Memes aside. What's /pol/ opinion on facism. Does it work?
better than democracy
>>70204827
No. It's literally oppertunism the Ideology; it's purely based around totalitarian and economic control of an oligarch combined with collectivism; it has the potential to be decent with a benevolent dictator but it's all down hill from there.
That being said "Fascism" is quite a broad ideology it encompasses a lot of shit.
>>70204827
>>70204827
not really eventually the eople will get sick of being forced to do things thy have no say in and will want change, at that point the dictator must either do what the people want which would praticly be democracy or force the people down with violence risking a civil war.
It doesn't matter if its good or not.
Only thing that matters is if the ideology is compatible with your country, culture and benefits it.
Once people hear fascism , they imagine some wild dystopia where everyone gets murdered for going outside. That's simply not true and people were indoctrinated to believe in this shit.
See, no matter how educated or intelligent you are, you can still get heavily indoctrinated if the media and people keep repeating the same shot they're fed, and the thing is, most people are stupid that deny to admit they're wrong. (This is another argument thought)
Back to the point. If democratic principles help your country, then keep it. If fascism helps your country, then let it be.
Take the Greek junta for example, people didn't give a shit other than some students motivated by the CIA to cause an uprising. The economy skyrocketed, we got rid of the communist threat and people were ok with it.
But now, well, guess what. Everyone thinks that you got shot for going outside because of curfews and whatnot.
In the end, its just a huge anecdote that either benefits the culture and values of the people. Because either way, in the long run, it just ends up on the on the people, that's how the world works. Without foreign interference people won't get indoctrinated due to some other country's diplomatic agenda. And if they don't like it, they'll revolt like they always do.
it's immoral, whether it works or not is irrelevant.
>>70204827
Only insecure beta cowards use the state to enforce their moral viewpoints.
>>70206662
My Great-Grandma got threatened with death penalty for saying she thinks the war is lost in April 45 after her fucking house was bombed. Fascists are cowards
>>70204827
I'd be glad to live in a fascist society, and yes, even outside of a position of power. Guess I value safety and economic success higher than freedom (inb4 Ameriguns eat me alive like I was a fucking hotdog), although fascism probably wouldn't on my personal freedoms so much since I am neither a filthy fucking faggot nor a communist traitor kike. Would love to have 'love it or leave it' kind of stance on emigration, and a 'fuck of, we're making this nation great again' stance on immigration.
>>70204827
Hard to say, because of the correlation with Hitler, everyone ever manipulates the definition for their own personal, political vengeance.
Even Wikipedia is a mess of conflicting ideologies and definitions.
>>70207228
*wouldn't infringe on my personal freedoms
ffs, I need more coffee.
It's a defensive and counter idealogy, to the decay and decadence caused by the left.
>>70207228
>Guess I value safety and economic success higher than freedom
Case and point. Get some skills if you want economic success you passive failure
Obviously not. Both liberalism and Marxism at least have some political theory and dozens of famous thinkers to back them up, Nazism is just a childish middle-class reaction that arises whenever their state's borders or ethnic makeup doesn't fit their vision of what should be. Extreme casualties will always ensue.
>>70207770
I run a temp agency, my skill is making money off of other people's skills. I'm talking about nationwide economic success, and you can't tell me we're a successful nation when a major news headline yesterday that our industrial decline wasn't as bad as expected. Still, you are right sort of - I don't produce anything, but hey, someone's gotta do the selling, right?
>inb4 Juden sind in userem Ort nicht erwünscht
>>70207228
>wouldn't infringe on my personal freedoms
To be hyonest I'm sure most people think this and then end up in front of a peoples court for a minor offence.
>Guess I value safety and economic success
In Germany's case [Don't even get me started on the economic distaters of Spain and Italy] all the economic success can directly be drawn from the reforms instituted by Gustav Stresemann; the Nazi's were shite at economics and just fudged statistics, in real terms wages and living standards dropped.
>>70207986
Fascism isn't an economic policy
>>70204827
It doesn't work in the long term, a state simply can't manage things effectively and the totalitarian aspect will stifle innovation.
I admire it as a philosophy and a way of living though, just not as a political ideology.
>>70204827
It works since it's flexible and pragmatic.
>>70208147
True, but it does imply changes to economic policy. Forgive and correct me if I mix things up with national socialism or nationalism right now, but as far as I know, fascism means a cult of personality, a military leadership and an 'our nation first' stance on foreign and domestic politics, so naturally domestic production would be focused upon. Again, correct me if I'm wrong.
>>70207781
Wrong, really. The third position is anti-bourgeoise.
>>70206767
>immoral
How? It's basically applied biology.
>>70208528
Fascism is a state regulating production and enterprise to benefit the nation, it's a Corporate/Capitalist State basically... All in the name of the nation and it's people, of course.
>>70208838
Well, as long as nation also means race here, this is fine with me, to be honest.
>>70208706
so is rape.
>>70208838
That's what I like about fascism, it puts the people first, doesn't cling to retarded abstracts at their expense. Capitalism works - so use it, but step in when it starts to harm the people.
>>70204827
Pure Fascism is pretty filth, I much prefer something like the early days of National Socialism. There has to be a focus on the national culture and people, not just Il Duce at the top making every call.
>>70207477
B
>>70208965
That's getting into National Socialist territory, Fascism is more of a strange metaphysical ideology more focused on idealism of a nation rather than idealism of an ethnicity. It's kind of hard to tell them apart though.
>>70209072
I agree, it seems like a great idea, but the problem is that it's not really Capitalist. People don't own the means of production, the state does, it just lends it to the people, so it has a problem where it's up to a bureaucracy to regulate every single aspect. Easily corruptible and mismanaged. I also don't like the idea of a supreme ruler.
But it does have enterprise at least, so unlike the USSR which completely relied on the state to do everything, a Fascist nation is generally able to distribute resources well among the populace.
Pic related is the best way.
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>>70209404
>>70209483
The more you learn... welp, I guess I have to 'identify' (I hate that word) as NatSoc now. Thank you for opening my eyes. This shit isn't taught anywhere in Germany.
>>70209485
A
>>70209518
>>70209592
>This shit isn't taught anywhere in Germany
Consider books
>>70209518
>>70209648
>>70209673
Hitler wasn't a fascist though...
>>70209404
>>70209673
>>70209648
>You
>Aryan
You admitted you're some kind of gypsy bastard child a while ago. Cease your autism at once, I guarantee my skin is lighter than yours.
>>70209849
>>70209849
>>70209840
>>70209799
>>70209953
>>70204827
It had a negative connotation so it had to go for the NuRight.
pol redefined all negative words to mean librul. they think obama is a tyrant and totalitarian because he said baby trey trey has skin like him.
>>70209953
how many pics do you make a day?
>>70209928
>>70209953
>>70209987
You two should go back to redit
>>70209953
post the eternal mr bean
his creepy smile is the only thing that is funny about yuro politics
>>70207079
t. ahmed abdullah muhammed
>>70209928
Top fucking kek.
>>70209953
Reminder that all this butthurt is coming from you and you alone, and now it is GERMANS who are ruining Europe. The Anglosphere has at least some resistance left in it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGrxHO-B2TY&nohtml5=
Also your beady boogeyman was a smarter and better man than you'll ever be, Roachspawn.
Yes.
>>70210127
>>70210150
>>70210127
>>70210091
1 or 2
>>70209987
Anglo BLOOD
>>70210161
>Sweden
>Calling another nation Muslim.
>>70210091
not enough
>>70210277
>>70208706
still salty about sudentenland probably desu
>>70210279
>England
>Calling another nation Muslim.
>>70204827
I'm not a big fan. Dictators, no tolerance for dissent or free speech, lefty economics, idolisation of the state and t he leader. None of it appeals to me at all.
>>70204827
From what I hear, if you didn't salute Hitler while he walked by, his henchmen would get after you. I don't think that's right and I don't think you should be able to suppress information from people and restrict their speech. I would prefer being a Nazi than a communist obviously, but I still think they're both bad. I would prefer a libertarian type government with an influence on nationalism and patriotism in the culture. No welfare/social benefits so people don't get weak. Minimal government
Democracy lead to Afd being elected in Germany
>>70210449
>UK flag
>Necessarily English
Typical Swedish lack of education
>>70210309
New one
>>70210449
>Not England
>97% White
Nice try Ahmed
>>70210524
That first sentence is bullshit
>>70204827
No and it's anti freedom so it's anti American. Reactionary faggots think the grass is greener on the other side, or edgy cunts who never lived through real atrocities, and straight up retards fill the ranks of pro fascists...some I assume are good people.
Hitler was an asshole. He plunged Europe into war. He instigated it. He genocided people (6gorillion, 4 gorillion it doesn't matter). He was addicted to drugs and he killed himself.
>>70210571
>>70210449
> Thinks UK flag means english
That socialist education is really working wonders for your knowledge of geography
>>70210643
My mom's first husband's parents were from Nazi Germany and told her that. They could've been lying to pretend they didn't support Hitler, but apparently they were very adamant about that part.
>>70210648
>>70210777
Yeah idk about that one man. Sure the Nazis would fuck your shit up if you were a dissenter, but to imply that he had Kim-Jong levels of delusional forced support is wrong.
They may have witnessed one example that burned into their minds; perhaps they saw a known protestor/dissident practicing open defiance at a rally and took him away. Nazis were very conscious of their image so that's more likely than simply a blanket rule which is everybody who doesn't heil gets rekt.
>>70210782
>>70211115
Yeah, there's tons of videos and images of Germans absolutely adoring Hitler, so I've always been suspicious of that.
Another interesting thing they said was that sometimes they'd rarely get food towards the end of the war, and would have to eat rats. This supports the theory of starvation being a leading cause of death in the concentration camps.
If you could barely even feed your own people, how would you be able to feed prisoners of war?
>>70210468
The only thing I like about it is that it encourages national pride. Pride in the state is pure cuckoldry, but pride in the nation is absolutely vital in today's world. See Germany for what happens when nationalism atrophies.
>>70211303
That one sounds a lot more true. Allied bombing of supply lines was a very, very nasty tactic and it worked on multiple levels.
>>70211303
interesting read here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmed_Enemy_Forces
>Because of the logistical impossibility of feeding millions of surrendered German soldiers at the levels required by the Geneva Convention during the food crisis of 1945, the purpose of the designation, along with the British designation of Surrendered Enemy Personnel (SEP), was to prevent categorization of the prisoners as Prisoners of War (POW) under the 1929 Geneva Convention.
>Allied bombing raids had destroyed thousands of farm buildings, and rendered food processing facilities inoperable.[4][5] Lack of farm machinery, spare parts, and fertilizer caused an almost total disruption of agriculture when the war was over.
>In addition, the destroyed German transportation infrastructure created additional logistical nightmares, with railroad lines, bridges, canals and terminals left in ruins.[7] The turnaround time for railroad wagons was five times higher than the prewar average.[7][8] Of the 15,600 German locomotives, 38.6% were no longer operating and 31% were damaged.[7] Only 1,000 of the 13,000 kilometers of track in the British zone were operable.[7] Urban centers often had to be supplied with horse-drawn carriages and wheeled carts.[4]
>>70210648
>muh batriotism
>holocaust was real
Go to tumblr, fag
>>70210524
>libertarian
aka "I vastly overestimate my own capabilities"
>>70211587
Fuck man. Depressing to think about all the horrors that went on during that time.
>>70204827
It does. It is not only political, but its also a view on the world. It needs reformation, but it does work. Look on ropeculture.org for more info.
>>70211770
Go back to stormfront. There's a lot of evidence of the holocaust even if it is exaggerated. You can't simultaneously adore Hitler for killing jews and then deny it when it is politically expedient.
t. Final Solution
>>70211936
>>70211587
Post war shit hit all nations involved, even during the war when our merchant ships were sunk by the Germans, our people starved.
Shit happens, they need to get over it.
>>70212029
why do deaths in your camps get waved away as shit happens but deaths in german camps are planned holocaust genocide with invisible gas chambers that mean germany should never have an independent government again?
>>70210279
>United Cuckdom
>>70212238
Because we didn't put Jews in camps and besides the Jews are crying about the Edict of Expulsion that happened when Edward I was King of my country, we tell them to fuck off and we tell the Caribbean to fuck off when they demand reparations, maybe other nations should grow a spine and tell these parasites to fuck off?
Also the Germans care, we literally don't care.
>>70212024
Do you believe people were gassed in gas chambers? Do you think this is the way in which the Nazis persecuted the Jews?
>>70212309
Don't even go there Hans, don't even go there.
>>70212029
I don't exclusively feel bad for one side. I'm probably more sympathetic to eastern European countries who had to deal with communism. Also things like the red terror and holodomor.
War is shit, especially when it's Western nations fighting each other.
>>70204827
>instantly devolves into abusing its own people and starting wars every single time its tried
hmm I dont know what a mystery
also please note that /pol/ hates islam when it's the most fascist shit on earth
>>70210558
>>70210750
I googled english flag and i found the same.
Fuck off with your retarded "countries"
Facism in germany was literally heaven on earth. Anyone who says otherwise are jews
>>70212532
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH
What a fucking retard
>>70212369
Go to bed nigel
>>70212465
>starting wars every single time its tried
Nice meme Britain and France which were democracies declared war on Germany. Fascist Spain was neutral.
no, fuck fascism
anyone supporting it should die, and they will when the Revolution begins
Good when action needs to be taken. Bad in times of peace
>>70212408
I don't care. They killed a lot of jews and they plunged Europe into WW2. It matters not to me if they killed jews with a menorah. Hitler was very clear about his hatred and his final solution.
>>70212532
I googled the Swedish flag and pic related is what I got come up.
>>70204827
It depends on the situation of the society,if its decadent its needs a shake-up
>>70212583
Ireland isnt even a real country. Neither is Scotland and wales
>>70212645
This
Nationalists are sheeple retards
>>70212610
Go to Israel Chaim.
>>70212465
this
>>70212532
OK, swedecuck since you were obviously to busy licking Muhammad's cum off your gf to gpo to geography class, i'm going to help you. Here's what you do. Move your mouse until the cursor is on top of tthe union jack. Does the word "England" pop up or does it say something else?
>>70212583
Ireland isn't even in the UK you fucking spastic
>>70212707
Ok pet
>>70212638
>talks about facism
>everything he said is national socialism
>>70212793
It says United Kingdom
United Kingdom = Great Britain = England
>>70212415
ROTHERHAM
>>70207079
You forgot to mention how she was almost holocausted 9 times but every time the gas was pumped into her room she survived.
>>70212902
National Socialism is an adaptation of fascism (which has roots in Southern Europe) for Germanic people
>>70212933
Just stop
>>70212933
>Swede
fucking hell
England is just a part of the united kingdom.
You don't have to be in England to be in the united kingdom.
Certainly better than what we currently have. Not perfect, but then what government-type is? The best we can do is dispose of ones that are weak with ones that are strong to try to get as close to perfection as possible.
>>70204827
I've always wondered how authoritarian communism (or stalinism) differs from fascism
alo why do people associate hitler with fascism, musselini was the original fascist; hitler was far from a pure fascist
>>70212874
>Pet
God you're worse than a fucking Jew, you're a God damn Geordie, burn in hell with the scum on Geordie Shore you piece of shit.
>>70213025
No, you're the one replying to me with dumb shit
>>70213044
WHY SO MANY NAMES FOR A COUNTRY.
And why is the flag for UK an english flag? And how did Ireland get its own flag on /pol/ but Wales didnt?????????
SO CONFUSING...
>>70212950
COLONGE, SEXUAL EMERGENCY THAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY WITH ANOTHER 14 YEAR OLD BOY GANG RAPED IN A SWIMMING POOL!
Pic related, you legalise your cuckoldry, we don't.
>>70212933
>United Kingdom = Great Britain = England
Don't digger deeper Jorg
United Kingdom = England; Scotland; Wales; Northern Ireland
Great Britain = England + Wales + Scotland
British Isles = England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland; Ireland; the Isle of Mann and channel islands.
In the same way Sweden, Norway and Finland = Scanadinavia, but Scandinavia =/= Sweden.
And Denmark, Norway, Swden and Finland are Nordic counties but not all in Scandinavia
>>70212933
Took 5 seconds to google
>>70213240
What the fuck. You can't actually be this retarded.
>>70213247
Eugh look at the teeth on this German "Male".
Fugly, feminised piece of shit.
>>70213240
Ireland isn't part of the UK, Northern Ireland is.
Hence Eire gets it's own flag; England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland don't.
>>70213258
>British Isles = England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland; Ireland; the Isle of Mann and channel islands.
There's 5,000 islands in the British isles anon.
>>70213240
Are you joking or are you really this retarded?
>>70213285
Nice shitpost
>>70213313
oh, that explains it, thank you for not calling me an idiot for not understanding. Respect brother.
>>70213323
>There's 5,000 islands in the British isles anon.
You'll find everyone bar the Isle of Mann and Channel Islands are part of either, England; Scotland, Wales, NI or Ireland though.
>>70213366
im serious?
serious=/=retarded
>>70213240
>SO CONFUSING...
I don't blame you for not knowing this
BECAUSE THE AUTISTIC MAP THREADS ALWAYS START WRONG
Please use this map from now on.
>>70213379
People were calling you an idiot because you are an idiot
I reject the notion that England is one entity.
Check your fucking privilege.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heptarchy
>>70213002
it is, but facism does not necessary mean national socialism, thats what i was point out
as pinochet probably wouldnt fit too well into that quote
>>70213398
But England, Scotland, Wales, NI and Ireland are social constructs.
>>70213379
>oh, that explains it, thank you for not calling me an idiot for not understanding.
It's one of those weird things that to an Anglo/phile it seems basic but not to the outside; hence why you got roasted by the Paddy and the Aus.
To be honest I had to google wether Denmark was considered Scandinavia and wether Finland was Nordic before I used that analogy ; to you it's probably very basic and you learnt it when you were very young.
>>70213409
Alright man. Just don't use the word autistic like its a bad thing, because there could be people Who Are autisitc. (just saying,,)
>>70204827
I would say it works better than democracy.
>>70213445
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heptarchy
The North will rise again Brother. Chuck us are 'at
>>70213487
Well yeah they're consituent nations.
So if every nation state on the Earth; England isn't literally coloured red and Scotland blue.
>>70213477
Strictly speaking Pinochet was not a fascist. Just an old school Latin American conservative
>>70204827
Fascism inherently encourages blind submission with the naive optimistic hope that the watchmen won't be corrupt making it inherently susceptible to corruption.
Only idiots think it's a good idea.
>>70213619
CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE!
>>70213570
Amen sister.
>>70213527
Yeah, exacly.
Finland isn't nordic geographically but we call it nordic anyway, same with iceland.
>>70204827
>fascism
>not posting Mussolini
>implying fascism is a system of laws
Fascism on its own doesn't changes laws to be any different than democratic, fascism doesn't builds borders and fascism doesn't makes a country. Fascism is only the topping on topping of established rule and laws. Fascism on its own does jack shit.
>>70213660
If your country descends into shit and chaos like much of Latin America, Africa and the Middle East, then fascism is a good thing for the short term until democratisation can kick in, problem with fascism is that it always burns out too quickly because power gets to the leaders heads and that transition to democracy doesn't take place.
I don't like big government, so no Fascism doesn't work because it requires the government to be intrusive
>>70213536
I have autism but you are absolutely the autistic one here.
>>70213666
I'm both those comments pal.
>>70213690
Yeah man, in the same way it's contentious to call Ireland part of the British isles or British; unionists in NI normally apply British to the entire British isles thus making the Irish British.
But the Irish and Brits tend to just use it for Great Britain.
>>70213798
>muh freedumbs!!!!!
>>70213247
>be in London for one week
>muzzies and niggers everywhere
>>70213819
>I have autism
An Autistic paddy is something I definitley have to see.
>>70213855
Mate I went to Berlin in February, you can't say shit.
>>70213798
Sometimes you need that to keep wild apes from stepping out of line until they appreciate what freedom is, they abuse freedom like it's some tool to be an anarchist.
Like I said, take a hard look at Latina America, Africa, Middle East etc.
All have abused freedoms and haven't learned the value of freedom and how it should be respected, they revert to primitive, primal, ackbaring instead of civility.
A good dose of fascism sorts that out, ask the disappeared in Argentina what happens when you step out of line.
Oh wait LOL....
>>70213196
Stalinism has some fascist qualities for sure.
>>70212933
Oi u cheeky cunt, half of the UK is Scotland so dont b chompin ya gums n' saying it's all England or I'll have 2 clip u by the head I swer on me nans grave bruv.
>>70213855
>Go to anywhere in Germany, urban or city
>Literally has legal, state authorised Sharia patrols
You really shouldn't be commenting Germany, in fact you should put a proxy on and hide in shame.
>>70213258
Whales has their own flag so you can take that off the map you cheeky cunt
>>70213819
Man,,,,,,,,
Not funny
>>70213982
>Whales
Are you sure they have their own flag?
>>70207781
>Liberalism
I can get this, from Locke to Hobbes to Rosseau to Paine to Voltaire to the Federalist Papers to De Toqueville , it had a lot of development and deliberation , especially with the introduction of Natural Rights, and then positive and negative rights and obligations, from which property rights and then the role of government was established
>Marxism
>Be Marx/Engels
>Try to apply Hegel to economic history
>Le people's relationship with objects and each other
>Le arbitrary categories of classes stemming from this
>Le property is theft just because
>Me volition isn't even part of the equation of human behavior
>Wow Marx you so brilliant
>Be post Marxist
>Look at all this Marxist theory!
>>70213909
>>70213196
Stalinism is a Trotskyite meme lad.
Vanguardism was literally the only way Lenin could see Russia making the transition, they inherently need an authoritarian government and are culturally submissive to it (Hence Slav = Slave)
Same with the Chinese; nothing has changed in that respect, even now Russia can't cope with democratic institutions and slips back into authoritarianism like the Germans and the Weimar Republic.
>>70213765
Not in todays day and age with massive surveillance in the country that holds all the geopolitical power and the most advanced military in the world. You have to lack foresight to see how fascism in this scenario would eternally fuck the US and the rest of the world.
>>70214012
I'm sure I've seen their flag pop up a few times.. But I only use fucking touchscreens on 4chan so nothing happens if I click on the flag
>>70214012
>>70213477
Russian wiki says that:
>fascism is a generalized title of far-right political movements, ideologies and the corresponding form of government of a dictatorial type, distinctive features of which are militaristic nationalism (in the broadest sense), anti-communism, xenophobia, revanchism and chauvinism, mystical cult of the leader, contempt for electoral democracy and liberalism, faith in the ruling elite and the natural social hierarchy, statism, and in some cases syndicalism, racism, and genocide.
Thought this would be interesting looking at the English wiki.
>>70214012
>>70213982
North Ireland's unofficial flag is the cross of St.George with the red hand of Ulster.
We all have our own flags, Ireland was previously the Saltire of St.Patrick (Hence the red cross on the Union flag) the Welsh flag isn't part of the Union flag because Wales is technically de jure Kingdom of England (Prior to unification with the Scots then the Paddies.)
![rainbow_fist_russia-240x240[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9jvHqOI.jpg "rainbow_fist_russia-240x240[1].jpg")
>>70214012
They do. Here it is.
>>70214172
That is exactly right.
>>70204827
We did it best
>>70214260
>>70214260
Thanks for the history lesson, but I was literally talking about the flags on 4chan
>>70214408
Oh shit, sorry man.
Wow now I feel autistic.
>>70214172
>anti-communism
Mussolini was the leading member of picture related
Somewhere along the way Americans made Hitler & Mussolini not into Communists, when they both were Communists. Now in USA you hear those retards talking about Marxism and Communism and how it's democracy.
>>70204827
It's shit, but it's still better than the current "stealth fascism"
Nationalism is god-tier tho
>>70213655
well conservative and liberal are rather meaningless terms when it comes to the political specturm as a whole, as they apply diffrently to each country, because of the history of that countries politics.
So whats considered a conservative in norway is far diffrent from whats considered a conservative in the USA
BUT for the sake of the discussion, you are right that he was a conservative, i just think that there are far too many policies that conservatives and facists have in common when you look at the respective ideologies outside the spesific "country to country diffrences
like isolationism, in group prefrence, certain financial position that both promote private ownership and national control
>>70213570
don't forget we liberated you from the Danelaw, don't slice England up into the old Kingdoms, I'll be stuck with London in Wessex
>>70214172
Fascism can be far left, this description is wrong.
>>70214165
kek
>>70214134
When political opponents or those that are against the current regime start dropping out of helicopters, then you should be worried.
Also for sure it could fuck the rest of the world, but considering your military history, I don't think the rest of the world has much to fear.
;^)
>>70214485
Dude you are just dead wrong. Hitler was never a Communist, and Mussolini was a Socialist for a while until he started writing nationalist and militaristic shit in his newspaper. He got kicked out of the Socialist Party and started doing his own thing. Just because he was a Socialist at one point does not mean he was a literal Communist and that there is some revisionist conspiracy to hide it.
>>70214485
>Hitler communist
wtf, communists were basically the whole reason he started ww2
Why do you think he even invaded Russia, he was attempting to prevent the spread of communism through Europe.
>>70204827
Only if you have a truly benevolent dictator who has the rare combination or loyalty for the people and competent decision making skills.
>>70207781
But why are youbaxting as if anti democratic and anti liberal thought has no philsophical grounding ?
>Nietzsche
> Caplan
> de Maistre
> Hoppe
> Maurras
>Plato
>Carlyle,
> Kuehnelt-Leddihn,
>Evola
>Filmer
>Spencer
>Spengler
>>70214613
In all seriousness I'm in favour of abandoning the emerging federalism and reintroducing municipalisation.
Don't know how anyone can advocate the partition of England.
But yeah I get that man, same reason I wanted Scots to stay in is because I didn't want to be stuck getting fucked by the Tories.
>>70214764
I know this seems like shilling, but this man is a perfect example >>70214319
>>70214618
>Fascism can be far left, this description is wrong.
It's ultimate Authoritarianism irregardless of economics. National Socialism was more ultimate Authoritarian Social democracy
>>70213849
Hey I'm all for totalitarianism just not in a managed economy.
>>70214618
Economically, maybe. Politically it is as right as it could be.
>>70214871
Oy vey don't you know that Metaxas was a Germanophile and a fascist and the only reason he resisted the Italian invasion was the will of the people!!!!
That was what I was taught in school.
>>70214871
I don't know who he is. Can you tell me about him?
>>70214993
OY GEVALT HE SAID NO BECAUSE HE WAS AGAINST THE ITALIANS EXPANSIONISM NOT BECAUSE HE WAS A PATRIOT
>>70214063
Not that I disagree but Slav means "word" or "truth" not slave.
>>70214618
>When political opponents or those that are against the current regime start dropping out of helicopters, then you should be worried.
Implying Hitler 2.0 won't just invoke FISA court, with +GITMO, followed by summoning Surgical Drone Strike, and discarding you to the Missing Persons pile.
>implying the time to worry is after they've seized control
It's already too late
>>70215269
You already have that though, although it's not done because of political opponents or opponents of the current regime, you have targeted drone strikes against US citizens without due process for being "terrorists".
Patriot Act, NDAA etc. You still have democratic votes, however nepotised and orchestrated they are.
>>70215118
Always understood that it came from medieval latin = sclavus
>>70214717
>>70214745
Communists create Socialism.
Hitler's slogan for mobilizing Germany was Arbeit und Brot(work and bread), a Communistic slogan. Hitler after all abolished monarchy like every other Communistic ruler in other countries during Socialism, which people seem to forget and instead focus on facism bullshit. That what Communism was about: worker rights and to break free from rich royal families, to build borders, since monarchies only had conquering plans and borders were all over the place, so were foreign troops acquired during occupation. To put it simply: royal armies were made out of international people, like NATO.
https://archive.org/details/practicalcommun00eedegoog
>Practical Communism, Work and Bread
>>70215393
No, "Slov"or "Slav" means word in most Slavic languages. "Slavs" most likely about to describe people who spoke the same or similar "words".
>>70215387
My point exactly. What are you refuting?
Atm. many countries in the west is steering towards liberal progressive fascism, and I wouldn't exactly say I'm crazy about it.
>>70215589
Fair enough mate; gave it a quick google and it seems to agree with you so I'll conceede
>>70214952
No, it does not fall on the left-right scale
For example, National Socialism is left wing while Mussolini's Italy was right wing
>>70215422
Dude, National Socialism is not the same thing as Socialism or Communism. Socialism is about classlessness and shared ownership of production, while NatSoc is strictly hierarchical and class based, but is about making the social classes work together for the common good. The German monarchy was abolished after WWI, not by Hitler or the Nazis so I have no idea what you're on about there, and just because they copied slogans and other propaganda doesn't mean they were the same ideologies. The Commies had innovative propaganda so it made sense to copycat from them.
Better than letting everything run on "MUH FEELS"
I'd rather live in Nazi Germany than in a liberal run shithole where I can get jailed because somebody felt insulted.
>>70215058
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ioannis_Metaxas
Ioannis Metaxas
Prime Minister and later Dictator of Greece
A man who started off as a military officer in the Greco-Turkish War of 1897, and due to the ineptitude of the Monarch acting as a General, he grew disdainful of the Monarchy (I'll get more into that later).
He later studied in the German Empire before WW1 and was promoted as a General, and fought during the Balkan Wars, in which he was really sucessful, liberating Epirus, Macedonia and Thrace from Turkish and Bulgarian occupation (people will claim that it was Crown Prince Constantine, but he was just a posterboy). He started off as a pretty republican person, due to his hatred of the king, but later, a certain Jew, by the name of Eleftherios Venizelos (actual name being Beny Zelon) gained power by being popular with the people, due to rising up their nationalism and going against the king, Metaxas hated the kike, and he knew that his rule would be awful, so he stayed friendly with the king. He went against all of Venizelos ideas to take part in WW1, like the failed Gallipoli campaing that would've ended in death of Greeks, Venizelos later resigned and was elected again, wanting to help the Serbians (again failed campaign and not enough thinking), he was dismissed by the king though, making Metaxa's plans seem more favourable if he joined the King. But Jewnizelos caused a putsch in Northern Greece and joined WW1 anyway (after deposing the King, which Metaxas was happy with, but it didn't help with his interests), he followed the king in his exile in Corsica, and returned when he was Venizelos "defeated" in the 1920 elections (he had set the plans for Ataturk, another Jew, to take power in Turkey and later kick the Greeks out in the Greco-Turkish War of 1922), since he "became" a freemason sometime before his exile to Corsica, he knew the Asia Minor campaign would be a failure, so he didn't take part in it, and actively opposed it. (cont.)
>>70206767
"It hurts my feelings" the post
>>70207079
OY vey German Jew detected
>>70216050
World wars were about territory and former royal families had influence and money, they were on the side of money, not people. Every Socialism is nationalistic, Nazi was just a name of a political party, you don't have to be named Communistic party to be a Communist. Hitler kicked out foreigners, not just Jews and nationalized production, like every Socialistic country. If you look at modern political parties they are all for foreigner owned industry, also called right-wing these days, since capitalism needs laws that enable it to purchase foreign land and industry so they can expand companies beyond borders. In Hitler time hardly anybody had a car so you can't talk about right-wing free trade privatization, people more or less stayed in surrounding territories, the only people that studied abroad were normally rich connected through royal connections and those were the people who wanted expand their enterprises all over the globe, which we call free trade and stock market these days.
>>70204827
Yes
>>70204827
Ask the ancient Romans, seemed fairly effective for them.
The question really is, can fascism work without a central messianic figure.
>>70216496
>The question really is, can democracy work without voting.
>>70216496
Technically, George Lincoln Rockwell thought national socialism - which isn't exactly fascism - could work very well with a representative democracy as we once had it. The only issue is subversion as always. There has to be a central power structure capable of ruling with an iron fist.
>>70204827
Not really, having most of the population living in fear of doing the wrong thing to piss off the unaccountable police state isn't really a good state to live in. We need a Powell, not a Mosley. We have problems right now, but there's no point throwing the baby out with the bath water.
>>70216496
The Romans were fascist?
How?
It was a multiethnic empire like many empires
>>70204827
>Does it work?
Absolutely not.
It's just socialism with white people.
>HURR IT ONLY WORKS WITH WHITES
Are you actually this retarded?
It's literally Obama's economic policies but with whites.
It steals freedom from whites and lets the state steal their freedom.
>>70204827
Largely inefficient. But useful when the alternative is a long period of unrest. It'll give a brutal, nasty shutdown to instability, but at the cost of never coming back for some time and population brainwashing.
Or put simply - use Fascism sparingly. Too much and you get fucked.
>>70216672
>Not really, having most of the population living in fear of doing the wrong thing to piss off the unaccountable police state isn't really a good state to live in.
You're right, things are not going so well for th UK lately
>>70216696
ARE YOU KIDDING ME
>>70216740
In the UK you can vote, you can protest, you can read whatever books you want, good lucking having those freedoms with a dictatorship
>>70216696
USA's government is closing deals like TPP, for international trades. You could argue that not even US government is in country's(politician's) control, since you got lots of private lobbying groups that invest directly into government and buy politicians. Socialism has 100% ownership in own hands, no lobbying or privatization anywhere, especially not from foreigners.
You are either national or international.
>>70216938
>you can vote
sure you can, for the parties that are not deemed unconstitutional
>you can protest
yes, and if your movement is considered a threat the government will send agitators to
justify police beating everyone up. or they just send antifa
>you can read whatever books
pic related
>>70216366
Following the failure of the campaign, there was another coup d' etat in which the king was kicked out and the Second Greek Republic was formed, with Venizelos out of the way, and the King out of his interests, he created a party, the Freethinker's Party (he still tried to bring the monarchy back since it was his best connection and would still be very helpful to have a top freemason helping him), after the king returning from a rigged vote, the Communists started gaining some power, and he knew he had to intervene, with his connections as a freemason (an inside man, he didn't believe their bullshit), he was secretly voted in by the whole parliament as a Prime Minister (being a Minister of War before) and with an industrial crisis, he disbanned every party and said this "all the power I need for saving Greece from the catastrophes which threaten her." He then caused the 4th of July regime with him as a dictator, and as a result, he closed all the freemason lodges in Greece, and blocked all Jewish influence to the Greek government and the people, the King later on (who Metaxas was supposedly friendly with) was a king that did nothing, as Metaxas didn't allow him to, he was a King that lived in his palace and nothing more, he unified the Greeks among the filthy Communists and the right people and wanted to create a "Third Hellenic Civilization", he fixed the Greek Industry, gave jobs to people, fixed the Greek infrastructure and built many buildings while himself living in a frugal little home with his dog (kinda like Mujica), he built our insurance company that still stands today (IKA), while he did ban books and rewrote some bullshit Jewish sponsored histories, he didn't ban Plato's Republic, those are Communist lies.
His regime not being planned by the Jews and the Freemasons though, he didn't have popular support, only his kingly puppet and a loyal army. (cont.)
>>70217326
I still don't understand how abolishing liberty solves the problem of there being too many restrictions on liberty.
>>70217507
NS is fascism on crack
>>70216450
Communism is by definition internationalist. The whole point of communism is the abolishing of nations, classes, capital and states. This is antithetical in every way to what National Socialists believe in, so if you want to tell me Hitler was a Communist, then you're nuts.
Regarding Hitler being a Socialist - I guess you could say NatSocs are a subset of Socialism, but they are different in a few important ways. Yes, Hitler kicked out foreigners, but he did so on the basis of RACE. This is why he is a NATIONAL Socialist. Socialists are CLASSISTS, National Socialists are RACISTS. That is the crucial difference that sets the Nazis apart from the Socialists. He didn't really nationalize production either, it was more complicated than that when you look into it. The Nazis only cared about nationalizing industry when it was relevant to the interests of the state, otherwise they didn't care. There was no ideological drive to socialize the means of production for its own sake.
>>70217439
For the average person there would be few noticeable differences if their country became fascist tomorrow. Democracy in the west is in many cases just as restrictive against its citizens as fascism was but, on top of that, acts against the people self interest.
>>70217507
NatSoc is Fascism with race rather than culture as the defining characteristic of the nation.
>>70214031
>the establishment
>fascism
Fucking kek if you also believe this
Stay in your fucking echo chamber
>>>/here/
>>70217788
Not like there's anything wrong with that
>>70217991
Just pointing out the distinction, hombre.
>>70217333
During pre-WW2 politics he remained neutral, though favouring trading with Germany due to the mass industrialization, but with the tensions between Germany and France/UK rising, he favoured France/UK more since they Greece was mostly a maritime country and it would help with their economy more.
While he wanted to keep Greece out of WW2, Mussolini's expansionist dreams had Greek lands in them, and when the Italian envoy for Greek surrender came, he said the famous "ΟΧΙ" meaning War, and he knew it was go time, he mobilized the army and while the Italians launched an offensive from Albania, the Greeks beat back the superior forces and launched a counter offensive, occupying Northern Epirus (a region in Albania with a huge Greek minority), and the shitalians scurried off in their little spaghetti holes.
The freemasons knowing that with Metaxas in power, their whole ambitions would be thwarted (especially in the North African expeditions) and it would take much longer for Greece to surrender to the Axis, they assasinated him by causing him a phlegmon and later Toxoaemia in his system. He never got to live through the German offensive of Greece, and the only reason the Axis had a hard time in the beginning, was because of the Metaxas line, a defensive line in the Bulgarian border that was kinda like a sucessful maginot line, that he had planned, funded and consulted on. After his death, a freemason puppet suceeded him and surrendered (but by his shame in betraying the Greek people, he shot himself in the head), while George II King of Greece and Denmark controlled the government, since Metaxas was dead and couldn't keep him in his cage. Then Georgie fled to Egypt and enjoyed tea with the Arabs and the Brits, while the Greeks were starving under the German/Italian/Bulgarian occupation of Greece.
THE END
>>70206662
>Only thing that matters is if the ideology is compatible with your country, culture and benefits it.
Mah nigga
>>70218036
I understand, I always peep the flag before I read the post
Surely you understand
Does anyone have a link to Paul Gottfried's latest book on Fascism? Ain't paying >$100 plus shipping for that.
Capitalism is superior and will never be beat
>>70204827
I think so.
>prewar economy stripped power from the banks and wasn't a bad system.
>people were unified by a national identity
Well that was National Socialism, other facists regimes I feel mixed about.
Anyway, better than what we have today.
>>70207079
Because your grandmother was a coward who wanted to s are people also that story sounds fake as fuck. Ahmed go away.
