need the approval of the state to sell the drugs, yes, but would you rather no state regulation?
>>70336268
i feel you swedebro. times are tough
>>70337823
>>>70337546
>>70337819
Therefore, from now on, when you argue about how the United States is so fucked up and needs "change!" you should frame that point of view from the fact that the United States of America is a fully socialist country and has been for so long that its problems can more readily be attributed to socialism than to "capitalism" which in today's age is literal doublespeak.
Socialism is killing us, but the state wants more and more of it, so it claims that capitalism is killing us in a very twisted way straight out of 1984 and a brave new world.
You are a useful idiot who has not really thought critically about the way our society works, but who genuinely cares for a better future for his people. I hope when you realize your error you'll be able to accept that what you should be fighting for is capitalism, not socialism.
Socialism is what we already live in since before you were born.
>>70338234
>any one can start a pharmaceutical factory
This is false, because the state owns the means of production, and creates incredible barriers to entry into this field of production in order to protect the extant oligopoly, which socialism is the guardian of.
I would definitely rather the state have no control over means of production, other than as an enforcer of private property rights.
>but what if you get poisoned
Happens regardless.
>>70337823
>>70337819
>>70338423
Have you kids ever heard of a mixed economy
>>70337823
I'm not actually arguing, i'm more like shitposting ITT.
>the state being in control of the means of production is good
Strawmaning, i'm think enterprise and private property should be encouraged.
>I demonstrated through multiple posts that it was, even providing a direct example.
But our governments are controlled by the capital and corporations. The majority of our laws are passed to favour established private interests. That is hardly a state control of the means. It's more a corporate control by proxy
>>70338234
>B-B-But muh opressive fed stops me from selling heroin to scholl children
>>70338633
Yes, it's just propaganda for socialism. It's just renaming socialism. To go further than "mixed economy" is communism.
>>70338423
>you'll be able to accept that what you should be fighting for is capitalism
>killing others so rich fucks can evade draft
top cuck
>>70338633
>>70338701
Our societies are mixed. I don't think there ever was a fully capitalist or fully socialist economy.
>>70338637
>my oppressive fed stops me from selling heroin
It doesn't have that effect. The drug war is ineffective.
It's interesting how leftypol will post in full support of the drug war in this debate, even though he's normally against it, now that it's been shown that the United States does control the means of production and is therefore a socialist country.
You don't support the drug war, but you do when it's an attempt to use hyperbole to skirt an argument. Nice integrity.
>milk
>heroin
p.s.
Pfizer, Monsanto, et al, DO sell heroin to school children, 100% legally.
>>70332128
Just go to Plebbit.
>yes, the Clinton administration reducing underwriting standards to "do you have a pulse?" and telling the banks to hand out loans like candy contributed to the 2008 crisis
>yes, the low tax rate and ease of doing business is what drives the economy of Nordic countries
>>70339061
You're using an ambiguous term, it's just propaganda to call our society "mixed."
We have agencies that are literally in control of every facet of every major means of production in the United States of America.
Even a lemonade stand is controlled.
When the state controls the means of production, it's not "mixed," it's socialist.
It's encroaching. It's propaganda because you could say that early post war American government did not control the means of production, but over time continually encroached and encroached on it until the civil war, after which the balance was completely shifted over time until present.
We are "vast majority" socialist and "have some slight remnant of capitalism somewhere, maybe..." today. Calling that 'mixed' is just a way to avoid the truthful claim that we are socialist by definition and in practice.
>>70339149
Are you objectively retard? Can't you see i am starwmaning? You cried about falacies in other post and you can't recognize a clear one?
I am agaisnt drug war.
I am national socialist
>>70339485
>Clinton administration reducing underwriting standards to "do you have a pulse?" and telling the banks to hand out loans like candy
Who do you think lobbied so that law passes?
>yes, the low tax rate and ease of doing business is what drives the economy of Nordic countries
Agree with you.
>>70335150
We hope black genes will make your country less cuck.That's the plan.
>>70339574
So incoherence is your new method?
anon - The United States controls the means of production, which is the definition of socialism.
leftypol - No it doesn't
anon - *proves it*
leftypol - It's a good thing!
anon - you moved the goal post because your premise was refuted.
leftypol - are you retarded? stop crying about fallacies, you're just mad the government won't let you sell heroin to school children.
anon - it won't let me sell heroin, but that is ineffective. also, it DOES let pharmaceutical companies sell heroin to school children.
>I am national socialist
Probably you would support Bernie then.
>>70332128
O OP é esquerdote
O OP é paneleiro
O OP vota no Bloco e leva na bilha o dia inteiro
>>70337514
We don't have socialism...
>>70340131
Are you actually autistic? I already said i am shitpostin ITT. Why are you ranting so furiously?
>The United States controls the means of production, which is the definition of socialism.
But it doesn't. Governmental agencies are mostly corporate interest by proxy. But you will ignore this and rant some more
>Probably you would support Bernie then.
I would. He seems the type of man i woulld vote for. But he has to pander too much. I think Bernie is racist and nationalistic. But his main public isn't.
>>70332128
O OP é comuna e ateu
O OP devia ir à missa
O OP tem o recorde mundial de salto de cu para a piça
>>70341432
Que meme é este?
