When will the college bubble burst?
What will happen afterwards?
>not owning property
>>70215567
everyone should racemix
Everyone should have a job.
You can foreclose a house, you can't foreclose an education.
>>70217412
Big Pharma chemical lobotomy bubble after college bubble?
>>70217673
Why? That would cost money rather than gain money or assets. The only solution that benefits the debtees is slavery, which is internationally illegal.
debt forgiveness. Unlike for the housing bubble, the government will actually bail out the people this time. Thank god.
http://www.theawl.com/2015/10/there-is-no-college-bubble
>>70215567
Hope it's fucking soon. American college is nothing but a money-making racket. It teaches basically nothing.
>Muh gen ed
>You have to take 150+ credit hours
Why?
>Because we say so.
It has nothing to do with my degree, most of which I already know.
>We don't make fucktons of money that way though.
>Now write 30 pointless papers a week to prove you can do busywork
Fuck the system to death. I hope every college in America collapses in on its bloated self.
>>70218168
Don't count on that. If anything they're going in the opposite direction. Only recently they started charging interest on college loans during the interim between semesters, but before you went into repayment.
Never. There will always be a demand for adult daycares. Parents will always need a break after 18 years.
>>70215567
Where did Americans get the idea that everyone should go to college? It doesn't really exist in most countries.
Here, university is something for the top 15% of students, the rest get job training.
>>70219797
>Where did Americans get the idea that everyone should go to college?
It's a twisted one. Parents send their offspring to college to improve their life, the economy notices that and rises the requirements for their jobs to still be able to have low-paid workers.
>>70219797
>Where did Americans get the idea that everyone should go to college?
Boomers. They went to college when it was cheap-as-FUCK. Then, when they work their way up to higher positions where they can hire people, i.e. a younger generation, they demand qualifications like a degree; so, people go to college to get that degree.
But, it turns out that every job is now asking for a degree, which means more people going to college, which means devaluation of the degree.
And so on and so on.
>>70219919
There is no more training : ^)
>>70219797
The notion that anyone can do what they want to if they try hard enough (The American Dream). Too bad some people are just either genetically inferior or too flat out stupid to go to college and graduate.
we need virtual reality already fuck this shit, why can't i just escape fuck 3d bitches and kill goblins and do magic.
>>70215567
Things to do as an American
>Dont own property
>Dont educate yourself
>Be a good goy
>Work for tips
>>70219666
This.
I went for two years right after high school. Glad I caught the bullshit as early as I did and dropped out. It's a really devious scam that preys on scared, dumb kids.
I really wonder how far the money goes on it. Is the media in on it and that's why they are scaring kids into expensive college degrees? Banks in on it? Probably.
>>70215567
Everyone should own property or.other stable wealth and get as educated as possible. You can do both without getting knee deep in the debt if you aren't completely retarded.
Bubbles just mean that the latest ponzi scheme ran out of niggers to scam. No one forces you to participate in such schemes in the first place.
>>70215567
I will say this /pol/, that as someone who is graduating with a BS in Biology/Pre-Med and have secured a position at a chemical company at 50k with benefits and promotion, the company cared very little about the actual degree.
Experience was far more significant to them, a college degree is basically a certification that you're not a total piece of shit and even then, only STEM.
I will though be paying off my debt ~12k within the first year of my employment.
>>70218168
>use the people's money to pay lenders for the irresponsible deadbeats
>bailing out the people
>>70220187
The 21st century American system provides neither.
>buy house
>$200000 down payment
>still pay for it the rest of your life just like an apartment
>some private company polices your usage of this land just like an apartment
>go to university
>acquire zero skills
>only learn to parrot what the Information Minister wants you to say
>graduate school, wonder why employers look at you like you're rotten meat
It wasn't always like this. Baby boomers spent the equivalent of a monthly internet bill on school, often didn't even appear for classes, got their degree then got a stable job. Now that baby boomers are in control of everything, if you get a job at all then they can become insolvent and you never receive your pay just like former soviet bloc. The company will go out of business but it won't affect the "leaders" at all because the government will bail them out.
>>70215567
Education isn't wrong if you get the right education. Any engineering stuff is useful regardless of what you are going to work with.
>>70220713
Right education == teach your damn self then build your own industry from the ground up. This is what I am left with, after serial-retraining for around 5ish entirely different careers.
Southern California, don't come here. You need a place with "help wanted" signs, not "available for lease" on every property.
>>70220512
>lenders
The U.S. Treasury loans to students directly these days. They started doing that as part of the Obamacare bill.
>>70215567
>When will the college bubble burst?
Soon, because the debt on student loans is exceeding or has already exceeded the debt on home loans.
>What will happen afterwards?
Shaniqua will need to go to trade school instead getting a degree in Kill Whitey from Decolonization Safe Space U.
>>70220954
>Shaniqua will need to go to trade school
Getting electrocuted while trying to weld.
>>70220885
They always did. There are private lenders, too. As part of Obamacare, 40% of my federal Stafford loans were sold to a private lender.
>>70221088
What's the downside?
>88
Oh Deutschland
The only way I think we could actually have a bubble to burst in the first place is if we radically alter student loan repayment. If we don't get that, then the debt will just keep rising and the USA will have successfully created a generation of wage slaves.
The bubble has pooped
>>70221184
>What's the downside?
The lawsuit that follows. Them machines are racist.
>>70220954
>Soon
University degrees are already worthless, even for 'prestigious' majors. 15 years ago when I was making these decisions, I saw one trade after another become worthless and so I planned very conservatively and set my sights on things that I expected to remain stable rather than things promising the most money in the short term. The short term jobs died, the jobs I prepared for died, the jobs I didn't consider myself capable of attaining died. I retrained again and again and again; those jobs died.
Today's university students are thoroughly fucked. They are living on nothing but lies and only the butcher's hammer awaits them.
>inb4 "I have a nepotist job from my father waiting for me in 6 months, why can't you do the amazing things I did with my life?"
I haven't worked a day in years and I am better off right now than I was during the peak of my working life. My complaints are merely a cautionary tale for others who are not as lucky as I am.
>>70221188
> and the USA will have successfully created a generation of wage slaves.
What's more likely to happen is that, as the progressive Millennial generation ages, they will elect public officials who will forgive the federal debt and institute new programs allowing students to complete four-year degrees debt-free. Student debt is only a problem now because we're stuck in between "Education is a great investment for society" and "Get your government hands off my money." As the older generation passes away, the newer one will solve the problem by changing the underlying philosophy that we operate under.
>>70218168
>we just give the people le free money xDD
reddit, you need to go back.
>>70221374
Generations Y and Z are going to toss up a Happening which puts mankind's current history to shame.
Just don't kill me please, I'm on your side.
>>70219984
Nah they're just making it easier to graduate. What do you think Psychology degrees are for?
>>70221588
>Generations Y and Z are going to toss up a Happening
Not at all. Just because you bought into the right-wing fearmongering doesn't mean it's legitimate. Progressive public policy works, and y'all will see that over the next 20-30 years.
I actually asked a lot of my professors this ( I am economics student ) and the general consensus seems to be, around 10-20 years.
This upcoming business cycle end will definitely not be education related, probably more to do with slowing global growth, energy sector crisis, and appreciating US dollar
>>70221616
There are degrees vastly easier than psychology. That said, four years of psychology is about as useful as four years of digging in the back yard with a soup spoon for fun as a tiny kid.
We could easily give any American without a home a house. But all the illegals would have to be kicked out first
>>70221714
>progressive public policy works
Are you being massively sarcastic, or are you just a 4kb script on a Russian botnet?
>obama's plan works
>just them bad ol' Republicans haven't been undone-enough quite yet
>hillary's plan will definitely work
>I'm a sanders supporter but I'm going to shill 24/7 for hillary as soon as the primaries are over
>>70220713
80% of people are too stupid to get an engineering degree.
Higher education doesn't work when you send millions of legitimately below average students. Now you have kids getting degrees in bullshit where they don't have to actually learn anything cause the Colleges don't want all of them to flunk out.
>>70221897
Step 1: remove taco (sorry taco, fix your own country.)
Step 2: re-institute the traditional homestead act of claiming land.
Step 3: build your own damn house.
Step 4: enjoy living in something vastly superior to mass-produced houses which sell for a half a million each.
>>70222054
The only halfway-decent engineers I've known are "retired," which is fancy talk for replaced by disposable young grunts.
STEM works if you can make it work. If you're relying on a big employer to make it work on your behalf, then don't major STEM no matter how easy the classes might feel for you. School NEVER prepares you for real life; the average engineer job means either standing out on baked clay all day every day or sitting in a cubicle with the rest of the proles. You will never receive any where near as much respect or money as you have worked for, just like HMO doctors or highly-specialized schoolteachers.
>>70221349
It's not entirely fucked. Electricians can make a good living right now, as can plumbers and stone masons. Many people in tech manage just fine, provided that they don't fuck with startup bullshitters. There's a good deal of people out there in various engineering disciplines that are weathering and surviving (although not exactly thriving). Granted, even these fields aren't doing as well as they were 15 years ago, but they are far from dead.
On the flip side of that argument, however, there aren't enough of these jobs for everyone, the job market is absolutely fucked in general right now. I just wanted to say it's not hopeless for people who have a good work ethic, a strong back and their wits.
>>70222097
Exactly. You should be able to go out and claim a plot of land If it doesn't belong to anyone. And you shouldn't have to jump through hoops to build on your own land. I understand if you live in the suburbs, but there is no reason other than extortion why you need permits and shit to build when you live in a rural area.
So either the government needs to give people houses, or stop fucking with them when they try to build their own
>>70222054
>STEM meme
>muh "everything but STEM is bullshit" meme
kill yourself retard
>>70221349
Nepotism is and always was the only way to get a job. Only in the post war boom and the few decades afterwards did people actually consistently find work by just applying for positions out of college.
>>70222344
>Electricians can make a good living right now, as can plumbers and stone masons
These are exactly the kinds of careers I would recommend to people.
Not STEM, not computer-based trades, and sure as hell not anything which ends with "ology" unless you're planning to be the kind of doctor who keeps people alive under dire circumstances. Lawyers cry like an infant when they get their plumber bill.
>>70219253
I remember reading housing articles about the sub prime market making the same argument in 2006.
>>70221349
All of that is true, but the discussion isn't the merit of university degrees. We already know they're worth nothing. College has become High School 2.0.
What matters is every moron with a C-average in high school going to six-figure tuition schools and majoring in dance therapy, then getting out and demanding a high paying job that doesn't exist and has never existed even in good times. That is your generation of Bernie Sanders supporters, summarized. Easily 80% of people in university fall into that category. They have no business being there, they're not intelligent enough for it, and they are going into debt and taking classes in useless topics for zero tangible gain, then get all huffy about it once they realize they've been duped.
If you ever wanted to hand-wave this meme about the average person being intelligent, just point to the college situation. People are literally paying money to be brainwashed by Marxism and become debt slaves to Semites while blaming the faceless enemy, "corporations", for all their woes.
>>70222436
Everything already "belongs" to someone, wealth will only be acquired by theft in the coming days
>>70222054
>>70222438
No, it's true that the majority can't hack it at STEM. Many people flock to those majors because they see big money, only to drop because they can't hack the courses. Of the people who don't drop right away, there's still a sizeable portion who will be unemployable retards (a ton of the goddam designateds and middle eastern shitskins, there are barely any blacks in STEM).
>>70222602
2006 was the leadup to the bubble, when the redpilled folk of the day were constantly saying "any minute now" while memesters were constantly mocking them and saying houses absolutely_never go down in value. My own dad bought into that lie, then lost the house I grew up in because it couldn't possibly be sold.
Late October of 2008, look up the Dow Jones Industrial Average. Like one fucking week before Obama was elected.
>>70222670
Bernie Sanders supporters are going to become Hillary Clinton supporters in just a few more weeks. Currently on /pol/ they are Ted Cruz supporters just because they're desperate to keep Trump out.
>>70222875
*leadup to the bubble bursting
>>70215567
Basically what's already happening now. Degrees in most anything from elite (US News top 50) schools will still be worth something (if only as a ticket into competitive grad schools).
STEM degrees from those schools and the competitive grad programs that they get you into will still be the only surefire path into the upper middle class.
The only degrees of any worth from schools outside of that elite group will still be STEM degrees or vocational degrees like nursing or accounting, and the ROI on going to those schools for those things will still be good.
What WILL change is that non-elite private schools will come to be seen as the overpriced young adult day-care facilities that they are, and their appeal to people who don't want to be nurses, engineers, or accountants will cease to exist. Many mediocre private schools will go out of business at this point.
Meanwhile, applications to state schools will surge and they will become more competitive, though people will still have second thoughts about going to South Central New Hampshire State University for their Art History degree (though as an Art History major from an elite program, it can and does pay well if you come out of an Ivy or a place with an Ivy-like alumni network because of all the museum and auction house jobs that a rigorous program from good school will make you a candidate for. Sorry, underachievers...).
But basically, what's going to happen is that college for and by the upper middle class will go unchanged, but college as it currently exists for the working and middle classes will cease to be.
>>70221900
I think progressive policy could work if we stopped all low IQ immigration, forced people under a certain standard of living to have abortions, and removed all degenerates and criminals from the population.
Even then it would work for maybe 3 generations before collapsing in on itself.
>>70215567
When the fed gets fed up with government intervention.
>>70222054
>STEM fields are the only things I've ever had much interest in
>high school grades were shit because I slept through everything and didn't do homework
>stopped showing up to community college when my parents died so those grades are shit too
>poor
>almost 30
I don't know what to do anymore.
Government will raise taxes to pay for all the unpaid loans. Students sure aren't going to pay.
>>70223042
"Elite" schools mean absolutely nothing now. If anything, they are caving the hardest to Social Justice cancer. If you're entering school right now, then by the time you graduate your degree won't be worth its weight in diseased feces.
Those schools were only famous in the first place because of American football.
>>70223047
Progressive policy works perfectly in a society which has zero need for it.
>>70223047
This, socialism absolutely works.
But in the process, you need to mold your country's demographics to match those of Denmark or Norway (aka average IQ of ≥110, everyone is hard-working and values self improvement).
To make it happen here, you'd pretty much have to sterilize the bottom two socioeconomic quintiles, hold the next two to a strict one-child policy, and shower the top quintile with incentives to settle down and reproduce at a rate of 3-5 kids per family.
Which is pretty much the exact opposite of what we are doing now, which is why we deserve to lie in the dysgenic bed that we've made for ourselves.
>>70223069
quit making excuses and remember, you arent the only person in the WORLD that's gone through the same situation as you
>>70215567
>unemployed for several years
>paid zero dollars on my loans
Everything according to plan.
>>70223467
Conservative policy reduces the need for progressive policy.
Progressive policy increases the need for progressive policy.
Progressive policy works better the less you need it.
Bernie Sanders worships single motherhood.
>>70223152
They ARE SJW-infested shithole, but they still attract the best faculty that you'll find anywhere. If you ignore the indoctrination (which is no worse than it is anywhere else, and you have far fewer dindus to contend with than you do at a state school), you can still get a damned good education, and the elites are pretty much the only path into med school, a top-level high tech job, or a good law school.
>>70222438
you must be one of those retards I was talking about.
It's not that you have to get a STEM degree to be successful, it's that unlike Philosophy, Psychology, Poli Sci, Pottery, Family studies etc, you need to have some degree of intelligence to get through it and most students don't.
>>70223711
>the best faculty
Major universities' big teachers don't even teach the classes they're in charge of. An assistant delivers the lecture then a scantron reader grades the tests.
If you want quality teaching, then teach your damn self. Stadium-seated classrooms aren't going to deliver any kind of practical skills you can apply in the real world for your own benefit. If you want to enrich yourself then learn to program and create a game which wasteful teenagers will buy several copies of on Steam. Long story short, if you want money then learn to charm it out of young people's pockets because old people's money is already spoken for and then some.
>>70223570
I'm with you 100%.
Which is why the only progressive countries that work are essentially giant villages of hard-working, self-bettering high-IQ people who are culturally homogeneous enough to get behind the idea of pooling their resources to get a better rate on healthcare, childcare, and education.
But absolutely, they need it the least, and choose to do it only because it makes sense in their socioeconomically homogeneous societies where excessive greed is frowned upon.
To use the Elysium analogy, progressive policies only work if you're already on the space station.
>>70223477
never implied that I was
>>70222737
Mostly the federal and state governments. They can sell off that land if they want. Considering the massive public debt some states are already doing this.
>>70222737
>>70222737
>>70223467
This post is pure truth underrated totally.
>>70224073
To be blunt: they don't work.
Sharing works, but government is terrible at sharing. Stick with conservative policies instead, and let private parties share IF THEY FEEL LIKE. If private citizens don't feel like sharing on their free will, then tough luck hike back to Syria. Or try your chances in one of the countries which used to be much closer until you let yourself get crammed into a shipping container bound for France.
>>70222298
Dang HMO doctors... Teachers
This post is too real
>>70215567
Everyone should own property though.
>>70215567
It's bursting every day in people's lives. The only thing that can happen is for people to pay even more debt, while the rich get away with it, even if they pay too, but small fry will perish. Country is really fucking itself if it doesn't uses the available educated people, of course bosses prefer cheap Indian labour.
You can't default on student debt. You could however default on the 5 mortgages you took out to buy "investment" properties. You could also have even got a mortgage with your newborn child's social security number.
>>70223909
Spoken like a true state-schooler who has never had 6-person seminars with tenured faculty who are leaders in their own respective fields.
Those sorts of student/teacher ratios are standard within majors at the Ivies, the UAA schools, and the NESCAC schools.
If stadium seating is something you're seeing in anything but the lowest level of courses, then I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you're not going to an elite school, m8.
>>70218168
Wew lad
>>70219666
Our education system needs to be rebuilt from the bottom. Get rid of the idea that college is a mandatory thing and introduce trade education earlier
>>70215567
Colleges will gut worthless departments
Why private sharing is better than public sharing:
A person *might* give you a free handout. After the first time, or even *on* the first time, they might hand you a broom / shovel / etc and expect you to work for your meals. You do your work, you earn your keep, you prove yourself useful and it turns out they need you. Boom, you're not in poverty anymore - UNLIKE FREE HANDOUTS. If you get sick of your broom job, you need only convince a bigger and better employer that your loyalty and dependability can prove useful elsewhere.
>>70223069
What specifically about STEM interests you?
Research, engineering, coding?
>>70223783
poli sci and psychology are some of the toughest majors available.
>>70223783
Philisophy majors have highest avg IQ
>>70219797
It is burned into our brains that college = good job all throughout primary and secondary school. Not that college can lead to a "good job" but that the two are equal. Like how Orwell phrased what thoughtcrime was.
So, everyone and their mother must go to college, which is equated with a sort of white collar job training. Any kind of trade or entrepreneurial work is never spoken of.
So In the American mind, the thought process goes like this:
I must go to college, study anything, afterwards I will receive a high paying respectable middle class job. If not, something is broken. Race, how I look, my tattoos, the fact that my "skill" I learned in college is actually useless. Anything but the market compensating for a workforce saturated with college graduates, who demand higher wages on the basis of "my degree = good job".
It is not really hard to see that the labor force is completely saturated.
>>70224598
Seminar != schoolcourse.
If you're interning and seminaring and side-researching (you damn well better be,) then you're not the norm. On the other hand, if you're doing all of these things but forgetting to perform extensive digging on the ten-year stability prospects of your chosen career field, then you'll end up with the same fate as them.
>tl;dr - that reaction an old person with battle scars gives when responding to a young person with sugarcoated information
You should have a section of your Economics class in high school that specifically teaches you how student loans work and how they can actually fuck up your future.
>>70224930
mods delete this poster
Already starting to happen. Heald went down. First the shitty tv for profit ones, then some lower tier state ones, followed by SOME prestigious ones where their relevance has been maintained by sports and not academics.
>>70223069
If you get the opportunity, you should kill yourself
>>70224999
That's like saying: cattle ranches should teach steer how the beef industry works.
>>70224743
>you need only convince a bigger and better employer that your loyalty and dependability can prove useful elsewhere.
someones never had a job before
>>70215567
it depends on how well your economy is going, if you have a solid economy any loan that ultimatelly will turn in tecnological development is good. if your economy is not that good and you are printing money to loan that will generate inflation. story of brazil life we arem oney printers.
>>70224999
Do we need to teach people anything now?
>>70225257
I'm not describing the present system. I'm describing the system of several decades ago back before the US government guaranteed tuition (older than you might think) and people expected to succeed regardless of the outcomes of their actions.
I've volunteered 14+ hour days just for the hint of an opportunity to earn my keep before.
>>70223909
Honestly I think online education tools will soon eclipse the university system for most jobs.
Google is trying to do this with their Udacity Nano degree program. Speaking as a CS major, there is really very little reason for a programmer to go to college. The concepts learned in CS have very little to do with most programming jobs and Universities always lag behind industry in adopting new languages.
>>70215567
The this generation will be the one where machines take the menial jobs and the only skilled labour will be programing or art, the NEET will be the new norm encouraged by governments to pacify the population into either peace or enrage the population into anarchy.
>>70221267
DESIGNATED SHITTING BUBBLES
>>70221374
That is already in the process of happening.
What I'm more worried about is the fate of the current generation who are crushed under so much debt.
While it's easy to scapegoat and blame people who took out 100 grand to major in underwater basketweaving, the truth is that jobs in every industry are scarce or don't pay what they should due to visa programs that undercut American labor. STEM majors are deluded to think that they'll be better off in the new economy when no matter what, your job is in danger of being automated or outsourced.
I'd totally be down for a riots in the streets style class war or even revolution, but I'd probably be one of the guys shuttling around food and supplies because I'm not cut our for warfare. I have no military training or even the ability to shoot a gun well.
Make no mistake, this is a happening in its infancy. I just don't know how it will happen.
>>70225392
continuing, if your economy is cucked, you can still profit from this. if there are stocks based on student loans you can rent those stocks and sell it, after they go real low you can buy them back and return it. the difference is your profit. this happend in the USA. they created papers based on the fucked up student loans.
>>70225515
Online tools, yes.
Online schools, NO YOU DAMN FOOL RUN AWAY AS FAST AS YOU CAN.
Schools are just the new scam. Ten years ago it was houses, twenty years ago it was websites; a hundred years ago it was fake stocks for fake companies. Scams will stop happening when human stupidity stops happening.
3rd year sociology student at modest state school. AMA
>>70225631
The generation who are screwed over are taught to always think about others, as long as "others" = a large group of people that aren't white men. So this movement would never gain traction with them.
The problem is that high school today is brain dead easy. You literally HAVE to be mentally retarded to not pass the basic stuff, fuck I even think that retarded kids still get diplomas for doing their "coursework". Maybe if diplomas were worth more than toilet paper than college wouldn't be as important as it is.
>>70219666
>UW system sitting on hundreds of millions of dollars
>governor cuts funding for UW system by 13%
>HE HATES EDUCATION, HE IS UNDERFUNDING OUR SCHOOLS
It's not underfunding if you cut down an overfunded institution.
University, degrees, and the whole secondary education system is one big waste of time that you are required to do now because not going to college is viewed as being unsuccessful. Fuck Boomers for instilling that idea.
>>70225708
A woman and her three children have been viciously battered; she refuses to name the assailant. Everybody suspects her husband but there is zero actual evidence against him and the woman's other male relatives all seem to have had an elevated risk factor. What the fuck do you do?
>v& the kids and ignore any further abuse which happens to them from that point onward, then they become de-facto homeless at age 18 because the foster care suddenly runs out
>from conversations with people who experienced this lifestyle and had bus passes stolen from them while sleeping in the park
Enjoy your public schoolteaching career, you humanity-loathing progressiveist.
>>70225708
Why have you decided to waste whatever talents you may have? Or are you going to use this to go grad school? Do you enjoy the thought of twisting statistics to make propaganda?
>>70223570
That pic is funny because my mom was a single mother, and im not going to be middleclass for much longer, no degree btw, just a few certs and practical experience in the IT industry.
Making $60000/yr with two certs, ill be going for some CISCO certs, security certs, and database admin certs and be on my way to $200k+
>>70226089
If universities became entirely self-funded, then tuition would return to normal levels and the schools-worth-existing would unlock their hidden potential.
The reason why US tuition is so damn high is because you don't pay it until after you graduate. It's the ultimate shyster contract, outside of the Church of Scientology.
>>70223570
>>70226199
But im likely an outlier, and im not a nigger
>>70224930
I'm not him, but IQ doesn't mean shit. I don't see why /pol/ has such a hardon for IQ.
>>70226199
>fantasizing on the internet
+1 (You)
Make sure you get the CCIE, because CCNA starts at about $12/hr.
>I'm gonna be a database admin!
Lord have mercy.
>>70224930
You can be smart and do philosophy and take it seriously and get a 4.0 or you can be a retard, take it cause you have very little work(maybe 2-3 papers a semester) and get a 3.0.
I double majored in CS and Philosophy. The top 10% of philosophy students were very smart. The bottom 50% were lazy fucks who liked weed and abstract thinking.
Keep in mind, philosophy departments are where you're most likely to find Communists, Socialists, Lolbertarians and other people subscribing to failed ideologies
>>70217412
At least in the US I believe they can wage garnish, so you are always forced to pay something.
>>70226199
Are you retarded or something? Do you understand that what the picture implies is not that EVERYONE who had a single mother growing up will be fucked? Jesus Christ stop being so self absorbed for a second and apply some critical thinking skills.
>>70226382
Wage garnishment is a fascinating system in the US.
(another oldshit anecdote incoming)
In a rare moment of bizzaro world, I saw a man win spousal support in a divorce (man was the crackhead, woman was the breadwinner.) The woman had her wage garnished, and the family law (worst of all courts) judge ordered her to deliver the cost of the mortgage bill to the man, and ordered the man to pay the mortgage. He took the money, didn't pay a single bill, let the house get foreclosed, and was sitting on around $5000/month of play money because he was also collecting disability.
He testified under oath he was not collecting disability, and when it was found out he had deliberately fuckoff'd about a dozen different court orders the spousal support (aka alimony) was quietly discontinued. In other words, pussy pass but for a man.
I'm numb to shitposters; I only say these things because I wish an older man had said them to me when I still had my hair.
>>70226093
I actually do have a general interest in public school teaching because it was my public school teachers who got me interested in learning to begin with. Also I think there is something positive for a male influence in the classroom at a young age. or do you believe in the "nanny" state like you described? there are many things about me that are not very progressive at all. I am one of the more conservative sociology majors you would meet.
>>70226167
everybody always asks or expects me to go to grad school but I most likely will not. I don't like twisting statistics for any "propaganda" in fact I don't like using statistics at all because they are precisely used in the MSM for that reason... propaganda.
I am a social theorist, or at least i lean that way.
>>70218168
Still wont be good, especially not for those who weren't fucking retarded with loans, and future generations. Pay your loans.
>>70218168
pass law making it illegal to sell debt. oh wow i hope this happens. so much of wageslavery is about selling bad debt.
thing i dont understand is, why is there no element of risk for money lenders anymore. I studies for two years, dropped out and have been a NEET ever since.
my dad actually had a double major with sociology. Appearently in the 80s it was a respectable interesting field, instead of a degree in Marxist class theory and political correctness
>>70225490
>I'm describing the system of several decades ago back before the US government guaranteed tuition
Then you must be talking about pre-WWII? Before the GI-Bill? That allowed veterans or the children of veterans which covered tuition and living expense.
>>70227164
>why is there no element of risk for lenders anymore
>>70227241
They'd be fucked if people stopped borrowing but everyone wants to have a mac book pro with max options to get their private school sociology degree.
>>70226020
This is how you know leftists are full of shit when they talk about investing in education. They never talk about fixing our fucked up 12 years of mandatory public schooling. It's always about college.
What good is it sending Jamal and Shanequa to college at 19 if they didn't learn shit the first 12 years of their education? This is how we got the BLM movement.
>>70226812
according to your argument hair is more important than money, law, or education
I would say that experience is probably worth more these days. If you tell people you went to college, I think thats almost a boring answer. If you say you ran your own business for a few years fixing people's computer problems for cash on the side people want to hire you.
My dad was making tons of sales and was mad he wasn't getting paid enough so he opened his own shop, ten years later he got hired rather quickly and made more sales working for someone else.
Either way moneywise in America you make the most from about late 30s to 50s then income falls off. Basically these kids thinking you just get a decent job once you get into the business are lied to, you need about ten years of experience and dedication to get into a good position and thats only if you actively search for ways to grow as you work.
Most people I've met sadsack in a job for their entire lives and blame everyone else and earn their 30k or so and spend it all on their families.
>>70226089
university is a great thing. the boomers were right to encourage us to pursue higher education. however what they failed to do was create oversight to prevent educational institutions which are meant to serve the most vulnerable members of society, the unemployed and children, turning into profitable organizations that do not actually teach what they are meant to teach. 50 years ago when my grandma studied education, it was a 6 month course. now it is 4 years. you're looking at a masters of postgrad if you want to be a department head. you are literally babysitting children until they are old enough to work and singing nursery rhymes.
satan is right.
>>70219666
>>70227241
>tfw in my 30s
>tfw no GED
>tfw work at walmart for the past eight years
>tfw zero passions/career goals in life
>tfw no clue what to do and will probably die at work
At least I have zero debt.
>>70215567
When I turn 65 I am going back to College. Enrolling at the most expensive ones I can find. Going to apply for Max student loans. Will party for next decade.
>>70226321
>t. Tyrone Biggums
>>70224646
This would solve a lot of issues. Too much of a glut of college degrees going around, especially useless degrees. Give the idea that going to a trade is something that should also be supported, or start streamlining college education and get rid of this liberal arts "take every class" bullshit, and graduate people sooner for less.
>>70225999
I don't think you exist in this century, grandpa. Millenials are way more enraged at the elite ruling class than they are at other oppressed classes.
It's always been have vs. have not. There are definite cases systematic and structural oppression like the drug war, but it's part of a scheme to get money out of the hands of people who've earned it and into the hands of the ruling elite who haven't necessarily acquired their position through good ole' hard work and ingenuity. We are returning to a feudal system of lords and serfs, only now we have youtube and iPhones to distract us.
If you don't believe that, then you just don't believe in the same facts. You can't really do anything about that.
>>70226907
Public schools are a horrible career. If you're not dissuaded by my saying this, then here are the things you need to know...
Some districts are vastly more corrupt than others. Don't work for the same district you grew up in, unless they delivered as much as possible to children while charging as little as much to local home-owners (property tax.) My own local school district (same one I attended) is the exact opposite on both counts. Their teachers do their clothes shopping at Goodwill, and live in studio apartments unless they're trophy-married to a breadwinner who pays all the bills while the teacher works just for the medical coverage.
If you want to teach, then consider your options. There are part-time math tutors taking home more money than full-time schoolteachers who teach math. You might get fired in a mass-sweep based on the color of your skin. You might have somebody else's personnel file ("permanent record") copy-pasted into your own with names changed, when their file was entirely made up to fire them conveniently and deny benefits. Expulsion students' accusations against you will be treated as gospel truth while physical and conclusive evidence exonerating you will be discarded entirely. When dozens of teachers sue collectively, their law firm will be run off the road mafia-style and then the lawsuit will lose by default. I have witnessed all this and plenty worse.
Long story short, look before you leap. Best statement an older person could ever give to a younger person.
>>70226339
Not
>im gonna be a database admin!
>$12/hr
Its
>I make $31.25/hr with 6 years IT exp. And Sec+ & Net+
>Im a net. Analyst
>my goal is certified to be a net. Engineer and newtwork security and get my CEH, CCNP+Sec, CISSP, MS Server, SQL DB, and Apache certifications.
>let me know when youre a contractor
>>70221714
>and y'all will see that over the next 20-30 years.
What's with progressives and saying "y'all"?
>>70227533
>tfw no degree can't escape your shitty country and just default on all your debt
>they cant make you pay your loans if you're working in Switzerland.
>>70227483
>latch onto a trigger-word then deliver the trigger speech
didn't read, go faketalk to somebody else
Is software engineering a meme?
>>70216060
Contrary to what Democrats believe, you don't need a huge government investment and closure of a sector of profit to create jobs. It does the opposite, actually.
>>70227527
>failed to do was create oversight to prevent educational institutions which are meant to serve the most vulnerable members of society
I disagree
To me its pretty clear it was grants and free or subsidized college than amped prices to insane levels then financial wizardry that made the debt impossible to escape. They even call it a bubble. The 200 or so billion that is owed will probably never be repaid by this generation.
I know I owe 23000 amped from 10k I took out when I was dumb, I don't see myself getting that kind of money for awhile.
>>70223069
apprenticeship or trade school
both are far far far cheaper than going to college and almost guarantee you a decent job
>>70227631
This.
The UK does degrees in 3 years instead of 4 because they don't waste a year doing "all classes".
Liberal arts do have their uses however, the problem is people taking liberal arts because its easy or because they don't know what to take. If you really really want to be a writer then go ahead and take English.
>>70227666
>6 yrs exp
>when I finish my degree
Employers will not respect what you have done. They do not respect what war veterans or elderly industry gurus have done. You are not wise to place undue optimism in systems which have already burned and devoured your predecessors. All I'm saying is, BE FUCKING CAREFUL.
Now that I mention it, I'm actually glad that you're (you)-ing me. Just take that same energy you've got right now, and use it to scrutinize other parties in a contract before you put your signature on it. In fact, if you REALLY love yourself, don't sign a goddamned thing until you've paid an experienced professional to read it for you. You know how many scammers the internet has? Brickspace has more.
>>70227803
Everything is a meme. Your DNA is a meme, propagated by the internet backbone of your dick, shitposting itself in Malaysian bread-making ovens for Andrew Jacksons.
>>70227813
soviet union had 100% employment, that worked great right?
The difficulty now is that companies can get more production with less employees. about 8 million lost their jobs and the production increased dramatically from 2010 to 2015. Literally they need less people and can do more.
>>70227803
Likely going to be even more useful in the future as roboticization becomes even more common.
>>70226339
you can make good money if you work in a security sensitive job doing this btw. power companies and banks and stuff need vetted people who live locally. outsourcing your network admin to china isnt really strategically feasible for some industries where say you have sensitive patentable trade secrets or bank details or shit like this.
>>70220146
So you dropped out the semester before you get to important stuff? The first two years are where you take your bullshit busywork classes. If you aren't retarded you should be in a majority of your major specific classes your junior and senior years. I've taken 4 to 5 Math/Econ Classes each semester for the last two years.
>>70227655
>Long story short, look before you leap. Best statement an older person could ever give to a younger person.
i will take that into consideration senpai, thank you. i have respect for my elders and those who came before. "public/youth general education" is something i have told people i will fall back on after i graduate for the past 2-3 years now.
And while it is always there as an option i don't know if that is really the career path i want to take.
>>70228012
Fuck a degree, im never getting one that shits a waste of money in the IT industry unless you dont have any experience, and then you get paid 1/3 of what i do to do more work while getting glared at and treated like a fuckwit.
In the IT industry, unless youre in education or high end development, degrees are for plebs. Certs and experience will pave the way to 3rd degree 6 figure income easy.
>>70227650
>if you don't believe in my Marxist theory, you don't believe in facts
I would disagree. Also What is the response when something like H1B visas are brought up?
>"Racist! You want to deport immigrants cause they're not white!"
if you think this generation will rise up under Some kind of Marxist class struggle then you are mistaken. Kids on campuses bitch about debt but they see it as a necessary means. They're more concerned with a system being gamed by the ultimate enemy: white men.
>>70227961
Don't lie, its hard as fuck work and won't pay well for years for most people. Sure the jobs exist in the U.S, but I doubt someone on 4chan could handle actualy responsibility and heavy lifting. You practically need to be a brute to do well in some trades like plumbing, though or course it varies.
>>70227937
australia had a pretty good system for a while. free education for decades.but it was mostly administrative blowouts that made education expensive. A WHOLE FUCKING THIRD of tuition paid here goes to admin. how is that even possible? how does admin get a third? wtf? then another third goes towards research. so we know that we pay triple for what our education is worth because top lel.
>>70227533
I would recommend you get your GED at your own pace. Then slowly acquire a skill like welding or coding certificates or something at a slower pace since I assume you work full time.
Unless you really do have "zero desire or goals". Then you've made your own bed and only work to continue being alive and nothing more. Is that really where you want to be? Look in the mirror.
>>70228640
I'm not surprised from what I hear from aussies on here about the rest of the workforce. Seems like its just excuses to dole out cash to as many people as possible and line the unions pockets in every regard.
I guess thats what happens when most of your nation is two cities.
My parents paid off my college debt. I work in a STEM related field. If your parents didn't pay for your college then they don't love you enough
>>70228347
Literally we believe different facts.
It's not Marxist theory to say that the elite are screwing over the poor. Our entire current political cycle has revolved around that.
I think we should do our best to deport illegal immigrants but do something drastic with the ones here. Force them into citizenship? Kick them out if they don't meet certain requirements?
Also, nobody sees the current student loan debt fiasco as a necessary means. They see it as a way for the government-corporate hydra to suck off even more money from the middle and lower class.
>>70228220
That's true, but the jobs you speak of are not for newcomers. If you think I'm bullshitting, then ask slashdot or any other tech forum for people who have jobs.
"IT security" means some guy with years of experience AT THAT COMPANY who can be trusted to mount the best-possible-defense when somebody attacks their shit. Have you fought against any such attacks before? Your prospective employer has a file cabinet full of resumes from people who have.
>>70228328
>Fuck a degree
That's exactly what I was hoping to see in this thread.
>Certs and experience will pave the way to 3rd degree 6 figure income easy.
Don't hope for a conventional employer and a fixed salary. In order to achieve that salary you need to be capable of becoming your own boss, and if you possess that capability then you should be reaping the harvest into your own bank account rather than somebody else's bank account. Do your time in the trenches as a grunt-nobody (this is inevitable) but save every spare cent you have for personal investments into self-employment. If you spend your pocket change on dating now then you're going to spend your salary on child support later. If you think a paternity test will save your ass then spend some time chatting it up with employed male divorcees.
>folks bring up my earlier anecdote
that man was chronically unemployed.
>>70221488
You already did bank cuck.
>>70228793
I work more than full time given if I need to stay hours after my shift ends (unpaid) so I don't lose this job. There's no way I could attend classes in person because unforeseeable shit like what I previously stated happens.
The only thing I could see myself doing is some sort of social work, but in doing so I would take things a bit too seriously and would probably end up doing some sort of vigilantism.
>>70228907
While I would agree that the rich and their government friends game the system a bit, that will never change. The problem is that they are doing it much more aggressively now and are tapering the bridge to a middle class life. A big Part of that is outsourced labor.
I would also agree with your immigrant solutions but they would never be supported. So long as the immigrants are poor brown people. If all H1B visas were Germans/Scandinavians we'd see a lot more media coverage.
Ask any millennial college student (I am one) what the biggest problems are in the world. For a while it was "the 1%! We the 99% are being screwed!" But look what happened to that movement. On the other hand, look at all the shit being pushed in universities, and student groups. BLM, gay rights this trans rights that, #notallwomen, the list goes on.
>>70228907
>I think we should do our best to deport illegal immigrants but do something drastic with the ones here
I'm not that mad about immigration as how ridiculously blatant it is that they are letting the law be violated.
The government picking and choosing which laws to enforce is disgusting. Whats worse is that now its being pushed as a racial issue instead of a legal one, and no one listens to conservatives because they are all seen as angry white men.
>>70220587
>has $200,000 in cash to put down on a house
>doesn't just pay cash for a house
>>70229635
Social work requires a degree. I would say fuck off to a degree at that point in your life. also when I say slowly, I mean like maybe one or two classes at the most at a time, just a slight change in your availability if any.
>>70229912
If I were to make an attempt at home-ownership in 2016 (why) then I would personally want to purchase empty land and then build the house with my own two hands. Commercially-built houses have shit for parts, even multi-million-dollar ones in gated communities. You get the same shitty dishwasher and the same shitty sliding glass door with fall-off attachments that people saw 50 years ago when these kinds of things were vintage new.
But honestly, fuck ownership. You get taxed a portion of your holdings constantly and every bad thing that happens is exclusively YOUR problem. In exchange for this trouble, you get to participate in a meme which lost its value in 2008. Just saying.
>>70229987
Social work requires a masters degree for a high school diploma pay scale. If you are male and hardworking and honestly considering this then please devote at least a few minutes to considering anything the fuck else. Nobody will ever have less respect for you than the government, who will become your boss in this job. If the government ever steals your pay or totals your car or rapes your pets or burns down your house, then you complain TO THE GOVERNMENT and wait in their usual lines to hear their usual bureaucratic response. Suing the government is about the least-fun process you can possibly imagine, short of being tortured to death by mafia.
t. worked for a law firm suing the government until it was procedurally bludgeoned to death by government cronies
>>70215567
>goto college
>think I was doing it under GI bill
>lolno, we doctored your paperwork, enjoy your 5k loan
>swear off college
>tell Nelnet to go fuck itself
>now just waiting for bubble to burst, or some dipshit to come try to collect
>>70229792
It's never just the government.
The government functions as an arm of the corporate universe, and has been that way since NAFTA probably.
The issue is corporatocracy absorbing government and making it work for them and not the people.
>>70232052
I wish more people had your mindset.
>>70232245
Government cronies exist because of government. They are, in fact, an extension of government itself. Just like the barons of feudalism.
>>70232245
It's never just the government but the gov is the root of the problem
Corporativists buy favours from politicians because politicians have favours to sell
>>70232245
this here >>70232848
Big Business depends on government to exorcise their power to artificially decrease the competition by increasing barriers of entry (ex. laws, taxes, mandatory wage hikes) and increase costs. In turn government receives "donations" and vice versa.
It's a game of two giant entities synergistically living off of each other to fuck everyone else up. Growing government isn't going to solve the issue.
>>70219666
The sad thing is, college still teaches you more than high school in many cases; I realized I didn't do shit then after my freshman year of college.
Were I to try to speed up education I'd make my cuts in middle and high school when a lot of the curriculum is COMPLETE fluff; Finland public school is 9 years and they're #1 educationally. Wouldn't fix college being expensive as fuck, but being able to start work a few years earlier would be something.
>>70218065
Yeah, I think debtor prisons are going to be hot in the 21st century. Private prison work system extrapolated.
>>70232971
It runs deeper than that.
When you have massive government, you ALSO have massive corporations. They obey no laws; they write the laws specifically to exempt themselves.
In a free market, the better competitor would win. The biggest fears of a free market are that a winning competitor would establish themselves as de-facto government built entirely for its own profit, in other words exactly what we all have today.
State-controlling corporations write the rules, the same rules they do not obey. Such an entity cannot be born from individual enterprise; it needs to devour thousands of personal businesses to grow to such a size. Often times, a corporation like this is created by "privatizing" a government monopoly, where all the country's resources suddenly belong to one man but otherwise nothing changes.
>>70233501
"If everything is highlighted, nothing is highlighted."
Apply this concept to prisons. You've just witnessed a vision of 21st century government.
>>70221374
>What's more likely to happen is that, as the progressive Millennial generation ages, they will elect public officials who will forgive the federal debt and institute new programs allowing students to complete four-year degrees debt-free. Student debt is only a problem now because we're stuck in between "Education is a great investment for society" and "Get your government hands off my money." As the older generation passes away, the newer one will solve the problem by changing the underlying philosophy that we operate under.
I love you. Please fist me
Reminder that college isn't a scam if your majoring in something that will actually make you money.
Who /medschool/ here?
>>70215567
Everyone should get a high school diploma in SOMETHINGS
>>70233737
Know this: "changing philosophy" involves an ocean of blood and a continent of corpses. And that's all I gots to say about that.
Even if education were free, still no one will hire you with your bullshit irrelevant degree.
>>70233952
Not quite med school, but I'm in pharmacy school right now. Planning on working in the VA, so I at least have the power to prescribe medication and not stare at a computer for 8hrs a day at a Walgreens.
>>70233952
Typical doctors take home less money over the course of their lives than typical auto mechanics.
If you WANT to become a doctor, then become a highly specialized one who preserves lives. Become an anesthesiologist - this guy puts people to sleep then keeps their breathing passages open while the surgeon does his work. Whatever you do, don't become a general practitioner. These people are to the hospital as schoolteachers are to the public school district.
>>70234190
No it doesn't. Wall Street and Debt, Inc. can suck ass. A show of force won't even be necessary. Occupy wasn't even a serious effort. Just try to repo peoples' minds. Good fucking luck bankster. They won't let you live in Europe either so we can always just march on your home.
>>70233952
Reminder that college isn't about making money, it's about learning and getting your foot in the door in a field you like.
>>70234558
>Reminder that college isn't about making money
It should be.
>>70233952
>not making money till you're 37
Not me faggot
>>70234558
Spoken like a true baby boomer.
>>70234468
Know this: the current rulers of the world aren't just going to disappear quietly into the night. Keep your head under the radar and quietly chuckle to yourself at the less-fortunate folks who failed to do so. They're going to put on a hell of a show for you over the coming decade.
>>70234802
>the current rulers of the world aren't just going to disappear quietly into the night
uh, yeah they are, when they inevitably die. They aren't immortal.
>>70234961
>what is heir
The mafia commission trials didn't put a dent in the mafia. Everybody was sentenced to life in prison but the result was business as usual. Just keep in mind, what you're up against is bigger than just one person. Don't fight the system head on - let that be somebody else's martyrdom. Just disobey as quietly as possible and don't let yourself get caught in the habit of bragging to others about how you dodged a nuke. The enemy has more than one nuke.
>>70218168
One third of US assets are student loans.
If we forgave all of those we would go to almost 25 trillion dollar in debt, near the point of interest exceeding GDP
>>70219934
Maybe you should top blaming people that capitalized in capitalist market. Or stop sperg in I'm job interviews.
>300 million people have to suffer because my degree didn't get me a job
Fuck off you lazy antisocial waste of flesh
>>70235165
>Heirs
It's a representative Democracy, not a monarchy, you twit. Power isn't hereditary. All that has to be done is to overthrow the corporate state through the democratic process, which will become so much easier once the boomers are dead and gone.
>>70234802
>the current rulers of the world aren't just going to disappear quietly into the night
Who said they have to? The debt model of everything is unsustainable, and the trajectory of the world is clear: gradually decreasing populations in the first world will require them to stop trying to debt their way prosperity because they are going to need the knowledge and the knowledge workers universities build to sustain. The world isn't going to need fewer ideas; it will need more.
>>70219666
hi satan
>mfw my college will have 100k students by 2020
>>70235311
>non-sequitur
Say whatever you want, but I'll only converse with people who read properly. Long story short, you take out one of a hydra's heads and then two more sprout from its stump of a neck.
>>70235170
The problem is that we don't really have another option. People simply can't pay back their loans.
The future is so volatile that I can't predict whether or not the world as we know it will exist in 40 years.
I have no idea how things are going to do down unless we have some sort of careful long-term debt forgiveness. That's the only way the market wouldn't be shocked into a depression.
>>70235359
What I've been saying: yes, it will happen, but not smoothly. It is going to involve a shitload of people getting robbed for everything they have and then some. Do you want to win at life? Then stop posting and start reading on how these people failed and how their enemies won. This is the true history which public schools deny their students - failing to learn from it means repeating it.
>>70235495
>This fucking post
Anon.. Pretending to be smart and knowledgeable doesn't make you smart and knowledgeable. On the contrary, I can see right through it. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.
Watch and see what happens.
>>70217412
Dude in the US the education debt never dies. You can go bankrupt and still be tied to your college debt for the rest of your life. Either the college debt bubble will either create millions of new homeless people, create a revolution (though I think that is impossible since most of the college graduates with financial problems are retards that took soft science or arts majors and most of them are cucks) or destroy the for profit college system and masive debt forgiveness (that would be absorbed by the US goverment)
>>70222344
Any trade works. I started drywalling and in my first year I had apprenticeship chances in way better trades. Once you can get on a site just show them that you're strong and want to learn. Don't price yourself out of a job. Don't spend foolishly. When it slows down make sure you're a guy they want to keep around. i.e don't be late, don't waste time, be accountable for mistakes. Earn your pride and your paycheck, the rest comes easy. I'm sure no more than 20% of the people in a first world country can say, "I know absolutely nobody that picks up tools at 7 am. This doesn't help me." Excercise your options and break a sweat. If you don't live lavishly the American dream is still alive. People are just weak
>>70235623
Hmmm. You think all the mortgage, insurance, television, auto, and other industries are simply going to allow the financial industry to rob college graduates....THEIR NOW AND FUTURE CUSTOMERS FOR DECADES...and toss graduates in prison or simply kill them?
I'm sorry, people are not as stupid as you either assume or hope. The US doesn't NEED to endure our own WWI and WWII to learn that royalist politics are unsustainable in the long-term. The US will eventually take steps to save Wall Street from itself, just as FDR did. We don't have to destroy the Western hemisphere to show elites that they have to change. They fucking well know; they are just trying to hold on as long as they can. Then the money can be made to flow in other directions. It's hardly as dire as you describe it. They aren't that stupid.
I work at a £1billion+ profit University - higher education at this level is an utter shitshow. It's hilarious some of the shit degrees/modules people are actually taking.
Is literally a course called "Social Justice and Education"
>>70236198
Oops I meant "Income" not "Profit".
>>70224930
Lol, no. Physics majors have the highest IQ's
>>70215567
Well it's free so there's like no reason to avoid college.
>>70236198
>Social Justice and Education
Precisely because people much brighter than you realize that such courses are necessary for knowledge workers in an increasingly integrated world.
Education isn't the British aristocracy buying teachers to tell it how superior it is anymore. Engligger oughta know that better than most. Not everyone can be Hawking; and they don't NEED to be in the future economy.
>>70233404
That's because the standard of education for public school has had to drop for poor performers. Thus fewer kids are graduating with calculus, physics or high level writing skills. Hell we can't even have proper physical fitness in gym anymore since someone higher up shutdown the la Sierra experiment during the Kennedy era. High school is a day care and college is becoming the new high school. Eventually it will get to the point where everyone will need a masters degree to even get a job that a boomer once could get with a high school diploma.
Get ready for future senpaitachi. Universities only care about football and how much NSF/NIH money they can get.
>Tfw I really love my tier 1 senior military college state school but severely disagree with the amount of money they hoard/beg for so they can spend it on that new fancy stadium for football. I voted no for that shit because it would increase student tuition. Got chastised by fellow Aggies who said I wasn't a true Aggie because of this.
Fuck the trend that Texas A&M has taken the past few years. They fuck with my school, they get a commandant that fucks things up for change's sake and they charge more and more each year. Fucking commandant pulls in more Hispanics and kills conservative traditions. All of you on /pol/ bitch about multiculturalism and Obama-tier change but very few of you had to deal with it where you sleep and eat on a daily basis. So many traditions had to die just because of the leftists' fear of "hazing".
>>70236479
Actually it's people FAR brighter than either of us realising there is money to be made charging idiots £9000+ year for useless degrees like this.
>>70236577
STFU
>>70215567
Don't care.
Gonna get my self some tech courses for CNC, CAD and other factory related work and then learn some mechanical or electrical engineering.
Then when i have some spare money when i'm 30 or something i'll start a small factory focused on producing parts for machines etc.
I'm actually glad this site red-pilled me.
Now i have a less skewered view on economy and am no longer a gibmsedat leftard art history student (i got my bachelors but then realized there's no work unless i start to work as a blacksmith/sculptor etc. making museum replicas or something).
>>70236664
Wait, "Social Justice and Education" is an actual degree or just a class that you need to get in order to gain credit to get a proper degree?
>>70236765
Did I trigger you texmexcuck?
>>70236664
Actually they exploited a market that the brick and mortar ivory towers ignored. Even today, in the US, major universities are working overtime to catch up to the online schools; they face major resistance from faculty senates because the tenured faculty can't monopolize it, and tough shit. They did it to themselves, and industries and governments WILL need people capable of thinking in new ways in the future, mutually. Much more We and much less Me. That's what scares most people about it. Everybody doesn't need to be an engineer. Obsolete paradigm. Your self-definition of what constitutes worth isn't terribly interesting.
>>70236960
Triggered by your imbecility, Texas Bob. Go rope some steers, Jimbo-Ray-Bob
>>70236664
>abusing nepotism or jewry to get accredited
>a monopoly on higher education
>makes you the "smart" one
>>70236134
What I fear (or hope) is that people will realize how much they've been screwed by their corporate masters and revolt. Politically and socially, probably not physically.
Once they see how Wall Street can be brought to heel, they'll realize that other industries can be reigned in as well. It would be a domino effect, I think.
>>70236435
My brother majored in physics and even had some grad school under his belt before he realized he could just make meth for cash.
Ironically, I'm in grad school for a Ph.D. in chemistry.
>>70215567
>>70215788
The only people who should be allowed to vote are property owning white men. Everything went to shit when we loosen the voting restrictions.
>>70215567
>Education is bad
lol
>>70237280
Isn't Chemistry one of the worst (unemployable) fields to go in these days?
>>70236577
>fewer kids are graduating with calculus, physics or high level writing skills
The fuck are you on about? They had more special classes in my school than basic, and we had tons of public housing kids too. Every Tom dick and Harry got out of pre cal with a D just to have a "better math" on their application for womyn's film school. What backwards ass place are you from?
>aggies
>doesn't like fooball
Just move to new york and prep the elevator attendant in trumps tower. I'm sure you'll make enough to feed his children
>>70237742
Sort of. In reality, Phys/Chem/Bio are equally unemployable at the undergraduate degree level.
Here's a tip: don't go into science if you don't plan on getting a graduate degree. Not even TEM is safe; you will be outsourced or do menial labor in lab for 30 grand a year. If you're in a field that's doing the automating, you are living on borrowed time.
All fields are experiencing poor employment numbers because automation and outsourcing are/have taken over. The era of the middle class is dead.
>>70237673
Debt to you assholes is bad. Especially for how worthless your sponsored marxists have made 60% of our courses.
Poor bluepilled faggots think that piece of paper on the wall means something.
>>70237747
Dude Texas. Algebra 2 was the last required math that kids had to take when I graduated. Only 2 years of foreign language were required as well. My school and plenty of other ones just like it were the ghettos that existed while the nationally recognized high schools existed on the other side of the freeway.
I love Aggie football btw but I think it's just plain retarded to build a bigger stadium to fit more people when the roads that fed into the school were already packed when the stadium was a lower occupancy. The surrounding infrastructure has to be reworked in order for the school renovations to be successful. Besides the school has a FUCK ton of money even more so than UT at Austin, and they continuously kept on increasing student tuition.
>>70237127
Education standards have fallen. Kids don't learn anything anymore. H1Bs flood market making competition for job worse in contrast to rising stupidity of Americans. Kids don't learn anything significant in first two years of college anyways due to core curriculum (makes a well-rounded student).
Hell I was just looking for research jobs downtown in the med center and plenty of them require a masters or two year of comparable experience in the field. A graduate degree is slowly becoming the new standard for getting a job. And sadly many Americans don't even realize that they'll be out of a job with increasing automation. Pharmacists are the first ones to go since they are just glorified pull counters. Which is hilarious given the Asian pharmacy boom of the 2000s. All of these kids were forced into the field by their parents because it was a prestigious career that required a lot of school but hardly demanded any work once you got the job. Plenty of pharmacists these days are struggling to get part-time jobs. It will get to the point that the only way to get a job at McDonald's (yes I know nobody really should work for them) is with a masters in electrical/mechanical engineering to fix the machines.
>>70238526
This anon gets it. The age of well paid PhDs and engineers is over.
>>70238889
>algebra
>foreign language
We had french grade 4 to 8 because it's our 2nd language but that's it. I was still doing triangles in grade 11. Grade 12 was "consumer" and we actually learned. How loans and mortgages work. Reasonable job prospects depending on where we were at 18. Learning memes you never use is fucking retarded. Ghetto is a meme. Balance a checkbook and speak English. Thats the minimum I expect out of citizens. I'm not satisfied with what I see when they're wasting highschool years.
And I get the football gripe. We built a new stadium in the uni grounds here and that end of town turns into a shit show. It was built like shit on our dime and still cme out late. But as far as funding that's taxpayer not tuition so I can't speak with as much certainty. And it got guys I know working for a couple years. Sounds like you got shafted
>>70238889
They should have a university for prostitutes.
I guarantee the demand will always be there.
>>70237588
You didn't have a choice. The people forced the change because we aren't all bigoted fucks like you. The U.S. is finally starting to live up to its claim that all men are created equal, and there's nothing you can do about it.
>>70239745
What about womyn and unnatural Americans you fucking bigot.
>>70239250
Not just that.
Unless we radically restructure our society, the age of the middle class is over.
The market has managed to force itself out of existence by creating automation. We are headed for some serious shit in the future, I just can't predict where we will end up.
We're genuinely headed for some weird ass sort of Star Trek economy where no one has to work to live. That or we're headed into a new feudal era where the owners of automation are the only people well off.
>>70215567
It already has, we're living in the "after"right now.
>>70238889
In most places in Texas you'll have the option of an autoadmit magnet or baccalauriat school. For example, I went to the science academy of south texas, which funnily enough in the 90% Hispanic RGV was majorly asian and white by a huge amount.
>>70217412
Just wait, soon they'll start repoing diplomas.
>>70218168
debt is slavery, do you really think they will free the slaves... not without a war they won't.
>>70239745
We have white men to thank for modern society, how exactly are we equal?
>>70240896
White men built America off the backs of the enslaved Africans and the murdered native americans.
Even putting that aside, YOU personally did not do anything. "white people" did not do anything. Individuals, who just happened to be white, they did something - But you weren't part of it.
>>70239558
True about the personal finances part. I usually bring that up when talking about this elsewhere. Although I do understand sort of why the school doesn't delve into the area. They don't want to be too intrusive into the lives of students. Although I do remember a few times before high school when my math classes required us to track stocks. Not like it did any good since that's a big mystery at that age.
Regardless the student body is always going to get shafted since they don't have any power in how the board of regents uses the checkbook. Besides who's going to have more input on how money is spent? The kids or the alumni that donate a lot of money? Lastly, funding for football stadiums in the USA is always going to be thrust upon the people given the NFL's extortion tactics. The city of St. Louis still hasn't paid for their stadium and now they have no team to generate revenue. Such a shit show.
>>70239634
The prostitutes at universities are the sororities and hosts/welcoming clubs. Those girls are used by the university to attract young 5-star Tyrones to join the school.
>>70240275
You already know the answer to your question. A living wage will never happen and even if it does it will never be given to straight, white males. Automation will only result in the second scenario. The only people who will have jobs are the leaders of automation, their butlers and the people they pay to have sex with. I would suggest that if you aren't going to go far in your field you should probably start becoming a trophy husband and snagging the daughter of a rich oil tycoon.
>>70240426
I was accepted to such a place for middle school but after the year already started. I didn't want to change things besides it was further than the other one. I took AP classes whenever I could to escape the regular group of kids. Sadly enough 2/3 of my class weren't going to graduate when we were seniors (for some reason).
>>70238889
>Education standards have fallen
How much of this is due to teabaggers and creationists on school boards, Tex? If you wish to use that sad failed state as an example, point where it belongs: at the fucking holy rollers and oilheads and teabaggers. Texas has one of the worst education systems in the US BECAUSE OF FUCKING TEXANS.
>>70241055
White people used their resources, how are you not getting this?
>>70241056
>A living wave will never happen and even if it does it will never be given to straight, white males.
Bro, what? It wouldn't be given to anybody.
>>70233952
>Went into a double in IT and Business Administration
>/g/ says pajeet will get my job
>be terrified
>Eventually find a $30kb job in a low C.O.L. area
>Only have $7500 in loans
life aint that bad. Its been seven months and they like me, and it probably helps that it's a non-profit. Hopefully I can sit on this job for another 2.5 years and move to a better paying job.
Stay out of IT though, I only got this job through connections.
>>70215567
it wont because you cant walk away from college dept. Poor fools will be enslaved for their entire lives.
>>70241341
You're the one who doesn't get it, friendo. I look at history objectively while you choose to see it through the lens of wishful thinking. You simply want to believe that you are inherently superior based on the color of your skin, but reality doesn't support that. For much of our country's history, it was a "white man's country". Social institutions were established that privileged white men over others. Native Americans were murdered, blacks were enslaved, and even after emancipation the white establishment put roadblocks in the way of their success. Even in modern times, Nixon's own policy advisor admits that the war on drugs was meant to lock up blacks.
And yet you continue to believe that all that happened simply on the basis of some inherent white superiority. You are completely delusional.
>UNFUNDED GOVERNMENT PENSIONS
UNFUNDED GOVERNMENT PENSIONS
>UNFUNDED GOVERNMENT PENSIONS
UNFUNDED GOVERNMENT PENSIONS
Basically, cities or counties promised retirement money decades later so that people would continue to work.
The expense won't show up as an issue until it's too late.
The new expense comes all at once.
Suddenly, the city moves into millions of dollars in debt (some, billions).
They raise taxes to try to slow it.
This causes more people to leave the city.
Taxes go to maximum level to account for loss in citizens.
Debt becomes too much.
Default.
Can't pay pensions.
No insurance company for municipal pensions..
>>70241055
The natives had it before. Why weren't they thriving? The africans had african slaves, why weren't they thriving?
If you wish to make a difference, We need more We and less Me. Push for better roads in your state instead of tax cuts for companies. If every state did this they couldn't hop from one state to the next by exploiting poor education standards and then whining about the local poor education standards. Stop pushing for more war and more oil. Paint your house yourself. Roof your own house. If you vote smart enough to make politicians make real economies they have no choice. Stop scapegoating other people and point the finger at YOU if your voting preferences are for teabaggers and creationist candidates who promise free Jeebus and lower corporate taxes. Stop pretending rich people are your buddies looking out for you. It doesn't require scientists for a functioning society; it requires citizens who concern themselves with their society and not with "niggers and womens and spics oh my".
>>70221270
>WE WUZ COGS N SHIET
>>70241863
The Native Americans WERE thriving....they lived exactly as they wanted. They didn't wanna be slaves to the grind. They enjoyed foraging economies. You are a stupe and a rube
>>70241055
Also, why were black owning regions in both the US and in Brazil the poor regions, in contrast to the whiter regions?
Hint: slavery was a meme that wasn't as valuable as people think.
>>70241778
What's the average IQ of african population?
>>70241863
The Native Americans were thriving, at least until we showed up. They had a different culture, yes, but that does not mean they weren't thriving.
As for the Africans, I'm not particularly informed on the history of the continent prior to the slave trade, so I can't speak to that. What I can say is that colonialism was put into place for quite a long time and that produced societies that were structured for the benefit of their colonial masters and not for their own development. When colonialism "ended," many of those faux-states that were left behind collapsed because they were not natural political bodies in the first place. Today, some of them are starting to really pick up the pieces, but that's a process which takes time.
>>70215567
I see the bubble bursting soon. Of course, this varies by school/degree. Eventually people will realize that college education is a scam and not worth it 95% of the time. The first things to get BTFO will be soft-sciences that are literally impossible to get a job with. And it'll just spiral from there, with colleges needing to make massive cutbacks and such.
Of course, this all assumes the current trajectory. If ( ( ( Bernie Sanders ) ) ) gets his way and we get DUDE FREE COLLEGE LMAO, then the personal cost of college will no longer be tied to the individual. So there will literally be no reason for people NOT to go for a degree, no matter how overall economically pointless/wasteful it is to do. Entitlements are government enforced and don't operate on the free market, so then the bubble would never burst. Things would just get exponentially worse and worse and we'd end up with yet another huge chunk of tax cash going towards yet another entitlement that will be impossible to fix in the future, just like what happened with medicare and social security.
>>70241778
Inherent? No. Whites spent a very long time and a lot of hard work to advance their societies.
>>70242021
There's a difference between thriving and subsistance.
