Well?
>>70236121
Well what? I'm not an edgy college kid or soccer mom who looks down on other people based on their line of work. I only look down on other people based on their skin colour.
ROBOTS
>>70236121
>tfw didn't go to college
>currently making 40k/year stocking shelves
>mfw college educated brother is making half that
>>70236121
But I dont, liberals do that.
You should take that shit over to the liberals. We're not the ones looking down on the working class.
>>70236121
There is always a value assigned, thanks to the free market.
These people are literally worth less, hence why we compensate the positions they fill in society less than other positions.
How can you argue with this in the framework of capitalism?
>>70236121
those jobs are for young people who strive for something better and OldFags who blew their retirement money.
anyone else with those jobs is a failure at life.
>>70236121
There's nothing wrong with good, honest work regardless of economic class.
>>70236121
Robots can do all of that better than humans can
thats a reason for automatisation :^)
>poor shelf stockers deserve more money
>TRUMP SUPPORTERS ARE STUPID BECAUSE THEY'RE POOR SHELF STOCKERS AND DIDN'T GO TO COLLEGE HAHAHAHAHA
Which is it?
>>70236560
What if they're disabled, but still very functional?
What if they lost an limb in a war? They've done more than you have.
>But they're stupid for fighting in a war!
Again, more than you have.
>>70236341
dank as fuck germany
Someone does have to do those jobs. But they don't need $15/hr for them
>>70236341
/thread
>>70236121
...teenagers?
>>70236674
>>70236693
So, you want less jobs?
What's everyone supposed to when robots take 90% of our jobs?
>>70236121
I have no issue with it.
Just have one person doing a 40-50 week instead of three people doing the same 50 hour week.
The system, in america anyway, is set up that companies are penalized for having full-time employees and thus we end up with 3 people working part-time for the same job all because part-time isn't required to offer benefits.
It's literally the end of the conversation on these jobs. If they were just made full-time again(there'd be a spike in unemployment) these jobs would be worth hanging onto.
>>70236533
its not a free market and your side is the one constantly trying to get terrifs and make it less free
>>70236121
But I went to college, studied hard and now stock shelves. I realise now that connections are worth more than skill and hard work.
>>70236341
Except pol does that all the time, even in this very thread.
I love that this picture has a fucking picture of Costco. Costco actually is a high demand, competitive employer that requires more from their employees than the bottom of the barrel employers. Costco loves min wage hikes because #1 they dont employ any min wage workers and #2 it hurts other businesses which sell similar goods which makes their own venture more profitable.
It's honest work. Problem is liberals keep letting in illegals who undercut their pay.
>>70236383
this desu
>>70236794
Find new jobs? That stuff doesn't happen instantly. What do you think people did when the industrial revolution hit? They moved on
>>70236939
/TrueThread
>>70236121
>stock shelves
>assemble pizza
>drive a car
literally jobs a robot could do
>>70236121
A society that does not function in the interests of average people will soon fall. Average people don't go to college.
>>70236964
Yes, new jobs just appear out of nowhere. Yup, everyone else just found new jobs when the other ones got outsourced.
God, you're an idiot.
its typical of the "tolerant" liberal to do that. OP. They like to push all this crap about helping workers but they really don't care, they just want free stuff and the biggest joke is that when the commies take over, they all die.
>>70236794
But I thought everyone worked hard and was college educated :^)
Someone still has to maintain and program our robots
>>70236708
>disabled
they should apply for benefits which should help them out financially while they are working those jobs.
By the way, there are ALWAYS exceptions to the rules and those exceptions will be based on what the manager decides to do with them NOT the government.
>>70236121
Who does this?
Who even believes some majority of certain group does this?
What about we fix the economy and lower the inflation instead of accelerating it.
Fucking liberals.
>>70236846
>my fucking side
What anon?
I am telling you that if you believe on a merit based society, you can't argue with this, these people do a job that we don't think is as important or as in demand as other occupations, and hence are worth less.
Economics is about the distribution of scarce resources, and the fact that we don't give many resources to these people means they are not of high value to society. Go fuck yourself for making some assumption about my political outlook.
>>70237135
Well under your description, everyone just died or disappeared. Bravo
>>70236939
It really is.
I worked at a shipping warehouse for over a year and that was more fulfilling than my office job. I just enjoyed it more because I wasn't blogging for 8 hours a day.
The pay wasn't better, and it wasn't easy, but I didn't dread going in every day. Didn't have to lie about anything, or make up shit to do. Came in, did my job for however many hours required, and left.
Yeah but they would be paid a shit a load if they ever became that sorely needed. They don't deserve to live in poverty, but they don't live in poverty. Minimum wage is more than enough to support one human.
>>70237187
You act like there isn't a finite amount of jobs.
Where the fuck do all these "new jobs" come from?
100 million people cannot "work on robots."
>>70236121
There are plenty of 16 to 21 year olds to do those jobs
>>70237275
Well, under yours, jobs just magically appear for everyone.
Again, tell me where these new jobs come from, dumbfuck.
>>70237316
>min wage is enough to support one person
If you're getting 40-50 hours a week it is. But minwage jobs are not full-time.
>>70237316
>Minimum wage is more than enough to support one human.
Not in the US. You literally aren't allowed to work full time anymore.
>>70237187
>implying adoptive AI makes programming robots easy as piss
your CS degree isn't worth shit family
>>70236471
>Could potentially make $40k working as a souf chef, maybe more since I have worked every station in the kitchen
>Servers complain about not finding work and not enough tips
>>70237421
Under your description, automation happens instantly and everyone is fucked. This shit happens over a long period time, people change fields , dumfuck
>>70237294
and you can say whatever the fuck you want. The trades are the last bastion for individuality
>>70237239
No it doesn't mean they're not high value, workers are pretty fucking valueble, it just means they're replacable. You salary rises the most indespencable you become. Anyone can stack shelves and anyone will if they become poor enough. Employer don't pay them a lot because they know they can fire them and someone else doing that job by the end of the day.
>>70237431
Get two then. Or join a benefit society. Oh wait, you can't, because the government cucked us out of them despite the fact they did a better job than the government ever could.
>>70237497
Get another job then.
The best thing about these low tier Jobs is that they wont be replaced by robots cuz human labor is cheaper
Is the educated spreadsheet fans that should ben afraid
>>70237599
>>70237599
Since when do servers know the difference between medium rare and well done?
Cooking is something you learn and have to work on. Serving isn't.
>>70237356
>16 to 21 year olds
Yeah, not like any of these useless jobs require skills, training, or hard work, eh?
I bet this bloke here just came in when he was 16 and started working. Couldn't have possibly been doing this since he was 19 or anything. No skill job, unlike the standard office job that requires 4 years sitting on your ass in university.
>>70236121
Those jobs should be filled with teenagers and other people getting their first jobs, any full grown adult should have moved on to a better career than stacking fucking shelves
>>70237684
>easily replacable
>valuable
You seem to have a very strange view of the world anon.
>>70237607
Um, no they don't.
Working on robots isn't something you just look up on the internet for 45 minutes and then you're an expert.
Who the fuck is going to fund all the AMERICANS going to school to learn this when they could easily OUTSOURCE it and do it on the cheap?
If they don't let Americans do things like tech support, then they're sure as fuck not letting them work on robots.
>>70237684
You can't get another job when they're all outsourced.
It's like I'm arguing with 5 year olds.
>>70236121
I stocked shelves when I was a teenager. All those 40+ year olds still stocking shelves alongside me deserved to be there, and are still there.
I didn't deserve some extravagant pay, because it was a shit job to start out on, and those other guys don't deserve it because they have zero ambition in life.
>>70236471
I have a college education and we make about the same amount. I got a business degree. I hate my job and my life in general. Should have learned to weld.
>>70237930
No they're not. That's just what lazy cucks say. Look I don't agree with outsourcing either, but there's no shortage of jobs.
>>70236121
That's called highschool students and failures.
>>70238053
Maybe in your country, but here? Yes, there is.
>>70236121
Robots can already do all those things desu
>>70236121
I don't. I always treat people in these jobs with respect, especially the trash collectors. I always them christmas cards with a prepaid visa card in them even.
Don't assume we don't have compassion.
>>70238133
>>70237941
What if they were born with a disability?
>Well, they should have been aborted!!
Stay edgy, pol.
>>70238165
Ok, so again, for the 40th time, where do the people find work?
>On robots!
Yeah. Everyone will just go get a FREE CS degree. Oh... wait.
>>70236121
Make your own pizza
Most of the big store chains in California like Albertsons, Ralphs, and Stater Bros are unionized, so they already make more than minimum wage.
Public transportation and Uber are taking over cabs
>>70238276
Disabilities receive welfare don't they?
>>70236121
This post completely ignores supply and demand.
>>70236121
>Set minimum wage to $1000 per hour.
>Solve all poverty in America, right?
Minimum wage jobs are not for adults to do as a career. They are first steps or jobs for kids looking for part time work. Minimum wage increases make everything more expensive. As the minimum wage increases, so too does the cost of living.
Minimumvwage increases do not help the poor. They do not hurt the rich. They destroy the middle class, which is the objective of the communists. Marxist revolution requires a two-class state. The middle class is the last thing standing in the way of the left.
>>70238426
Not always.
You act like it's a perfect world and everyone is taken care of.
Living off a McDonald's salary while trying to support 2 kids alone is why I look down on minimum wage workers
Those that do actual work like warehouse stock get more than minimum wage. Those that are first starting out and have no experience and references are suited for the minimum wage, hence minimum.
The scrutiny comes from college/high school drop outs that smoked Kush instead of study for a few math tests then get stuck working the same dead end job yet still forcing themselves into paths that they can't support like children, more weed, a bigger house.
The more automated we make these jobs the better. And teengaers will always have an open spot at McDonalds. Because right now we have 40 year olds and 30 year olds filling out room where a kid should be.
>>70237930
So robots are going to just come and Replace ALL industries. ALL at once. Giving people no time to change to other low end jobs?
>>70236809
No they fucking wouldnt because who the fuck wants to be a cashier at walmart for 50 hrs a week.
>poor people in low paying jobs want more money.. I know! Lets fire 2/3rds of them and increase the hours on the rest by 25%. They'll be so grateful for our generosity!
>>70238276
>where do the people find work
They don't.
Reality isn't a nice place for everyone.
>>70238518
>Randlet getting owned by Sanders of all people
How embarassing.
>>70238485
>Minimum wage jobs are not for adults to do as a career.
Unfortunately, it happens, and it's not always because "lol, they're stupid."
Some people get hurt or are disabled. They all can't get benefits and according to pol, welfare and disability are bullshit too.
There are thousands of people right now that pol thinks should just die on the streets because it's not them.
>>70238143
M8, you could go on and job website and find some. They might be shit, but that's life. Then again, as much as people give Libertarians flack for being hard-nosed, at least I don't support a government that will kill you for home steading un-used land and going off the grid.
>>70236121
We "need" them like I "need" to pay someone to wipe my ass for me
Sure, I need my ass wiped and that's one way to solve the problem but I could easily do away with that person if I ever want to.
They're looked down upon because they wasted their lives and stayed utterly replaceable rather than learning something worthwhile and useful.
>>70238531
Who is going to train them, dumbass?
No one wants to train workers as is, so why would they want to train them to work on robots?
>>70238276
>Well, they should have been aborted!!
>Stay edgy, pol.
wew lad, you may want to see someone about that whole replying to your own strawman thing.
>>70237599
>souf chef
American education, folks!
>>70238582
So, 2/3 of the population should just go homeless because hey, fuck minimum wage?
>>70237497
you're a fucking moron. Thats a straight up lie
>tfw i've got a promising and ever growing career in digital marketing
>tfw i've never felt more miserable in my life
i want to burn down every piece of tech in my life and sustain myself with a forestry job and live in a wooden cabin with a redhead waifu, a dog and a rifle.
fuck this gay earth and its dystopian sense of what is successful.
>>70236341
Ayyyy I genuinely laughed because you were wording the argument perfectly then came outta left field with that great post.
>>70238771
Assumptions.
What about the guy who got falsely accused of rape and can't get a job somewhere else?
>HAH, MAYBE HE SHOULDN'T FUCK SOMEONE ELSE!!!!
yes, his life should be ruined.
>>70238787
I think you're missing the point. Robots replace McDonalds workers/Fastfood. Those people move to warehouses. Robots replace checkouts, Those people move to maintenance. It will happen until there are literally no jobs left which will give people plenty of time to find other fields or move on.
>>70236121
I certainly will look down on a 40 year old that couldn't move past this stage. These jobs were never suppose to be filled with people that never move on. They were suppose to be literal 'my first job' for the 16-18 crowd that would eventually be replaced by new workers.
Not squatters that couldn't get a career and are now going to complain because they can't sustain themselves, so they whine and complain to the government about how they need their basic job to give them 15/hr.
>>70238859
I've been here long enough to know what responses people will make.
This place bleeds edge.
>>70239074
>Hey guys look at my unique and uncommon circumstance!!!
Bravo
>>70237720
>serving requires no practice
Confirmed for working in denny's tier foodservice.
Skilled servers are a highly valued commodity in fine dining. Being a charismatic, knowledgable server requires study and practice. I'm glad that i'm on the cooking side of the line though
>>70237752
Bait
That's a job that pays 20 dollars an hour here. If your diesel sniffing country can't afford to pay butchers and sanitary workers a proper salary that's your economies fault.
Show me a job that has the description you gave and is actually minimum wage. And inb4 MacDonald's
>>70239074
>ITT
>we ignore answers based on the value of scarcity and the inherent mechanics of our economic systems, and instead argue like autists over the feasibility of a robot workforce
Never change /pol/.
>>70239080
BUT SOMEONE HAS TO TRAIN THEM AND NO ONE WANTS TO TRAIN
WHAT IN THE FUCK DO YOU NOT GET?
>>70236794
>we'll just get jobs fellatiating the robots!
>what do you mean I'm a cuck?
>get with the times grandpa XD
techniggers need to be gassed
>>70239080
This. It hit me hard the other day when I literally got schooled by a 178kb prorgram on a fighting game.
This is the price of technology. Automation will replace pretty much all jobs (even those skilled jobs) and all of us will be jobless shitheads apart from the few that own the machines and the repair crew. And people will keep looking down on the replaced ones until they get replaced.
>>70239184
>>70238499
And you're trying to make it so that these people with disabilities can gain more for less work in the hopes of turning it into some dream land. In reality that's just going to put is in even more debt and fuck us over.
So you can stop shitposting any time now kid
>>70236121
>I acknowledge class warfare exists
ok
Now acknowledge that mass immigration is one of the cruelest, most vicious acts of class warfare perpetrated by the money-power.
>>70236121
The only people that do this are SJW liberals.
>>70236383
This, without the desu.
>>70238918
Not even 5% of the workforce works for minimum wage.
>>70239194
>>70239163
It still fucking happens and it's just one of many different scenarios that take place.
I know in your sheltered lives, the concept of downtrodden people seem weird to you, but hey, whatever.
Not everyone who works a menial job is there because they're stupid.
>>70239300
M8 I think you're having a spaz attack or an Autism episode.
>Training
To mop and sweep? to lift boxes? Reread my posts
>>70239355
Ok, what do we do with disabled people? Kill them?
>>70239168
I've worked in 4 star steak houses, like Ruth's Chris, waiters are still hugely incompetent 90% of the time. I *do* value the good ones, GOD do I ever value the good ones, but don't make it seem like "The good waiters all just work at specific restaurants." If they were good enough waiters, they'd be chefs.
>>70238918
>>70238918
So you're saying 2/3rds of the population are uneducated and have zero experience, zero ambition and are stupid enough to take what they can't afford now or later just because they feel entitled to these liberties?
Christ fuck off already
>>70239513
To work on robots. Who trains them to work on robots?
Yes
But stop pretending we need to bring in an underclass of brown people to do those jobs, which only devalues them further and makes it easier for employers to cheat your minimum wage rules
>>70239581
>So you're saying 2/3rds of the population are uneducated
Actually yes, but they still deserve a job if they can do it and want it.
>>70236521
fuckin' this
The only people looking down on working class people are stuck up liberals that think they're royalty for no god damn reason.
>>70237684
fucking fag, you make it seem so easy.
>>70236341
Fpbp
>>70239585
Why do they need to work on robots? The robots are eliminating all jobs at once instantly?
>>70238711
What are these disabilities you keep bringing up? If they are crippled they get benefits, if they lose their arms they get benefits, if they have down syndrome they aren't going to start a business off their burger king salary in their 30''s
Just because your emotions pity those mentally troubled doesn't mean you let your emotions pay out the pocket for them. They aren't going to do anything more with the Money other than drugs and beer like they have always done since highschool.
>>70236121
Robots.
>>70237752
I got a job as a cook at 16 and mastered the menu in two days you silly nigger. It's not hard to learn things when you're not a petrol sniffing abo
>>70239577
>4 star steakhouses
>literally bragging about a chain restaurant
Again. I'm talking about fine dining. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
>>70236121
If someone provides a service, the market will dictate their value. If their service is not very valuable, it is not saying that they deserve to live in poverty, it is saying that their service is not very valuable. Maybe when everyone is highly educated and these low skill jobs are difficult to hire for and people are willing to pay vastly more for goods and services, the wages will go up according to demand?
Stop attaching emotion to a mathematical issue. The answer is going to be the same regardless how hard you cry.
>>70238918
If 2/3 of the population was only capable of performing basic, entry level work with little to no training or education and, at the same time, refused to market themselves or study in their free time to make themselves a more valuable asset to their employer
then yes, they should go homeless.
>>70239858
>If they are crippled they get benefits
Um, no they don't.
I'm sorry, but not everything is cut and dry the way you people think.
>>70236121
I'm making pizza for a living right now to help pay for some college classes.
Nobody strives to do unskilled labor, a 16 year old kid could easily replace me if I were to quit. The idea that people should be able make a living doing the most basic shit that hardly requires any actual skill is retarded.
>>70239889
Oh tell us the crazy cuisine you mastered in 2 days.
Chicken finger baskets and burritos?
I agree.
>>70236121
Cab drivers deserve a living wage, so do pizza makers. And they both do ok actually. But shelf stocking? Please! That's a job for high school kids looking for some cash for Friday movie night. Anyone making a career out of shelf stocking deserves to live in poverty, for they are a functional veritable and nothing more..
>>70239889
>mastered the menu in two days
Yep, and any chef who's been working for two decades will blow you out of the fucking water to the point where customers will happily pay 4-6 times what you want for his food.
This is what the problem is with your sort. You see accomplishment as an on or off thing, and as soon as you get to the level of experience that you deem "okay" you become massive entitled assholes.
>>70239333
I ask for a job that *requires* experience and training to even apply and you give me a stock boy?
Anyone can do that job, and those that do and try to live off of the wages at 30-40 are obviously happy with where they are if they avoided the leap into education.
They got to lay in that job because they smoked weed over studying and now they will stay in that job and keep smoking weed. Why give then so muh pity
>If someone provides a service, the market will dictate their value. If their service is not very valuable, it is not saying that they deserve to live in poverty, it is saying that their service is not very valuable. Maybe when everyone is highly educated and these low skill jobs are difficult to hire for and people are willing to pay vastly more for goods and services, the wages will go up according to demand?
>Stop attaching emotion to a mathematical issue. The answer is going to be the same regardless how hard you cry.
wew lad
>>70236794
When the jobs are gone we give people money.
Jobs are holding us back technically.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-santens/humanity-needs-universal-_b_9599198.html
>>70240255
Whats your cuisine m8?
I'm at a bistro in a rich old colonial port town.
Been cooking long?
>>70239458
>Not everyone who works a menial job is there because they're stupid.
Yeah just the vast majority of them.
You do know what cherry picking is. right?
>>70236121
>make our pizzas
Robots can do that.
>drive our cabs
Self-driving cars can do that.
:^)
>>70240394
Wew, a huffpost story I didn't find to be complete shit. Good luck eliminating the problem though; I'm just gonna mooch of this system until I die.
>>70236794
I do want less jobs I just want my income to not be attached to a job.
>>70239541
Let's go back and fix your arguement instead of shouting a polarising arguement like a child.
Disabled people are worth less in the job market and no loud picket of wheelchair bound downies are going to change that.
We give them the jobs they are worth since they cannot move on, they can't study, they can't even succeed very well in the job they are given. If you ask these people what they think of working at baskin robins they will say they are happy for the opportunity to be helpful.
I'm going to ask you why you think they deserve to be given more money. What will they do with it? Play more video games? What's the incentive for them, the next logical step would be to work less, so now you have less workers because they make what they need at a less demanding pace.
>>70239714
That's because IT IS. Here's my work history:
Left school, highest grade was an A in English (useless), B in science (OK), D in Math, and C's in other pointless crap like RE and Citizenship. Went to college, dropped out because I went a bit crazy before I accepted that I was gay and started crossdressing. Went the job centre, now 17, and they put in a call centre (outbound lead gen) for £500 a month. Worked there for a year while living with my Nana. Then I got a job at a PPI company (administration) earned £12,500 for the first 6 months. At this point, I moved out and lived 4 roomates. They all lads but they were pretty cool. My wage went up to £14000 after I got good at spreadsheets and stuff. Worked there for 2 years saving money, and now I earn £16,000, which will go up to £18,000 when I pass probation and £20,000 if I apply for audit. I'm going back to college in September because I can pay for it now, though I've found out the governemnt will wave the fees if you haven't already got a level 3 qualification. i might still pay though because I'm libertarian and disagree with free education. Now what about that was hard?
Here's my e-mail inbox. Look at all those jobs. Now I know most of them will be shit or you won't make the interview, but out of that, what, 50+ potential jobs, you're bound to get one. An dI know customer service is wank, been there, done that, its shit. But that doesn't give Chantelle free reign to steal my money and invest it in making more babies.
>>70240299
Much the case with me, I'm happy living a modest simple life with what I have and would rather spend my lifetime learning and developing hands on skills, granted those skills will probably never put money in my pocket unless we have a collapse of some sort since everything needs a degree of certificate to prove you answered some questions on a paper.
>>70240299
>anyone can do that job
>why give them so much pity
Yep, because logistics and shipping is something that any retarded stoner can do, eh? It's not like people literally go to university to learn this or anything.
After all, there's not any practices you have to learn, or dangerous machinery you have to operate. A child could do it.
Oh wait, except for when you don't get your food or something you ordered online, then you scream and cry at these people for not doing their jobs.
>>70240525
I'm actually a sysadmin for a major Australian ISP. It's common sense that someone gets better the more they work at something, I've been in this line of work for 9 years senpai.
>>70236121
What does this have to do with paying for your college? If anything, you're making them poorer.
>>70236121
>Quit looking down on them and assuming they deserve to live in poverty
But I don't because I'm not a liberal.
Tbh I liked working my roofing job more than the office job I have. Liberals should give the tough jobs a try for once and see how they like it.
>>70240754
>D
>in GCSE maths
Jesus christ how do you operate a computer?
>>70240790
You give me a picture of a stock boy and then claim he is I to logistics and shipping. That's a 22$ job on average, yes I've looked it up.
Changing the goal post isn't doing anything. Who the fuck are we talking about, logistics and factory managers or part time employees that pick things up and put them down
>>70240972
Since when do you need to know more than your own language and how to press a button to operate a computer? It has been that way, more or less since windows 3.1.
>What is automation?
>>70240972
I actually re-took it and got a C. I'm not gonna lie though, I've gotten really bad at math because, to be honest past arithmatic, I don't really need it. I'm re-learning it now though because I'm doing Math, Science and Chemistry in college. Its just because school I was a little wanker that skipped it all the time, admittedly because I went to a comprehensive and 50% of the students were asians or blacks who bullied me.
>>70236121
>lifting with his back
he deserves to be looked down on
>>70236858
Iktfb
STEM degree trader joes crew member here
>>70240754
I stayed in college, went uni and now I work and make 23k a year starting. It's a temp job though
>>70236490
There's a country called Jersey?
Where is that?
>>70241059
> part time employees
If someone needs the work done enough to hire someone to do it, it ought to be at a living wage.
Somebody has to do the work and that somebody better be paid a living wage.
>>70241158
>operate a computer
So because you have the strength to open a book, that is all you need? forget the mental capacity to utilise the information infront of you?
>>70241191
>I don't really need it
>college
>comprehensive school
You are a massive dissapointment to the middle class anon, jesus christ, enjoy living with the scum.
>>70241411
It's an island, why do you think it's called New Jersey?
New York
New England
Newfoundland
"Virgin"ia
Boston is named after Boston here
>>70238672
>implying
>>70241263
>his posterior chain is so weak he has to squat down to lift 20lb cases
>>70241794
>He hates his lower back
>>70236121
UN-skilled labor
>>70241579
>middle class
I was born in Wythenshaw, and if you're familiar with Manchester, its the biggest rats den in Manchester. Thankfully my (single) Mum wasn't a total retard and slapped me every time I spoke like a Chav or acted like one, right down to when I omitted the "r" in water. It wasn't fun but she did right. That's why I don't have sympathy for poor people. Partly because I am (and have always) been in the lower band of earners, but mostly because I grew up with them and saw for myself every day they weren't oppressed dindus, they were drug dealers, dolies and the nastiest people one can meet.
>>70236533
Hows your vacation anon?
Or are you that one aruba poster?
>>70236121
>emotional rhetoric
Trash man take it away
>>70236794
so basically in a hypothetical scenario in which robots can do all jobs, we're all dead and starving because we don't have jobs?
>>70236533
>tfw see a rare flag but realize you've already collected it
>>70241794
Nigger if you lift with your back you ARE setting yourself up for future back problems, no matter how swole you think you are.
>>70241426
No, McDonald's could have made the jump into automated burgers, I know this because I've worked their years ago and everything was already automated since 2006. All the employees do is lift a bun up and squirt some Mayo then wrap it and give it to the customer with a smile.
They keep everything primitive out of economic benevolence. It's a good starting job but not a loving job.
Nobody joins the military to clean latrines for the rest of their life. Same with going to school, next you'll be saying we should be giving extra resources and teachers to the 17 year old stuck in grade 8. They don't fucking deserve it.
We have these slackers with no ambition that didn't want to achieve anything more than they need to, they did the minimum amount of effort throughout their entire life, and now they can enjoy living off the minimum wage they produce. We aren't going to give these minimum effort workers higher wages. That isn't justice or fair, that's naivety and illogical
>>70236121
>we need manual labour, not everyone can go to uni
>uni should be free so everyone can go
Hmmm
>>70236121
I'll take "What is supply and demand?" for 500 please
>>70241454
It's all you need to get online and make ridiculous posts on the internet, just ask your nearest australian.
>>70241971
You could of been mate, if you hadn't given up on success for cocks.
If you don't have any sympathy for poor people you are just unintelligent, none of them are there by choice.
I grew up in South Africa, you are/were middle class, no longer tho.
>>70236471
>Going to be replaced by a robot in the next 2 years
>>70238012
> tfw signing up to major in business
how fucked am I?
As a true nationalist, and not a tightwad kike neocon, I agree with this.
>>70242018
I am the one.
>>70236121
If everyone worked in high paying jobs and there was a shortage of people working in these low-level jobs their wages would have to grow to a level where even educated people would be willing to work there.
Or more likely you would simply import some immigrants to do these shit jobs and not waste the educated workforce on work that's below them wasting GDP.
>leftists not understanding they're paid less because you don't need to invest anything in becoming qualified to do those jobs
These faggots will shit themselves when, fresh out of university with loads of debt and a gender studies degree, they're earning the same amount as a high school dropout is.
>>70241794
You don't lift with your back to pick up 10 pounds. It's just common sense. Lifting 20 10kg boxes is 200 pounds of strain.
>>70242210
Try 10 to 20.
>>70242159
Australians are actually pretty educated overall mate, far more than a fucking C in GCSE maths, as they can't drop out at that stage without tafe in most states
If you don't make your own food you are literally (non-figuratively) a degenerate.
>>70236121
Yes! Let's raise the minimum wage with our shitty currency controlled by the federal reserve and replace them with machines and destroy huge amounts of small businesses and thus people's jobs.
(See Chicago)
Here, have a present, my rarest Molyjew.
>>70236121
So I will steal other people's money and pay for these poor people.
>>70236121
>Quit looking down on them
k. I don't care what job you're doing so long as you work.
>and assuming they deserve to live in poverty
Nah, they clearly lack either the intelligence or ingenuity to fulfill a greater role in society. They've earned that position.
>>70242342
Hunter gatherer is literally (not figuratively) less evolved than a civilian
>>70238437
So do minimum wage hikes.
Just accept it
>>70236794
Fix the robots, make parts for more robots
>>70236794
Live in utopia?
>what is human resource?
More people free means more specialist jobs.
Huge projects employee people
>>70236121
There's nothing wrong with that image, and I'm extremely racist and anti-communist.
>>70239311
There is no reason for humans to waste their precious short time doing something a machine can do. The purpose of a healthy economic system should be to deliver the maximum amount of goods and services with the least amount of effort — therefore in theory the ability to deliver goods and services with the least amount of employment is in fact desirable.
As automation progressively replaces human labour, a national dividend could ensure enough purchasing power for consumers to buy all goods produced and we could be pursue exclusively human activities and enjoy ample leisure time – with the appropriate culture shift, a society of artists, writers, musicians, athletes and thinkers.
The greatest evil in our economic system as it currently exists is that the fruits of extra productivity and wealth that automation should bring are sucked up by the usury of the Money Power. Systems should be built to benefit man and not the other way round.
Read the work of C.H Douglas to know more.
>>70237275
The majority of horses died after cars came around.
There wasn't a magical creation of new jobs for horses. Any of them deemed worthless were culled.
You really think it will be any different once humans are on the cutting board?
>x person has to do y
>therefore y is worth the minimum of z regardless of how profitable it is
Leftist economics everyone.
>>70242203
>none of them are by choice
Not when they're kids. But past 18? There's no excuse really. Our government has enough programmes to help them and what do they do? They sit around all day smoking weed and dodging work.
>>70239311
Sounds about right, Britfag.
Even though it was kind of a shit movie, iRobot shows a glimpse of the future. Robots will be making robots, entire factories self automated.
Only difference I would see is instead of it being an AI fucking things up with a culling of the herd, it would just be a ruse by whoever runs the company, blamed on AI. I wouldnt put it past human beings at least.
>>70236121
that's a pretty good argument against the everyone needs to go to college meme
I doubt that was the original intention of the image though
>>70242346
Not an argument
>>70242830
Where does the money come from and what incentive is there to produce goods, under such a system?
>>70242986
They grew up in a society where they were over exposed to the idea that this is the normal way to live their lives.
Get over yourself, some people are too uneducated to see their own value, the fact you are here and still can't makes me despise you, as you have clearly chosen to remain worthless.
>>70238672
Rand's argument is by defining health care as a right, you are entitled to his services. But in terms of the tone of the discussion, he was way too hyperbolic.
>>70242222
If you're enough of an autist to be here I assume you aren't going into sales. You're pretty much guaranteed to sit in a cubicle and use excel or some analytics program that's just SQL with a GUI for a bank. You could be a manager in your thirties, though! Learn to make things, it's more fulfilling.
>>70243272
They weren't. Nowhere in Britain is (was rather) it considered "normal" to do drugs, get involved in gangs, destroy private and public property and refuse to get a job. By uneducated, you mean "spent their school years bullying and harrassing other students and impregnating stacy".
>you have chosen to remain worthless
How? I've got a job.
>>70242831
You think that they killed horses as soon as cars were around? Not many people liked the car and preferred the horse, you filthy nigger, you really think that people will just replace a horse with a car that you had to wind the front to crank it like an arsehole?
I live near a lot of horses matey, they were just out bred after time
>>70236341
Please go into politics and make this country great again
>>70242831
>>70243520
>“Through the 1920s horses disappeared at the rate of 500,000 a year. Most were sold to meatpackers to be processed into dog food, bonemeal, leather, and glue. The price of horses reached an all-time low in 1950, and the horse population continued its steady decline until only about 3 million horses could be found in the United States in 1960…” Overview: The State of Animals in 2001 Paul G. Irwin
http://files.hsus.org/web-files/PDF/SOA_overview.pdf
http://www.drafthorsejournal.com/daysbeforeyesterday/summer99/50yearsago/50yearsago.htm
>>70243520
Not immediately, idiot. I'm not expecting a super holocaust of the peasant classes once Google brings out their first driverless cars.
It was gradual then, and it will be gradual in the future.
>>70244062
So, this was happening naturally to the US and Europe. the low birthrates could in some ways be related to the lessening need of manpower. For some reason politicians think this is a bad idea.
>>70237349
People should adust their population to the available jobs
Oh wait responsibility hurts peoples feelings dosrnt it
>>70244465
It's because a lot of our markets and government institutions require constant growth to continue to function. The banks who are funding it all will all go under if the population drops too much. They've essentially bet on the total value of future labor increasing indefinitely, and when it turns they begin to lose everything.
>>70236341
You're not the hero hero your country deserves, but it's the one they need right now.
>>70245189
Yeah. This is why we have to abandon traditional market economics if we're going to go anywhere.
We should be able to handle gradual population reduction without a complete market collapse
>>70238276
> stay edgy
Gr8 argument m8
End of the day a worker is a product
Produce a drfective product and guess what? It sells for less if at all
I don't think this is the place you need to inform anyone of this. Go to some libtard forum where they blow huge sticky wads over their fancy art college educations and look down on anyone who fixes pipes and pulls wires (while making more than they will).
>>70236471
>College educated
>20k a year
Your brother a feminist or a retard?
>>70245744
>Those are mutually exclusive
>>70239541
Nope
Allow them to attempt to compete and starve if they fail to
Same as every other lifeform on this earth
Your silly argument assumes we must intervene in one way or another instead of simply allowing them to justify or not justify their existence via the litmus test of survival
>>70238499
Why would i trust a retard with money.
They should be in group home cared for by the state. Is called disability for a reason, they require help.
>>70236471
How the fuck you make 40k a year stocking shelves? I've been making about 30k a year stocking shelves for a decade.
Pizza places make a lot of money, stocking shelves is an ezpz 2nd job, and cab drivers usually do alright too.
These people live in "poverty"?
>>70236121
Socialism ftw
>>70239136
Fuck off
>>70236121
Except not everyone works hard. These people end up at the bottom of the food chain, where they belong. Welcome to the world, kid.
>>70238672
So by that argument I am entitled to a big house and a lot of land regardless of my income. And a car, food,entertainment, anything that people actually have to work for. Im now just entitled to because I fell out of a pussy on American soil.
>>70236341
only a >white mexican could say it better
>>70238672
>>70238276
What you don't understand is an employer has to make profit. If an employer does not make a profit for a period of time, the length of which depends on how much money they already have in to deal with periods where the markets aren't good for them, they will go bankrupt. If this happens, they can't continue providing jobs for however many people were working there before. This is much worse than not paying a few people as much as you would like them to be paid because you feel their work is worth more than it actually is.
>>70243332
Nice ID
>>70238966
I get the same thoughts. Maybe I was just born in wrong times?
Ot it's me not wanting to deal with people.
>>70246626
what the fuck are you on about? kill yourself
>>70237599
>souf chef
Time to leave the basement champ
>>70243515
You seem to just be overly mad about stupid people who are not self-aware actin stupid, let the apes do their shit, it is not their fault. That is the Uk nowadays my friend, I know this as I met the Somalians in South Africa, and now they are all in your country. Get used to it.
>getting a GCSE level job
kek, keeping telling yourself that it makes you a valuable member of society that is fulfilling their potential.
>>70248268
I'm going to college, and yeah it might not be valueble, but at least I'm not leeching off anyone.
This isn't the UK. Its the new caphilate. This government doesn't represent people, it represents the New World Order.
>>70237867
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>>70236121
>current year
>not learning skills to use in a post-apocaliptic society
ok, stay pleb
>>70238966
going innawoods is an actual red-pill
>>70248896
You are still a failure, and now have cut your chances at escaping the Caliphate through emigration as a well educated person. Enjoy being a gay crossdresser when they rise up or simply outvote the christians.
>>70249241
>unable to achieve basic levels of spelling
>calling other posters "plebians"
Okay m8
>>70236121
>deserve
>deserve
>deserve
>deserve
I fucking *LOATHE* leftism.
NOBODY.
DESERVES.
*ANYTHING*.
The word itself is *meaningless*.
>>70249541
I won't ever leave the caphilate. I'm a native Brit, the thought of leaving this island to the muzzies infuriates me. I can be a gay crossdresser because, in the age of nukes, physical stregnth isn't as much a factor anymore as intelligence.
>>70249991
When the sandniggers take over, you will be the first to go, if you are even still alive.
The world will stand and watch, as it is their right due to the evils of colonialism.
The world will end with a whimper anon.
>>70249878
true enough, but if that is true than it is also true that nobody should have to pay taxes just because they were born into this country. Do they 'deserve' to be bound by laws they didn't agree to?
Deserve is a relative term. The country DECIDES what people deserve and what they don't. It's morality enforced by the majority.
>>70241971
So basically you're entirely a product of your mother putting effort into raising you, so you feel entitled to look down on those who weren't blessed with a dedicated parent?
Fucking hypocrite scum.
>>70250267
>muzzies take over
They're not gonna. They can't take over anything, that's why take their frustration out on bombing us like cowards. The white British government on the other hand, can.
>evils of colonialism
Colonialism is the best thing that ever happened to those backward goatfuckers.
>>70250477
My Mum wasn't a decent parent. Being a single mother automatically disqualifies you from that. She was also abusive and is now an alcoholic with three kids to different Dads.
>>70250455
>but if that is true than it is also true that nobody should have to pay taxes just because they were born into this country
That's not a consequent of not believing in deserts, but I absolutely agree.
>>70237431
It actually is plenty enough. I live on under 10k a year. In my new city, which has one of the higher costs of living in the nation (not nyc or sf/la), I've budgeted that I can live on 12k/year, maybe 13k if I also want to travel.
People literally just spend too much. How come these supposed "poor" people all have the newest phones, new brand name clothes, a car, tv and cable, and eat out every single day? They're whiny, entitled infants who want to live in luxury and want you to pay for it while they laze about.
(spendfags pls note that what I spend isn't related to what I make.)
>>70250782
>muzzies can't take over
>colonialisation of the middle east and subsequent partitioning of the tribes was a good thing
Wow, the jews got you good, but I should have guessed that from the rampant degeneracy of your life.
>>70236121
If everyone worked hard and went to college, all of that stuff would have been automated by now.
>>70236341
Stellarly crafted post.
>>70236341
Yup
>>70251599
>muzzies can't take over
They can't. They need police pretection to stop us running them out the country.
White culture could've saved them. Go to Botswana and ask them if colonialism is a bad thing. White culture is superior to all other cultures, there is no need to need to consider them. Unless you think the Masai or Hazara are the "pinnicle" of human culture.
>>70236471
>tfw did go to college
>currently making 160k/year designing ASICs
>tfw work at walmart for the past eight years
>tfw over 30, no GED, and too old to pursue a "real job"
At least I have zero debt, but it is a bit difficult when I only net about $20k annually.
>>70246202
>>70236471
>Quit college
>working at the airport making 40k throwing bags. >Saved up for a nissan 300zx
>saving up for a condo and debt free.
A little hard work or a labour job and 3 years and you'll make it. Just don't get married, have kids, or buy stupid shit to end up in debt.
>>70252065
>ISIS has not raped the middle east
>the mussies were not the only local population aside from the zulus to annihalate a colonial British attack
Okay m8, and I have actually been to Botswana... welcome to one of the world's highest murder rates, same as South Africa, the two of them even dwarf the rest of Africa...
>>70252488
>>working at the airport making 40k throwing bags.
Not bad desu. How /fit/ 'sit make ya? There's a lot of lower level jobs in my field that make less than that with a degree. Of course most people don't stay at that level, just the retards and single moms.
Every poor person I've met (and I've met a lot of them...grew up in grinding poverty) has deserved to be poor.
>>70253048
>Iraq war
>colonialism
Mate, don't delude yourself, high muder rates is par the course for a black country, but at least they're rich compared to other black countries.
Also, you seem to hate the West and prey for out downfall... you do realize if Western culture dissapears, we're stuck on this planet for at least 20 million years right? We've already used most of the low-hanging surface oil and coal. There isn't enough left to replicate the industrial revolution and get back to the point where we can exploit artic or sea oil. We will be stuck in a 20 million year medievil stage. We only have one option: expand into space now, or be locked onto this planet until some asteroid kills us all. That's it. Who's the cucked ones really? You can destroy white western culture, but at the end of the day, you won't ever leave this rock.
>>70253876
It not bad, depends on the flight. Mainly international flights are heavy. What will get to you long term of your health is the jet fumes and your lower back from throwing bags in the belly.
>>70254127
>implying I was talking about the iraq war
>not realising that South Africa and Botswana are two of the few remaining colonies still "ruled" by whites at least economically.
You are projecting so hard bruh, I am simply saying that the UK is fucked, you are the cake that the rest of the world leaves to the wasps at the picnic. You will eat up all the shit and drown in it, leaving America, Australia, and predominantly Russia to advance into the next golden age.
>>70236471
I didn't go to college.
Earn 70k picking orders at a food warehouse.
It's back breaking and endless. 70+ hour weeks.
I only see daylight on my one (1) day off.
Middle middle class is worth it.
Anyone can get a warehouse job and earn real good money. An industrial staffing agency is how I got in.
>>70236121
Those jobs pay shit because they require less concentrated skill sets. I don't know what to tell you fucking people.
You aren't going to artificially increase the price floor of labor and not cause harm to others unless the market demands and increase in the cost of labor.
>>70236121
They dont deserve as much money as doctors/scientists.(and that comes from a highschool dropout.) But Football and Baksetball players don't deserve 20+million per year also.
