What would be one's motivation of undergoing training to become something like a truck driver or dental assistant, when you can just flip burgers at Burger King for $15 an hour?
Maybe because you want to drive a truck.
Maybe we'll all have to start considering what we want to do with our lives.
>>70204841
1. The idea that you don't want to flip burgers for a living. It's not just a "muh pride" thing the job kind of sucks and some people hate it.
2. There's only so many burger flipping jobs. Someone has to clean our teeth and deliver the burgers.
3. You'd probably still make more money truck driving and being a dentist/orthodontist, just not double or triple.
$15 an hour is for pussies. They should be campaigning for $15,000 an hour
>>70204841
I have over 15 years experience in fine dining cooking, ill go flip burgers for $15 an hour.
Who ya think will be getting hired? Me or the kids trying to build a career and get experience.
>>70204970
>B-but muh hierarchy!
>>70204970
Get high and jack off
Most people dont have high goals
>>70205190
>not earning 150000 an hour
Raising minimum wage not only increase inflation, but it also gets the most uneducated and unskilled people further away from finding work.
If companies have to pay $15 to burger flippers, they'll start asking their burger flippers to have degrees and previous experience. People without those will be unable to find any job at all.
Socialists are such geniuses.
Deikmurshi badlandoo ote
>>70205491
Yeah it sounds good I guess, your theory. I just don't think it's the truth. You got any evidence to back up your statements?
Vich mekotek clapiblafe eno
>>70205609
I know I sound like carl the cuck here but does it really need an in depth explanation?
A lot of employers will be forced to pay a lot of their employees more, so they will raise prices on things to compensate negating any increase in purchasing power for minimum wage workers.
If you don't think that happens when the minimum wage gets increased you are fucking delusional.
Supporting a $15/hr minimum wage is beyond retarded and shows a complete lack of the ability to think critically.
>>70205609
Why hire four average people to run a McDonalds at 15/hr when you could just hire two highly skilled people to do the same work? You couldn't get those skilled people in the first place at the previous minimum wage, so why continue hiring retards when you're being forced to pay your employees a skilled worker wage anyway?
Higher paying jobs demand a better resume, because they (in general) demand better work results. Skilled people will take an easy job at 15/hr.
communism is the "creationist theory" of economics
the west needs more of this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competition_law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Theodore_Roosevelt#Trust_busting
just keeping up with my old man takes about 12 hours. Unless you want to pay someone to do it. ought to pay me.
>>70206609
Let me ask you a question.
What was the minimum wage in 1950 and what does that equate to in today's dollars?
>>70205609
>pay ~$7
>only applicants I have are people where I kind of wonder if they are even human
>pay $15
>suddenly get decent people applying for the positions
Yeah, I wonder who he will decide to hire.
>>70204841
Motivation has little to do with it, judging from your (lack of) argumentative skills some people (you) can't really pick which job they get.
because 15/hr will basically become the new 7.25/hr in a few years
>>70204841
The real issue is people already stuck on wages below $15 an hour. Many can barely scrape by and need to work a lot more to get by. You can't skill up if you're working ridiculous hours.
A nation with people in poverty when they don't have to be is wasting its potential.
To paraphrase for the yanks, one of the martyrs of the Easter Rising in Ireland:
America without her people is nothing to me, and the man who is bubbling over with love and enthusiasm for ‘America’, and can yet pass unmoved through our streets and witness all the wrong and the suffering, the shame and the degradation wrought upon the people of America, aye, wrought by Americans upon Americans, without burning to end it, is, in my opinion, a fraud and a liar in his heart, no matter how he loves that combination of chemical elements which he is pleased to call ‘America’.
>>70205214
This is one of the myriad of issues that people fail to see in a $15 minimum wage. Tykwan and Shameeka won't be getting hired anywhere, because there will now be highly qualified people applying for those jobs.
It will also force every employer in the country to raise the wages of all their workers by 50-100%. Somebody working the graveyard shift as a warehouse manager for $18/hour isn't going to keep that job when he can go fold clothes at the Gap for a few bucks less and work normal hours with no hard labor.
Every local small business in the country will also go under or lay off half their staff. If you own a small pizza shop with three employees who make $10/hour, it would cost you $30,000 out of pocket every year to keep them.
It's such a shitty idea that it can easily be shot down by doing simple calculations. It's astounding that so many people are for it.
>>70206835
I'm serious, I go to the er every day. So that is four hours.
>>70207003
>>>70206609
>Let me ask you a question.
>
>What was the minimum wage in 1950 and what does that equate to in today's dollars?
Just in case you're too lazy or stupid to look it up...
The minimum wage in 1950 was only
.75c / hr. Today that is equivalent to $7.50/hr. Pretty much the same. In essensce, the minimum wage has not increased since 1950 yet prices have gone up much faster than inflation so the actual BUYING POWER of minimum wage has DECREASED.
In other words, people can not buy as much with minimum wage today as they used to. They are effectively making LESS money than a burger flipper in 1950.
However, corporate profits have skyrocketed and pre-employee productivity has increased exponentially. If wages had kept up with productivity (you know, that thing employees do that makes money) the minimum wage would be closers to $25/hr
>>70207549
when I'm not doing that, I'm trying to keep pills straight, and insulin not overdosed. which he did yesterday.
>>70205491
lets not forget that lots of people are going to lose their jobs in the first place and automation will immediately seem more attractive. The U.S gov did studies to this effect, Gov. Brown in cali said it was bad for the economy just a few days ago.
However, the minimum wage increase does benefit big box stores like walmart as they get a higher skilled workforce to choose from intially and are better able to handle the financial hit then most small businesses and shops which are their competitors.
I wonder why Walmart openly stated they were bringing jobs to america and raising the minimum wage for their workers last year?
>>70204841
The price of everything will rise with the wage. Along with illegal immigrants or willing to work for a fraction of that, the worker will either barely be getting by on $15, all the while complaining the wage should be $20 an hour or unemployed
I wish there was no minimum wage so I could get a job with low wage but easy and no responsibility. I'm very lazy
>>70204841
>>>/biz/
>>>/reddit/
fuck off with your dumb third world wages america
OP, just because you are a neckbeard loser with no ambition doesn't mean everyone else is. Kill yourself.
>>70207959
> why Walmart openly stated they were bringing jobs to america and raising the minimum wage for their workers last year?
Probably to stay on the good side of any Marxist government that they must operate under.
>>70205190
Don't be ridiculous. The only way you could make $15,000 an hour is if you are a Muslim on the dole
>>70207517
This.
We have a minimum wage of 8,50€ per hour in Germany now. During my university years (management and economics), I worked for almost half of that per hour (5€ per hour). And guess what? I was fine, coupled with student loans (which aren't enough to sustain most people, google Bafög). I didn't live in luxury, yes, but that's not the point of working your way through university. I had enough money to pay for rent, utilities, food and the occasional beer. Flipping burgers, sweeping streats, stacking shelves aren't careers, they're economic stepstones you finance your actual learning with.
>>70208293
>Marxist
Morons on /pol/ act as if Marx didn't have a point. Maybe his economics weren't the best, but his political philosophy was right on point. We could use a little more Marx in our lives.
>>70207716
And if minimum wage was closer to 25 dollars an hour there'd be more unemployment and more expensive products.
Remember; a lot of our issues are due to illegal immigration. Why would I suddenly payraise my 8.25 dollars an hour employee to 25 dollars an hour when I can just hire five illegal mexicans for 5 dollars an hour.
Liberals are desperate to get some sort of inflation going in the economy so the Fed can begin to normalize rates. "Not had a pay raise in 10 years". Yeah, well not had a productivity increase in 15.
Well, this will do it. They will get their raise without productivity, and we will get inflation. Yay!
>>70207517
>If you own a small pizza shop with three employees who make $10/hour, it would cost you $30,000 out of pocket every year to keep them.
>not raising the price of your pizzas to offset the new expenses
>not realizing the general public can afford more expensive pizzas because they now earn more
>not realizing that ultimately, the economy will adjust and standards of living will remain basically the same
Because its humiliating and unrewarding past the age of 18. Theres some serious fucking problems with people if they're willing to flip burgers for life.
>>70208549
>Yeah, well not had a productivity increase in 15.
bull facking shit.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-productivity-increases-at-3-3-pace-in-second-quarter-1441197343
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/prod2.pdf
>>70208639
so what's the point if everything just goes up?
>>70208037
Once again, this is all unsubstantiated opinion. It's the kind of stuff that's constantly tossed around here, and never questioned because it sounds like something you believe. I still don't think it's the truth. I think there is enough for everyone.
>>70208549
You are a literal retard.
How many burgers do you think we're getting flipped per McDonald's back in 1950 as compared to today?
Per-employee productivity has increased exponentially as evidenced by record sales and profits while operating costs have stayed low and unemployment increased.
>>70204841
OP you are right. I am a truck driver. I have used this very point against $15/hour supporters I talk to. At $15/hour 35 hours a week 50 weeks a year it adds up to a few thousand less than I make in a year. I work in average 60+hours a week and am home 2 nights a week. If I could make about the same income working 2/3 the hours and sleeping in my own bed every night at a job that's much less stressful I would and I imagine many other drivers would. Which will only make the driver shortage worse.
>We need to pay everyone less! We need to be paying people $1 an hour otherwise we get inflation and people will lose their jobs! You guys are idiots!
Gee, I wonder why could be behind this?
>>70208864
If you're willing to flip burgers past age 30 then by all means go ahead. But you won't, because you're not. Now fuck off, retard.
>>70204841
A desire to make more than $15/hour?
>>70208932
those dirty capitalists
>>70208973'
>those dirty capitalists
sure, sure.
/pol/ has been working for the jew this whole time. Fucking idiots never realized it. Sad!
>>70208761
There is no real point. It's a meaningless gesture politicians are using to sow civil unrest, and secure votes.
Probably, somebody, at some higher level, will figure out a way to get rich from it; but this won't help the average worker.
>>70208487
I feel like a bigger contributing factor is how success in business is measured.
For instance, if you run a business that creates $1000000 profit per year every year then you are considered a failure.
In today's business world you are only a success if you show increasing profits year after year after year...there is NEVER a point at which you can say "as long as we keep making this much we're good" because the first time you don't increase your annual profit investors will sell your stock faster than a pimp sells pussy.
Pedro and co will gladly work under the table for $7/h while a token chump on payroll is given a the raise. What, are you guys rayciss?
>>70208948
If $15/an hour is the min wage there are many more things I could do other than flip burgers.
>>70204841
You guys don't honestly think that's a lot of money do you?
>>70208948
Are you serious? He just outlined why he would be willing to switch jobs, and you tell him he's not willing to switch jobs.
What a shit post, please go away.
>>70209113
Another issue is while productivity is going up that doesn't necessarily need to mean that wages have to go up. Thanks to advances in technology tons of stuff that wouldn't have even been available to you back in 1950 is now available on the same kind of pay unemployed people can get from the government.
Even poor people have decent cars and cellphones now, with plenty of food.
>>70208948
Burger flipper is not the only minimum wage job you cum guzzling retard
>Goldberg Schlomostein has poor people fighting for lower wages.
>I've been NEET for the past eight years and and make more than people with a full time job.
Problem sirs?
>>70208864
If drivers quit, trucking companies will be more desperate for qualified drivers, and will be forced to offer higher salaries.
You still have to deal with customers. If $15 becomes the minimum I'm becoming a janitor
>>70209202
>Saying you'll do something and actually doing it are the same thing!
Piss off Slovenia, you clearly don't realize how the real world works. Anon can SAY he'll do whatever he wants. That doesn't mean he'd actually do it. Burger flipping is thankless work that gets no respect, and anyone over the age of 30 would take anything else over it if they could.
>>70204841
over here the MW is $17.29 per hour before tax now why do people say "Look as Aus, they have a min wage and they are doing fine"
Is it that they dont take into account how different our economy is to their own?
>>70208864
Yeah if only there was some way that I could not have to put up with the constant shit being shoveled at me, my whole life, then I probably wouldn't put up with it.
Too bad there ain't. MORE SHIT! MORE SHIT!
>>70209390
>Is it that they dont take into account how different our economy is to their own?
That's right, ausbros. Those stupid goys need to just accept that their economy is different! That's why they can't have a decent standard of living. Only the Australians and the Europeans, but not Americans, they must continue to work for pennies because "their economy demands it"
heh heh heh
>>70204841
>motivation
>to become a truck driver
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBU712__R_c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWry6_S_i4E
You may have a longer career as an Uber driver.
>>70208639
Presumably, if people are in such dire need of a $15 minimum wage, they won't be spending the extra money they earn on $20 pizzas and $7 Big Macs.
It's also not as simple as 'just raise the prices on everything'. People will pay $7 for a sub at a local pizza shop because it's a much better option than Subway for a couple bucks extra. If the price of a sub at the locally owned place goes up to $10 or $12, nobody is going to eat there anymore, because they can go get a sub at the mega corporation for half the price.
I worked at a small pizza shop in high school, and it was hard for them to stay afloat while paying us $8. I ended up quitting when I graduated though, because WORKING AT A SUB SHOP ISN'T A FUCKING CAREER.
>>70204841
It used to be that a man could pump gas his entire life and still be able to attain common goals such as home ownership and the occasional vacation.
You need to stop thinking of $15 dollars an hour as a lot of money. Especially for folks that have to live and work in cities with insane real estate values.
I live in Vancouver and I am tied to the coast with my career. My condo is three bedrooms and half a million dollars. I'm fortunate enough to be able to buy a million dollar home, if I have to, in four hours.
The vast majority of people will not make enough to make ends meet here, let alone prosper.
This is a side dish of globalism and is only going to get worse.
>>70208639
>not realizing the general public can afford more expensive pizzas because they now earn more
>implying i won't still eat cheap microwaveable frozen food
I'm not gonna start buying expensive shit if i make $15/hour. I'll just be able to pay the rent on my studio apartment as well as my health insurance & bills without having an anxiety attack. My standard of living will remain unchanged.
>>70209685
>Presumably, if people are in such dire need of a $15 minimum wage, they won't be spending the extra money they earn on $20 pizzas and $7 Big Macs.
You've summed up the point: people AREN'T in dire need of $15/hr. Minimum-wage workers aren't starving or living on the streets. They spend their money on plenty of dumb, unnecessary bullshit just like all Americans ($5 Starbucks drinks, smart phones, jewelry, expensive clothes and shoes).
The simple truth is that they want to be able to buy MORE dumb bullshit. Or worse, some of them unrealistically believe they are entitled to raise a family in exchange for unskilled labor that even a child could do. They want maximum benefits for minimum efforts.
>>70210067
So move out of the city, Leaf.
>>70209685
Don't forget this will encourage business to hire Illegals who will work for much less encouraging MORE illegal immigration
>>70204841
Transportation is just as easily automated as food preparation, anon.
Anyway, the problem isn't the minimum wage, it's just that there aren't enough jobs to give every unskilled person three so they can make bills. Donald Trump wants to reverse globalization and bring jobs back to the US, and he's the only candidate in the field who recognizes the problem: the reason we're always broke is because we constantly ship our high-profit wealth generating unskilled manufacturing and low skill technical jobs overseas. The reason China is still a functional economy with a slave-tier minimum wage is because everyone who wants a job can work.
>>70207003
In British Columbia, it's should be $12.65.
>>70204841
>What would be one's motivation of undergoing training to become something like a truck driver or dental assistant, when you can just flip burgers at Burger King for $15 an hour?
The extra pay your prospective employer would offer to motivate you.
>>70209320
They are desperate now and yet there is still a shortage. What a lot of companies do is offer free training and license to get new people in the industry. Many of those people don't make it through training and of those that do a large portion are out in their first year. Either because they are bad at the job, crash into shit or don't like the lifestyle. If companies wanted quality drivers they could get them now. But they're not because they don't want them. It's a profit game. Companies are being subsidized by the government for everyone they hire. And if they can make more money paying people less they will. Also a lot of people driving now are eastern yuro trash and other shit tier foreigners who will work for peanuts and send money home.
>>70210176
No...they want the SAME buying power that minimum wage used to have. People 50 years ago doing the same unskilled labor (bagging groceries, flipping burgers, washing cars, etc...) had MORE buying power. Thier minimum wage had more actual value.
Minimum wage workers today don't want more they want the SAME.
>>70210176
>When jobs don’t pay enough, workers turn to public assistance in order to meet their basic needs. These programs provide vital support to millions of working families whose employers pay less than a liveable wage.
Many, many people on public assistance are working people who don't get paid enough to make ends meet.
Try again.
http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/the-high-public-cost-of-low-wages/
>>70209270
>>70210562
If you want the same value then tell the fed and the government to stop printing money and causing inflation.
>>70209270
How do I become NEET
>>70210176
>They spend their money on plenty of dumb, unnecessary bullshit just like all Americans ($5 Starbucks drinks, smart phones, jewelry, expensive clothes and shoes).
Nope. I buy $20 sneakers from Sears, nothing name brand, definitely no jewelry, cheap Walmart clothing, and I've never been to Starbucks in my life. I can't afford coffee, tea is 10x cheaper.
>believe they are entitled to raise a family
That's correct, the normies do, but the 26 year old virgins like me just need more money just to survive.
>>70204841
Well because then being a truck driver is going to pay $27 and bread is going to cost 15 times more.
>>70211036
>and bread is going to cost 15 times more.
nice meme
>>70211036
Don't listen to that dumbass. You won't be a truck driver in 10 years unless you're a robot.
>>70210180
I don't actually live in Vancouver, but the suburb of Coquitlam. The entire region is densely packed and housing prices get worse the further west you go.
I'm capable of buying a million dollar home, but I'll probably take my family to Maple Ridge... Most of the working poor can't handle it, because the commute for carless plebs could take hours on a bad day.
The biggest problem with the minimum wage is predatory real estate speculation. The cost of housing eats up more than two thirds of the median wage here.
I don't have a problem, combined income in my household is $160k... But that doesn't go as far as it should because $560 a week goes to the mortgage.
I'm a longshoreman, so I have to stay near the city for work. I can't just leave, not that I'm complaining though.
>>70211090
I am not a robot.()
>>70204841
don't worry, that wont happen cause rising minimum wage doesn't actually do anything.
when its all said and done, inflation will go up and that 15 dollars then will be the same as 10 dollars now.
but hey at least we get to work with bigger numbers
oh and lets not forget all the money we've been saving in the bank all these years is also worth less
>>70211088
>handing out free money won't result in inflation
Nice meme.
15 might be overboard yes, in reality it would be more like 7 times more.
>>70204841
why not $16 an hour what is wrong with you people
>>70205146
Dentist would be more than triple.
>>70210911
>26 year old virgins like me just need more money just to survive
When's the last time you applied for a better job than the one you (presumably) have now?
>>70204841
work harder and better. easy.
>>70211120
Hey $560/month ain't bad. It's hard to find a place to rent for less around here and I don't live around a big city or anything.
>>70204841
$15 is nothing, even adjusted for cost of living.
I'll be happy with a $12 or $15 minimum wage.
$8.10/hr here in Ohio is kinda BS. I can pay for my own hourly wage within 2 minutes of working. Employers are only saying they can't afford a minimum wage increase because they designed their businesses around the idea that cheap slave labor will be there forever.
These businesses are universally awful, never provide further advancement, and are barely meeting health standards all the time. They are the corporate franchises that allow zero creativity. They are the shitty mom and pops that everyone for some reason idolizes. They are the places that will fire you just to hire somebody else that wants to get paid minimum.
Every single business that can't afford a $15 minimum wage RIGHT NOW is already gone. They just haven't realized it yet.
The reason is simple :
If $7/hr cost increase on a few employees is enough to kill your business, then ANYTHING was going to destroy it the millisecond an unexpected cost happens and you deserve it.
>>70208761
there is none
>>70211120
Sorry I read that wrong
High school teacher here.
You'd better believe if 15 buck minimum wage returns, I'll go back to working at a convenience store.
>>70204970
Driving a truck is a fucking terrible job and absolutely nobody who has done it more than a day enjoys it. I would rather flip burgers for my entire career than be a truck driver ever again.
>>70208639
This
Prices go up and inflation increases. Suddenly that 15 an hour becomes poverty pay again. Cycle repeats itself. Rich are unnaffected.
>>70211197
>It's true because I said so
Show me the research or piss off.
>>70208932
your dumb
>Drop Min Wage down to something like $5 an hour
>Shit loads of young people can work, production increases, young people have more money to spend on things, as well as getting lots of experience
>Would probably still be a lot more money than what 16-18 years old who weren't working had
>Only people who lose are the degenerate single mothers with ten kids
What's so hard to understand
>>70211443
Have fun manning the front counter with Achmed and getting robbed at gunpoint by a drug addict. Retard.
>>70207517
It's not astounding at all, we live in an era where adults think like children and use the same logic.
Hedonism is the death of mankind. It dulls the mind and makes men act like women. Hedonistic values allow degeneracy to breed and our bodies to get fat. Society is a failure with a dead end.
>>70211548
Productivity doesn't need to increase. It's been increasing for decades. WAGES need to increase.
Fuck this board is full of corporate shills.
>>70210911
We are entitled to raise a family. Only cuckolds that want to destroy western civilization and wipe out the white race feel differently.
>>70204970
That doesn't work without sufficient automation, which first of all isn't going to happen within the next hundred years and more importantly is a scary system because you rely on the automation way too much.
>>70211377
I said $560 per week, bro. It's not killing me, but this was the cheapest condo in the neighborhood that was large enough for my family.
The other option was a block away and it cost $792,000.
>>70210562
prove it show m the rate of inflation next to the minimum wage rate over time
>>70210562
You're throwing around the term "buying power" as if there were no major differences between the 1950's economy and the 2010's economy. The technological advancements alone give a modern person far more "buying power" than someone 65 years ago ever had.
But still, you're talking out your ass. For one thing, 1950's dudes who bagged groceries weren't living in comfortable houses with white picket-fences. They lived in apartments, like their modern-day counterparts. Labor, skilled and unskilled, was more in demand because the population was far smaller, but minimum-wage workers couldn't afford middle-class lifestyles like you seem to think they did. Factory workers got higher salaries because they stayed with the company for 40 years and received gradual raises. Nobody bussed tables and bought a home with their earnings.
>>70205269
>Japan
>Getting high
Where to find weed in Japan? I thought it was heavily frowned upon and impossible to find according to all of my online friends from there.
>>70209326
>Burger flipping is thankless work that gets no respect
as opposed to all the thanks and respect that truckers get amirite?
>>70211931
I know for a fact that the Yakuza has a high amount of weed trade going on and that it sells really well amongst delinquent youth there.
They have a lot of cocaine too.
>>70212061
Now I just need to find a Japanese woman to harbor me long enough for me to get a 4 year degree so I can get a work visa and become a pot smoking english teacher.
>>70211503
>Show me the research or piss off.
I won't bother to educate you on basics of economy.
Why don't you ask your highschool teacher why won't the government just print out billions of dollars and hand them all out to the people? Everyone would be rich and all would be well! Sunshine and fucking rainbows everywhere!
>>70212178
>basics of economy.
Oh, so you mean you took an ECON101 class one time and think that is more important than actual research into the impact of public policy on an economy.
Fuck off, kiddo. The real world doesn't care about your ECON101 class.
>>70212252
The real world doesn't operate on the idea that everything comes from the horn of plenty.
Someone has to pay for the wage increase, and you can bet your ass it's not going to be the corporations.
$15/hr is for plebs, if they had any real balls, they'd insist on a $1000/hr. Then nobody would be poor anymore and the world would be a wonderful worker's paradise!
Nothing could possibly go wrong, pic related.
>>70212435
Nice meme. Now fuck off, you don't have a leg to stand on.
>>70212556
So far you are the only one shitposting with /v/ buzzwords pushing for ideas that just don't work in real life.
Trust me, I come from a post-communist country, I know myself that communism doesn't fucking work.
>>70211804
It's called Google you fucking millennial cuck.
Average inflation is 3.55%
Wow, so much BUYING POWER! Zimbabweans must all live like KINGS!
>>70212631
>pushing for ideas that just don't work in real life.
You have YET to demonstrate this with actual empirical evidence. You seem to think that your ECON101-tier understanding of economics matters. It doesn't. What matters is research and evidence, not memes.
If you have nothing to contribute to this discussion, then fuck off.
>>70211901
False.
My grandfather was a coal miner in West Virginia. He made less than $1 an hour yet managed to own a home as well as support a wife and 3 kids.
So, keep being a good little cuck goy believing that even though productivity and profits have gone up 100's of percents the last few decades base pay should stay the same.
>>70212689
This guy thinks one of our current candidates is a communist. There is no hope for him.
>le bernie bird
Basically instead of being 99% shill for corporations like Hillary, Bernie is just an 85% shill. (By words only, not action.)
>>70208932
It's almost like the market determines the value of labor or something...
>>70211443
I was a cashier and I'll confirm that the job is based.
>>70211488
You increase it and then tack raises to the cost of living.
>>70211574
I did the job for five years and only got robbed once. Otherwise it was a GOAT job.
>>70211673
More like it scares people because they'd have to find some other means to justify their existence than making Mr Sheklesburk money.
>>70207716
Why don't you start a corporation?
Gee, that would be tough though wouldn't it anon? You'd have to be smart enough to come up with a good or service that was valuable to the public. You'd have to make a business plan for investors. You'd have to run that business and keep it out of debt, while paying interest to your investors.
If only there were some way you could get rewarded for doing all of this....
>>70204841
>What would be one's motivation of undergoing training to become something like a truck driver or dental assistant, when you can just flip burgers at Burger King for $15 an hour?
Let's see
>because flipping burgers is awful, degrading work compared to being a dental assistant
>Because dental assistants get more than the minimun wage
>>70205190
Kek thank you based Aussie
>>70204841
The increase in the cost of living that comes with the retarded wage shift. All your doing is tacking of a few extra dollars to both wages and goods. Literally nothing will change besides a superficial price raise.
>>70213646
The corporate system is effective, but it's not the most ethical. We are all aware that it forces otherwise good people to do terrible things.
>>70205190
I love Aussies.
>>70209113
>economy in a recession
>company maintains profits
Yeah, maybe in an economic boom companies are expected to increase revenue, but that's not always the case...
>>70210586
>We define working families as those that have at least one family member who works 27 or more weeks per year and 10 or more hours per week
Well there's your problem right there...
You just answered your own question, $15 an hour.
For what jobs would this $15 law be applied? Extreme situation: 12 year old kid restocks shelves in a local supermarket. Does he get $15 per hour?
>>70211419
Once again, what about the business that pay higher wages in order to get more qualified employees?
They're already paying double the minimum wage which supplies them with decent employees. Clearly they haven't decided to be cheap skates and just hire migrants.
Their employees went through hard training to get these jobs.
Oh shit. Billy doesn't want to be a pipe fitter and welder anymore? John won't be a car mechanic? Steve won't manage his mom and pop store?
You mean now he can get the same pay for just sitting around and making coffee? Maybe mopping a floor somewhere?
Wow that would be so much easier, they all think. And I might be able to get a job closer to home, so I don't have to travel to my "high paying" job that I trained so hard for.
We should all just quit!
Don't Worry guys, only businesses that pay minimum wage will be affected by a pay increase....
>>70210899
Sit in the Australian sun all day every day for a month until your skin looks like old boot leather.
Then smuggle yourself into a shipping container that is bound for any European country, it doesn't matter what one. I wouldn't recommend trying to sail there like other migrants due to the significantly greater distance you have to travel and the fact your waters are filled with countless species of sea life that wish to murder you.
Once you get to your new location proceed to strike up a conversation with the nearest law enforcer.
By virtue of being descended from violent criminals and other assorted refuse of my country, nobody will be able to understand a single word you say and will assume you are talking in sand people tongue.
If they do seem suspicious however feel free to rape a few of the local women, this should clear any doubts from their mind about your authenticity.
Success! As a recognized refugee you now get to live a lavish lifestyle funded for by taxpayers. If you are still short of cash feel free to use the magic word of racism for diplomatic immunity while mugging locals for their belongings or while making use of the many free to use prostitutes in these countries (any woman that cannot outrun you).
i could quit my government job and go to america and make a living flipping burgers
>>70208375
GET OFF MY BOARD FUCKING COMMUNIST ASSHOLE MARXIST SHILL REEEEE
>>70210124
Why don't you just get a proper job that doesn't pay you minimum wage?
>>70209113
>entering the stock market instead of running a family business or LTD
Your own fault, slow and steady wins the race.
Can children vote for their allowance to increase?
Why should we let neets vote for their allowance to increase?
>>70214124
It's called minimum wage. It's the minimum wage your employer has to pay you. This effects everyone, a 15yo kid stacking boxes at Walmart too.
minimum wage is supposed to be minimal skill thus lower pay, not making a living
>>70204841
because within 2 years of widespread $15 an hour, inflation will catch up and make that same $15 buy what $8 buys today
>>70214124
Yes, $15 would be the minimum hourly rate for pretty much every job in the country.
I bagged groceries for $6.25/hour when I was 14. Now we'll have 14 year olds making $15/hour. 8th graders will be making a $30,000 per year wage. Let that sink in.
What's the reason for $15/hr? Is that what it takes to live, or is that what it takes to live plus buy an iphone? Did they just make this number up?
>>70214838
Sounds like bullshit then. I get what they are trying to do for people who have to make a living out of their shitty jobs, but no way in hell they're going to pay 60 dollars a day to kids.
>>70207517
This. $15 an hour, I'm quitting my job as an auto tech with +12 years exp to go put boxes on shelves in a store, inside with heat in the winter and ac in the summer. Also I'd qualify for all the benefits like food stamps and shit the niggers get.
>>70215203
Then they don't hire kids. Hire unemployed adults instead.
Kids don't need jobs if adults are still going hungry.
>>70215325
Nah man, your too white, oppressors dony get gibmez, remember? Bernie said white people cant be poor. besides anon, cost of living will just rise to match the wage increase, so you'll still be better of in your skilled position.
>>70214370
Yes, we are that based.
That being said, stay the fuck away you fucking sandnigger cunt. We're full.
>>70204841
>tfw working as waiter and making ~20$/hour + ~250$ in tips every month.
>>70215522
burger plz, i have a US passport, im from california,
>>70215203
>but no way in hell they're going to pay 60 dollars a day to kids.
>mfw my friend works at a burger place while in college
>mfw they refuse to hire anyone under 18
>mfw people still use the "B-B-BUT I DUN WANNA GIB MONEY TO KIDS" meme
>>70204841
Combination of automation and inflation driving large portions of the unskilled workforce into unemployment while ensuring those still employed don't enjoy full benefit of the increase. Basically Truck Drivers and other skilled workers will still be proportionally paid more than unskilled workers, most unskilled workers will have their jobs replaced by machines and those who remain will be making little more in terms of true value than those today courtesy of inflationary effects driving prices up.
>>70213028
Your a good goy if you're working for sheckleburg in the first place because you are so skillless you can only do things the qualifications for which are "be a human or subhuman"
>>70215186
Who knows, it won't change shit, things will just become more expensive and it will all just even out to what it was before, ad then people will continue to cry about not making enough. This is honestly the smallest band aid I have ever seen. Completely wrong solution to a much larger problem.
>>70215522
>yfw I'm arab and already living in america
>>70215655
Hey I really don't care honestly. It's just that the current mentality is "give jobs to children so they get obsession and make their own many" which will get utterly steamrolled.
>>70216072
>obsession
I meant to write experience, retard Freudian slip on my part, fuck me.
>>70213028
"My own second hand experience is indicative of the entire population during that time period!"
Coal mining is not table bussing, bud.
Anyone with a computer has more buying power than their counterpart in the 50s.
>>70205190
FIFTEEN
BILLION
BUCKS
AN
HOUR
https://youtu.be/TfOAHbU2ro0
>>70204841
Working fast food kills the soul.
We could easily be replaced by machines, which I'm sure will happen if minimum wage goes up. I don't expect the retards who make a """" career """" out of fast food (like the ones you see protesting and asking for the $15) to understand, which is why they work there.
Not my fault they didn't have ambitions. I'm 18, so of course this is only temporary. These tards are there forever.
t. McDonalds Cashier who can say firsthand that I don't deserve $15 for the shit I do.
>>70215786
>mfw
>>70216158
>horrors of slavery
gets me everytime
>mfw actually work in fastfood
>mfw after 10 years finally 15 an hour
>tfw min wage goes up and my wages don't
>>70216158
Tell me.. how is this strawman of social, aka
"everyone can have free money" any different from the lie told by capitalist that "everyone can be rich if you just apply yourself"
>>70216329
>Staying in fast food for 10 years
Nobody to blame but yourself m8. Get some ambition.
>>70204970
Truck driver in Switzerland = 5k / month starting
>>70216579
I have 4 jobs
not everyone is a lazy fuck
don't be closeminded
>>70206609
Was working in a management position in a restaurant when BCs minimum went from $8-$10.50
>huge stress
>HAD to let go of our part time workers and over work our full time people.
$15 hr is too high, sorry about it.
If it happens be prepared for robots to take the jobs. Only managers and long standing employees will be the only ones working and they'll have to work the load of 2-3 people.
Best advice, if this happens employer's will offer salary positions. Don't take them.
(80hr weeks for $30,000 yr)
>>70216674
>stay in fast food for 10 years
>complain about it
pick one.
>>70216674
"nah bruh i have 4 jobs and literally no life, get on my level"
>>70216805
>not understanding that you have to take what you can get sometimes
I forgot everyone on this site is a fake-neet with their parents paying the college tution
>>70216805
>>70216805
>make fun of people for not working
>make fun of people for working
>>70216828
I do tho and you sound like hating ass bitch
No reason to lie to you fuckers, bills still have to get paid
>>70212673
Probably only enough to buy a gallon of milk in that pic desu
>>70217027
The important thing is to find an excuse to feel superior to everyone, so you can go kill them all without guilt when your slavemasters offer you the recognition you deserve for killing the people they tell you to kill.
>>70216721
Automation is coming no matter what. If you're going to be replaced at 15 an hour, you will be replaced at 7.50 an hour.
>>70218114
Don't tell /pol/ that, they seriously believe that businesses would rather pay humans $7.50 an hour than machines $0.00 an hour. Businesses are fine paying that $7.50 forever for no reason, it's only when you increase the worker's wage's beyond that they suddenly would rather not pay more than they need to.
>>70216721 this so much this
I've worked in hotel business for 15 years. The average person I hired started 9-$12 an hour. Actually there are computers that can do this job and they are already there. People just dont like them so much; kind of like the self check out. I happened to work at a more upscale chain but there is always one self service computer there lurking. It doesn't get much use except for when the people are busy. However I am hiring people with university degrees who speak multiple languages for $9-12 an hour. So you bet your ass when minimum wage goes to $15 its just going to be computers and a manager who works unlimited amount of hours a week for $35K.
>>70204841
Looks like hamburgers are a priority.
Also how do you let niggers touch your food ?
>>70221698
Kek we Burgers love them so much everyone making them deserves to make $15 an hour
