What is moral basis of nationalism?
Usually Christianity and history.
Your country > All other countries
>>70281643
Caring about the greater good of your people
>>70281643
Not being a cuck.
Nationalism send is your definite stick fabric lacking soundwaves increased in liquids.
>>70281788
Literally this
>>70281643
Pic related sure isn't
>>70281643
Why Are We Nationalists?
We are nationalists because we see the nation as the only way to bring all the forces of the nation together to preserve and improve our existence and the conditions under which we live.
The nation is the organic union of a people to protect its life. To be national is to affirm this union in word and deed. To be national has nothing to do with a form of government or a symbol. It is an affirmation of things, not forms. Forms can change, their content remains. If form and content agree, then the nationalist affirms both. If they conflict, the nationalist fights for the content and against the form. One may not put the symbol above the content. If that happens, the battle is on the wrong field and one’s strength is lost in formalism. The real aim of nationalism, the nation, is lost.
That is how things are today in Germany. Nationalism has turned into bourgeois patriotism and its defenders are battling windmills. One says Germany and means the monarchy. Another proclaims freedom and means Black-White-Red [the colors of the German flag]. Would our situation today be any different if we replaced the republic with a monarchy and flew the black-white-red flag? The colony would have different wallpaper, but its nature, its content, would stay the same. Indeed, things would be even worse, for a facade that conceals the facts dissipates the forces today fighting against slavery.
Bourgeois patriotism is the privilege of a class. It is the real reason for its decline. When 30 million are for something and 30 million are against it, things balance out and nothing happens. That is how things are with us. We are the world’s Pariah not because we do not have the courage to resist, but rather because out entire national energy is wasted in eternal and unproductive squabbling between the right and the left. Our way only goes downward, and today one can already predict when we will fall into the abyss.
>>70281951
>>70281643
Nationalism is more wide-reaching than internationalism. It sees things as they are. Only he who respects himself can respect others. If as a German nationalist I affirm Germany, how can I hold it against a French nationalist who affirms France? Only when these affirmations conflict in vital ways will there be a power-political struggle. Internationalism cannot undo this reality. Its attempts at proof fail completely. And even when the facts seem to have some validity, nature, blood, the will to life, and the struggle for existence on this hard earth prove the falsity of fine theories.
The sin of bourgeois patriotism was to confound a certain economic form with the national. It connected two things that are entirely different. Forms of the economy, however firm they may seem, are changeable. The national is eternal. If I mix the eternal and the temporal, the eternal will necessarily collapse when the temporal collapses. This was the real cause for the collapse of liberal society. It was rooted not in the eternal, but in the temporal, and when the temporal declined it took the eternal down with it. Today it is only an excuse for a system that brings growing economic misery. That is the only reason why international Jewry organizes the battle of the proletarian forces against both powers, the economy and the nation, and defeat them.
From this understanding, the young nationalism draws its absolute demand. The faith in the nation is a matter for everyone, never a group, a class or an economic clique. The eternal must be distinguished from the temporal. Maintaining a rotten economic system has nothing to do with nationalism, which is an affirmation of the Fatherland. I can love Germany and hate capitalism. Not only can I, I must. Only the annihilation of a system of exploitation carries with it the core of the rebirth of our people.
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>>70281736
Yes, this is exactlty what I mean. Isn't it sort of selfishness? Pls redpill. I don't want to be cucked.
>>70281951
>>70281987
>>70281643
We are nationalists because as Germans, we love Germany. Because we love Germany, we want to preserve it and fight against those who would destroy it. If a Communist shouts “Down with nationalism!”, he means the hypocritical bourgeois patriotism that sees the economy only as a system of slavery. If we make clear to the man of the left that nationalism and capitalism, that is the affirmation of the Fatherland and the misuse of its resources, have nothing to do with each other, indeed that they go together like fire and water, then even as a socialist he will come to affirm the nation, which he will want to conquer.
That is our real task as National Socialists. We were the first to recognize the connections, and the first to begin the struggle. Because we are socialists we have felt the deepest blessings of the nation, and because we are nationalists we want to promote socialist justice in a new Germany.
A young fatherland will rise when the socialist front is firm.
Socialism will become reality when the Fatherland is free.
>Joseph Goebbels
http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/haken32.htm
there is none
it's just a last ditch effort to save a dying civilization
didn't work for the nazis
won't work 4 u
>>70282040
Your people matter, other peoples problems are other peoples problems, to let your people suffer is cruel and evil, to let them suffer in the name of other people is traitorous.
>>70281643
>What is moral basis of nationalism?
Nationalism just means everyone has the right to self determination. Russia for the Russians, Hungary for the Hungarians, America for Americans, Uganda for Ugandans. That's all it is. Imagine, with nationalism nobody will complain how this white privilege bullshit.
>>70282040
So what if it's selfish?
I'd rather share what I have with people I have something in common with.
It's much more preferable to being forced to share my shit with foreign faggots who actively work to destroy my nation through whatever means they can lay their grubby unwashed hands on.
>>70281643
1) distinct groups of people exist
2) the desire to prefer one's own group to other groups is perfectly natural. In fact, it is an indispensable aspect of human nature. Most people naturally prefer their own family, ethnic group, and race over other groups.
3) it is inhumane and, furthermore, impossible to completely suppress this instinct. People are not capable of caring about all other people equally.
4) "nations" are the inevitable result this. A "nation", in the loosest sense, is a group of people who share common identity and, broadly speaking, have common concerns and interests.
5) As stated above, most people will naturally prefer their own "nation" over other nations, and will work to further the interests of their own nation.
6) the desire for and belief in the importance of the strength and prosperity of one's own nation is what is commonly referred to as "nationalism".
Of course it is possible to reject one of all of these premises, but to do so would be tactical Nihilism or something akin to it.
>inb4 "muh naturalistic fallacy"
>>70281643
Not letting dindus and uncivilized apes walk all over you, actually keeping your culture instead of letting retards dilute it with stupidity.
The aim of nationalism is not to censor content, but to create context.
Basically everything in this picture.
Kojima really was ahead of the times when he made MGS2
>>70282108
Objectively, selfishness is bad. I want to explain nationalism from side "prosperity and success of my nation is prosperity and success for mankind"
>>70282579
Most nationalism isn't like that. You're confusing nationalism with patriotism.
>>70282579
Globalism is genocide, genocide is bad.
>>70282040
so what? It's "selfish" in the same sense as a father giving his children presents but not giving presents to the kids down the street.
>>70282579
I reject the very christian premise that something must be universalized in order for it to be good. Why do I have to care if the rest of mankind is prosperous and successful? What obligation does one nation have to worry about the well being of another nation? I would challenge you to explain why a bit of selfishness is "objectively" evil
>>70281643
rather helping your brother than strangers
>>70282879
It's practically a civil war between globalists and nationalists that's going on now. And I can't see why anyone would be on the globalist side unless you're a high 1% tier businessman
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>>70282579
>Objectively, selfishness is bad
No, you need to defend this statement.
>>70281849
>leaf
>>70281734
>Your country > All other countries
Get ta fuck. The etymology of the word nation means blood, born of kind, of stock. Nations are built on blood, even america was build mainly by whites, 1960s was 90% white, now it's something like 60%.
Brazil Mk2 incoming. Shitskins fuck things up.
>expecting an intelligent discussion on /pol/
That a sovereign unoccupied nation's first priority should be to protect and serve it's citizens.
>>70281734
>>70282040
Nationalism absolutely does not implicitly mean elitism or superiority.
>>70283491
Yeah, sadly we didn't previously need to make a distinction, because countries WERE based on blood.
>>70282040
In today's multiculti America, we are all strangers to one another. I haven't the slightest connection to the various people, whether they be white, black, Asian, Hispanic, ect. I do not trust anyone around me and I do not see them as anything more than a more than likely enemy. They and I do not belong together, but today's laws and such have beat it into my head that this is the way it should be.
In a nationalist society, I would love in a community similar to a small village of ethnically similar people. People I could say are people. A unique group of people I could be proud of. People I would live and die for. Ein volk
>>70282879
Globalism isn't genocide, just transformation to NWO. Nobody wants to exterminate races, but transform. I want to understand, our desire to save nations is rational or not? Can divided humanity explore the Universe?
>>70284016
brazil is pretty "transformed". Do you think they'll be the ones to reach the stars?
>>70281643
My forefathers spent their lives making this nation great.
Some gave died defending this nation.
I honor them by making it greater.
Is that not moral?
>>70281643
>What is moral basis of nationalism?
My tribe is better than your tribe.
So get lost already.
>>70284016
>Can divided humanity explore the Universe?
Of course. It's called cooperation.
It's simply not very effective to form too large entities. Smaller, autonomous, even competing cells are generally much better.
>>70285700
having pride in your country isn't a bad thing. it often inspires people to create better ways of life for their fellow citizens, if not the world
once you are no longer proud of your culture, it gets overtaken. example: your continent right now
what is the moral basis for anything?
>>70286819
>what is the moral basis for anything?
reciprocity
>>70281643
The concept of self determination.
A people should be able to create their own society based on their own cultural values and preferences and traditions, without having to accommodate for everyone else in the world.
It bothers me that so many people see nationalism as a bad thing. Aficans should be allowed to live their own way of life, Asians should be allowed their cultures and traditions. Same for europeans, Latin Americans, and whatever distinct groups of people exist.
I personally would advocate land and governments being allocated for all peoples, even subsets of existing nations. Kurds should have their own country. So should Australian aborigines. Same with amish. I think the native american reservation system is flawed, but is a good basic concept.
>>70282040
It is.
/pol/ just has this radical idea that your own needs are at least as important as anybody elses, but you're the only one that's going to stick up for yourself, so you need to do it.
>>70282040
> I don't want to be cucked.
Nationalism is about nationality. You have many nationalities and too many Muslims in your country. A nationalist cannot support that.
>>70288626
You don't know how empires works and you don't know geostrategical imperatives of Russian state. Russia needs to conquer all lands around until Russians would control natural barriers like mountains, seas etc., to protect itself. Russian policy of creating empires is a question of national surviving, so Russian nationalist support this.
>>70289536
Example is Chechnya. Some retarded nationalist says: "we should give independence to Chechnya and others to live in purely Russian state". But they don't understand that Chechnya without Russian control would be a nursery of radical islamists who threaten Russia's security.
