I'm an undecided voter, I'd like to know some more reasons about voting to stay or leave.
>>70242281
Do you want to UK to be an independent country or ruled by a bureaucratic dictatorship? If it's the former then vote leave, all other arguments are just fluff.
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>>70242281
How do you feel?
>>70242281
Vote out, anon. We're crashing this fourth German reich with no survivors along with our Dutch allies.
>>70243042
Vote Nee
If you vote in, you get to see the hydrogen blimp that is the EU go up in flames. You can then participate in the first european race war. Sounds fun right?
If you vote out, you retain some autonomy in the face of psychopathic globalists. Sounds nice, but you will inevitably be bombed by The United States for being a rogue state.
>>70242842
>>70242585
>>70243042
>>70243153
>>70243512
I'm leaning more towards out, but I'm not sure about trade.
If you believe UK has just a slight chance of winning Brexit you are literally dumber than an African.
>>70243772
If there's an issue about trade then we should leave anyway out of principle.
If the EU is an economic blackhole, pressuring surrounding countries to join and change their countries forever just to join the common market, then it should be destroyed.
Obama has ordered the UK to stay in the EU.
Do what you're told, Britcucks.
>>70242281
When do you vote definitely?
>>70244201
REEEEEE
Why won't US stop meddling in our affairs. Fuck off already!
>>70243802
Considering cameron just threw 9 million at the issue I think that there is slightly more chance of an exit.
>>70243512
>post yfw Sweden has taken in arabs to use as guerilla soldiers in the coming European wars
>mfw
>>70244516
Just wait until the UK government reveals its true power level. You'll be fucked so hard by their propaganda that you can't walk for one week
I don't like the EU overruling British law, and i don't like certain aspects of the EU's structure
but I do like that they are Pro-consumerists, and most of the regulations protect the average person from lax product standards, and its not like a company can threaten to leave Europe, the reason they can be like this is because most of Europe is in the organization so the company is forced to comply
Hard to decide really
>>70244516
>implying Cameron won't claim not enough people voted so you're staying
Please stay in, I betted 3K euro on it
>>70244201
This nigger is in his final year, he needs to fuck off out of other countries' affairs.
I made this infographic
I hope it helps.
>>70244516
Is there not some sort of legal issue about tax payer funding one side of a referendum?
>>70242281
Do you want migrants or Poo in the loos?
>>70242281
Watch this and uncuck thy self
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc
>>70244201
>tfw Brexit + Trump victory will make 2016 will make it the best year since 1606
>>70243042
TFW someone uses your meme :^)
>>70242281
Do you want more pakis? Vote to stay with the cucks.
>>70243772
We can trade with the commonwealth and other non EU states...the EU will collapse anyway and we can plunder trade then
and trade wont be that affected desu the EU would lose cash if they tried to shaft us and also london is STILL the business capital of the world.
there is more to gain from leaving than staying
also commonwealth visa free travel between AUS CAN UK and NZ is being debated about i hear in govt.
>>70244952
If you can make it longer than 3 mins into this video without rage quitting you win
Vote in. EU Law is the only thing stopping the corporations and upper class from totally raping the middle and lower class.
>>70243772
We're the 5th largest economy in the world, if Europe tries to snub us it will be cutting their nose off to spite their face. They need continued trade with Britain.
When it comes to foreign imports, we will be free to tariff the shit out of third world steel, giving us a shot at repairing our fucked production industry's
>>70245262
t. jeremy corbyn
>>70243772
>muh trade
You know you can have trade deals without needing to be pushed around by a bunch of kike faggots in brussels, right?
>>70244201
Why would I give a shit what some Kenyan communist dictator has to say?
>>70245262
Corbyn would have a say in that...he and his useful idiots would fight them every step of the way.
Dave knows he won by a slim margin..he has pissed off ALOT of people since..he tried anything like that and it would kill his party.
>>70242281
vote leave, as soon as Turkey joins and when Merkel gives her rapefugee army EU passports they will be able to come here freely for benefits and ficki ficki
>>70242281
>>70245505
>turkey joins
>solves illegal immigration by making them legal instead
>>70245262
If you're a true British patriot then vote Out.
If Mexico can trade with the EU no strings attached why can't we?
>>70242281
A "leave" vote is prretty much the same as saying "im not kissing Merkels ass anymore", so the choice should be pretty obvious.
The same goes for the French regarding the vote in Le Pen.
>>70243772
There's been a lot of fearmongering about trade recently, but the fact is that we're the 5th largest economy worldwide and are an important trading partner for other EU countries. The idea that the EU wouldn't negotiate a free trade deal with us should we leave is ridiculous, it's cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Hopefully should we leave we can get some better trade agreements going with other nations we have good ties with like India or important developing economies in Africa.
To me the most convincing part is that we're a part of the Commonwealth meaning we have fairly close ties with many other nations world wide, hopefully if we left the government would strengthen our relationship with them.
>>70244735
>>70245262
The EU does seem on the surface to be pro-consumer and to an extent they are but make no mistake it's as much subject to the pressures of big business lobbies as any single nation is.
If you've got the time I'd really recommend watching this speech by an MEP about the EU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PalZQapEnbk he makes a lot of convincing points and goes into more detail about businesses lobbying the EU amongst other things
I love how /pol/ hates politicians all about "muh feels" and making morronic decisions just to get votes... but somehow hates technocracy too.
Anyway, this is not about politics, UK has stupid politicians too. This deal is mostly economical and a little bit societal. And economically, for the average brit it's not even a contest, they shoud stay.
OP
Thank you everyone!
Definitely going to vote out now.
>>70245621
Thank you for your thoughts, Muhammed.
>>70243772
>>70242281
Look man, if you want a stupid uninformed American's opinion about this, hear me out:
The EU was originally established for Trade reasons, for economic unity - as I understand it - to make trade easier between independent neighboring states. The EU has started to effect policy of it's member states beyond the economic realm - therefore it has overstepped its boundaries, and any state that wishes to remain sovereign has a responsibility to dissolve it's relationship with the EU partnership.
Really, the EU is getting to fucking big for its britches, and starting to power grab. SOMEONE needs to knock some reality into the EU hive-mind - and the only way to do that is for important member states to leave.
Why vote out?
Better question is why vote in.
More immigration? More unconstitutional EU law? more soul crushing corporations peddling their cheap goods?
Fuck em I say.
>>70245621
Staying will keep your euro and precious EU safe
its good for you not us..get fucked frenchy
>>70245621
t.Mohammed Islam
>>70244884
Only in the 4 week lead up to the referendum which is why he's forcing it now.
>>70245621
Thank you Ahmed.
Now go sort out your garlic infested mouth, you froggy looking speccy faggot.
>>70244836
You should add sources so it looks credible. Otherwise it's pretty good
In 100 years, our great grandkids will learn about the "european union's civil war," and how it was fought over states' rights to be racist. Sounds familiar?
>>70244613
I witnissed it with the referedum yesterday, the bias on tv was crazy
>>70245895
This time the south wins lol
>>70244516
I've heard that the leave and stay campaigns had a cap of £7 million.
So Cameron's move has more than doubled the stay campaign budget.
>>70245426
you've already demonstrated you guys do, by disparaging the farage.
clearly it was obama that put you guys over on this one.
good bitch
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>>70245262
>My face when this is genuinely how lefties justify their u-turn on the EU
'The EU enforces capitalism and allows the corporate exploitation of workers.'
'What? Leave? N-no thanks. Muh tories muh tories muh tories.'
The EU is a dictatorship with fuhrer Merkel heading the union into a storm of rape and murder.
Also, the EU will collapse soon.
That's why we need to get out.
Look at what Merkel is doing to Greece and Macedonia and tell me she isn't the new Hitler.
I hope everyone is aware that if Brexit happens the entire EU will collapse.
It's a house of cards, kept standing by wishful thinking and money printing kikes.
I'm a mid twenties, university educated, white, middle class and white collar. There is almost no tangible benefit to me voting for out. Even still i guess I'm betraying my country if i do a bit.
I think at least in the future though its not going to be the "UK vs" like it was in the past but rather the "West vs", the international organisations like the EU and NATO came partly from that right so maybe it really it's in the UK's greater interest to form up with the west.
>>70246031
>UKIP
>UNITED KINGDOM INDEPENDENCE PARTY
>GOT THE BREXIT VOTE APPROVED
He did his job its the main thing he wanted.
Super easy fact for you:
We pay the EU £55 million A DAY to be a part of their collapsing shitty club (and everything it brings with it ie: migrants, not making our own laws and policies which damage our economy in favour of other European nations). We are also a net-giver to the EU so our money essentially goes directly to Germany bribing poor states to join.
Imagine if we had all that money back, even accounting for the cost of international tariffs (worst case scenario) we'd still be in the black.
There are loads of arguments for leaving (very little for staying) but this is a simple easy to understand one
All I hear from both sides of those debate is total conjecture, and it's just not good enough. I'm sorry, but /pol/ posters simply cannot know what the implications are for an exit. You vote in to carry on as we have been for decades, out for an unfamiliar' uncertain and brave new world for people under 40. I'm undecided. I have no idea how the EU benefits me personally. If we're out, I'd like the Tories out of government too.
>>70243772
Nz was the first country to have a free trade deal with China and we have less then a tenth your population. We have literally wanted a free trade deal with the UK for decades but the EU won't let us.
>>70246107
>There is almost no tangible benefit to me voting for out.
Other than saying 'no thanks' to taking in any more darkies.
>>70244836
>>70245831
Pierre is right, otherwise it's nice and easy to understand (might show it to my Mum desu because she's voting Remain because she's confused)
Just wait until next month, when the opponents launch their propaganda machinery. They are preparing for a war, checking your weak spots now. Trust me, I know what I am talking.
Is UK prepared for it?
>>70244201
Literally nobody here gives a fuck about Obingo-bongo, and that is NOT an exaggeration.
>>70244836
> 86% british opposition have been rejected
Because most of british action inside the EU is close to trolling, trying to destroy it from the inside. Anyway, most project in the EU is rejected, that's what happen when you work with tons of other countries.
> 75% of British Law is made by the EU
Nice out of your ass numbers
> Law makers are not elected
Parliement is elected and they vote the laws.
National ministers council is proposing most laws
Only the commission is not elected but they are appointed by elected government anyway.
> EU migration adds 180000 per year to the population
Which is mostly rich Europeans fleeing taxs
> The EY reduces growth of Businesses with Over-Regulation
Yeah like "don't sell explosive toys to kids". What a bunch of assholes.
>>70246107
We must bring all of africa to britain! It's our punishment for history!
Hey guys remember when Tony Blair said that the UK would be fucked and left behind economically if we didn't adopt the EURO?
>>70246107
NATO is nothing to do with the EU and our military is still the strongest in europe
you are basically saying "we should keep propping up europe because im scared to stand alone"
bitch we stood alone for 100s of years and kicked the shit out of everyone.
Do you not want to be proud of your flag again anon?
How likely is this to happen?
>>70246382
Luckily for us it seems any Pro-EU propaganda actually has the opposite effect. People are surprisingly more red-pilled than I assumed, plus most of the Anti-EU politicians here are seen as "trustworthy" (aka Based Farage and Boris "he's just a posh Englishman but he's alright" Johnson
Brexit is the only way to make Britain Great again.
>>70246107
Funnily enough the College i go to is directly funded by the EU in part with the government. And even if it mean't the whole college would lose I'm still fucking voting out.
I'd rather put country above my personal needs. Its time other voters start doing the same.
>>70246416
>To punish us for ransacking the people of Africa and bringing them over to the western world, we have to ransack the people of Africa and bring them over to the western world
>>70242281
the signing of the treaty of nice transferred sovereignity, this was treason, anyone who votes to stay is committing treason
>>70245262
>EU Law is the only thing stopping
EU LAW IS RAPING THE LOWER CLASSES YOU FUCK!
You had better rights as a worker in this country 40 years ago, which funnily enough is the time we decided to join the EU
Daily reminder the brexit is supported by the Poo in the Loo lobby. A reduced European immigration would open the doors for more Paki and Poo immigration since you still need to fix your declining population.
>>70246445
Hopefully really likely.
This will probably benefit America as well as UK.
>>70246416
EVERY. LAST. ONE.
And why stop there?
We should take in the rest of the Indian subcontinent too! Have you seen the conditions they live in?
PAKIS IN BRITS OUT
Britain will stay in the EU because deep down normies and Scots don't care that much about it, or even like it. Single digits confirms.
>>70246657
>You had better rights as a worker in this country 40 years ago
And I bet you support Margaret Thatcher.
>>70246107
>I'm a mid twenties, university educated, white, middle class and white collar.
Same, thats why im voting out.
Stop being a pussy and make Britain great again
>>70246259
>We have literally wanted a free trade deal with the UK for decades but the EU won't let us.
Of course not. The commonwealth getting the band back together is a threat to them.
>>70246669
And I'd rather have based Sikhs and Hindus come over here than the Muslims the EU are looking to fill us with.
>>70246708
This why they wont vote.
The Leave campaign is so much more active than the stay side.
>>70246733
>It is a Commie Frog
Kill yourself cancerous 68er.
>>70246733
>And I bet you support Margaret Thatcher.
Whats your point?
The unions still fell after we joined up to the EU reducing workers rights in this country.
Thatcher was a massive supporter of the EU / common market.
we, the Mans, will come and kill invade you if you vote to stay in EU
>>70246844
You're the one talking about working rights
>>70243772
The EU relies on UK trade as muc as we rely on trading with them, Merkel and the French manlet are hardly going to crash their own economies just to spite us. And even if they would, what reason would there be to stay in a bloc that is threatening economic warfare if you dare to leave?
If we vote to leave, should we go back to being evil again?
If we wouldn't be constrained by all that human-rights nonsense, I think we should go back to invading brown peoples countries.
>>70246598
I think you are vastly underestimating their power. What they are doing now is just testing. Some faggots doing talk shows etc. Just test how the others react. They have many tricks to defeat you. See what happens when they make the people believe UK will lose its wealth if it leaves the EU.
My government has been using these tricks for years. They don't always work. But I am sure in this case the UK government and their allies will put every effort they can into making this referendum go down.
>>70246733
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSCLQ7MXryM
> France's Future
>>70246628
>I'd rather put country above my personal needs. Its time other voters start doing the same.
I miss these values in the USA.
>>70243772
You still have the commonwealth and us (Norway) + if you guys (Our main trade partner) votes out, we don't have to be EU's biggest bitch anymore
>>70246816
Most non-Muslim applicants to the UK from India are also highly educated. The Labour Market can't take much more unskilled Labour
>>70246269
>>70246416
The only backdoor to the UK from the EU that involves this sort of immigration is other nations handing out passports so they can come here. I worked briefly dealing with citizenship and you can sure as hell tell that people from Pakistan, Africa, India etc are not coming in because of the EU, they are coming here because of Labour and Tony Blair etc.
>>70246439
There is a deep relationship between the EU and NATO and there are shared and working options, this is mainly a headache for the Americans and the Cyprus-Turkey issue but i doubt cooperation will slow down as the EU tries to better solidify its foreign outlook.
That isn't what i meant rather that regional and military integration was very much pushed by the U.S and external threats and the West is only going to suffer more external threats as the rest of the world booms in population and economics so therefore it may seem rational to cooperate.
>>70244201
>black president of a 60% white country
>relevant in a white country
when will merricucks learn?
>>70246963
We must become eternal once more.
>>70246402
I think we can regulate our own fireworks thank you very much Takbir Islamabad
>>70244201
>>70246400
The only people who like obummer will be graniaud reading lefties who'll vote in regardless
>>70246669
Our population rate is fine we have a huge teen birth rate.. its mainland europes problem.
and that is bullshit! we have passed a law this month that states non european migrants who dont earn over 35k a year AND! can pass an english exam are auto deported.
Also our human resource pool will come from CAN AUS and NZ which is being debated about in govt for visa free travel to live work and stay.
>>70242281
In:
More Adbuls, Mohammads and Pajeets allowed in your country.
Out:
Return of the British Empire
Also this:
>>70242676
Your leadership will try their hardest to keep the UK as a vassal state to the EU.
>>70246963
>kill niggers
>KILL THE FUCKING NIGGERS ENSLAVE THEM ALL
When were we ever evil anon? :^)
Vote out anon, we currently pay £55 Million a day to this bullshit union.
i cant sit down and tell everyone of yo in person why trade is no different, if not better off, without the EU. It's physically impossible.
However I can tell you that everyone on this Island does fine and of no thanks to moguls in the EU.
If I was a Britcuck I would be very firmly in the out camp.
Is you country fucking sovereign or not? That's the crucial matter.
You're worried about trade and international treaties? Are you shitting me?
Millions of your ancestors dies in muddy holes in the ground to protect your sovereignty and independence, you dumb fucking cucks.
>>70246402
>Yeah like "don't sell explosive toys to kids". What a bunch of assholes.
so after a toy is sold and it explodes, DESPITE this regulation, what the fuck is your response? make it double illegal for toys to explode?
>>70247249
this
>>70244201
>tfw the Americuck things the US has control over anybody
>>70245621
>And economically, for the average brit it's not even a contest, they shoud stay.
Fuck off Ahmed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35862774
>>70246971
Oh I know what's coming, they've pulled some shit recently where the government (yes the same UK government that is essentially a 60-40 split for staying) spent £9 million on "Official" looking documents for key household demographics.
The letter is complete propaganda and uses all kinds of doom statistic from the ONS (Office of National Statistics) and the CBI (Confederation of British Industry).
The Prime Minister incidentally promised the government wouldn't do this the lying cunt.
I'm just going to keep volunteering and writing on the subject. There's literally NO FACTUAL REASON to stay in the EU. That's a big plus and most people recognise this when I explain it clearly to them. I must have convince atleast 10 people to vote for leave rather than remain since May last year just by using facts
>>70246963
>implying
Of all the empires in history one could be a part of, the British one was probably the best.
We controlled like a third of the planet. We could have gone full crazy evil and no one could have done a fucking thing. Instead we traded, built shit, were rude to the locals and occasionally got them to fight for us while running their countries (for the most part) better than they were before. We didn't even enslave them.
>>70246093
>Also, the EU will collapse soon.
Yes.
Sadly I will be on the wrong side of history.
>tell me she isn't the new Hitler
She is the exact opposite.
Instead of trying to strengthen the German people and their culture she wants to destroy them.
Instead of creating Lebensraum for her people she wants the space they got to be given away.
She is trying to destroy Germany as fierce as Hitler wanted to improve Germany.
>>70246669
>fix your declining population.
They live on an island, more people isn't what they need, if anything more land to grow food is what they need.
What will happen to Europe in a long run if UK leaves? Geopolitics wise.
>>70247413
>yfw Merkel is the anti-Hitler, aka the Hitler of the DDR
>>70242281
Do it, leave this sinking ship while you can
>>70246671
that explains why obama is so opposed to it
>>70246238
>You vote in to carry on as we have been for decades
Bullshit, the EU is always changing, 30 years ago it was only about free trade, what will they want next? Abolition of Westminster? A combined military?
>>70247329
lol kiwi
that's a good one man.
I guess the world wont mind who we elect for prez then, eh? hahahahahaha
>>70245262
>EU Makes an exception for lego toys in EU Design Right
Yeah sure mate
>>70247290
>so after a toy is sold and it explodes, DESPITE this regulation
then you have perfect ground to sue
>>70242281
>Not taking any and every chance to leave the shithole that is EU
I wish my country had a vote like that.
Reformation of the empire with Australia, New Zealand and Canada when?
>>70247290
Also
> LEL why make laws if criminals don't follow the law ?
You're retarded.
>>70247050
>also highly educated
Some are, but the problem with Indian degrees from Abdul's Quick-E-College of Calcutta is they can be bought and it's impossible to tell those that earned them apart until one fucks up.
>>70242281
UK Privatization, Free Trade, Thatchersim has turned UK Manufacturing 300 years old into Archeology
The great con that ruined Britain
I am so sorry now that I fell for the great Thatcher-Reagan promise. I can’t deny that I did. I believed all that stuff about privatization and free trade and the unrestrained market. I think I may even have been taken in by the prophecies of a great share-owning democracy.
Peter Hitchens, Published: 2 April 2016
I thought – this now seems especially funny – that private British Telecom would be automatically better than crabby old Post Office Telephones.
I think anyone who has ever tried to contact BT when things go wrong would now happily go back to the days of nationalization. Soviet-style slowness was bad, but surely better than total indifference.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3520932/PETER-HITCHENS-Privatisation-Free-trade-Shares-great-ruined-Britain.html
UK Privatization, Free Trade, Thatchersim has turned UK Manufacturing 300 years old into Archeology
Look up Thatchersim I guess.
>>70247410
This: Although the Empire did some very bad things it was overwhelmingly a force of good.
>>70247563
Obama wants his cushy EU council job and if we leave...his job wont be there for long lol
thats why he wants us to stay in
but would he say the same if it was america? would he fuck
>>70247641
Heh. You're only just not long in aren't you? Did you not have a vote on that?
Or is that a silly question in the ex-soviet block?
>>70246963
>being evil again?
We never were evil, faggot.
>yfw Brexit happens
>Norway immediately ejects itself on the anti EU wave
>Ireland begrudgingly leaves because we're their largest trading partner
>Merkel is brought to Westminister to face crimes against the British Crown
>executed on the spot
>Britons celebrate their freedom by making it their Independence day
>Europe starts kicking out all the darkies
>muslim rapes and murders decreases by 99%
>Europe is safe once again
>>70247496
The USA will probably trigger a war with Russia and force Europe to take the brunt of the damage so as to weaken Europe to the level where they can be re-conquered just like after WW2.
>>70247401
>The Prime Minister incidentally promised the government wouldn't do this the lying cunt.
He's running scared after the budget + IDS resigning made him and Gideon look like mongs.
Add in this Panama shit and he's looking less and less good as the figurehead for remain, especially when most labourites hate him and they're the majority of in voters.
>>70247496
My guess, everyone is waiting for someone to take the first step. Most hoped it would have been Greece last year
>Brexit happens
>Dutch anti-EU rhetoric increases
>Portugal, Ireland and Italy all look for renegotiated terms effectively ending Schengen
>Visegrad 4 bloc together to fuck Germany on Migrant numbers and economic matters
>Le Pen leads France out
By this point the EU is essentially Germany and its protectorates, the Eastern states Germany relies on will leave and form their own super bloc (Visegrad 8?).
On an international scale the USA will be pissed as it's just lost it's biggest globalist partner and has to look more locally at issues, NATO is still intact to counter Russia.
Russia is happy because the economic power of the EU is further blunted, but angry because the enhanced power of the Eastern states (and maybe the Baltics if the Visegrad 8 happens) makes it's Western border less predictable.
China is happy because it can flood Europe with its cheap goods which it is trying to sell because of their faltering economy and HUGE stockpiles of shit.
>>70245188
>london is STILL the business capital of the world
More like kebab capital of the world
>>70247541
>Someone saved something you made
Well done, you made me smile Spain bro.
>>70247943
>you suddenly wake up with liquid shit dripping down your leg
>>70247946
Russia could occupy Baltics and few other countries maybe. Even Poland is a big question, they would probably hold. Nukes won't get involved, of course.
>>70243772
The EU is restrictive in terms of trade. Everyone WITHIN the EU trade sphere gets no tariffs, but everyone OUTSIDE has to pay tariffs.
Outside of the EU you can easily negotiate with countries within the EU and you can much easily establish trade with the rest of the world. Russia, China, India, US etc. Leaving the EU does not per se means cutting trade ties btw, those are separate, although Juncker will probably haunt you for a while with sanctions till he gets hanged on the DotR.
Nvm, just watch this based man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PalZQapEnbk
>>70247496
I think it would likely bring the EU down, there's gonna be quite a few countries wanting out if we leave successfully and many soft-eurosceptics across the continent might decide to switch to wanting to leave.
>>70247778
PRIVITISATION IS NOT FOR THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE SHIT BUT PUBLIC SECTOR WORKERS CAN BE LAZY FUK RETARDS!
>>70243772
Depends really. Leaving aside my personal issues with EU standardisation, and the direct impact of EU laws on our economy...
I'd argue that the Eurozone crisis has exposed the flaws in the European project.
The alternative, in emerging and emerged economy is highly attractive, I'll freely admit.
Coupled to this is the EU's delay in making trade deals. Forgive me for borrowing a phrase from John Oliver, but "it's 2016 right now", and the EU has yet to secure favourable trade deals with China and India. Outside of the EU, we'd be free to make trade deals, not only with these emergent states, but with Europe itself.
We currently run a trade deficit to Europe, accounting for approximately 56% of our imports and 47% of our exports. I'd say, coupled with the nature of our economy, Europe needs us more than we need them.
Aside from the fact that we'd still be bound by EU standards and health and safety law if we want to export, it could work out fine.
Once we leave the EU how do we leave the alliance Westminster made with Sauron???
>>70247980
Burger pls
>>70248083
They don't need to get occupied. Even a simple war that doesn't damage Europe too much would scare their populations into desiring NATO and EU more than ever.
>>70247953
I've been using that as an excuse with In Labour voters
>If you vote out Osborne and Cameron will be ruined politically forever
I haven't had many bites yet although crucially none have actually pointed out that the alternative (aka newly invigorated right-Tory party) is a bad thing
>>70247977
>>70248117
So, it means Cold-war preset basically? With wars on the eastern border and other goodies?
>>70248186
You mean Saudi Arabia?
>>70247496
The EU will cease to exist within the next decade.
If Britain leaves many more will follow.
What then happens is really open.
Considering even the USA have always been pushing for a European Coalition that is what most likely will happen.
Also you have to consider that the EU was doomed from the start, as it was initially planned as an German-French System but was made into a Europe wide union by pressure from the USA.
>>70242281
every discussion apart, what do you think will really happen?
Is UK going to exit? or will it stay?
give your reason, don't give, doesn't matter.
>>70242281
Do you want to be an independent country or cucked by the EU?
GTFO
It's a sinking ship
Please get out, we'll be right behind you. It would make the fight so much more bareable with our big brother by our side. Make us proud.
Strength, my brother. We will prevail.
>>70248280
I think the cuckoldry will win and majority will vote stay.
>>70248186
We don't, the Dark lord is here to stay
>>70248280
Regardless of result a lot of poo in the loos, pakistanis and plumbers are going to rush for British citizenship.
We'll probably allow it since we're really polite.
I really can't predict the result, if more terrorist attacks keep happening, people might just leave for the sake of it.
>>70247496
Its the greatest vote of no-confidence that is possible, really.
I hear the French are already asking for a membership referendum, and we don't even have the result yet.
The EU would either be significantly reformed, or would cease to be.
In whatever sense, nothing will be the same afterwards.
>>70248273
Well, USA pushed for EU as we see today to counter USSR/Russia back in the day.
So, they are not a threat nowadays anymore?
It seems to me that this anon is right >>70248201
It will be the same scenario all over again, starting from a scratch
>>70248280
i think it will be close but we'll probably remain in because this country is full of cucks
>>70247866
>You're only just not long in aren't you?
Something like 2004 or 2005, if I remember correctly, so yes. Problem is the moment we stepped into EU we got fucked over, hard.
>Did you not have a vote on that?
We did, but it didn't really matter in the end, considering that out top hads already had everything planned out beforehand.
>Or is that a silly question in the ex-soviet block?
Considering that almost everyone in charge of our country for the past 20+ years has been very anti soviet and anti Russian? I doubt that, but you can theorize on that to your own liking.
>>70242281
Face it, Britannia, you're time is over.
The only way to stay a little relevant is to stay in.
>>70248209
If there was a leadership contest that balloted Tory members he'd lose badly. My Nan is involved in her local conservative constituency association and says 80% of the people involved in the party there (somerset) dislike Cameron now. Seeing the cunt resign will be hilarious if it happens.
>>70242281
The city might move to Frankfurt / Luxemburg / Amsterdam if you go out. Also the UK wont be as attractive as before for plenty of european entrepreneurs and skilled workers.
>>70248480
how did you get "fucked over"?
>>70248483
Fuck off questionmark-nigger. We are full!
>>70248234
No, because NATO (including the Baltics, Poland etc) will still exist and Europe will still be trading with one another.
>With wars on the eastern border and other goodies?
Like the EU helped at all with Ukraine, or Georgia in 2008. The EU did fucking nothing about it.
>>70248234
It depends on the US' stance. Russia want to be friends, I know Balticbros don't believe this but it's true. Their economy is still weak and their power is still variable.
If the US are friendly, along with European states there would be no problem.
In truth I don't know. A fully fledged Cold War? No. But I'd expect more soft conflicts like Syria where proxy wars are fought (again probably in the Middle East, I'm sure Russia has plans on how to destabilise Saudi Arabia to help Iran and vice-versa for USA).
The crucial thing here is to point out the EU DOES NOT strengthen security. Whether that be against Russia, Islamic states or even the USA itself. The EU caused the shitstorm in Ukraine and, when it came time to show some backbone, they withdrew. The economic sanctions imposed were negligent and not on key things such as oil (if Germany stopped buying Russian oil or Gas then Russia would have been fucked)
>>70248483
go back to ??? faggot
>>70246402
>Which is mostly rich Europeans fleeing taxs
I think you dropped something franon
>>70242281
Out. Don't listen to the fearmongering. The EU is the troyan horse of globalisation and multiculturalism. Vote No and make the UK great again. Defeatism is their weapon.
>>70248533
>european skilled workers
>the city
>moving
I just want to kick the pakis out, why is that so bad??
>>70248656
>Like the EU helped at all with Ukraine, or Georgia in 2008. The EU did fucking nothing about it.
I get your point, even though Ukraine and Georgia were not in NATO. However, if EU loses credibility, I think NATO will lose it proportionally.
Vote for the U.K. to stay in Europe.
We can give you your refugee starter pack.
>>70248800
It isn't. sir.
Our day will come.
>>70248483
Britan is still great bro but we nolonger have an empire also thinking it wont be global news if we leave
>>70246657
inb4 vanished
>>70248542
>Export is non existent
>Half the countries fabrics are closed off and either sold to you or poles
How? Even our fucking "Gotiņa" is produced in Lithuania now. That's how we got fucked over. Fucking Latvijas Finieris sells it's wood to poles, so that they can make cheap furniture just to sell it back to us for a fuckhuge price.
>>70248460
I'm hoping we see more images of millions of nogs and mudslimes flooding into Greece and Merkel welcoming them yet again, that'll make people vote to leave.
That or they announce letting Turkroaches into the EU.
>>70248892
Okay ZunnnHof, if you day so.
>>70248483
rare fag
Doesn't matter what you vote, it's a glorified opinion poll and nothing will happen
But vote out
>>70248522
They absolutely are, the Tory grassroots is even more Eurosceptic than the MPs are now. The leadership election will be interesting whether we stay or leave because we may end up in a situation where we stay but we still end up with a Bo-Jo led very Anti-EU government.
Full disclosure I'm a member of the Conservative Party and am very active in my University's branch of Young Conservatives and we all feel this way (which I'm pretty proud of considering when I got here 3 years ago it was a EU loving Neo-con cesspool which I and 3 others reversed). I'll gladly lead the charge against Osborne and the Cameroons all day (although Johnson isn't all that but I think with IDS and Gove as Home and Foreign sec he'll be balanced out)
>>70248959
You still have your potatoes though.
>>70248469
>So, they are not a threat nowadays anymore?
Europe is a threat to the USA at least in their eyes.
If you dont believe, consider that the USA maintains several military bases in Germany and through out Europe.
Considering the advances Russia made a unified Europe may be very desirable for the USA because it would protect them from being dragged into a war they dont want.
If after the fall of the EU no other Union arises there will be a war at some point.
>>70248892
>still have alot of clay
>wont be news? it be be in the headlines for a month
>>70244519
>>70243772
Then definitely vote for Brexit. The EU is holding the UK back. It is letting in countries like Greece and Croatia and devaluing the work of the UK. Trade deals can be fixed. The UK can start anew with trade by improve relations independently with Australia , New Zealand, the US and others. It could not do this while under the EU.
>>70249042
>glorified opinion poll
We aren't the Dutch :^)
>>70248701
when based isreal brfos ?man
>>70249083
doubt it but id rather be cucked by the states than you guys lol
>>70248483
were from ????
>>70244201
I swear he does this just to be contrary.
>>70242585
>implying you have a choice
You've always been closet fascinsts
>>70249104
bro thats what i mean it will be huge if we leave..
>>70249074
BRB, gonna drown myself in potato vodka.
>>70244519
>post yfw they are uncontrollable degenerates that murder each other instead of enemy
>mfw
>>70249083
france and britain are nuclear
war with a modern power is totally impossible.
and if you tried to attack britain, we would delete you
>>70242281
Leave obviously.
Just crash this EU nonsense once and for all.
>>70248483
Fuck you Undertaker
>>70248820
>However, if EU loses credibility, I think NATO will lose it proportionally.
Why? Norway and Canada are in Nato and not the EU, Sweden is in the EU but not NATO. We'd still be in Nato, with the 2nd/3rd largest military in the thing (we're basically on par with the French), so the organisation would lose nothing.
>>70248483
It's not exactly empire, but we could definitely make it as our own country
>>70248280
hello pajeet, please use the toilet
>>70248891
shhh the times not right m8
>>70249042
>implying the Tory backbenchers would let the government kill the party
>implying the grassroots wouldn't be able to give Cameron the boot.
>>70249219
>not dutch
We all got our handicaps. But we can fix this one. Just leave already. We are brothers in arms.
>>70249232
The USA has always been pushing for a united Europe.
Before the Intervention of the USA the EU was planned as German- French Coalition. But the USA didnt want that for obvious reasons.
>doubt it but id rather be cucked by the states than you guys lol
Same here.
At this point out is the only option.
I wish we could leave the EU too, but I guess the captain has to stay on the sinking ship.
>>70249411
NATO is less of a military alliance and more of a state of having your military captured. NATO countries cannot be strong except when acting as an arm of the United States which is itself just an arm of international organizations.
NATO is to military what EU is to economics and local politics. Anti-EU people will inevitably become anti-NATO.
>>70249288
He is in the death throes of his Presidency, when I studied American politics it seemed at this point most Presidents turn into trolls just because they can
>>70248779
You have some of the finest french engineers coming in London to work into finance since years.
>>70249574
I know but you're the only country I know that has referendums just for fun.
>>70249083
>If after the fall of the EU no other Union arises there will be a war at some point.
A war between European nation states is impossible in the modern world, our economies are linked regardless of EU membership or not and our people won't stand for attacking one another.
Plus NATO will still exist, which most of Europe is a member of, and there's two nuclear powers on the continent that aren't Russia.
>>70249017
Just have to wait for another Islamic terror attack that has "absolutely nothing to do with Islam".
They're like shootings in America, you can bet on one happening at least once a month.
>>70249583
This is why I hope we form a new Anglo defence bloc. As stupid as it sounds it makes more sense from a North American and British point of view as well as giving India some much needed support against Pakistan.
I've got no problem with a European Defence Bloc that are allied with us though.
>>70248672
>Russia want to be friends, I know Balticbros don't believe this but it's true.
It's true, we don't. History taught us too much on that, and Georgia/Ukraine episodes are barely a sign of being friendly. I myself work in a service which counters russian propaganda in Lithuania, and trust me, russians work really hard here. Anyway, not the topic itt. Point is, I want to like Russia, I really do. It's just their history and current actions that are extremely worrying, all that "imperial" rhetoric.
>The economic sanctions imposed were negligent
The average salary in Russia (in USD) dropped by 50% because of the falling ruble. Minimal monthly wage is now stands at 89usd. All major companies suffered massive loses.
I really hate to take this role of a panicking butthurt lithuanian, but sometimes you guys just don't know or don't want to know real facts about Russia. I really think UK leaving EU is more than fair, but I really fear of potential war all over again.
Yes, EU doesn't provide any real tangible security. It's more of a psychological thing. But my thinking is, if EU loses credibility, NATO will lose it proportionally as well. Moreover, integration of countries east from Germany will stop, meaning it will fall to Russian influence.
So I really see the coldwar scenario once again.
>>70248959
And all the investments in your economy don't overweight it?
>>70249582
yeah, we pushed for a stronger EU because we thought that would make you guys less cowardly on the global scale, but you've demonstrated in libya that's just too much to hope for.
even when we do the work, and follow your command you guys are still the absolute worst.
i mean on your own you guys are great, but together you guys are one massive bleeding vagina, that apparently craves shitskin cock.
it's embarassing
>>70249356
you're not entirely wrong, our supreme parliamentary system just means we are ruled by more than one dictator
>>70249606
Lol yeah. I think he went into his lame-duck part of his presidency once the election news started ramping up.
I'm a 19 year old doing comp sci at uni in the UK and so far i've convinced just under 20 people to vote for Brexit.
People are swaying, we can win this war.
>>70249737
>>70249583
And yes, this.
>>70243772
The referendum pertains to our membership of the EU, not the EEA, which is the free trade area. We can remain a member of the trade bloc without signing up to a future as a European superstate, as Norway and Iceland have.
Vote out anon, this referendum has literally zero impact on our trade
>tfw EU wants UK and france to leave their security council seat so that EU as whole can get one.
Fuck you EU
>>70249868
Which uni?
>>70242281
If we vote to leave then we ge tot decide our own future, good or bad.
If we vote to leave then there will be nobody to blame but ourselves and our own politicians for our future success or failure.
If we vote to leave then we get to make the country into whatever it is we want to make it into, good, bad, or otherwise.
If we vote to stay, then the one thing that is certain about our future... is that we will not be deciding it directly ourselves.
Think about that.
>>70249737
>NATO will lose it proportionally as well. Moreover, integration of countries east from Germany will stop, meaning it will fall to Russian influence.
Yeah I'm sure Russia will invade countries with an alliance with three nuclear powers.
>>70242281
Don't leave. We are not done stealing your companies.
>>70245587
I want to build Communism and I'm pro-Brexit.
wat do
>>70249938
Can't say as Island is too small, it's in the south west though so it's not rampant with lefties but votes are votes.
>>70249801
No Europe is easier to control as a whole.
>i mean on your own you guys are great, but together you guys are one massive bleeding vagina, that apparently craves shitskin cock.
Thats exactly the point of the EU
>>70242281
If you stay in you're going to get raped by muslims and your country will turn into a shithole.
/thread
>>70242281
I'm voting to stay in, purely for the chaos.
>>70249966
He said Russian influence, not that they'd invade. The goal of NATO is to completely and utterly encircle Russia and then hit them with such crippling measures that they are forced to revert to 90s Yeltsin days or worse. Then, this time they will not recover. Anything that doesn't work towards this is an increase in Russian influence.
>>70250020
Move to Best Korea?
>>70249669
It's all a set-up. We are not playing games, trust me. Just waiting for the right cards before we play out our hand and reveal our power level.
Stuff is happening in here.
>>70249737
Investments into what? A major part of our country has no fucking jobs, no fucking future and no fucking income. Hell, I only see elderly people around me getting kicked out of their housing and houses getting closed off, then being rebuilt and then just standing there, either empty or half empty. There are practically no fucking jobs outside of Riga. If you live somewhere like Daugavpalis or near it, you have a better chance of finding a fucking job in Russia than in here. Fuck you and fuck the EU, you cock sucking homo. Georgia and Ukraine are US played out scenarios and there's more than enough information on that floating around the net. You job sounds like a job or you're just shilling EU.
or should we send them to the tory HQ with no stamp attatched?
>>70249966
I believe there is a massive chance that no actions would be taken by USA, UK, Germany etc to defend Baltics/Poland, if that would be the case.
Why get in a war for other people, right?
Documents and treaties mean nothing without willingness. And general euroscepticism means a great lack of it.
But can't really blame anyone for that.
>>70250089
Please be joking, we don't have the lead for this
>>70250113
I'm collecting them from people in my town to send to Tory head office.
>>70250089
The chaos from staying "in" will be terminal.
The chaos from voting "out" will pass quickly.
The country is fucked regardless of the choice. If Britain leaves, do you seriously think there are any parties competent enough to lead the country?
![Bush_Addresses_the_Nation_on_Immigration_Reform[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/opSZdgA.jpg "Bush_Addresses_the_Nation_on_Immigration_Reform[1].jpg")
>>70249606
yeah, sometimes they don't even wait till the end.
this guy(pic) isn't even really a dumb ass, it's just an act to appear more charming...i assume he still doesn't come out in public because he's still searching for his sides
bill clinton has the best sense of humor that doesn't have to be 100% cruel though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi39UO57LHw&nohtml5
>>70250096
But Best Korea isn't Commie, they removed it from their legal documents.
>>70250089
Hope the islamic grooming gangs outside your daughters schools was worth it for the laughs anon
>>70244153
This desu.
Myself I'm more for a secession made up of just these states; we share more economic and cultural similarities than all of bloody europe, so it could work. Would you sign free trade treaties with us?
>>70250218
I wouldn't mind a Boris lead Tory party desu
>>70249695
Maybe not within the next 30 Years but I doubt the stability the EU brought us will last forever.
And at some point there will be some tension. Probably not within Europe but the world is big.
>>70250089
>in
>chaos
Well yeah in that we'll be absorbed into the USSE at some point.
But imagine the OUT chaos, Cameron and Gideon resigning, the lefties shitting themselves and probably protesting over a democratic result.
>>70242281
The truth is nothing will happen either way, that's why britian is so confused
that "recession" we just had, all that actually happened to the common man was that he knew someone who get laid off from a factory job and sweets and drinks (some, not even all) went up 5p
it's pretty surreal
>>70250020
Go back where you belong.
>>70242281
Fuck the unelected EU kikes and their undermining of white countries.
>>70250218
Cometh the hour cometh the man.
