Is ancap the most based political ideology?
>>70308451
This site is for 18+ only, sorry
>>70308451
yes if you are still in highschool
I think the most based ideology would be something like a mix between Libertarianism and Nationalism.
It's an advanced form of autism.
It's one the of the most retarded.
is this the religion where jails compete for the prisoner's business?
>>70308451
Slightly better than Anarcho-Communism, but still retarded, just like every form of anarchism.
>>70308762
I think jails would compete for the court's bis which compete for customers defendant or prosecutor.
>>70308451
No, how can an ideology that relies on human nature to progress be good?
>inb4 not an argument
>inb4 le culture anarchy guy xDD
They're worse than socialists.
Ancaps are the most degenerate pieces of trash
>>70308451
>Anarcho
Into the trash it goes.
>>70308451
Ancap, like communism or zits, is something you should grow out of when you become an adult.
Is anarchism sustainable? Wouldn't it just devolve into statism again as power structures establish, vie for power, conquer and rule. Or maybe humanity has changed.
>>70308920
How exactly are states exempt from human nature?
>>70308451
Yes it is, but common sense isn't edgy enough for this board.
>>70308451
Only if your total gross income comes from your parent's pocket.
Don't worry; as soon as you land yourself a stable job you will forget that such a thought ever crossed your mind.
>>70309122
we design the state, we don't design our own nature. if we recognize the problems with human nature, we can design the state to mitigate those problems.
>>70309116
I mean, we arguable already live in an anarchist world. Everyone is free to live however they choose, except you'll be a bitch to the guy with the most guns regardless if you chose to call him the State or Local Friendly Defence Corporation #3
No
Anything with Anarchy is for African children.
Capitalism is for the greedy bourgeois non-caring of the Nation.
Fascism is for the people, nation and the Leader.
Wait...there are people that exist who actually support Anarchism? What the hell?!
>>70309424
>if we recognize the problems with human nature, we can design the state to mitigate those problems.
yes. and there is a name for this: capitalism with reasonable regulation, and certain functions carried out by the state, such as military, roads, etc.
>>70308451
hahaha yes! anarcho capitalism is one of my FAVORITE memes! i do so yearn for a day where i can travel the lands like in the critically acclaimed fallout video game series, selling vape juice and heroin to 9 year old prostitutes, improving my ability to barter with the local cannibals for a better deal on the 25 year old laptop i would like to purchase and paying twice the price i paid for my faithful pack mule for a bottle of alcohol sold by the doctor in the next town over, which is a mere 20 mile traverse from where i have set up camp!
aracho capitalism is indeed the patrician's political ideology. now if you will excuse me, i must post haste to my studies of japanese literature and my glass of sake (that's a japanese rice wine, by the way). with a tip of my faithful fedora, i fair thee well!
obligatory
>>70308711
What flag is that?
>>70311078
negro mountain
>>70311078
Sea serbs.
>>70308451
Classical liberal - Athenian democracy
>>70308671
Populism?
it is, but it is too much for people to take in.
>>70308671
National Capitalism
>>70309424
Any problems present in the nature of those who run the state will also be present in the state.
>>70310755
>the "community would disappear and have no rules if there was no state meme"
Not even once.
National Libertarianism is most based ideology.
Ancap is for molymeme children.
>>70311886
Such powerful arguments. Truly, I am impressed.
>>70308451
Counter argument: niggers and muslims. Moral signaling white and jewish ancaps will import niggers and muslims into your borderless stateless zone. What are you going to do to prevent a wellfare caliphat?
>>70311665
>Not even once.
Every 'positive' prediction regarding both Ancap and Ancom doesn't take into account the issue of generation replacement.
It is easy to imagine having a semblance of order when you grew all your life in an ordered state, but what about those who will be born and raised under new system? Their mentality and expectations will also transform. This is why so many westerners got duped into thinking that gommunism is the way to go - after all, most of communist states experienced a period of relative optimism and productivity which came crashing down as soon as the generation of diligent people began to be replaced by gibsmedats-oriented simpletons who knew no other system.
>>70312180
>Moral signaling white and jewish ancaps will import niggers and muslims
It's like you have something against slave trade.
>wellfare caliphat
Nothing. There won't be any welfare as if there is no state to enforce one and slaves as far as I know don't build caliphates.
>>70312603
But then generation replacement will make it better precisely because the new generations will grow up in a system which values work and innovation.
And rules will still exist, just like they do now. People whose only reason for not getting 9 year olds hooked on heroin and pimping them out is the fear that the state will punish them if they do aren't very common. And the idea that everyone else will just sit around and do nothing while they do that is ludicrous.
>Not a single valid argument against this ideology in the thread
>Just name calling and meme spouting
When did /pol/ become /b/ V.2 ?
>>70312848
Every community inadvertedly pursues its own system. Remember how under Russian Empire both we and Jews created our pseudogovernances and pseudodirectives in a race for scraps? Ancap would have led to same shit, only this time with no stabilization forces save for occasional mercenaries employed by wealthier cartels.
>>70312180
The thing about that is there wouldn't be a state to allow niggies and mussies in, if landowners didn't want them on their property they can literally kill them lmao and business owners would be free to put up a sign saying no dogs no darkies.
>>70313065
>new generations will grow up in a system which values work and innovation.
Ancap can be found all over the world wherever state does such a shitty job controlling its area and populace that portions of its territory basically govern themselves.
And these areas are muddled with meaninglesness amongst anyone who doesn't exploit the rest, i.e. 90% of inhabitants.
>>70312180
private property is borders.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO68Kvb9fD4&nohtml5=False
skip to 7min mark if you have no attention span but i would suggest listening to the opening 7 as well.
>>70308451
Grow up, kid.
>>70313290
>if landowners didn't want them on their property they can literally kill them
But what about larger groups of such rapefugees? They would figure out this game soon enough and you would end up with roving bands killing and looting as they go.
no. since op is clearly a fucking retard, i have no arguments from him to refute.
pathetic.
>>70313117
>Ancap would have led to same shit, only this time with no stabilization forces save for occasional mercenaries employed by wealthier cartels.
This is actually a good thing, people won't rely on the governmentor or some big powerful figure like a head of the state anymore to keep them safe. They will start to learn how to defend theselves, mitigate the damage done by mercenaries if they do get raided, get things back to normal ASAP. I don't think a big swamp where you have a monopoly on being robbed by people who are supposed to be on your side would be better than this.
>>70313079
They can't argue, to argue is to prove an-cap right (presupposition of argumentation) what the srormweenies on /pol/ don't realize is even ultranationalism is compatible with an cap, thank you based hoppe.
>>70313079
saargon is right, the majority of this board has no idea how to argue properly and act very much like sjws when they do.
>>70313590
>favela monkey
>pinko
top kek
>>70308671
See Hoppe, its ancap, you just choose your homelands and people.
>>70313590
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFgDS9rENMs
>>70313729
>They will start to learn how to defend theselves, mitigate the damage done by mercenaries if they do get raided, get things back to normal ASAP.
Because medieval periods of "Robber Barons" have been oh-so-productive. :^)
>>70313417
Shitty places are usually the result of shitty people living there. What you described simply shows that even in such situations, shit is done more efficiently through private than state means.
Also, an example would be welcome.
>>70313624
Why do you think people would magically lose the capacity to unite for a common interest just because they don't have a common ruler?
Back when the state was basically non-existant in villages, when the livestock was threatened by wolves, the villagers would kill the wolves. They didn't need the state to do it, and I'm pretty sure people would join the hunt even if the livestock under attack wasn't their own.
>>70314038
They didn't have recreational nukes to balance it out back then.
>>70314038
The robber baron period was in the 19th century.
And it was productive as fuck. Also, they used state power for most of the bad stuff they did.
>>70308451
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactionary
>>70314153
>Croatia exits EU to pursue its Ancap dreams, much to delight of every internet-grown intellectualist ever
>Fast forward a decade, Albania leaves Croatia in the dust as far as economy goes
>Generation passes, Croatia is a shithole 100 years behind negroes
>mfw
>>70313729
>>70314038
"robber" barons were actually good guys who just collected taxes that rightfully belonged to them and the jew-influenced government was trying to deprive them of
>>70314153
>would magically lose the capacity to unite for a common interest
Because by default people who unite for common interests form entities which we usually call ''states''.
>common ruler
Human nature is like that, groups of people necessarily need common ruler or a small group to direct bigger group.
Even in anarchic societies that came to life (Free Territory in Ukraine, communes in Catalonia during Spanish Civil War), there were leaders and followers, in practice.
>state was basically non-existent
State didn't have the reach it had today, but it was not non-existent. Nor did villages live in some anarchic communes, you always had nobles who were in charge of villages.
Besides, what is this idiocy? Is that the society we should aspire to? Medieval villages?
Anarcho-capitalism is nothing but ''let's tear down everything because some things are bad and replace it with same shit after some time and period of great disturbances and suffering''.
It's literally autism. It's an ideology for sociopaths and fringe lunatics.
>>70314219
>productive as fuck
Only because that occurred in fucking America, a vast empty continent full of arable land and every other resource.
When you have abundance and no real external threats, almost every system will work for some time.
>>70308451
No. Anarchism unfortunately doesn't work IRL. Minarchism is the way to go.
>>70314429
hypothetical scenario you have no argument for
>>70314038
first of all, robber-barons belong to the industrial era
second, the robber-barron era in the US saw one of the highest increases in human well being in human history, as well as massice influx of immigrants. Are you telling me, my certainly-well-educated neighbour, that peoeple would willingly travel hundreds of miles across the ocean (risking death) to be exploited by the robber barons?
you wouldn't spout uneducated nonsense anonymously on the internet now, would you?
>>70308451
most fedora ideology
>>70314583
>>70314564
>>70313729
minarchy is what middle ages basically was beofre centralization - the funniest thing is that the term was invented by ex anarchist libtards
it's basically waht Croatia montenegro and russia are talking about
poland is buying the state jew
>>70314632
no, he is talking about a different thing
it's a term for nobles who jumped down on traders who passed through their land and demanded payment cause they thought it was their traditional right to do so like it has been for numberless eras
it's called taxes and decentralized economy
ofc the state jew doesn't give a jack shit about sacred Western traditions they just want $$$$$$$$$
>>70314873
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robber_baron_(industrialist)
>>70314927
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robber_baron
"banditry" here means legitimate tax collecting that the state jew doesn't like
>>70308529
fpbp
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>>70314873
>ofc the state jew doesn't give a jack shit about sacred Western traditions they just want $$$$$$$$$
Aren't you forgetting something?
Ancap is a territory where original Jewish tricknology can thrive the most, with only a few pogroms on the way. You would be tearing up an old board just to pick up the very one that Jew has mastered the most with yourself being the novice.
>>70308451
Yes.
Only the eptiome of cucks, the bootlickers like facists, corporatists and commies, or people who don't actually understand what an-cap is will disagree.
Though minarchism is fine too. It inherently risks the government growing to levels like it has now, but if the populace is vigilant and informed that could be curbed for the most part.
>>70315661
I don't talk about the ancap
anarchy in any package is ridiculous, just like capitalism,
it needs to be controlled, but very unrestricted and decentralized in the minarchic medieval model
about the jews, just do the usury ban - it literally renders them useless
>>70315192
That's not an argument!
Do you support me getting shot?
>>7031582
usery banned,
5 years later......
usery unbanned
>>70315827
>about the jews, just do the usury ban - it literally renders them useless
History teaches that doing so only made them sneakier and more cunning.
>>70312180
Forgetting that this isn't an argument because its currently THE STATE that is importing millions of them in the first place, they wouldn't come here in droves. You'd get a few entropeneurs or westaboos, but that's it.
No-one would allow unchecked mass migration. Why would they? The only reason people agree with it now is because its "dem riich muthafuckas" who pay for it. Most pro-migrant people either pay and small amount of tax or don't pay at all because they're in college. They want to help migrants with rich white men's money, not their own which is why they don't let live in their own houses. Without the Robin Hood wankery of the state, they would have to pay to import those Muslims, which is a multi-million pound effort. Virtue signalling is a lot harder when its your own money on line. I'd wager in an ancap society, no-one accept the banks would able to afford to import a fifth of the immigrants we have now. And the banks won't do it because bankers aren't stupid, its their money on the line if the immigrants fuck up the society and people no longer have any money to deposit.
Not only that, you're forgetting that private dispute resolution is a thing.
>>70316179
but if you never unban usury it's pointless 4 them
usury is thier samson's hair
you just have to make sure that it NEVER gets unbanned
>>70314564
>Because by default people who unite for common interests form entities which we usually call ''states''.
No, they're called associations.
>Human nature is like that, groups of people necessarily need common ruler or a small group to direct bigger group.
>Even in anarchic societies that came to life (Free Territory in Ukraine, communes in Catalonia during Spanish Civil War), there were leaders and followers, in practice.
The issue with states isn't leadership, it's coercion.
>State didn't have the reach it had today, but it was not non-existent. Nor did villages live in some anarchic communes, you always had nobles who were in charge of villages.
>Besides, what is this idiocy? Is that the society we should aspire to? Medieval villages?
Why do you assume I was talking about the middle ages?
>Anarcho-capitalism is nothing but ''let's tear down everything because some things are bad and replace it with same shit
I have yet to see an ancap propose "tearing everything down" in a violent revolution instead of a more patient approach.
>after some time and period of great disturbances and suffering''.
It's literally autism. It's an ideology for sociopaths and fringe lunatics.
Not an argument.
>Only because that occurred in fucking America, a vast empty continent full of arable land and every other resource.
>When you have abundance and no real external threats, almost every system will work for some time.
Every statist's excuse. I guess Singapore and Hong Kong are also vast empty continents full of arable land and every other resource?
>>70316515
What's bad about being free to loan money?
>>70316542
>>70314564
you are talking against the middle ages and medieval villages, but in Reality you're giving arguments 4 them
>>70316703
Which arguments?
What is it that you like so much about the middle ages?
>>70308451
Ancap silliness is the political pleb/child's first step to authoritarian nationalism.
Ancap/Libertarianism is a pipe dream for right leaning retards much like Communism is a pipe dream for left leaning retards. Neither anarcho capitalism nor libertarianism have a propagation method, so neither are sustainable and will both ultimately end in despotism or complete collapse.
>>70308451
>plutocracy
>based
pick one
>>70316515
if usury was inherently bad, you cant guarantee that it wouldn't occur or stay ileagal through government.
also usury is beneficial when controlled properly so you would definitely not be able to keep that illegal.
>>70312180
>libertarianism
>welfare
Fascists are this retarded
The problem with statists is that they assume that the state makes thing possible. They think that because the government pays for roads to built, that's the reason why roads are built. Like everyone was running around screaming wondering how they could make a surface conductive to moving goods around quickly before the government stepped in said "behold, roads!". Look at all the minecraft videos on YouTube and people getting paid to do crazy shit like building mobfarms and so forth, all of this is funded privately through YouTube ads. But no-one ever says "without the state, mob farms wouldn't exist!"
If people can be funded to do science and research inside a fucking video privately, then virtually anything can be funded privately, which it can and has been in the past. Let go, the government cannot *give* you anything other than 10 million muslim and african immigrants.
>>70317085
it may be a pipe dream, but we are right, our ideas are not rotten with inconsistencies and aggression. Authoritarian nationalism has failed many time because of what it is, it wont last it wont work and you will push people further to the left.
>>70308451
Yes. Who doesnt like private property, freedom of contract and selfownership?
>>70310791
came here to post this
>>70308451
What is ancap? That flag looks shit. If your going to LARP and be a retard, at least pick a good flag.
>>70317422
strange- it has been kept illegal in the whole middle ages and the world prospered then
>>70316824
no degeneracy
strong faith and values
strong families
nobody cucked
crusading literally comes from them
subordinate obedient women
white men ruling everything
...
you're seeking 4 a system that isn't really anarchic, but isn't with a big socijalist-type state and a system which has a strong state which is decentralized and gives place for small businesses - THAT is basically middle ages
>>70317773
POO
IN THE LOO
learn to fucking GOOGLE you piece of turd
>an-anything
>not retard tier
>>70317626
>Authoritarian nationalism has failed many time
Always through outside interference and funding.
On the other hand, Anarcho capitalism exists solely in failed states like Somalia and Mad Max movies.
Tell me how an ancap system sustains itself. You can't, because there is no organized system of propagation. You are advocating for barbarism and are thus retarded.
>>70318030
CUM IN THE MOO Slim
fuck off. I don't fap for shit flags you nigger
>>70313079
Anarcho capitalism will fail, because people seek security and stability. A new government will spawn and it will take over with force. Enforcing rules is quite necessary to establish room for improvement and evolution for humanity.
If you want a political vacuum, go take a look to the middle east, they surely prosper and totally embrace their new possibilities with free trade, since no police will knock on their door. Just overlook the people trying to take over the country by force.
If you oppose a rule or a law, go fight it in a legal way or just deal with being born in an unfair world, where you can't do anything you want.
>>70317871
not in all countries and even if it was illegal people still did it so?
main points:
governments cant stop usury.
people liked and favored by the government would get away with it.
people willing to break the law would get a stronger market share, by lending in the black markets.
jurisdiction that allowed usury would benefit over those that didn't.
and also usury isn't inherently bad.
>>70317871
>no degeneracy
No degeneracy that was *recorded*. And I'd count living in streets with human waste and killing people for arbitrary reason like "but they looked like a witch!", the feudal system which was essentially slavery and torture to be degeneracy.
>strong faith and values
No. People didn't value others back then. Peasents were sometimes killed for fun and people married for money. Not for love, not "to preserve the white race", for no other reason than gaining financial and political power.
>strong families
Abusive families. Child poverty was common back them as was domestic violance.
>nobody cucked
Illegitamate children were everywhere. What do think those child laborers were?
>crusading literally comes from them
The crusades were a waste of money, time and effort. Who cares about Jerusalum. Losing good english men for a place half the world a way is being cucked.
>subordinate obedient women
And prostitutes, syphallis and whores all over the place. As well as domestic violence.
>white men ruling everything
Means nothing if they're abusing that power, which people always do.
>>70318271
You can be more secure and stable without the state. Do you feel secure and stable right now Germany? Do you seriously think the government can save you when Mohamaad corners you in an alleyway and stabs you? And guess what, if you even dare to carry a gun, you'll kidnapped and thrown in a cage. Dare to carry pigs blood to repel the Mohhamads? They'll kidnap you again for offending and exploiting religious beliefs. The government has created the perfect killing grounds for Muslims. You can't fight back, you can't do anything except hope its not you who gets bombed next time.
>a new government
Not if systems are put in place to stop that. And that happens in statism anyway, or do you believe that Germany has always been democratic since the first society that lived there?
The middle east isn't a political vacuum, never has. That's a strawman.
>>70318676
The middle east is purely statist. What's happened is that your little theory that having a state prevents other states from spawning or makes you safe at all has been proven demonstrably false. The middle east is the point where multiple states, such as ISIS and Russia, are fighting over it.
>go fight in a legal way
Doesn't work. Freedom is not natural. Its has to be continually clawed back, at swordpoint, gunpoint or even with nukes.
>>70318233
Anarcho capitalism exist within every voluntary interaction. Look at entities you are involved with in your life, which ones do you enjoy more and provide you a better life, the ones you associate voluntarily with or the ones that use agression to associate with you ?
there are many voluntary organized systems of propagation, they are really obvious and commonly used as well. The fact you cant think of any baffles me.
>"anarcho"-capitalism.
Sorry, no such thing friendo, oxymoron.
>>70318523
>not in all countries
yes in all, venice was First to start the usury jew in the rennaissance
>governments cant stop usury
>implying government can't enforce simple economic laws
>people liked and favored by the government would get away with it
that's result of corruption, completely different problem and hardly an issue in this case
>people willing to break the law would get a stronger market share, by lending in the black markets
>implying government can't strike down the crime
when democracy and liberalism is stopped ridiculous as it is you'd be surprised how convincing government's crimpstopping methods can be
also that's why capitalism is shit - system taht would be in power with usury ban should definetely be based on something like land, not Money, which again renders the moeny jew powerless
>jurisdiction that allowed usury would benefit over those that didn't
history has thought as differently
the Systems which have incorporated usury have been weaker through history - like this one and roman - ultimately destroyed by the stronger ones that didn't - medieval and ours soon to muslim, so that statement is false
>>70319225
Usury is needed. You don't understand what its actually for and why, without slavery, it is neccessary for a civilization to continue to exist. Usury is investing resources into something with the hope you will profit. If you don't profit, then that means the person you lent it to has wasted the resources. The interest on the debt is there because without it, no-one would bother investing resources into someone with no garauntee they'll get them back. You practice usury every time you put money in a savings account. You're lending the bank money and they have to pay you back every year + x% interest.
>>70318523
>and also usury isn't inherently bad.
yes it is
>>70318676
>implying burning witches is degeneracy
>No. People didn't value others back then. Peasents were sometimes killed for fun
lies and prejudices coined in the "enlightenment" era
values were stronger then than they were today
>No degeneracy that was *recorded
do you really think this system would miss an opportunity to trash talk the middle ages?
>>strong families
>domestic violance.
>Abusive families
just like today
>Child poverty was common back then
still less child abuse then in later capitalist eras when they sent children in mines
also living conditions were worse back then, and probably they wouldn't consider themselves poor because they didn't Know any better
>Illegitamate children were everywhere
blatant lie and a forgery
absolutely false
>The crusades were a waste of money, time and effort. Who cares about Jerusalum
pragmatic faithless thinking that has no place in a good society,
crusades weren't good because of teh profit, but because of the religious zeal, they reflected the readiness of people to fight for a good cause instead of being basement neckbeards
pragmatism and materialism you are showing is simply wrong and belongs to reddit
>And prostitutes, syphallis and whores all over the place
in MAJORLY lower numbers than today
>As well as domestic violence
domestic violence is too liberally defined today
this repeated response shows that you are only willing to provoke an emotional response and draw support instead of looking for real arguments
>Means nothing if they're abusing that power, which people always do
by that logic every kind of government is bad, all is pointless and it is useless to try
>>70319636
it is not
hitler banned usury
guess what happened to his economy?
believe practice if you won't believe theory
>>70319863
Witches don't exist. So yes, burning people because you are delusional is degeneracy.
>>70319198
You are a dipshit who fell for a very obvious ploy to split the conservative support base by offering a literally impossible, unrealistic and inconsistent form of society.
You are the right wing version of Sanders supporters and you're too brain dead or indoctrinated to see it, which is why it works to you despite no correlation in real life.
>>70319994
you are looking at it wrong
imagine it as the ostrakon system in ancient greece
>>70319904
>guess what happened to the economy?
He replaced it with a different kind of usuary using Mefo bills. Also, the Nazis only lasted 8 years.
>>70320128
>nazis lsted only 8 years
4 reasons that have nothing to do with economy
>"different kind of usury"
please explain me how can something be a different kind of usury
>>70320084
No, I'll look at it for what it is. A group of people who have objectively incorrect beliefs burning old ladies and ugly women for their pleasure.
>>70319636
usury as something wrong, still
learn finances and you'll get a gasp of what's wrong behind loans, which is not loans or interest themselves as a phoenomenon or product
>>70320267
>completely ignores the argument he can't even understand
>repeats what he said the last post
please discuss in the limits of reason or don't discuss at all
also more on the mefo bills:
bills that were issued 4 their economy to pass by the antant restrictions
completely controlled by the government
for a single goal
----- NOT AT ALL similar
The philosophy is sound. But it's been taken over by people that literally have autism and leftist leanings.
Anarcho-Capitalism = Based $$$$ acquisition who no regard for feelings of degenerates, faggots, losers on welfare, and freeloaders.
>>70319636
>Usury is investing resources into something with the hope you will profit. If you don't profit, then that means the person you lent it to has wasted the resources. The interest on the debt is there because without it, no-one would bother investing resources into someone with no garauntee they'll get them back. You practice usury every time you put money in a savings account. You're lending the bank money and they have to pay you back every year + x% interest.
I think when most, sane, people talk about usury they mean usury-interest earned on money capital not the type of "usury" capitalism introduced i.e. the idea of money utilized to generate industrial profits by employing contracted wage-labor and fixed-capital.
Loans that are intentionally made that can't generate profit to pay themselves off were key to the pre-industrial usury-and-rent economy of feudal Europe when military conquest was the major enterprise and economies polarized between creditors and debtors.
>>70320242
Mefo bills. The Nazis gave out little slips that were essentially IOUs, promising rechmarks. The German government paid companies to re-arm with these mefo bills, but the companies never had time to collect because before they knew it, they were at war. People always say this about "le epic nazi economy", but they ignore the fact that the economy was soley based around re-arming for war. Is that the kind of economy you want? Do you think its worth killing and bombing people so you can have a job (that pays you in IOUs)?
>>70320618
read this:>>70320509
>economy was soley based around re-arming for war
more false arguments based on Popular pub talks
your talk is full of logican fallacies
your arguments are based on Popular opinions and prejudices
>>70319904
>hitler banned usury
That's 100% wrong. Nazi Germany never banned interest bearing loans, they just seized Jewish assets and gave them to German banking interests friendly with the regime to handle.
They don't vote, so yes.
I think it's a great ideology. The thing about ideologies is that they don't work in practice. These people truly want what's best for everyone. They have their version of utopia and it's fine.
I like their individual ideas, like if we didn't have to pay taxes we wouldn't have niggers and spics mooching off welfare. That's great.
The problem is that when you take all these individual ideas and put them all in practice you end up with temporally chaos until someone with a gun decides to establish his dictatorship.
A truly libertarian state wouldn't last that long. A tight community with guns would quickly seize a large area where they would establish their own laws, have their own leaders and they would expand their territory.
I'd like to see some Libertarian ideas implemented, but don't go full Libertarian.
>>70319225
you are exhibiting an astonishing amount of mental gymnastics.
>implying government can't enforce simple economic laws
if i lend my friend £10 and he agrees to pay be back £12, how the government gonna find out ?
>that's result of corruption, completely different problem and hardly an issue in this case.
The biggest propagator and participant in corruption is the government.
>history has thought as differently
the Systems which have incorporated usury have been weaker through history - like this one and roman - ultimately destroyed by the stronger ones that didn't - medieval and ours soon to muslim, so that statement is false
Usury provides bad results when it isn't open to the free market. The cases you state are when the government has forced usury on it people by allowing to use only one currency (controlled by the government or by "Jews" through the government, corruption) and then inflated it thus devaluing the cash held by the normal civilians. Good instances of usury are if someone needs transport to a new job, they have to lend money to buy a car, which they will then pay of once they have had employment for a while. This greatly improves the life of the loanee.
>>70320793
government controlled internest
jews banned from privately doing banking
sounds like usury ban to me
>>70320839
anarcho capitalism only allows what "works" to survive. In this way it is different from other ideologies and said by some to not be an ideology itself.
>>70320242
your concept of economy is very limited.
>>70320850
>if i lend my friend £10 and he agrees to pay be back £12, how the government gonna find out ?
you see, back in the middle ages there was a positive atmosphere in the society so people didn't strive to fraud like they do today
Money wasn't the basis of society and there was strict hierarchy so there wasn't motivation like there is today
small thefts always happen, it is not the goal to stomp down every last penny passed illegaly, but to make sure there isn't a criminal pattern
>The biggest propagator and participant in corruption is the government.
that logic (let's assume it for sake of the argument) is Applied to all governments,
in middle ages government was absolutely minimal so what you jsut said actually Works as an argument for me lol
>Usury provides bad results when it isn't open to the free market. The cases you state are when the government has forced usury on it people by allowing to use only one currency (controlled by the government or by "Jews" through the government, corruption) and then inflated it thus devaluing the cash held by the normal civilians. Good instances of usury are if someone needs transport to a new job, they have to lend money to buy a car, which they will then pay of once they have had employment for a while. This greatly improves the life of the loanee.
traditional society with economy focused on production needs no usury,
medieval one has no place for it within itself
it has proven more succesful than the ones you talk of
>>70320415
There's nothing wrong loans, principally because no-one is forcing you to take them. I've never had any credit or finance, don't intend to.
>>70320509
I am discussing in the limits of reason, stop shifting the goal posts and making false comparisons. Ostracism was a democratic tool to remove unpopular political figures and tyrants, and they usually weren't killed. Burning people alive because you believe they have magic powers is insanity.
Fucking hell, you know what, fuck it I can't debate 10 people at once. I don't care. I'm sick of wasting my life arguing with Commies, Fascists and SJWs, because its never going to get through. You fuckers want to throw away the only thing that made life bearable for 90% of the population because some dumb fucking bum like Marx or a power hungry tyrant like Hitler said so, ignoring the objective fact that Capitalism and freedom are the only systems that produce none shit-countries, fine. Just don't run around screaming at me about "degeneracy" when white people are the cause of their own downfall. Why should I give a single fuck about the "white race" when most of you are just commies and people who want to lord over me?
Just remember, for all Marx's "farout" ideas, where the fuck did it get anyone? Where are your precious "revolutionaries" now? And Nazis, where is Germany? Getting raped by Africans and the very fucking Commies you love to lick the arse of. And where are the capitalists? The only ones still doing something useful while bieng forced at gunpoint by commie and fascist governments to pay for Tyrone DeNigger Johnson's 50 kids and liberal college experiments to enslave and shame white people. And that's where the white race is going.
I'm just glad Capitalists have already mined most of the Earth's coal and oil. You are fucked if we don't colonize space within the next century, we're going to be stuck here Look forward to your future without capitalism my friends, its going to be a blast! Literally.
>>70308451
A while ago I believed anarchism was fucking retarded (like most people here probably), but the more I thought about it the more it made sense... I mean, what is there that can only be done by the state and not by a free market? Haven't seen a single good argument in this thread so far. The only bad thing I can find about ancap is the way to achieve it, so much fucking violence and death... But I guess it's inevitable if you want true freedom.
>>70321194
Paying taxes to point guns at people works.
>>70321309
>your concept of economy is very limited.
how so?
there is nothing in my statements that would lead to such conclusion so I will have to assume this is you trying to make my argumentation look bad by attacking my knowledge which is basically ad hominem
>>70321648
these are no longer arguments, but it seems you have come down to reddit style rants and trash talk
typical sjw breakdown, like all sjws do when they are ofc refuted
read this and educate yourself more, it will help [serious, not trying to make fun or demean]
also in my statements ive meant "jew" as a social label, not an ethnic or religious one so there won't be any confusion
>>70321738
Watch out, they'll draw their most potent argument at you...
...ROADS!
Because only the state could possibly need and build those, right?!
>>70321738
Think harder, 99% of the population over time will just end up voluntarily entering into literal debt-bondage to 1% of the population if it becomes a choice... which would eventual become necessary to survive when the smartest grab control of all the land
http://cog.kent.edu/lib/Philmore1/Philmore1.htm
>>70321648
a lot of people try to cancel their contracts after realicing their mistakes, that kind of worse of the worst's conduct is building it's place as a political lobby nowadays
>>70322177
Most prosper countries in the world match with the ones with all around most respected property rights and contracts are respected, applied and enforced by law
And it has always been like that, any time in history. It's not an argument when it's just a matter of fact checking.
Of course it wouldn't work, who do you think builds your roads and infrastructure?
>>70321738
One problem is that if I am a billionaire living in Murica, what would stop me from building an army and taking over the Anarchist state?
There would be a lot of death trying to achieve an ancap society. Rich people would simply prepare for it by buying a lot of guns and then they could simply take over because there's no government with a tax funded military to oppose them.
You'd go back to a regular democracy in no time.
>>70322640
>One problem is that if I am a billionaire living in Murica, what would stop me from building an army and taking over the Anarchist state?
The non aggression principle :^)
>>70322265
How could you have slavery without the government, faggot? It's only possible if it's part of the local culture (which isn't the case in the west).
The smartest controlling all the land is a bad thing, but the government controlling all the land is kosher?
>>70321638
>you see, back in the middlksdfio blah blah blah bullshit bullshit blah blah blah
how you can kid yourself as far as this astounds me.
Your attempt at an argument depends on usury being inherently bad which it isnt.
>that logic (let's assume it for sake of the argument) is Applied to all governments, in middle ages government was absolutely minimal so what you jsut said actually Works as an argument for me lol.
You are so retarded. Anarcho-capitalism is a system completely absent of government (defined as monopolized use of aggression).
>traditional society with economy focused on produsdfsdf BLAH BLAH BLAH.
NOT AN ARGUMENT and wheres your evidence.
>>70322177
Arguments don't work. I've been arguing all my life against you people and it will never sink through. Rational argument isn't worth a dime when you're arguing with reality denying irrational people, suh as you. Take for instance your insistance of calling me a SKW. If you had listened to what I was saying I'm the polar opposite. But you'll still win the argument anyway because people are dumb and prefer to listen to blind insults and feel "better" than others rather than reason. You're just like those retards 300 years ago rounding up disabled old people and burning them alive because "muh sorcery". I think you'll fit in nicely in the coming dark ages anon. Because lord knows you'll need that mentality. They'll be no 4chan for you to air contridictory views, no moot to make exuses for free speech. You'll have your head chopped off for disagreeing with King Abdul that Yakub did not create white people.
>>70311886
>national libertarianism
Doesn't exist. Stop this meme.
Guys, guys, guys, we should have a strong state that protects borders, private property, guards against foreigners and has strong militaristic tendencies and we also should have no state at all and leave everything to be done between two people as they see fit in a voluntary manner. We should unite together under one nation and be the greatest of people but we should also be totally individualistic, each man an island, everyone for himself.
>>70322746
controlling all of something is just a myth, even the most stupid and failure of poltards can be a humble shareholder of google or any big bussiness
people is just too misinformed
>>70322942
>implying you can predict the future.
over time government (monopolized use of aggression) will erode the rights of the individual and drive itself into the ground. What you are describing was the beginning of most western societies, look where they are now.
Who do ancaps vote for?
>>70322942
That's what I am thinking, but I don't see Libertarians saying anything like that.
All I see is them going on about having no borders and how no one should be pointing guns at anyone.
It is a slippery slope though. If you have an army defending the country you need taxes. If you have taxes you need tax collection and people who will enforce it. If you need to punish people for not paying taxes then you need jails since you can't simply shoot everyone for not paying taxes. If you have jails then you need some sort of medical care for the people in jail etc.
Maybe instead of saying ''what if we have ancap, but..'' we should say ''let's just have a smaller government with less laws and less taxes''.
>>70323769
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO68Kvb9fD4&nohtml5=False
please listen to whole thing, please.
>>70308451
It's the political ideology most based on fantasy
>>70323704
>it's the hour to choose a game that everyone must play, vote time
>someone don't want to take part of that shit because he want to play his own shit or not play at all
what does he votes?
Has he got any choice in the first place?
>>70323943
I probably will. I am not that deep into Libertarianism yet. Only started taking interest in it because of the Argument Man.
>>70322640
The people living inthe anarchist state, which will most likely be all armed and prepared for an invasion, and other states too, fearing that you would gain too much power? No mercenaries will go on a suicide mission for you.
>>70324062
yeh, the fantasy part of it is claiming freedom while being a slave of your neightbours while they're happy about it
because most people, you included, are completely trash worse than animals, pure evil
>>70324181
Easy there Juanito
>>70324081
If what you think doesn't effect me at all, then why would I care about what you think.
>>70308451
Cowards know thry cannot compete under the free market thus they argue that they need some measurements to depress the competition.
>>70322177
>no longer arguments
>>70319224
Anarchic syndicalism is the only sensible form of anarchy and even still pushes the boundaries of what is really anarchism
>>70324093
the correct logical conclusion of libertarianism is anarcho capitalism.
There are loads of great resources for material to learn from and listen to. I would start with misesmedia youtube page and look though most watched videos for topic you find interesting. Stefan molyneux has great videos as well but you will have to cherry pick for anarcho capitalism related videos. Tom woods youtube page aswell.
>>70308451
Always has been, always will be. Statism Is political depression, the belief that you can't handle your own affairs.
>>70324530
What about the Libertarians who claim Libertarian Socialism is the way to go?
>>70324915
liberty/freedom is absence of aggression. If the "socialist" part of their ideas requires aggression to redistribute resources then it does not hold liberty/freedom as its highest ideal and is therefore just statism/ nomral socialism. If they just want to share loads without the use of aggression to force others to share, then thats just the same as capitalism in everything apart from name.
>>70324829
Statism is what happens when the people that live to the east band together form a giant army and come try and fuck your shit up.
You and your village hear about this and realize you either have to run like a bunch of bitches or start banding together and conscript all the pussies who try to bail.
Then you win the battle, defend your lands and realize, "hey wait, why are we working so hard? We have this big army now, we can just go take resources from our neighbors(taxes)"
The state is just a very large very strong cartel.
>>70324451
you're just as arrogant, violent and evil fucks as everyone else, scum, you're so self aware of your own stupidity you hate to negotiate
>>70324915
libertarianism principle is the non agresion principle, you can't force anything to w/e is not your fucking bussiness, and your butt hurt feelings doesn't make it your bussiness either
so anarchocommies are still cucks
>>70308451
不是。马克思列宁主义是最好,和你们都知道这。中华人民共和国是世界的最好国,也是马克思列宁主义国。
>>70317085
Lichestein and Andorra are such a failure....
>>70318233
Somalia is doing better right now than with their socialist goverment. Retards put them as an example because they are unimformed.
>>70308451
Degenerancy.
>>70308451
Yes.
>>70318271
It doesnt have to be a goverment. Organizations like the church or insurance like companies would be the most likely substitute. This being better or worse is just a matter of personal opinion.
>>70319198
Why call it anarcho capitalism. It's just free enterprise. Pure ancapism can't protect us from strong militaristic nations ready to invade. Russia was a decentralized mess like western europe before the mongols invaded and now they follow the statist authoritarian adage "get big or get eaten" to survive. Sure, giving the people the freedom to risk their money for financial gain is nice, but it's not an universal remedy for every sector of a civilization.
>>70327883
Degenerates starve in Ancap
>>70328037
Ever heard of Patreon?
You cucks criticizing Ancap are all a bunch of state-worshipers socialists.
Anacap is for alphas. No wonder that a bunch of weebs and betas dont support it
>>70328568
Not an argument.
