The best way to beat a libertarian in an argument is to bring up the success of Scandinavian socialism. Checkmate.
That'll all change very soon. You haven't had shitskins to ruin it like the rest of us.
but those who work and end up paying for this "free" shit have to spend very moderately.
Give it 10 years.
I'd be willing to pay more taxes for more services like the Scandinavians do. What's wrong with that?
Denmark is civilized and white (for now). America is neither. This is why it's called Scandinavian socialism and why American libertarians are not wrong.
>>70259038
Denmark is not Socialist.
"I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy,” Rasmussen said.
http://www.thelocal.dk/20151101/danish-pm-in-us-denmark-is-not-socialist
Let their own PM tell you the truth, and stop making these idiotic threads.
>>70259038
All white...checkmate.
The market is not state run, it isnt socialism.
>>70259038
Stop framing us you fucking cuck. Denmark is against multiculturalism because we love that culture can differ across country borders. America don't listen to these jelous leaf-cucks! Don't change. We love that you're not like us, that's what making the world exciting.
>>70259038
yeah, totally because 71 years is such a great sample from which one can come to absolutely universal conclusions
love the "happiness" metric tho
>>70259499
This, people seem to think that a country can be socialist without having a planned economy even though that is basically the defenition of socialism.
Why does the colour of your skin have ANYTHING to do with economic policy?
>>70259038
The best way to beat a "Socialist" in a argument is not to argue at all, but rather let them talk enough to make their own noose and let them hang themselves with it.
>>70259038
they pay about 75% of that $20 an hour in taxes. If you do the math they make about $6 an hour compared to Americans due to taxes.
>>70259038
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz5Oyze8ziI
They don't have niggers and spics who abuse the system. Though I am interested in seeing their society crumble after the mass importation of rapefugees.
>>70259038
And your case you hanged yourself with your first post. Good job DUDE WEED LMAO.
>Free
FUCKING. STOP. USING. US. AS. AN. EXAMPLE. YOU. FUCKING. MONGS.
>>70259499
This.
If we couldn't live up to the UNs Copenhagen criteria then we couldn't be a member of the EU. That itself is a proof.
>>70259833
that's on par with profit share of pimped-out whores lmao
>>70259038
""""""""""""""""FREE"""""""""""""""
>>70259745
Because sweetpea, brown-skinned people drain more in taxes than they put in. They also do not have the capacity for altruism that whites do. You cannot accept this yet, because you took the "We're all the same inside!" meme too literally as a child.
>>70259038
The Prime Minister of Denmark came all the way to Harvard to tell you to stop calling them a socialist country.
They are a highly competitive market economy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgrJnXZ_WGo
>>70259038
Oh Canada....
https://mises.org/blog/if-sweden-and-germany-became-us-states-they-would-be-among-poorest-states
It's free if you are using the services and not paying for it
>>70259499
Americans think all welfarism is "socialism", they have no concept of the kind of ordoliberal welfarism we have in Europe.
>>70259390
Won't be any scandavians in the near future. Notice how they aren't using sweden as a prop anymore?
It works on a small scale where everyone contributes and there is already an abundance of natural resources.
>>70260197
No. Americans and Canadians have been brought up to think that "Socialism" is simply whenever the Government does something. Especially if that something is with tax money.
>>70259833
This is not true though.
We have an 8% of work-market contribution (if you're employees) and generally paying 35% of actual tax. Also, each year you get to earn 6114 dollars un-taxed.
>>70259038
Success according to which metric?
Being libertarian is about allowing people to be as free to choose as possible.
>>70259038
My grandgrandmother was Danish. gib citizenshp
>>70259499
The point is that pol fags will scream socialism and comunist as soon as you say ''Free healtcare or free education''.
Faggots.
>>70259038
>$20 MINIMUM WAGE
So? That doesn't mean fuck all when your currency is in the shitter. Pic related, 20 Danish Krone equals 3.06 US Dollars.
A minimum wage job in the U.S. is equivalent to a $59 minimum wage in Denmark.
>33 hour work week
So they make less money, work much less...
>FREE FREE FREE
And I'm going to assume that the little money they do have is eaten up by the tax man if they offer all this free shit.
How does the cost of goods and services compare? How much is a gallon of milk in Denmark?
>>70259038
Denmark has a lower corporate tax rate than the US. Not to mention they also have the highest rate of per capita debt in the western world.
>>70260137
>The Prime Minister of Denmark came all the way to Harvard to tell you to stop calling them a socialist country.
Oh fuck, my sides.
I know of a Tunisian muslim man that lived in Denmark for twenty years and had three children with a white Danish woman before ditching her and the kids and coming to America. He gets monthly checks from the Danish government and flies back to Denmark when he wants to get surgery or whatever. One of his kids is a gang member with two kids and one of them is autistic. They eat up welfare shit. Danes are cucked beyond belief.
>>70259038
Doesn't Denmark have a population under 6 million people? It's probably easier to keep you unemployment numbers low when you have a smaller population then are large city in the US. Hell, we have nearly 30 million blacks in this country and they really aren't contributing much to society. Socialism can't work with that many parasites on the system.
>>70259946
What's it really like?
Do you not receive all these free amenities?
What are the taxes like? Astronomical?
>>70259038
how long can they keep that up after letting in lots of uneducated, low-skilled thirdworlders
>>70259038
I live in a country with the Nordic model and I absolutely hate it, due to the extreme limits put on you.
Now what?
>>70260380
You also pay other taxes (car VAT, you name it)
If it's anything like here. We fucking have a tax on sugar for examplemaking everything damn expensive.
And Denmark is more expensive country than Finland.
In reality you pay a lot more taxes, not just income tax
>>70259185
fpbp
>>70260295
It's not about the scale or the resources. It's about the people, culture, social trust and work ethics.
Just tell about how the heavy taxation bring the need for social handout.
Seriously, on my part-time salary I get 1/3 of it shaved off to pay for retirement, free health care and other shit. Here's the kicker tho ;
>Free healthcare
Is no longer free, thanks to all the shitskins, the shitskins do get free healthcare. You got more chance to have free healthcare if you're not even french at all than a french that work.
>Social benefits
I wouldn't need them at all if I had my full salary. I would make more actually.
>Retirement
I literally pay for other's retirement, not mine. Will I have one ? Will the country be able to pay for mine when the time come ? I doesn't seem like it at the rate.
Fuck everything.
>>70260555
topkek
>>70260555
Food is expensive here.
One liter of ecological milk cost 8 danish crowns. I noticed that you already did the math yourself, so I won't convert to usd.
Also, we don't have a minimum wage, the 100 danish crowns pr hour is union/workplace agreement.
And yes, we are taxed a lot but we don't really have poor people, everyone has more than enough. It is hard to start up a business though due to being fucked over by regulations, unions and bureaucracies.
>>70260555
>A minimum wage job in the U.S. is equivalent to a $59 minimum wage in Denmark.
are you fucking retarded?
>>70261009
I heard a bunch of millionaires just left your country too, is that true that rich people find it prudent to get the fuck out of France?
>>70261106
I was just looking it up, food does look expensive after converting for currency.
Still, doesn't sound bad though. You guys obviously make it work.
>>70260693
Danes: 5,6 millions
Us niggers: 10 - 12 % (I think they're about 6 million niggers in us)
>>70261009
>I wouldn't need them at all if I had my full salary. I would make more actually.
This is also wrong. Here even some full time employed peoples (families) end up having benefit to pay their rent.
Why do you have to recycle that money through some bureaucracy?
>>70261106
>One liter of ecological milk cost 8 danish crowns
How is this expensive?
>>70261271
Oops, used my states minimum wage of $9.47
If you use the lowest minimum wage in the U.S., it is equivalent to making 47.43 Danish Krone
>>70259038
I thouht Denmark was the country that consumed the most anti depressants per capita
>>70260815
>Do you not receive all these free amenities?
You receive it but it's shit.
Universities are nowhere near the US or UK level, childcare has huge lines and usually suck, healthcare is beyond shit and mistakes are not taken care of.
For a doctors visit you have to pay money (like 10-20% of the total cost of the visit). If you have a serious illness, good luck to you.
My dad had cancer and they spent 1 year trying to find out, of course, they couldn't do jack shit when they found out because it took them so long.
>What are the taxes like?
I think all Nordic countries have a tax rate of 30%-46% max, VAT rates change within the countries (in Norway its 25% on EVERYTHING, here it can be 18%+).
You pretty much get punished for being successful, and due to this there is no true success in any of the Nordic countries.
Sure, there are classes, but both of them can afford more or less the same "things" so to say, so no one really cares about being an achiever.
The only thing is the lower class which is even more punished due to the high cost on pretty much everything, and the low payment on benefits which in turn creates a loan trap of which they rarely get out of - even if they do score a good job.
(This isn't necessarily from a Danish perspective - I've lived in 3 Nordic countries and have experienced pretty much the same bullshit in all countries - An extreme level of bureaucracy)
>>70260380
You are ignoring all the nanny state taxes your socialist state imposes on you. I wasn't just referring to your income tax. You give most of the money you make back to the government: Fact.
>>70261271
No. But you are. Learn to exchange rate. :)
relevant
>>70259038
>2nd highest antidepressant consumption in yurope
Yeah I don't think it's that happy.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2013/nov/20/mental-health-antidepressants-global-trends
>>70261009
Some truth to this.
It's funny that the biggest advocates of the welfare state, are also the biggest advocate of the thing that'll lead to its doom: shitskin immigration.
>>70260555
This currency conversion meme will never die huh?
>>70261347
French gov attacked a Rothchild or something. It was on here weeks ago.
>>70259038
But is it diverse?
>>70261403
More like 39 million.
>>70259038
its all based on oil profits plebenstein.
>>70261784
Well, like I said it is useless without knowing how much common goods cost. It would be foolish to directly compare currencies and ignore cost of living.
>>70261554
You can get a non-ecological for half that price?
>>70261646
Anon, please stop.
btw, just under this was a link to forbes saying $20 minimum wage in denmark is a myth.
>>70259038
Predominate race is what again?
Maybe that is why it works?
>>70259038
The funny this about this is that the people singing the praises of Scandinavian are most often not themselves Scandinavian.
When I see comments from Scandinavians, they very often have serious gripes and complaints about their system. I've heard people thinking of fleeing because it's getting so bad there, economically.
>>70259337
That's what you guys said 10 years ago.
>>70262123
Actually, nevermind. I think they've said it about us as much as 50 years ago. Our fall hasn't happened yet.
Well, that's what I get for believing an infographic without checking it.
Fug. I'll leave now.
>>70259038
I feel like you leaf fags only come onto pol to start shit...
>>70261738
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just not sure about which taxes you're refering too. I noticed an other guy mentioning the vac and those aren't really that big of a deal.
>>70261726
>You receive it but its shit
But it's better than nothing, is it not?
>>70261347
Of course they are leaving. Work ethic is fucked, you cannot invest here with all the regulation and taxes. And with civil war looming i'd gtfo far away with my gf to start anew if I had the mean. France is dead unless the patriots manage to somehow retake the country.
>>70261431
And yet, the socialists are blaming the middle class for all the ills of society, I truly don't understand what is happening. People are so blinded by love and tolerance, I don't understand how they can find a world, where people are so crushed they cannot live from their own work, FUCKING FAIR !
To speak with numbers, I make ~1050€ delivering pizza 20h a week, after tax that's ~650€. And then from these 650€ you can deduct all the taxes on food, tobacco, home... God bless i'm not into income tax territory, YET !
>>70259499
Nice. But you can always go full Gavin McInnes on them by saying "Denmark is whiter, so lets deport all niggers and we'd be as good as them"
Free health care and college are a great deal . I would rather get free college then be 300k in debt for a a sociology degree
Why is Denmark considered Scandinavian anyway? I thought it was the Jutland Peninsula.
>>70260688
Niggers are worthless for the most part.
Because one nigger wants to work. We have to accept the other 5 billion.
>>70259038
Why not the success of Canadian socialism? Or the success of the Socialism used by the USSR?
>>70260815
Taxes:
Average income tax 50%
VAT (sales tax for Americlaps) is 25%
Car tax is 180%, hence why everyone cycles everywhere
so let's say i open a small fast food restaurant in denmark. open for 12 hours per day.
let's say that on average, i have 30 customers per hour. they, on average, gonna spend 10$. however, my profit is 4$, since the average cost of my imported materials is 6$.
now then, 4$ per customer. 4x30 = 120$ per hour. 120x12=
1440$ profit per day.
say i have 1 cashier (12h), 1 waiter (12h), 1 cleaner (6h) and 2 cooks (12h).
(employees obviously work in rotation, working 12 hours straight is against labor laws)
21x12 + 21x12 + 21x6 + 42x12 =
252 + 252 + 504 +126 =
1134$ wage expenses per day
1440 - 1134 = 306$ daily profit (12 hours worth). AS A BUSINESSMAN.
21 x 12 = 252$ daily profit (12 hours worth). AS A MINIMUM WAGE WORKER.
WITHOUT TAXES, INSURANCE, AND MAINTAINANCE OF EQUIPMENT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. and assuming that i will ALWAYS have 30 customers per hour.
why would i ever invest 100,000$+ into buying the building and necessary equipment for a high risk/low profit establishment, when i can make almost half as much by working as a minimum wage worker for 6 hours every day? what misscalculation have i done?
>>70259705
I chose to believe you. Meme is about you, you say untrue. You're from there.
Thread debunked.
Let's go get a beer shall ye?
>>70262262
Do you have hope that your patriots will recover the country?
>>70262264
Haha, maybe next time this maple dude makes this thread i'll add that.
>>70261872
I hate to be the wiki guy, but it says 12.6 in 2010.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_African-American_population
>>70262245
I'd honestly rather have nothing, because sometimes that's what you get anyway.
A good example of this is the road network, where the taxes are extremely high to discourage people from driving, only problem is, unless you live in the center of a city you're pretty much required to have a car, so most people get it anyway. Yet, the road network is shit, roads are falling apart etc.
>>70259038
> a fucking leaf
>>70262405
Hmm, I wonder why Denmark's GDP has come to a crawl
>>70262506
Thank you. You're a good man.
>>70259038
>happiest
>that suicide rate
Sure dane
>>70259038
you stupid fuck. i hope this is a troll because, there is no minimum wage in denemark you pleb.
>>70259705
Hans Island is ours
>>70261646
>>70261754
The minimum wage is stated in USD.
>>70261403
320 million is our population size, iirc. 13% of that is niggers. So about 41.6 million niggers.
>>70262405
4 dollars isn't enough clearly
>>70262262
>Patriots
>In France
Please, that French Revolution is a worse event humanity suffers after than slavery.
It literally made anarchism, communism and far-left faggotry cool, and dipshits are still falling for it in shocking numbers these days.
>>70259038
>beating a libertarian
Why would you want to attack one of the most inherently redpilled political schools of thought?
>>70262073
It's not a bad system and the people unhappy with it are usually the loudest, but also a minority. Though because of the mass invasion of gibs me dat-shitskins, we'll most likely see the end of the system, if not by implosion, like we'll see very soon in Sweden, then by will of the ethnic people, who are fed up with paying for foreign invaders, while seeing their own benefits fading away.
>free healthcare
First wait 4h to see a russian doctor who doesn't speak Finnish and knows nothing, That'll be 20€
>private health care
Wait 15min max and pay 50€ to see a better doctor
Public health care is shit
>>70262965
0/10 bait, won't even bother
>>70262245
Is that your new argument in favor of socialized healthcare? "Better than nothing"?
>Sure it's not as good as your private practitioner, but it's better than laying in the bathtub and slowly dying!
>>70262596
With a total population of around 320 million present day. I would rather know the truth, but it really is close to 40 million.
>>70262073
Nordic brain drain?
>>70262965
if they could pay them less they would.
yes they are worth 1000 times you serving me my burger you fucking leaf
>>70259038
"free"
>>70262191
That's because your fall happened almost over 600 years ago and you never rose again.
>>70262534
None.
French are mostly a lost cause, even recently with all the riots about the shitty work laws they're trying to pass they just think "we'll just vote for that other socialist lmao".
The same crowd who voted for Holland are rioting against what he's doing and most of them cannot see the irony in how it has been predicted again and again, by "fascist" like me that his presidency would be awful. There's a handful of people waking up, but they are mostly poor educated youngs like me. And the poor cannot riot because we can't stop working. Until your average middle class start to lose his comfort nothing will happen and even then it'll be too late.
The opposition has no money, no weapon, no traction, our voice is ridiculed since "French culture" isn't so cool anymore, we're just old stupid racist hating people merely for their skin color anyway, right ?
>>70262965
oy vey. Really Canada, where is your critical thinking capacity here? That's just one person making that money, and how many employees does each company employ under 15 an hour? Spread that couple grand over hundreds and maybe thousands of employees and it's peanuts.
Look at the demographics of denmark
What percentage of them prescribe to religion?
no wonder they are happy/
>denmark
>minimum wage
that's wrong tho
>>70262924
You're literally describing what has happened to every western country. The country own culture became old and uncool while all the left became in and hip.
Sure thing it didn't happen in your bastion of strong value since it require being a successful country to being with so the average person becomes too confortable.
>>70263560
Fucking hell, just stop it.
No one is taking the bait you Canacuck moron
>>70262238
Governments spread the taxes out so you don't notice it as a percent. For instance I pay federal,state,local,social security taxes. What I have left I pay sales tax on anything I buy. In my state that's 7%, added together my income is taxed about %30. Even with my refund I pay about 21% total.
>>70259038
Correlation =/= causation faggot.
Libertarian tax haven here and we're a lot richer on average than any shithole you name. Making everyone wealthier doesn't make them happy necessarily.
>>70263190
In your example I would be talking about the people who otherwise would not have healthcare.
>>70262057
oh and what about their religious beliefs?
>>70263091
sad but true because
citizen=user
state health insurance entity=customer
user=/=customer
Our systems are artificially upheld by a single very rich corporation that keeps giving "gifts" to our national treasury in return of not having to pay taxes, except what they "feel" like paying.
Picture related.
We are cool with it though, it just won't work outside our borders.
Also fuck off we're full
>>70259038
Denmark is a homogenous country and hates refugees.
Checkmate democrats
>>70259038
>9/10 people enjoy gang-rape
>>70259038
Stefan would like to talk to you m8?
>>70262245
Fuck off, IT IS NOTHING, I got a jaw infection for several MONTHS, if I had the money that is stolen every month I would have seen a fucking dentist by now instead of having to wait a literal six(6) month to get it done at a manageable price at the hospital.
We earn the Money by letting murrica' place their nukes in Greenland.
![Operahuset%201[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OyN5sDM.jpg "Operahuset%201[1].jpg")
>>70263734
another ''donation''
>>70259038
>Small country
>Small population
>No niggers and spics
It simply won't work in the U.S, even if there wasn't niggers and spics this country is just too big and too many entitled pricks and evil corporations taking advantage of the "gibs me dat" policies.
Now that I think about it, Every bit of socialism that the U.S has is just a smart way for corrupt politicians to launder money from the government to themselves and their friends.
>>70262245
if you have nothing(aka poor) in USA you get 'free' healthcare.
And it's far, far better than what is offered in basically any socialist shithole.
t. I'm poor
Us Canadians like our socialism especially our heal care
>>70263263
This has been going on for a long time in the Nordic countries.
Everyone is educated, but there aren't any jobs for the educated.
A perfect example is Sweden, which is experiencing it's largest emigration since the 1920s - Mainly to the US and Norway, countries with superior economies at the moment, and the jobs they take in Norway for example are low tier jobs, like working in stores or restaurants.
>>70263814
I don't know why you think it would be cheaper if it were privatized.
>>70263883
how big is LEGO in your economy?
>>70263716
Funny thing is that in some towns they buy their health services (along with elder care and in some cases child care) from a private company
So the town/municipality first takes the money from you and the money goes through a heavy bureaucracy system and gives them to the private health care company
Shit is fugging ridiculous
>>70259038
This system can work but only when the nation is what 97 percent white and up. Most western nations arent so lucky
36% of Danes are on antidepressants
How is that for the happiest country in the world?
>>70263981
>$16.75 is median wage
i swear some no skill college fuck made this. this is still low tier
>>70264033
>why would a competitive market have cheaper prices than a fixed market?
Socialsm is good health care cause one trip to the hospital should not cost you your house and car
>>70264033
Insurance in the US is cheaper in every way imaginable compared to European healthcare.
That's not even taking into account the worth of the superior service you get.
>>70264033
Are you retarded ? The problem isn't the price, the problem is you gotta PAY with TAXES for "FREE" healthcare.
Also if dentist couldn't artificially inflate price to get that sweet sweet free money from the immigrants who got the true free healthcare, it would indeed be cheaper.
>>70264112
underrated post
>>70264033
I have a private health care insurance through my employer, still I have to pay for that "free health care" which I don't even use
>>70264280
>Also if dentist couldn't artificially inflate price to get that sweet sweet free money from the immigrants who got the true free healthcare,
this
if everyone is required to be covered, then they can charge whatever the hell they want
just like american universities taking government loans
they keep upping their tuition and the government keeps saying "ok"
if the government just said "no, now half your tuition" I absolutely guarantee you 99% of our universities would half their tuition or else they'd lose almost all their students.
>>70262965
>let's fire the CEO and give every employee a $0.03/hr raise
Great idea, dumbass
>>70259038
A FUCKING RETARDED LEAF
>>70263901
bingo, raising taxes wouldn't fix american "gibsmedat"-culture.
You might not think you are entitled, but that is because you grow up like that.
How many percentage of global resources are spend in 'murika? I'd wager the vast majority.
But you know what? we're cool with it. real Danes won't tell other cultures how they should behave outside our borders, ever.
>>70259038
>60% income tax
>worlds highest electricity rates
>cars are registration taxed to the fucking moon (180% of sticker price in some cases)
Yeah I'm good, thanks though
>>70259038
>We don't have a set minimum wage, it's negotiated with employers mostly through strong unions back in the day
>37 hour work week actually
>Most healthcare is free, but dental, chiropractic work and other obscure things are incredibly expensive and certainly not free
Also people tend to forget:
>Highest income tax in the world
I do think our model is great for a well developed, well educated, very homogeneous country like Denmark. But this """"""free"""""" meme has to end
>>70263393
I have empathy with your plight. It will happen to us too soon enough. I fully agree that economic turmoil is the one of the primary stirrers of those that are originally apathetic to their situation. It's just not popular to be a freedom loving white man anymore, in what seems like most western nations. I guess it will have to crumble and then rebuild, if that's even possible. Sad situation to say the least.
Question to american socialists
Do you not agree the issue in American healthcare is the fact that bills are footed by insurance and thus allowed to be artificially high as no human is expected to pay them?
Why not alleviate the issue by funding non profit hospitals at a state level to run minimal costs and take in uninsured patients who then have to foot the bill cash + interest at a standard level if they can't pay immediately?
Surely this beats forking out money to insurance companies who then raise premiums against the state?
>>70259038
>Denmark
Who?
I need proof that they are the happiest in the world.
Most Scandinavians love their socialism you guys are just a loud minority.
![maersk4ftrtr[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZxB34hI.jpg "maersk4ftrtr[1].jpg")
>>70264060
Big, but LEGO doesn't donate. Mærsk does.
Ever seen one of these containers?
>>70264237
"I'm from Missouri, you've got to show me."
Give me numbers, not assertions.
>>70264193
Yeah, that works so well for ISPs in the US where municipalities constantly have to form their own ISPs in order to get decent internet speeds and prices due to corporate greed.
>>70259038
>The best way to beat a libertarian in an argument is to bring up the success of Scandinavian socialism. Checkmate.
It's amazing what you can do with a small population and high profits from oil. Their social support system is the result of being able to afford such luxury from a free market through taxes. Of course, when that economy starts to go away, like with dropping oil price, the benefits cannot stay. Which is why Denmark is now trying to redo their social benefit system.
>>70264754
Yeah it's good leeches
Here you can live conformable life without working
I know people who are over 30 and never had a real job
>>70265045
>Yeah, that works so well for ISPs in the US where municipalities constantly have to form their own ISPs in order to get decent internet speeds and prices due to corporate greed.
except that's wrong
we don't have a free market for ISPs, we have a government mandated oligopoly.
>>70264612
>Most healthcare is free, but dental, chiropractic work and other obscure things are incredibly expensive and certainly not free
This, THIS !
Your general doctor, how is called in english ? The most basic one you go see for your everyday illness ? He's fucking useless ! He's the cheapest ! He's the one you gotta pay the less for and that one is "free".
The dentist, chiropractors, and all these specialists that treat life ruining ills ? These aren't free at all, these are expensive as fuck.
And if you though drugs were free, they aren't anymore thanks to immigration and people who abuse the system.
We can't have nice thing in 2016 don't we ?
>>70263996
So I guess what I don't get is why doesn't your department of education start getting people in your secondary education/highschool/whatever interested in vocational college or tech schools? Is there some sort of stigma against going to one of those?
>>70265130
>Denmark
>Oil
You're thinking about Norway, friendo
why do you think we'd be world leaders in wind technology if we had a fuck ton of oil? we gave it all away to the nords
>>70264568
5% of the world's population controls/consumes 25% of the world's resources. I understand why the world hates us, we live beyond our means and it's coming back to haunt us in a big way.
>>70262745
Nothing belongs to you. You are not even a real country. You are french-british tourists.
>>70265285
We might not be pumping much oil out of the north sea, but we pretty much have monopoly on oil transportation friend.
reminder that you can fit 40 denmarks inside of alaska
>>70262405
Good one greek bro. They should name you ministry of finance. Keep it for further use.
>>70264754
most scandinavians are women anon
women aught not be listened to in regards to political legislature
>>70259038
>Implying Danish socialism could work that has 40,000,000 of these fine individuals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p_eZUgxJd8
>>70265225
I think it's a major problem because it's based on pure luck.
Broke your arm? Surgery and cast for absolutely free, you even get a juicebox at the hospital when you leave
Fucked up your teeth? Well, good luck paying that off.
People don't just pick what happens to them, so especially dental is very skewed here because it's not covered unless insured.
>>70265315
Us? Take a look at China for oil and coal consumption. And they don't have all the environmental restrictions we do so their entire coastline looks like shit.
>>70265564
but there's other problems too.
my canadian friend has wanted to get an elective surgery for 4 years and they won't let her because the system is too backed up
She's crossing the border in a week to get it done, got private insurance that covers her in USA. $250 out of pocket. She only scheduled it like a week ago.
The problem with 'socialized' healthcare is that if you're not dying, you don't matter. So who suffers the most? The healthy people aka the young people aka the taxpayers. You have one specific portion of the entire population taking up 80-90% of the healthcare funds/time available — the elderly. Is it really fair to place such a burden on young people to have to take care of the old? But what else are you supposed to do? Revoke healthcare past 60? Kill them?
>>70259038
>$20 per hour
>only 33 hours
So $16.50 an hour for actual jobs.
>>70259038
This is reflective of a cost-only mentality, that considers quality irrelevant to any decision.
"cost-vs-benefit" analysis is something alien to Nordic cultures.
>>70259038
Living in a country with one of the heaviest tax burdens in the world I can tell you that "free" is everything but "free". It just means that the average citizen has way less money to spend because it's all been siphoned off to completely unproductive government bureucracy and welfare leeches. It has been the primary reason for our stalled economy for at least a decade now.
The rich don't really pay any taxes (see Panama Papers leak) anyway so it doesn't matter two shits to them whether the working people are taxed 10% or 90%. And the leeches don't earn anything so they don't care either.
It should matter to you however. Socialism fucking sucks balls. In an ideal society there would be almost no taxation and only the man in the family would be working.
"Modern" women (read: sluts who don't want a traditional family, work some shitty service sector or social services job, the very same ones who want to flood the countries with shitskins), leeches and all sorts of special interest groups (queens, gays and whatnot) benefit from a nanny state that pays for their expenses. A head of family, a patriarch, would never tolerate nor pay for their shit. The state is their super tolerant "daddy".
>>70265285
>why do you think we'd be world leaders in wind technology if we had a fuck ton of oil? we gave it all away to the nords
Not giving it away, selling it.
http://www.ens.dk/en/info/news-danish-energy-agency/state-revenue-north-sea-oil-exceeded-dkk-22-billion-2013
>>70262965
Don't CEOs have to constantly make smart decisions that can either make or break the company?
Do they really think that CEOs just sit up in their offices doing fuck all?
Don't listen to the leafcucks ameribros, vote Trump.
>>70259038
>no niggers
>no niggers
>no niggers
>no niggers
>no niggers
>>70265902
Factor in their insane tax burden and you are looking at the equivalent of about $7.50 per hour in the US.
>>70265264
Most newly educated people are within STEM fields, but when I say "there are no jobs" I do mean there are no jobs.
We're talking about menial jobs getting 500+ applications from college graduates.
>>70265045
A random zip code I picked (Austin, TX) with an income of $60k/yr gave me a cost of $2976/yr for a decent health care.
At $60k/yr in Norway you'll be paying $4695/yr for a mediocre health care, and that doesn't cover all of the costs, just the amount taken from income tax.
>>70259038
This only works when everyone is white.
>>70259038
They forgot
>no shitskins
>>70265315
>the world hates us
I can feel your angst through the internet, please fucking stop. We don't care, its not our business.
We would however appreciate that you stay the hell away from our culture and stop trying to export "black fridays" / "thanksgiving" / "hand-egg-ball" and shit.
Erect high walls and contain your shit, don't poison our wells and we are cool. We'll visit and be amazed by the grandeur of your country and in return you'll visit us and think everything is kinda cute and comfy. Don't mix cultures.
>>70265564
Your health care system is dog-shit
pick any health procedure outcome to compare to the US.
Cancer? MRI's? Cardiac Recovery? Wait times?
I dare you.
>>70264237
So that is the major problem we're dealing with here in terms of competitiveness and market equilibriums.
We have little competition in the sector, pretty low competition and a fuck ton of bureaucracy that really hinders performance heavily. But the trade-off is that it's pretty fair and controlled.
The liberal american healthcare market is benefitting greatly from the capitalist mechanics such as price and competition. Which means they're bound to be fairly effecient (at least in theory). But the trade-off is uncontrolled markets which swing from supply and demand.
So do you want bureaucracy up the ass, with low to medium effeciency, or do you want a highly competitive and really effecient system that is not really controlable
>>70265564
So the difference between that and our American system is....they get more health care for cheaper still. It's still expensive as fuck to get dental here. Even with good insurance you're gonna get screwed going to a dermatologist. Id rather have that much than all of those expensive specialists on top of having to still pay out the ass to go see my primary care doctor just to get a doctor's note certifying that yes, I have bronchitis or whatever and can't work. Bullshit system.
>>70261726
Damn dude
>>70265881
>the elderly
Oh, yeah, those. Lived through the best time of western civilisation ( not counting vets ) and stealing time from the future of younger generation...
Everywhere I go, hospital, dental clinic, it's always FULL to the brim with old people. I'm often the only person waiting who's under 40.
And they don't even assume their social role anymore, gotta live as long as possible and visit the world lmao. They're nothing more than neutered teenagers these days ( in europe at least ). They also make up a big part of the socialist voter pool, because of course, it's easy to fish for their votes.
>>70266106
Not sure why you think he is disagreeing with you, government healthcare, like everything government, is fucking terrible
>>70266045
So what happened to the job market? Nobody hiring because everyone is leaving, one of those nasty catch 22 things?
>>70266139
>Which means they're bound to be fairly effecient (at least in theory).
Not just in theory its very demonstrable compared to single-payer systems.
>>70259038
Antarctica is the happiest continent on the planet, sorry.
>>70266282
>stealing time from the future of younger generation...
and that's really all they're doing
they contribute nothing and they take by far the most.
>>70259038
>Implying that Scandinavian Socialism is a good thing.
>>70266285
>>70265564
thought he was referring to US market.
mein bad.
>>70266139
>>70266326
afaik netherlands has a competitive private market and it's regularly ranked by far the best healthcare in the EU
>>70259038
Also, Scandanavians are successful because of their tiny homogenous white population and huge oil wealth. They are basically snow-Saudis.
>>70266363
>>70266343
>>70266045
>>70266285
Can any of you Nords explain this Happiness Index claptrap?
Im you have to admit is essentially the same as the US inventing the "Coolest Country in the World" Index and the declaring themselves #1.
Its so subjective its retarded.
>>70263382
bantz achieved
>small, homogeneous country sitting on a valuable natural resource that it can rip the rest of the world off with can afford to have massive social welfare programs
>>70259038
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/27/scandinavian-miracle-brutal-truth-denmark-norway-sweden
http://healthland.time.com/2011/04/25/why-the-happiest-states-have-the-highest-suicide-rates/
http://nypost.com/2015/01/11/sorry-liberals-scandinavian-countries-arent-utopias/
>>70259038
>Almost entirely white
You're correct in that a country where everyone is a net producer can afford to take that money and put it in social programs that everyone can use. However, if functional people only make up half of the population, social programs are insolvent.
>>70266446
just like we beat our neighbors in every category besides price spent per capita.
http://yle.fi/uutiset/union_worker_who_used_discarded_needles_wasnt_a_trained_lab_technician/8785702
Free health care is breddy good
>The biomedical lab scientists’ association said Sunday that it had received confirmation from Helsinki University hospital lab CEO Piia Aarnisalo that the worker who re-used discarded needles to take blood samples last week was not a trained medical lab technician.
>At the time it said that the use of dirty needles may have "theoretically" exposed patients to the risk of contracting infectious diseases such as HIV and Hepatitis B or C. It however downplayed the risk of infection, saying that it was "slight".
>>70260575
>
To be fair just about everyone has a lower corporate tax rate than we do.
US friends, you got ton of point of view from different people living in different socialist countries. We all hate it, from the poor to middle class ( i assume ).
You might want to use what is written here to form argumentative memes to be honest.
>>70266751
To be fair nobody in USA pays our corporate tax rate.
>>70264694
I'm not a socialist but my aunt is an RN at a non-profit hospital in Arizona and they run kinda like you're describing. I'm not sure if they take sate subsidies, i'll have to ask her next time I see her. Your idea is a pretty good to be honest, but some people might default on the bill for various reasons. There are so many things wrong with the current system and so many things wrong with our rep's proposal, our country is at a verbal civil war point and rational discourse as a foreign as extraterrestrial life.
You idea sounds like the best compromise i've heard yet though.
>>70263665
Mother.
Fucking.
Rarity.
>>70266446
We have private health instituions here. But they've had a mixed reputation.
They're professional as fuck (I personally know people who've been to them) but the problem is when the goverment sets a particular limit on wait times, like 4 months for a surgery. It was absolutely hillarious watching the election last summer, because neither of the candiates would give any concrete numbers of promises on wait time guarantees.
Some danebro correct me if I'm wrong, but back in the 2007's, the system was clogged up, so a lot of people were sent to private hospitals on the goverment's bill, and that really gutted the health budget.
>>70266854
the problem is that nobody in your country can afford to pay for private healthcare when they're already having 30% of their income taken away to pay for everyone else's healthcare.
>>70266935
The wealthy can, but why should they?
>>70259038
The scandinavian socialism made strong by years of capitalism. sure.
>>70263382
Loosing Sweden only made us stronger. Look at them today, imagine a democracy in which Swedes formed the majority and we had to adhere to them.
We wouldn't have nearly as strict migrant laws, my city would be flooded with arabs.
>>70266298
Finland has been in a recession since about 2007-08 (when recession hit the EU) and the government is doing all the wrong things to fix it so far, they're pushing out smaller businesses from the market and larger multi-national businesses decide it's not worth it when you have essentially the same countries for cheaper (for example, Estonia and Poland).
So unless it's already established, it's not getting here, and if it's already established, they already have the workforce filled.
>>70266592
>you have to admit is essentially the same as the US inventing the "Coolest Country in the World" Index and the declaring themselves #1.
That's pretty much what it is. It's just a cool-factor of "how great we are", because if there's one thing people from the Nordic area are, it's arrogant.
>>70262262
Come on over, my friend. We can talk about bread, cheese and Charlemagne and how we both failed him.
>>70259038
>>70266935
Actually the private insurance doesn't cost much, and most cases the employer pays it.
Still you gotta pay for the public insurance which you don't even use
Pretty sure it's similar in Denmark
>>70265950
>Do they really think that CEOs just sit up in their offices doing fuck all?
Yes. They do. They really are that stupid.
>>70266612
Norway has way more oil than we have. Which is also why their public finances is taking a heavy beating right now from the low price.
>>70266672
We have twats and leeches who game the system too. The key is making the social income high enough so people can survive between jobs (a big part of our 3 part "flexicurity model), but low enough so working low wage jobs is actually worth it.
There are some people who legitimately have so much in social benefits, that getting a low paying job is a net loss. And that's just disgusting.
>>70263625
Don't worry Frenchfag. The tide is clearly turning. The return of tradition to popularity will happen soon enough.
![2012-ehbs-6-4[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/YUZv8X7.png "2012-ehbs-6-4[1].png")
>>70266045
In the US healthcare is split between the employer and the employee. This is an actual accurate representation of how much healthcare costs.
Kaiser has great research on health care spending in the US.
>>70260373
I think the correct definition for this is "Welfare Capitalism".
>>70259705
Thank you Dane-bro. Serious question now, about how much of your paycheck actually goes back to the government when you factor in all of your residual taxes? For example, how much does a gallon, or liter, or milk cost? Or how much is it to buy a new model Honda Civic (or a similar type car)?
>>70262405
>fast food
>hiring anyone above 18 years old
>>70267078
And also barely any military expenses.
Imagine if America spent those gazillion dollars every year on education and medical welfare instead of the military.
But please don't, we need someone to defend us.
>>70263901
You also have to take into account our national character is very much pro liberty and against collectivism.
>>70261764
This. And maximum income tax is about 63%
>>70266139
First option is fine for countries that have accumulated insane amounts of wealth and in which the comfort of state insurance is valued very highly by the population. For every other case, private market is the best option.
We're still dragging along a national healthcare system and it's tragic. There's constant shortages of everything - of ambulances, specialists, drugs, equipment, referrals from GPs. Meanwhile - no shortage of cars, TVs, iphones, high speed internet...
>>70267626
our military spending is like half of our medicare budget.
'all our taxes go to military!' is a meme
>>70265225
We call them your primary doctor.
>>70262073
or maybe it's because /pol/ is an entire board of autistic alt-right NEETs and all of the 95% of normal scandinavians aren't on here whining about how shit their life is.
le eben sample group, friend
>>70267826
uh, finland has something like a 1 in 3 usage rate for any imageboard
Literally:
>>70265557
>6:50
>I'm legally blind. I dindu nuffin.
Praise Kek
>>70267140
I don't have enough sad pepe for this.
I wish I was born rich so I could do politics, but then would I be what I am now ?
>you'll never get the 500 mayor signature required to present yourself for presidency
>>70268427
feels so fucking good desu senpai
>>70259038
Denmark is anti refugee, too.
>>70267892
yeah im sure one in every 3 finns hate niggers and wants to gas the kikes and merkel
kill yourself.
>>70268577
>>70267704
Yea that's about right.
>>70268536
Enjoy it while it lasts. Mutti Merkel will be your undoing.
>>70268664
>7% of america's total spending is on interest on debt
yikes
>>70268664
why do they include social security in the budget?
social security isn't a government spending, it's an obligation.
inb4 buttmad libertarians, they paid their money into it and the government has no right to steal it. I don't support it, but we can't just tell these people their money is gone.
>>70265950
Many of them do tho. Share holders are often the smart one.
See entertainment such as video game, every month you see baffling decision being taken. Same goes for many faceless big corp. The days of the man rising to the top from nothing is over, nepotism is all the rage now, letting people totally disconnected from reality into position of power.
>>70268796
debt to US corporations mostly
gee, I wonder why
I also wonder why these corporations are actively anti-trump, the person who wants to heavily reduce our debt so we don't have to pay as much on interest
:^)
>>70268427
>le diversity meme
>us has more brown people so they can't have government provided healthcare and education
denmark and the US have near identical percentages of immigrant population too.
i can't wait for an edgy white people state like colorado or minnesota to implement state-level healthcare so we can laugh at all the black people states.
>>70267597
Not from Denmark but I think this gives some perspective still
I have a Bachelors degree in mechanical engineering
>how much of your paycheck actually goes back to the government when you factor in all of your residual taxes?
This month my gross salary 2950€ and after taxes it's 2100€ And that's actually pretty decent salary
>gallon of gas
5€
>liter of milk
1€
>brand new honda civic
about 28 000€
I pay rent 750€/month 38m2 studio apartment in a bad area. Food 250-300€/month
someone mentions socialist success in denmark on /pol/
>DENMARK ISN'T EXPLICITLY SOCIALIST BY THESE VERY SPECIFIC DICTIONARY EXCLUSIVE TERMS THAT DO NOT REFLECT THE COMMON USAGE OF THE WORD
and then they go on to complain about "liberals"
>>70269043
>i can't wait for an edgy white people state like colorado or minnesota to implement state-level healthcare so we can laugh at all the black people states.
bernie tried in his state
they canceled it when they found out 93% of the state's budget would be required to cover everyone and taxes + payroll taxes would have to go up 15%++ across the board
I'm serious
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermont_health_care_reform
yes, bernie wants to attempt to enact something that failed in his 98% white tiny far-above-average-wealth state
>>70269108
please dont kill yourself, mr. dane
>>70269108
Denmark isn't socialist.
source:
your own prime minister when he told bernie sanders to stop calling it socialist slurs and explained how his country works
http://www.investors.com/politics/capital-hill/denmark-tells-bernie-sanders-to-stop-calling-it-socialist/
>>70269108
this
>>70269043
[UNITED STATES WELFARE CONSUMPTION]
General Welfare:
30% of Native-born households consume some type of welfare in the United States.
51% of immigrant households consume some type of welfare.
Medicaid:
23% of Native-born households use Medicaid.
42% of immigrant households use Medicaid.
Food Welfare:
22% of Native-born households use some type of Food welfare.
40% of immigrant households use some type of Food welfare.
Cash Welfare:
10% of Native-born households use some type of Cash welfare.
12% of immigrant households use some type of Cash welfare.
Housing:
6% of Native-born households use some type of Housing welfare.
6% of immigrant households use some type of Housing welfare.
When broken down into race, welfare consumption is consumed by:
Asians:
22% of Native-born Asian households
33% of immigrant Asian households
Caucasians:
23% of Native-born Caucasian households
35% of immigrant Caucasian households
Hispanics:
54% of Native-born Hispanic households
70% of immigrant Hispanic households
Blacks:
55% of Native-born black households
53% of immigrant black households
Do these stats look similar to Denmark's at all?
