Should we (USA) have gone into Vietnam? What about the war crimes committed by the United States?
No, one rice niggers start hiding in holes it's officially not fun anymore and America is fucking out
>>70181091
>Should we (USA) have gone into Vietnam?
No, it was a completely meaningless war we shouldn't have been anywhere near.
>>70181091
Also
>war crimes
This joke will never stop being funny.
>Should we (USA) have gone into Vietnam?
No it was a retarded war to get into that gave Cultural Marxists ammo to start subverting more of the western world
>What about the war crimes committed by the United States?
Should've been more and actually won the war.
>>70181091
You should never start a war if you don't have the balls to finish it. The same situation in Vietnam was repeated in Iraq & Afghanistan and exactly the same would have happened if you had gone to Syria.
Now all those countries are even worse than they were before and the whole world hates America.
War crimes don't matter.
>>70181091
all the cool movies and games were worth it tb.h
>>70181091
I better thread would have gone something like this:
Historian ____ claims in his/her work that _________ characterized US involvement in Vietnam. However I (or Historian ____) think that ________ has to be taken into account.
Do you think that ______ was _______ ? If so, how could the situation have unfolded differently (more positively).
And then keep the thread alive with rare pictures (good quality), and related quotes on the subject from experts with different perspectives. You on the hand sound like a kid that doesn't know how to write the five-paragraph essay due tomorrow.
What war hadn't we got in that wasn't started by the CIA?
We should have finished it and killed the commies in our own country as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEVGCJxQisE
>war crimes
Sure thing, nigger.
>>70181625
WE GOD BOIS
WE DINDU NUFFIN
Go and eat a dick
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre
>>70181091
>chinks want independance
>get it from surrendur monkies
>chimp out about communism to scare the US into sending aid
>US never sends aid
>chimping intesifies
>US invades, and later bombs and massacres the living shit out of chinks
>liberals butthurt everywhere for all time
>when power is restored to chink govt nearing the end of the war, we somehow lost even though the desired effect was achieved
>>70181844
Autism: The Post.
>>70181933
You best stay across that border, spic.
>>70181867
Call me when the UN gets an army to enforce 'war crimes' pablo
>>70181991
You better kill yourself, weeaboo scum.
If we would have sided with Germany in WWII, communism would have been destroyed, no Cold War, no Vietnam
>>70182020
>weeaboo
Oh, no. You ruined my day, spic.
>>70182019
>American Intellectual
>>70181867
I'm not saying things don't happen. When you're at war people die, it's what happens. It's not a crime.
>>70181867
Whatever, I don't think we should have gone in either, but that was a Viet Cong village. They got what they deserved. The VC had left by then, but that village harbored them. Fuck them.
>>70182091
Good luck trying to invade
>>70182091
>>70181891
If you want to be technical, you could say the U.S. won the war on the grounds that we stopped the spread of communism, and that the northern gooks reneged on the agreement shortly after we left.
For all intents and purposes we lost seeing as how tons of Americans died and we ultimately failed.
>>70181091
Whether they should've gone in is debatable, but once they had they shouldn't have left before the job was done.
>>70181091
>What about the war crimes committed by the United States?
We literally did nothing wrong
>>70181091
>Should we (USA) have gone into Vietnam?
No.
>What about the war crimes committed by the United States?
What village?
>>70182179
That's a pretty low-class jew explanation. Even the Jews would bother to declare war.
Except they wouldn't because you do it for them.
>>70182179
When you are at war, you kill soldiers, not entire villages full of womans and childrens. That's very coward and disgusting.
>>70182511
That's idealistic bullshit. That's what people WANT war to be like, but it's never what it's actually like.
They should not have protected and aided the dirty VC commie traitors (and that's what the VC were.. traitors to their country, collaborators) if they didn't want to put their village at risk.
It wasn't terrible that we went into Nam, the problem is how the country dealt with it both from a military and cultural standpoint
We should have been in and out, one swift powerful sweep instead of getting picked off by guerrilla forces. Even if we didn't do that though, if the fucking hippies didn't tear the country apart we may have been able to persevere.
>>70182511
Try fighting a fucking enemy that hides in villages full of women and children.
Vietnam Thread?
Vietnam Thread
>>70182667
Oh, assault villages to kill kids is a basic strategy in war times. And there are no difference between combatants and civilians ...
Oh god ...
Sometimes I forgot that I'm talking to Americans.
>>70181760
They were men caught in the shit storm of their time, no different to the millions before them
>>70182511
>When you are at war, you kill soldiers, not entire villages full of womans and childrens
And knights protect the innocent.
But here in real life villages are burned and people are killed and that's how war goes.
>>70182944
Nobody assaults a village to kill anybody. You assault a village to achieve an objective. If you have to kill people to reach that objective, and it's been authorized, that's what you do.
That was a village whose men and women, fathers and mothers, and aunts and uncles and grandfathers, collaborated to let enemy forced into their village and take rest and respite, and resupply there. They were harboring the enemy. They weren't innocent little sheep. They took a calculated risk. They lost.
>>70181091
1) No
2) Yes
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MxYFZIDoCdI
>>70181091
If only American population and American values were constantly at the same ratio as in 1970. Man can dream
>>70182019
We police ourselves because we are not a degenerate culture.
>>70182960
This desu desu
https://youtu.be/t9eybY9qFfY
>>70182944
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI
You sound like some social justice cunt. Are you a woman, spic?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb3iPP-tHdA
>>70181091
>should we have invaded?
Not if we weren't going to actually put in the effort to win the war, not invading would have been better than half assing an invasion then leaving when the hippy drum circles go to loud for out politicians.
>post on this thread
>music plays
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLV4_xaYynY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40JmEj0_aVM
Reading all these replies that either outright deny war crimes or support them really makes you see how many users here are ultimately detached from reality.
The Vietnam War was a pointless failure, another example of a poor country getting it's land and people destroyed in the chess match between the USSR and the US
People died, families were torn apart and like always, idiots never fail to romanticize it.
>>70181720
We didn't start the war, though. We went in to help our spineless French """""""""""""""""""allies""""""""""""""""""
>>70183547
>like literally I can't even right now
In hindsight we should not have gone into Vietnam, but the spread of communism was a real threat. We needed to show the world that we were not just rattling our sabre but rather willing to put it all on the line to stop communism and back up potential democracies.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BRE3kjL3Yjg
>>70181675
This guy fuckin' gets it.
Based as fuck.
>>70183528
EVERY TIME
>>70182944
spoken like someone who has never been in a war.
bloodlust changes people
>>70183547
I'm not romanticizing it. I already said I don't think we should have gone in. Specifically, because war is so inherently horrible, and all of these pretty peace time rules and treaties mean jack fucking shit when you're in a real war. And so if you're going to go to war you need to be certain your cause is just and you're willing to do what it takes to get in and out as quickly as you can efficiently pull it off.
But when we're actually at war, our primary objective should be to win it, not to pussyfoot around and end up in an insolvable quagmire plagued by political division back home so that nothing gets achieved.
It's an age old problem. Doves hate war and don't want to go to war, hawks believe it's necessary all too often. But the problem with doves is they never understand that once they lose the political battle and we have to go to war, they need to commit themselves to the win, because it benefits all involved.
War is messy. It's always been that way. We didn't invent it, and we won't end it.
Henry Kissinger dindu nuffin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlcuPNv8Od8
Hippies forced everyone home too early and made sure that every death was in vain.
>>70183547
>outright deny war crimes
I deny the concept of "war crimes". It's ridiculous. War is when you say "lets go kill those guys over there". If you accept that it's acceptable to say "let's go slaughter those guys over there by the hundreds or thousands or millions" I don't know how you can say it's a crime if they kill them the wrong way or if a few hundred of the wrong people are killed.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-r679Hhs9Zs
>>70182091
yeah those UN forces sure do a lot to prevent all that genocide and ethnic cleansing in africa.
hey they even put those leaders on trail and sent them to jai...
oh wait
>>70181091
We shouldn't have been in any wars after WW1
The Jews dragged us into WW2 and after that the ending of our isolationist doctrine opened our country to all kinds of corrosive people, of which Marxists were the worst.
Our resources are all over the globe because of our "world police" stance and we are sending foreign aid to countries that only use the money to keep warlords in place.
So no, we should not have been in Nam' or any other wars.
>>70184000
Trips of truth.
We should avoid war wherever possible but when we get in one we need to fight to win, not please some cucks in blue helmets
>>70183528
you forgot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY
>>70181759
Don't forget comic book characters (the Punisher) and music (It ain't me).
>>70183995
We were in vietnam long enough, but we just didn't fight the war to win due to hippy protests and the fear of involving china in the war
>>70181091
If it weren't for the Vietnam War, there would never have been a Wheel of Time series. In many ways, it was the WWI to Lord of the Rings.
>tfw you go to help a guy pull his truck out of the mud on the side of the road and he turns out to be a drunk vietnam vet
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qAP84Zc_CYU
>>70181091
No, the US should have used Vietnam to widen the Sino-Soviet split.
>>70183547
I wouldn't romanticize the Vietnam war. But if we go into a war, we gotta go into it to win it and accept that civilian casualties will be a part of war, as it always has been, and stop trying to be overtly careful.
ITT edgelords that don't understand war crimes.
Look up agent orange you basement dwellers
>>70181675
/thread
>>70183719
State your point directly to me and don't post memes like a child.
>>70183897
This is the same bone headed thinking that has been fucking this country over for decades
Since our enemy no longer wears uniforms clearly showing them apart of the combatant nation, we should just torch entire villages to catch the few that may be there?
And it wasn't just torching villages, it was outright capturing and torturing men, women and children of Vietnam. Please tell me how raping and torturing a woman will contribute to a victory.
War is war, soldiers go and die, but tell me how a state of war makes murdering civilians suddenly okay when in any other circumstances it is absolutely condemned.
Might as well just support the legalization of murder, we're all going to die anyway!
Glad to see the spirit of humanity so alive and cherished here.
Yes the war as necessary, Communism had to be halted in South Asia.
Guess who fucked up the peace treaty?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hqYGHZCJwk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4zLfCnGVeL4
>>70184557
Move to Africa and feel the love of humanity.
>>70184557
Killing civilians has never been "okay". It's always been "wrong". But it's always been done. It's as old as war itself. And it will be happening thousands of years from now too. You just sound like a child.
And you can't just say "raping and torturing women!" without a concrete example, dickhead. Show us the specific example of this happening, and we can look at the details to see why it occurred.
>>70181091
- Should have never killed Diem - JFK/LBJ/McNamara/Rurk were fucking imbeciles.
- Should have stayed a proxy war only, for better or for worse.
>>70182511
>drug war
>cartels start beheading civilians
>>70184000
I wish I could post my Geneva Convention books.
The war crimes are made to prevent unnecessary dead and suffer. That's why you don't kill a shipwreck victim, a wounded soldier or a civilian.
You have to regulate the war, we're not fucking animals.
>>70181091
We should've supported ARVN forces and maybe done some airstrikes, but we should have never put American GIs on the ground to fight for the yellowman's freedom.
Plus Ho Chi Minh was hardly a real communist, he simply sold his countries' ideology to the highest bidder, he even tried to get US support right after WW2 but was refused because we had already picked our puppet.
Ho Chi Minh was first and foremost a nationalist, he didn't really care about the capitalism/marxism divide, that was all secondary to independence.
>>70184908
Cartel members aren't [by definition] soldiers.
While they don't get recognized as a Paramilitary group, they don't have to follow any law.
>>70185067
People have been trying to regulate the rules of war for millenia. Even the Greeks had "rules". Nobody cared, nobody listened. Nobody ever does.
Grow up.
>>70181091
Should have established a permanent base in South Vietnam instead of pulling out under the cowardly notion of trusting some commie bastards. We would have turned South Vietnam into South Korea 2.0, and, instead, we left the place to be betrayed by China.
Unfortunately, even the US probably couldn't afford to prop up another Asian shithole to spite China and the USSR with Freedom and Capitalism to illustrate how much they suck at life.
Although, ideally, the US should have sided with the Americaboos in the first place instead of helping France cling to its delusions of empire. If it was the German Indochina, you can be damn sure it would be the Republic of Vietnam today.
we need to go back to vietnam
>>70184521
If you honestly believe that wars should be fought halfheartedly than you are not fit to make these decisions. You can have a 15 year "war" in the desert with ridiculous ROE that get your men killed, or have a five year total war and make sure these guys won't ever be a problem again. You know who hasn't started a war in over 70 years? Germany or Japan.
It's just called Orange, the fuckin' liberals added agent to make it sound worse. Orange was a defoliant to kill the plants that hid and supported the gooks, but it was contaminated from being a mix of chemicals from two manufacturers, Monsanto and DOW chemical (tons of conspiracies theories on if it was intentional, but that's irrelevant right for this point). Do you honestly think that if our boys were aware of what it did to people, themselves included, that they would have willingly sprayed that shit without wearing protective gear or even shirts?
"Agent" Orange was an unintentional catastrophe.
>>70185197
>No body follow the rules so I don't have to follow them !!!
Man, that's a stupid argument.
And yes, the laws are respected.
>>70181867
The tet offensive was the true warcrime.
We had a ceasefire to let them observe their holiday and they attacked anyway.
They deserved everything we did to them in return.
This book does a good job of explaining what happened.
Pretty redpilled on the subject imho.
>>70185361
If your little war crime treaties are so respect then why do we keep having this conversation after every war? War is war. Each side is going to do whatever it takes to win, unless of course they have commies like you around telling everybody losing is better.
>>70184557
>hurr durr I'm an adult
>muh reductio ad absurdum
>muh appeal to emotion
>muh holier than thou
Is it wrong to torture a woman if it leads to information that saves the lives of hundreds?
Is it wrong to kill civilians who have been cooperating with and feeding information to the enemy, and will continue to do so?
If you're going to come off as all high and mighty at least present an argument based on facts and not airy armchair philosophy.
>>70181760
do you spit when you talk?
As a foreigner, 'Nam had the best soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7qkQewyubs&nohtml5=False
>>70181091
>What about the war crimes
You know, it's well past time we stopped putting up with this nonsense concept of "war crimes". War is fundamentally a lawless situation; the application of law and order expectations to it's anathema is both impractical, suicidal, and highly hypocritical. Especially in the case a geurilla war, which by definition, doesn't include the expectation of obedience to the geneva conventions by the insurgent factions. Most frameworks of international turn out to be absurd and self-contradictory in their observance and design. If international law and the precept of the warcrime is one of the legacies of modern liberalism, then it's a testament to the pragmatic poverty of liberal ideals.
tl;dr
Laws are for peace time, where a social contract exists between all parties. It was for a time when Europeans fought other Europeans, and saw themselves as part of a unified Christianity or civilization heritage. It hasn't functioned in the globalized age.
>>70184702
And I'm certain I will find it there, just as certain as I am to find criminals and violence, as natural in any other part of the world.
>>70184791
I'm glad you set your standards so high. Sure killing innocents is wrong, but hey, we just can't help it, so let's just stop charging people for war crimes and make it just a huge free for all! Sorry civilians of whatever country we're invading, but it's open season, so you better duck down!
Listen buddy, you and me are both sheltered and (hate to say it) privileged to live in the U.S, a country that hasn't faced a home front war in living memory, so yeah, I can see why you'd be so distant and think massacring scores of civilians is no big deal if it's just apart of the objective and it's to "win the war".
I can't find the link anymore, but if you find the time, I'd recommend watching the documentary over the Winter Soldier Investigations, where Vietnam vets told exactly what happened and all the atrocities they took part in or saw happen
>>70184557
>War is war, soldiers go and die, but tell me how a state of war makes murdering civilians suddenly okay when in any other circumstances it is absolutely condemned.
Killing civilian is morally wrong, but so is killing another man even if he is a combatant. You can't pussyfoot around moral grey areas, the more brutal a war is, the faster it is over for everyone involved. Do you know what killing families does? It shows the enemy that we are strong and evil enough to kill all of them.
Every. Single. Person.
That demoralizes the hell out of the opposition and they will eventually give up the fight once it gets too rough. Am I saying it's moral to do? FUCK NO, it is downright evil. But if diplomacy fails so spectacularly that a war must be fought, it shouldn't be a drawn out show, it needs to be swift and brutal so everyone can move on.
I spoke to a Vietnam Vet waiting to get picked up at a train station once, he started making small talk and asked what I where I was going. I told him I was on leave and waiting for my cousin to pick me up, he told me hes a Marine and did two pumps in 'Nam. From then on he opened up to me, his stories becoming more and more personal as he kept talking. I listened to his stories about working up in Okinawa, landing in Da Nang, R&R on the beach and the soul crushing search and destroy operations where he witnessed villages being razed to the grounds and families being displaced. I was coming off a deployment myself, nothing special just a ship deployment throught the south east and the sandbox.
The way he spoke to me though, as if he finally found someone who spoke his language and can finally speak comfortably and get everything off his chest finally. Before I left I shook his hand and thanked him for his service, I felt like that wouldn't fix or heal any of the wounds he's been carrying his whole life but I just wanted him to know that I understood him.
You guys bring up your statistics and sit on your high horses but how was this guy any different to a crusader marching to the Holy Land, the Confederate soldier marching on to kill his fellow American, the German Soldier fighting to the bitter end in the heart ofnhis own fatherland?
We can sit and speculate and cast judgement but I feel like we can never understand what it is to be a part of/ be in the middle of a destructive period of time like they were.
>>70185746
Well I'll tell you what, if we did have a war here at home like that one, and small towns were harboring a treasonous, collaborating, communist band of assholes like the Viet Cong, I would sign up level that town myself.
But you only want to place the blame on one side. You don't care that collaborators are traitors to their country. That's a meaningless non-offense to you. I think it's a crime in and of itself, punishable by death.
>>70181091
What is wrong with you?
I'm losing faith in America and Russia's starting to look the better option at the rate things are going.
Your (and mine) grandparents fucking sacrificed their lives so that we could live in a free world.
Simple as that.
You gotta take the good with the bad unfortunately.
>>70185508
>why do we keep having this conversation after every war?
Because the Jewnited States does everything to hide all the shit they do in their wars.
>>70181091
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjzjhl-QztE
If we wouldn't have went to Vietnam, we wouldn't have songs like this.
>>70181091
An argument can be made that Vietnam was a big part of why we are tied to the fucking Saudis. It should not have happened.
>>70186277
>Saudis
You wrote ´Kikes´ wrong.
The United states doesn't commit war crimes
>>70186063
Yeah, we're the only country that commits war crimes.
Thanks for the laugh, Mexico.
Tell me, what happened to all those men in the Alamo when Santa Anna finally broke through?
>>70185584
Of course, if all these scenarios happened every time, than it would all be totally justifiable.
Except it's rarely the case. It's typically Country Boy Bubba Joe getting his rocks off at the thought of having absolute control of a woman and than making up some bullshit excuse to justify it.
>>70185837
I'm really glad the US has never had to fight extensively on the home front, because it sounds like you'd take your family and friends right up to the enemy and beg them to kill you.
>>70185996
It's odd to think killing a civilian whose harboring an enemy soldier is a bit overkill? Let's completely forget the fact said civilian has absolutely no combat experience, probably couldn't use a weapon properly to save their life and was more than likely forced by said enemy combatant to shelter them or else.
I would go into the town and take out the enemy soldiers, not level the place only to inspire the town over to see how truly insane I was and rally them to fight against me, and at that point it's not even political, it's literally fighting to save their own lives.
>>70185508
>Ignoring the fact that supporting human rights, democratic governance and the prevention of war crimes has been a feature of EVERY use of US force in the post Cold War world
So basically you want to have your cake and eat it to by holding others to standards of jus in bello or jus ad beluum that you (or your allies) are not expected to adhere to?
Gee I wonder why we have to keep having this conversation too, dumbass.
>>70186471
It's treason. Civilians can commit treason. We even have a definition of treason in our own Constitution to guide in no uncertain terms what it is: Giving aid and comfort to the enemy. And we electrocute traitors. Or we used to before the Powderpuff Girls took over.
Sorry, you plea for the good name of traitors everywhere doesn't impress me. The reason, btw, that we execute traitors in our culture is because they are the most vile, low down, disgusting, creatures in the world, and they get people killed.
>>70186743
>US citizens can be condemned to death without due process
You seem to be the treasonous one here. Or does the constitution not apply to those who are 'defending the constitution'?
>>70186450
all of them died fighting but if they were gay ass mexicans they would've ran away
>>70186850
Who said anything about due process?
Take a hike, budget Australia.
DA US DIDNT COMMIT NO WARCRIMES YOU SHUT YER COMMIE MOUTH
>>70186743
Well, traitors can't be all bad, I mean, our nation was started by a band of traitors, was it not?
>>70181453
>stopping the expansion of communism is bad
Our only mistake was leaving. Fucking hippies
>>70186927
>death squads liquidating towns in a vigilante fever
>due process
Pick one and only one you shining example of US failure to educate the poorfag retards.
>>70187084
Yes. And they accepted the risk. And it was made clear to them by Royal Proclamation: They were traitors and when they were caught they would be hanged by the neck until dead.
The King's actual words:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JTxVHQAp8w&nohtml5=False
And they signed the Declaration of Independence anyway. They didn't bitch and moan and cry like babies because they might have been hanged as traitors.
If you're going to put yourself out there as a traitor, be ready to face the consequences if they come.
>>70187271
>The hypothetical takes place in a the middle of debilitating civil war
>Thinks martial law won't be declared like it was the last time we had a civil war
Fuck off you little shit nothing country.
>>70184557
>State your point directly to me and don't post memes like a child.
Where the fuck do you think you are?
>>70186471
>I'm really glad the US has never had to fight extensively on the home front, because it sounds like you'd take your family and friends right up to the enemy and beg them to kill you.
Nice strawman, we can spend all day debating each other's moral integrity if you want.
I was stating that the more brutal a war is, the more psychological impact it has on the inhabitants of the country under siege and the faster they are likely to surrender or come to terms. I don't like the process, but it is how war functions.
>>70187379
>Can't defend his position
>uses country memes
So particularly brutal civil wars such as the ones in Sudan, Liberia or the Congo tend to be shorter?
Funny that because that is exactly NOT what the literature says.
But I doubt you have read any of it.
>>70186340
No, I mean goat fucking Saudis.
>Spend a lot of money on Vietnam
>Rest of world figures out we're printing a shit load of money
>As per the Bretton Woods agreement, rest of world starts redeeming gold for $35/oz
>20,000 tons of US gold turns into 8,000 tons
>Nixon closes the gold window (Nixon Shock) making the USD a true fiat currency
>We collude with Saudis to ensure that oil is only priced in US Dollars
>You want oil? You need to get your hands on US Dollars
>Now, the US has ensured a demand for its currency
>But, we can't totally fuck the Saudis over.
>>70187718
Your country being insignificant and meaningless is not a meme, it's a cold hard fact.
Who gives a fuck about monkey civil wars in Africa? The hypothetical the other anon posed was in a war-torn America, where martial law would have been imposed and due process suspended, per our Constitution, btw. We're not sissies like you.
>you can't kill civilians that's a crime!
>it's perfectly okay to force civilians into becoming soldiers and killing them is fine
>>70187858
I like my countries insignificance.
Then again I have personal accomplishments that mean I don't have to rely on chanting USA NUMBER ONE as my only source of pride.
There is a large body of literature on civil wars which I am familiar.
Are you? Or are you just letting what you feel be the sole standard you use when formulating an opinion?
>>70182091
>UN
>relevant in any way or form
>>70181091
No. Anyone who defends the Vietnam War is a degenerate retard who doesn't read shit.
>>70188047
I know you're fine with your country's insignificance. Your whole country is fine with it, that's why it's insignificant. You're not a people of ambition and honor. Which is probably why you're on that side of the argument.
I don't care about the history of civil wars. I am telling you that in this country, the one that matters, the real country, when we have a civil war, Congress declares martial law, and collaborators are executed as traitors. That's us. I don't care what happens elsewhere, because the hypothetical posed took place in this country. A real country. With things at stake. You wouldn't understand.
>>70188267
>muh opinion because I am murkkan
That is really all you have?
Good one.
[protip; I have two passports and have lived in five different countries including yours]...
>>70181091
"Everybody got to die sometime, Red."
>>70182091
My parents work for the UN, and I can tell you that it's a fucking useless organisation which is plagued with corruption, incompetence, and general retardedness.
>>70188434
This.
>>70188267
You're a fucking cuck who sexually identifies with your birthplace.
Kill yourself.
>pic related
>>70186471
>I would go into the town and take out the enemy soldiers,
And what do you do when the soldiers wear civilian clothing and some of them are even children? I'm sure you'll stay noble and risk the lives of not only yourself but your mates too.
>>70188047
Dude, there's a good chance that if SHTF here, a lot of our big wig bankers are going to take refuge in your country. Take my advice on this:
LYNCH THE MOTHERFUCKERS
Don't let them get a toehold in your country. They will fuck you over.
(Pic not related. Unless you're feeding them bankers.)
>>70183528
>Half the replies came looking for the song after hearing it in Call of Duty
>>70188448
>you will never get to experience Vietnam
>your body will never be found in a foxhole clutching a jammed m-16
>>70188873
>dat projection
You really don't have anything but ad homs?
Pathetic.
Keep mistaking your feels for fact faggot, see if I care.
>>70187121
if anything it helped Vietnam being united under a single flag. Their economy is doing relatively better than it was before.
>>70190318
holy shit m8 can you not read?
>>70187121
there are mongoloids who actually believe this.
>>70184249
shit..... that's right, and I think also the Black Company series also right? by Glen Cook?
great lesser-known song about nam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUmIO_MG5IU
>>70181091
America should never invade Vietnam
If we omitt that peasants kicked superpowers ass Vietnam War popularized leftist movement like fucking hippies
>>70181091
>TFW when that's actually 7RAR, ADF.
>Americans always use this for their threads
Cunts, the lot of you.
>>70183442
has there been any pictures like that of Vietnamese soldiers exhibiting American dead in such an indignified way.
What's fucking wrong with them!?
shakes head in despair that these animals think they're human
>>70181091
Perhaps, perhaps not.
One of the chief reasons we went in was to keep french interests in NATO high command salient, and to stem a very real threat of communist influence.
They left shortly afterwards (both Vietnam and NATO integrated command), however, being the spineless fucks that they are, after getting their pants kicked, leaving us in a conflict that was little more than a conflict for colonial independence.
People tend to forget that we not only forced the NVA back over the DMZ, we also completely destroyed the Vietcong and were bombing Hanoi and all of its strategic infrastructure to dust through bombing raids. By the end of it, North Vietnam was begging for a treaty. Kissinger was there personally to sign the peace accords in Paris, which stated that the US and ARVN were the principle victors in the conflict. We shortly withdrew after a rapid troop level reduction. The result of American commitment in SE Asia spurred other nations on to kick out and police their communist elements as well.
However, the democrats in congress during Gerald R. Ford's administration completely failed to honor the treaty we had made with South Vietnam, which promised a 1 for 1 replacement policy. Every bit of ordinance expended, equipment lost was to be replaced by US manufacturers until the ARVN could rely on a domestic arms industry like Korea or Japan. Because of the duplicity of the democratic party (which started the police action in the first place, and escalated force accordingly), South Vietnam was lost to a renewed assault from the North, which also caused one of the most catastrophic refugee crisis' not seen since WWII.
tl;dr : We won the battles, lost the strategic campaign, but won the grand strategic war.
>>70182091
PABLO FUCKS FAT AMERICAN
>>70196871
>won the grand strategic war
Charlie Wilsons War
>>70196746
>why do pictures taken by american news never show veitcong disparaging dead US soldiers?
do you see how fucking stupid you are?
All this American fags say in
WAIT
*EATS BURGER*
YOU MEAN?
*FLYS AWAY WITH A EAGLE*
EXCUSE ME?
*VOTES FOR TRUMP*
YEAH THEY WANT ED A WAR
*EATS ANOTHER BURGER*
PLEASE ONE XXXL ARMY SHIT
Plebs. Your army did something wrong get over it. That comes from a german you fags
>>70181091
>>70187121
westmoreland's war of a attrition was trash and the gulf of tonkin incident never fucking happened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HODxnUrFX6k
>>70197168
EAT SHIT AND DIE YOU RANCOROUS DROOLING RETARD I DIDN'T WRITE THAT QUESTION TO WHICH YOU ANSWERED. AMERICANS ARE ALL FUCKING DEMENTED IMBECILES
>>70181625
hi there.
>>70197268
pic fucken saved
>>70197207
>oh hai guise i lost two world wars and my army has been irrelevant since the collapse of the berlin wall, but hey, i get to criticize you while mehmet sodomizes my wife and son
>>70181806
World War 2? The CIA wasn't founded until after. It was all Naval Intelligence before that.
>>70197268
Good job, anon. We all know the real flag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYDmJbFS7HY
>>70181091
The initial sentiment was good intentions. Just like we had in South Korea and this nation had an interest in seeing that communism didn't spread there. But we didn't fight it like we fought other wars. We used a flawed strategy that we still use today: Seek and destroy.
>>70181091
The US did one wrong thing in Vietnam.
Letting incompetent South Vietnamese take command.
The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle.
It is your killer instinct which must be
harnessed if you expect to survive in combat.
Your rifle is only a tool; it is a hard heart that
kills. If your killer instincts are not clean and
strong, you will hesitate at the moment of truth.
You will not kill. You will become dead Marines
and then you will be in a world of shit because
Marines are not allowed to die without permission;
The hamlet beneath us is in a free fire zone
- anybody can shoot at it at any time for any
reason. We watch the farmer run in the
shallow water. The farmer knows only that
his family needs some rice to eat. The
farmer knows only that the bullets are
tearing him apart.
It's a beautiful day. I'm so happy to be
alive and in one piece. I'm in a world of
shit, but I'm alive. And I'm not afraid.
>>70181091
>open this thread
>it ain't me starts playing
>>70197666
>lost
>still losing
tell us about those illiteracy rates throughout the south being so much higher than other places
>>70197666
>We all know the real flag
Sure thing fuckface, If America was a person it would be a huge man trying to suppress homosexual tendencies and a Schizophrenic
>>70197877
true story
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/according-to-pornhub-the-south-watches-more-gay-porn-than-an#.mfJ1n2kgln
>>70197760
the war was never meant to be won. every decision that was made was meant to take place over a long period of time, in a protracted, shitty engagement. look up hamburger hill
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragging
>>70197858
>>70197877
>>70197964
Damn, I didn't know you boys were so jealous of us or I'd have mentioned the best nation in the world sooner.
>war crimes
>war
>crimes
I hate this meme
>>70198067
nice pic.
i'm not a yankee. now go back to your bible thumping...
>adam and eve not adam and steve
>lot and his daughters not lot and his sons
>>70198067
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye5BuYf8q4o&nohtml5=False
Black Music
>>70198162
you hate that meme?
what's your problem with WMDs then? after all, they were sold to iraq by the U.S. in the first place...
skip ahead to 4 minutes and 20 seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB2fmlXvHMM
>>70198266
HA!
lest we forget
https://www.google.com/#q=black+music+stolen+by+white+artists
>>70197760
One thing? Opinion discarded.
I'm not surprised you don't know anything about Vietnam, but why not try to be less wrong?
Kennedy had our ally, the leader of South Vietnam assassinated. I'm going to count that as the first thing done wrong,
Everything LBJ did with regards to Vietnam was wrong. Including, more ground troops, draft, restricting bombing, choosing bombing targets himself over lunch in the oval office, trying to wage war to convince Minh to accept a development deal in exchange for peace. Everything LBJ did was wrong, but we'll call those 2,3,4,5 and 6.
Nixon did a lot right, but facing stiff opposition from Democrats who finally ALL decided to oppose the war once he escalated bombing of the north, Nixon force South Vietnam to accept lousy terms at the Paris Peace Accords. Call it 7.
Now, the war should have been over there, but once Nixon was forced out of office, the North invaded again, and a Democrat controlled Congress refused to honor our treaty obligations and send aid to South Vietnam. I'm calling it 8, 9 and 10. That's refusing to resume bombing as we promised. Refusing to send aid as we were obliged to do by the treaty we forced them to accept. And refusing to even send money to help support them.
>>70198266
>>70198362
>>70198237
>we wuz kangz
Makes perfect sense that you're niggers. I didn't know they let niggers into Poland, though.
>>70197207
WAIT
*IS NOT A FORTUNATE SON*
YOU MEAN?
*FLYS AWAY WITH A HUEY*
YOU MEAN TO TELL ME?
*ROASTS SOME GOOKS*
WHAT YOU SAYIN IS
*GETS SOME*
LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT
*CUTS SLOPES IN HALF*
NOW HOLD ON I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET THIS
*PROCLAIMS CHARLIE DON'T SURF*
WHAT YOU MEAN TO SAY IS
*SMELLS NAPALM IN THE MORNING*
THE REASON WE FIGHTING HERE
*SHOTGUNS SOME WEED*
THE REASON WE FLEW ALL THE WAY OVER HERE
*IS THE FIRST KID ON HIS BLOCK TO GET A CONFIRMED KILL*
WHY WE IS HERE IS
*PLAYS COWBOYS AND INDIANS*
WHY WE CAME ALL THIS WAY
*SMUGGLES HEROIN HOME IN BODY BAGS*
OR MISSION IS TO
*FIGHTS FOR "POONTANG"*
KILL SOME COMMIES?
*PEAKS ON ACID IN FIREFIGHT*
>>70198489
Ever noticed how much southern music not stolen from Blacks sounds like Celtic music? You've been disowned of your lands before in a time long forgotten by you and your kin becuase you're good for nothing but grit in a oyster. Your women run you and always did, you never knew it and you won't believe it now. For every hundred of you there is probably only a couple of Men, the rest of you are boys and will be till the day you die.
I heared they pass from father to son how to beat a woman so it dont' show.
>>70199002
>Ever noticed how much southern music not stolen from Blacks sounds like Celtic music?
That would be because the overwhelming majority of settlers in the South were from the celtic fringe. Scotland, Ulster, and Wales.
>>70197241
>why dont people take me seriously ;n;
>>70181720
USA actually funded and supported a terroristic regime in south Vietnam. They did it in Iran, Iraq, South America, south Vietnam, Ukraine, and many more.
