I think Trump's plan for a huge wall is stupid, a waste of money, and just a ploy to make rednecks vote for him
Thoughts?
>>70222402
I don't think you are stupid. It's now a confirmed fact that you are indeed Stupid.
You're stupid and a waste of oxygen, and this is just a ploy to shit up /pol/.
>>70222700
>>70222558
Prove me wrong :)
>>70222773
"Mexico will pay for the wall"
http://www.npr.org/2016/04/05/473109475/trumps-plan-to-make-mexico-pay-for-the-wall
The wall has actually been paid for approved by congress
Obongo just has no interest in doing his job.
Trumps plan is to simply make mexico pay us back if they don't we stop wire transfers to mexico.
The more you know
>let's just let illegals into the country and let them not pay taxes and send money back to Mexico out of the US economy
This is a way better idea.
>>70222773
See>>70223173
>>70222402
>illegals cost America 130 billion each year
>the wall will cost 10 billion
Which one is a waste of money again?
>>70222402
Well you're wrong. It's simplicity to counter unnecessary complexity. If it keeps just 10% of the drugs out and 5% of the illegal welfare babies out, it's an entirely worthwhile endeavor.
/pol/ just loves endorsing chaos out-of-loopy candidates.
This is why in 2008 it was Ron Paul who was all the rage around here, even though libertarians literally don't give a shit about borders or muslims or all that.
The Wall is just a meme and it's lovely to watch normies squirm at the thought that Trump is going to be the next president of USA. Whether or not the world goes to shit is largely irrelevant to the basement dwellers like us. I haven't left the house for over 3 weeks, I pretty much don't give a shit what happens to the world.
>>70223595
Actually it's something that should have happened a decade ago
See>>70223270
>>70223173
It's just common fucking sense and trump is 100% right with this plan. It's not a meme. Maybe he has alot of weak spots the wall isn't one of them.
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>>70222402
Are you kidding, 10 to 20 billion for a giant public works project that will help stop an 100 billion+ expense. Not to mention that 10-20 billion will be going to workers to build the thing, who will actually spend the money. It's not going to Lockheed Martin or Goldman Sachs like most government spending does. The wall is a great fucking deal.
>>70223595
It's better than having feminist Shillary, Jew Bernie or a Cruz missile running the asylum.
>>70222402
>I think Trump's plan for a huge wall is stupid
Walls work well historically
>a waste of money
It will pay for itself when we keep remittances within the US economy
>and just a ploy to make rednecks vote for him
Ad hominem. Not an argument
>Thoughts?
OP is a faggot
>>70223804
And I'll add that we can just take this money out of the current foreign aid we're giving to Mexico, making it cost-neutral on the books and giving the money to American workers instead of the corrupt Mexican politicians in bed with the cartels.
>>70223958
That's not an ad hominem
>>70224038
>namecalling
>>70224206
>namecalling
redneck offends you?
>>70224004
Also this with a major drop off in foreign aid makes trumps plan anything but a "waste of money"
>>70222402
Tbqh Trump could literally blow the richest banker in Israel on stage and as long as he pledges to remove kebab I would still vote for him.
Agreed we need more cheap labor to expand our declining economy
>>70223173
This. Bush had the first 40 miles built and this shit stain of being we call the president refuses to continue it.
To make matter worse people like OP are too ignorant to understand anything outside of using mental gymnastics to defend King Barry.
>>70224302
Well if trump raped obamas daughters like bill did , i would still vote for him
>>70224237
Not on a personal level
>>70223759
u ever seen the Simpsons that was litterly his inspiration if he IS serious (he will build it anyway) hes more deluded that we think tunnels bro all the money wil go into tunnels when there is a wall rofl he is guna increase the tunnel builders funding by orders of magnitude there already very advanced in some cases im not even trolling
>>70222402
>implying this is a stupid idea
>implying you have the network connection and resources to draft a better proposal
>>70224519
>be against a stupid wall
>somehow that means I love Obama
>>70222402
But Mexico is gonna pay for it, did you not know that? Kek
>>70222402
>only rednecks care about having a nation.
>>70223595
Ron Paul was going to end the entitlement programs that brought most of them here in the first place. There's more than one way to solve a problem.
>>70224661
Why are you forcing a dialog where you propel your conjecture above every one else's opinion that you yourself asked for?
What is WRONG with you, OP?
Are you retarded?
>>70223957
>bernie is the jew
Trump literally has a jewish grandson and sucked aipacs cock on livestream
>>70224610
Tunnels? We have well drillers.
>>70222402
Weow you're a smart one.
The wall is not gonna work on it's own, you'll need many other measures to stop migration from other sources and to fight the new flying pacos that are gonna be naturally selected by the wall.
But i think you can still greatly diminish immigration, not that it's really gonna do you any good, but you can.
>>70222402
>a waste of money
A waste of money is when we give billions in foreign aid to dictators who just pocket it and build another palace.
>>70224858
Screens don't keep all flies out, but if hate to live in a house without them.
>>70222402
The wall has many advantages as already noted and would probably limit the flow of illegal drugs which is certainly a net good.
>>70223595
Ron Paul wasn't an open border fag or anything like that. Nor would he doublethink on Islamic terrorism like the left does. Paul had many advantages like not being a neocon for instance.
>>70224858
see
>>70224629
reassess yourself, friend.
>>70224802
Not sure what ur point is here people trafficing is worth alot of money so is drugs drugs use tunnels people trafficing will also use tunnels who the fuck cares about wells corps pump the ground water dry and its against the law to pump to little idk why we rape our water reserves globaly
>>70222402
>waste of money
Doesn't America spend about 15x the amount it would cost to build a wall in foreign aid, every single year?
>>70224661
>be for stupid wall
>must be redneck
>>70225023
Drill a well right through the tunnel. Your linear thinking is fucking retarded.
>>70225070
Yup!!
Everyone will have to fend for their own weight!
Insult us and STARVE through your stupidity and inability to prepare for winter.
You dogs, your huntermaster will feed you no longer. Go out into the wild and feed yourself. I am TIRED of your BARKING.
>>70225023
>
http://www.bluegold-worldwaterwars.com/
>>70225070
At least. We should start cutting by cutting all aid Israel.
>>70222402
Look at how much the US spends on illegal immigration, and then compare that to the cost of the wall, which is projecte to be about 10-15 billion. It's not a stupid idea at all, in fact it'll help out the economy a lot.
>>70225250
bro us have addmited there are no technolagys capable of locating the tunnels hurr durr ima drill .. EVERYWERE whats ur logic here mister outside the box
"Please come in and fuck my wife illegals" is all I read
>>70225070
Not quite 15x, but 35 Billion seems to be the number. It's certainly much more than a wall.
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/11/spends-billion-foreign/
>>70225374
We don't have ground penetrating radar? You're pretty fucking stupid.
>>70224661
Aside from the crime, diseases, human smuggling and drugs associated on the southern border ( as though those are not credible enough reasons to the whimsical thinking of a progressive)...
It is the Federal government's job description to know whom it governs. Why even have a census bureau if the feds are going to muddy the waters of how many citizens we have?
It is not racist to demand our federal government do its job in protecting its citizens from drugs, crime, diseases and trafficking. To think otherwise IS unamerican, as it threatens our sovereignty.
>>70225374
>no technolagys capable of locating the tunnels
IT'S 2016
>>70225374
>no technolagys capable of locating the tunnels
:^)
>>70222402
It's going to cost a hell of a lot more than he claims it will cost. It's ridiculous. There's a reason it hasn't done before.
>>70222402
Mexico will pay for it. That means that Americans laborers and companies will be making money to build it. It is a net gain without any other considerations.
>>70225446
>>70225576
>>70225487
>>70225446
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/23/us/drug-super-tunnel-tijuana-san-diego/ http://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-didnt-follow-up-on-mri-style-below-surface-technology-to-find-tunnels/
Ground penetrating radar can reach depths of up to 100 feet (30 meters)
>>70222402
I bet there weren't any traitorous faggots to protest the great wall of China from being built because they got killed off
>>70225766
so they can put trains in there tunnels but not go down 31 feet q-q muricans also 2016 not knowing the limitations of our current tech
>>70225346
How are these costs calculated? Is that welfare given to illegals or something?
>>70225766
>>70225859
You're an idiot.
>>70225914
expalain
>>70225886
Schooling probably makes up most of that cost.
>>70225886
Welfare. Incarceration. Deportation costs. Hospitalizations.
>>70225859
100' > 31'
>>70225659
> unironically saying something that fucking stupid
The was was already approved you faggot
Notice how OP went running to the hills..
>>70222402
oh, yeah, wooooo, fences dont work, not all at all
look how fucking not effective it was for hungary
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/29/hold-hungarian-border-fence-so-effective-illegal-immigrants-are-now-at-pre-migrant-crisis-levels/
>>70222402
Stop being oppressive.
>>70226026
31 meters idk bro its a multi billiondollar industry they hire experts in the field
>>70225988
>>70225968
I see.
>>70225859
The still won't be able to do shit with any money they make, and few would risk employing an illegal. Try harder
>>70225859
You're also forgetting that the tunnels don't already exist.
If they wanted to build such large tunnels they'd have to use heavy machines which make a lot of vibrations.
>>70226244
the tunnels used for drugs will become more advanced and trasport people to 2birds one stone for the cartels howw is this not common sense
>>70226123
>1 out of context example from breitshill a source that admits they accept money from donna tramp for favorable coverage always proves my wacky racist antics
you are a mental midget
>>70222402
waste of whos money? mexicos?
>>70226306
so why in 2015 did the police say the only viable way to find the tunnels were from tipoffs and long drawn out investigations
fuck you op now i want sum cake :(
>>70223265
And a wall would stop them how?
>>70222402
I think it should have been done a long time ago.
>>70225946
Digging downward is much harder than running a train (risks of structural collapse and many other things occur). 30 feet deep tunnels are not a walk in the park.
>>70226651
Ladders and ropes are
Also just tossing drugs over the wall by hand or with hand built potato cannons, which is already happening
>>70226147
At 100' you're talking about some serious mining industry type work. You're into bedrock and groundwater.
>>70226586
>be poor spic
>try to walk across the border
>big wall in the way
>>70226775
5 supertunnels since 2010 built by engineers and architects depth of 30ft 1 can provide sauce
>>70226421
Cops are fucking stupid and also don't have a lot of resources.
>>70226805
Ladder.
>>70226881
The 2,400-foot (730 m) long tunnel runs from a warehouse near the Tijuana airport to a warehouse in San Diego. When discovered, it was devoid of people, but it did contain 2 short tons (1,800 kg) of marijuana. It was 5 feet (1.5 m) high and up to 90 feet (27 m) deep this is befoe the wall
>>70226332
> the wall might not prevent every single possible way for Mexicans to get in the country
> let's not even make an attempt at securing our borders
Really though, what your describing is entirely different from what the wall is protecting against. The wall is to keep 11 million fucking illegals from working in our country, and bleeding it dry. A thousand spics entering the country illegally to sell drugs is something the DEA could actually have a shot at handling. That is not an issue that will cost the us billions of dollars per year.
>>70226859
100' > 30'. I can provide sauce
>>70226769
>lel just toss it over the wall
Already that makes it harder since you have to coordinate with someone else to receive the goods. Much greater risk of detection and it's harder to move a large amount of drugs that way.
>>70226899
>be poor spic
>use a ladder to climb the wall
>trip motion sensor/cameras
>caught by border patrol
>>70226961
But an incredibly expensive wall won't cut that number down at all. Ladders and ropes exist in Mexico
>>70226938
So?
>>70226961
what im saying is the wall is just going to make cartells waay richer and not stop imigration that much saw in a documenty they pay on average 25k each or somthing to get in with traffikers u will stop the dude who runs across u wont stop the traffikers its like a massive pr stunt
>>70227025
You'd need those all along the border at which point why bother with a wall
>>70226975
please do
>>70227060
A very cheap fence in Hungary damn near stopped a migration.
>>70226648
The only reason it wasnt done when the border was established is because everyone thought we would eventually invade mexico again
>>70222402
I think you're still on your first president, don't know any better, and show just how poor history education is in the US.
>>70222402
Trumps wall is a great idea. Think about when you're playing Civilization VIII or something in the future, there will be a world wonder "Great Wall of Trump"
>>70227090
just saying the wll wont stop ur imagration like you hope and will empower already massivley powerfull cartells
>>70222402
The wall would cost a relatively small amount of money compared to the budget for other things.
And seriously, what's wrong with building a wall along your borders to stop people coming to the country illegally?
>>70227130
>wall makes cartels richer
This makes absolutely zero sense.
>>70227060
Don't ever take immigration advice from Germany.
>>70227135
They already use motion detectors and the like. It's should be very obvious shouldn't it? A big wall makes it harder for much harder for people to cross over and hide from patrol, so if they trip detectors while in the midst of their climbing at, they are much more likely to get caught.
>>70227367
bro u r so retarded cartells build tunnels tunnels cant be found cartellls traffic people people pay for traffiking only way is now through uber epic tunnels cartells build uber epic tunnels and charge for the privilage now its the only way they have huge customer base and the only was into us is through a acartel uber tunnel
>>70226586
Ask Israel or China fuck face.
It seems to work pretty well for them.
All this could be easily solved if we just shoot them at the border honestly.
>>70227130
who cares about the chump change the cartel will make. We care about the billions and billions illegals at large cost our country, and the billions we give to corrupt fuckasses in Mexico.
And really, the answer to the cartel bullshit is very simple. Legalize all drugs and regulate the market. Don't think trump has suggested it, but bitch please. Think of a better reason you inbred shitskin
>>70227520
>cartels focus their drug flow on tunnels
>police use radar technology to raid them and stop more drugs
you obviously have a very low IQ...
>>70227600
It's a big waste of money and is defeated by simple tools like ladders, and rope.
>>70222402
>waste of money
>a ploy to make rednecks vote for him
>rednecks
Liberal elitist spotted.
Thinks only private school educated metropolis dwellers are capable of understanding immigration issues and fiscal issues.
>>70227661
inbe4 ur a fuking iddiot
Drug Cartels Make $64 Billion a Year from US
Human trafficking second only to drugs in Mexico
>>70223804
The Massachusetts Big Dig cost 24 Billion dollars due to its scale and the incompetence that came with such scale. The Trump Wall could easily hit 100 billion plus
>>70227829
>I lack the critical thinking to understand how being forced into tunnelling methods would be good for law enforcement and bad for cartels
>>70227714
And then they won't be able to find work because employers won't risk employing an illegal and facing prison and 100K fine. But okay, imagining they do get work somehow, how do they get the money back to their family?
> Can't wire transfer the money back to their families.
Tada! It is now not profitable to enter the US illegally! Crazy how that works!
>>70227714
>walls don't work meme
Hungary wants a word with you.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/26/is-trump-wrong-about-a-border-wall-one-stunning-chart-has-the-answer/
>>70222773
>>70222402
Grow up or go back to "leddit"
>>70228013
luckly for you bro they already make the fukin tunnels and its called diversifying as most human trafiking is not through said tunnels and when the wall comes its called a monopoly buy your prolly dont know much about that (FUKIN FED)
>>70228140
>unintelligible britbong babbles irrelevant things
>>70222773
The methods of payment are on his website you b8 throwing cuck
>>70228269
>if i quote green text and call people names i sound like im winning an argument
>fyi its nigel u amerifat i stopped smoking weed months ago
I don't really get why you want to keep Mexicans out. They work hard for cheap, they're far more attractive than you whiteys, and they make delicious food. They integrate well into American society and it's not like they are going to live in the really nice parts of the country.
What's the issue?
>>70228830
I r8 tha b8 8/8 m8
>>70228097
Your future president is genious.
Wish we had someone of that fibre to fix our country.
>>70227520
The wall just got 10 feet deeper.
>>70228830
>you whiteys
Sometimes whe I read things like that, I hope that England gets so overpopulated with refugees that it flips over and sinks into the ocean.
>>70229076
lol you could make an uber wall i suppose 50m deep with sensors at the bottom should stop most shit but idk ud prolly just take a bribe and let em use the gate
>>70228097
what a redpill, im saving.
>>70228830
They're bringing drugs...
>>70222402
Is that Clancy fucking Brown in the background?
>>70222402
There's no real alternative to a wall though.
idiots you can only spam propaganda
>>70222402
>>70222402
Didnt you know OP? According to the retards in this board illegal immigrants cost this country like 600 gorillion dollars per day! And contribute in no way to the economy and totally do not help preserve our comfy lifestyles :^)
>>70230061
The only thing you're worried about preserving is that fat Mexican cock in your mouth you bull prepping cuck
>>70223804
>implying the contract wouldn't get awarded to a Beltway Bandit
>>70230061
Cheap farm labor does not even begin to offset the cost of crime, education, healthcare and welfare.
Even if America pay it by themselves, it's still profitable for long term. See >>70228097
>The total costs of providing blablablablablablablabla $4.2 billion in 2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkSo0QQLUfE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U9tDOVVc8g
>>70230061
Yeah man I agree. There's nothing wrong with fitting 17 people who don't pay taxes into a 2 bedroom apartment. They need to send all the extra money they make back to their families in Mexico. That way both of our economies win!
>walls are stupid
How's this for an argument, Pedro.
>>70228830
>>70229295
they're bringing crime...
>>70230625
>>70230723
>>70230897
This picture is fake as fuck. Mexico's southern border is not only unsecured as fuck, it's a literal jungle. Like, with jaguars and shit. Not a desert, as depicted in your picture. And the last picture you posted is actually the US-Mexico border.
t. white boy dating a spic
